The Normal Christian Life

[EyezOFire]

Have any of you read this book?

It's by Watchman Nee, and it's a fantastic book on the The death and Ressurection of Jesus Christ and how the blood and the cross work on a daily basis in our lives.

[JPPT1974]

No I haven't but now you make
Me want to read that book
That does indeed sound very interesting!

[EyezOFire]

"The cross reduces the outward man (our soulish realm) to death. The cross must break all that belongs to our outward man- our opinions our ways, our cleverness, our self love, our self interests, our all. Clearly this is the Lords way"- The Release of the Spirit by Watchman Nee pg 18

[JPPT1974]

"The cross reduces the outward man (our soulish realm) to death. The cross must break all that belongs to our outward man- our opinions our ways, our cleverness, our self love, our self interests, our all. Clearly this is the Lords way"- The Release of the Spirit by Watchman Nee pg 18

Interesting my friend! Very interesting!

[Iosias]

Have any of you read this book?

It's by Watchman Nee, and it's a fantastic book on the The death and Ressurection of Jesus Christ and how the blood and the cross work on a daily basis in our lives.

I would advise caution regarding Nee's theology of sanctification, and rather recommend you read the Puritans and Reformers.

[Groce]

I havn't read that but I am looking for something news so I might pick it up. I would suggest The Cost of Disipleship
By Bonhoeffer

[Jeff123]

Have any of you read this book?

It's by Watchman Nee, and it's a fantastic book on the The death and Ressurection of Jesus Christ and how the blood and the cross work on a daily basis in our lives.

Does sound interesting!

[Jeff123]

I would advise caution regarding Nee's theology of sanctification, and rather recommend you read the Puritans and Reformers.

Which authors would you begin with?

[Flynmonkie]

Hi Jeff!:wave:
I have only read a bit of Nee, and I really never got into him. I have a few books here, but I have not read them. The name seems to bring some controversy in which I never explored.

However, I do really like Charles Stanley. You can view his site www.intouch.org.

This page will take you to his magazine archives:
http://ww2.intouch.org/site/c.7nKFISNvEqG/b.1023415/k.A061/Magazine_Archives.htm
You can view the archives (bottom left side) and get a good idea of what Stanley teaches about drawing closer to God in our walk (sanctification). One of my favorite pages is Gods Promises. In addition, you can join and study in the Charles Stanley institute for free.

[Dondi]

About Watchman Nee, I found his books to be very very meaty, but it also drew me to become more introverted. I spent a lot of time reading and ingesting his teachings that I found I got too deep into the theology and introspection of it all that I just had to back off. It was like too much sugar in the coffee. Of course, I read Nee when I was still weaning off milk. I may try again now that I've grown more in my Christian life. but Nee's books are definitely for more mature Christians.

[Ginny]

Speaking of Charles Stanley....I remember a while back he divorced (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Stanley_%28radio_evangelist%29). How was it possible he remained pastor there under the congregations rule that he not remarry? (unless he/his wife committed adultery)

Biblically speaking, of course.

[Flynmonkie]

Speaking of Charles Stanley....I remember a while back he divorced (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Stanley_%28radio_evangelist%29). How was it possible he remained pastor there under the congregations rule that he not remarry? (unless he/his wife committed adultery)
Biblically speaking, of course.

I am not sure what you are getting at but I would think if you read his work, you would understand. Namely, work out your own salvation before you meddle in someone elses.

She (his wife) filed and as Paul has instructed, if she wanted to leave, let her.

He is a perfect example of staying where God calls you to be. It makes one no less of a Christian. IN fact, Satan is working harder on those that are reaching people. I pray for those in leadership roles every day that Satans attacks will come to nothing.

Most people that hold any issue with Charles Stanley, or Gary Smalley (which if I am correct is similar to Watchman Nee) are the extremist immature Christians caught up in worldly ideas citing PsychoHeresy, which is ludicrous. There is no PsychoHeresy about what either of these men teaches.

[Ginny]

I am not sure what you are getting at but I would think if you read his work, you would understand. Namely, work out your own salvation before you meddle in someone elses.

She (his wife) filed and as Paul has instructed, if she wanted to leave, let her.

He is a perfect example of staying where God calls you to be. It makes one no less of a Christian. IN fact, Satan is working harder on those that are reaching people. I pray for those in leadership roles every day that Satans attacks will come to nothing.

Most people that hold any issue with Charles Stanley, or Gary Smalley (which if I am correct is similar to Watchman Nee) are the extremist immature Christians caught up in worldly ideas citing PsychoHeresy, which is ludicrous. There is no PsychoHeresy about what either of these men teaches.

Wow...I am not sure where you got all of that out of my three sentence post....But, okay.

As far as her leaving and you quoting Paul, I am assuming she was a non-believer. Is that correct?

I am not judging, I was asking purely from a biblical perspective how a minister of God stayed in his position while divorcing...and I asked was their failed marriage due to adultery(?) The reason they divorced has nothing to do with why he was allowed to continue to preach...I was asking in regards purely to the divorce alone.

As far as having a problem with Stanley...I've never followed his books or programming simply b/c I have not had the desire or resources were unavailable. I did not seek them out....but definitely not because I was an "extreme immature Christian."

[Flynmonkie]

I guess I “got” it out of your first reaction of bringing up something that is hurtful to another Christian. And there is NO question in my mind that this man IS a Christian.

Now as far as the SBC’s rules I have no idea but I am sure it forced them to take a look at clear scripture that states his wife filed for the divorce, she claimed they were “past reconciliation” and walked away. Is this his fault? I am sure that we will never know the intricacies of his personal life, but I find it very suspicious that you know nothing about this man but that he “might” have broken a rule. So that was my first indication in your post that clarification was needed. Christianity is not about “rule keeping” the true test is faith and love. If I worried about my salvation every time I made a mistake, Lord knows what kind of relationship I would have with God right now. And I am not so sure this man did anything that would be contradictory to what he teaches and shares about the gospel. No one, I repeat no Christian leader or not is infallible or perfect.

Secondly I did not call you an immature Christian, I said, most people that are critics of Stanley are caught up in the idea that there is no place for psychology in faith and it is absolutely nonsense. It had nothing to do with your comment. But of course you would be the only one to know your own heart in that matter. You chose to take it personally.

[Ginny]

I guess I “got” it out of your first reaction of bringing up something that is hurtful to another Christian. My intent was purely out of curiosity- hence the question I asked. Reread the post...you went in a direction that was no where near my intent.

And there is NO question in my mind that this man IS a Christian. And I don't believe I ever questioned anything in my post about his salvation. :scratch:

but I find it very suspicious that you know nothing about this man but that he “might” have broken a rule. Scripture indicates that teachers are held to a higher standard. Read my post again then read yours. Either you are having a bad day, you know this man personally, or are on the defensive b/c this strikes a nerve with you for some reason unknownst to me.

Christianity is not about “rule keeping” the true test is faith and love. There are rules in the Bible for leaders and deacons of the church. I can present those upon request. Once again, reread my post and all I do is ask a question. End of story. That's it. I.....just....asked...a...question.....

If I worried about my salvation every time I made a mistake, Lord knows what kind of relationship I would have with God right now. Why do you keep bringing salvation in to this? My post eludes nothing to your assumptions of his salvation being in question. :doh:Defensive-mode again.

Secondly I did not call you an immature Christian, I said, most people that are critics of Stanley are caught up in the idea that there is no place for psychology in faith and it is absolutely nonsense. It had nothing to do with your comment. Ahhh...but one would think so with the "tone" of your post.....hence the next sentence......

But of course you would be the only one to know your own heart in that matter. ....which insinuates otherwise....

You chose to take it personally. Just as you chose to go off with an entire page length post as if you and Charles are related. Reread my post and try to see how it was you got so far off track and in hyper-defensive mode. You pulled so much out of the air when all I did was simply....ask....a....question.

You really should not be so harsh on other posters until you know the intent of a 3 sentence post. Your replies was really off the handle.

[EyezOFire]

I would advise caution regarding Nee's theology of sanctification, and rather recommend you read the Puritans and Reformers. Everything I have read so far has been biblically sound and backed up with scripture. Personally it's where God has me, if I were to venture into another book other than the Bible it would leave me scatterbrained.

[Flynmonkie]

Ginny if you want to cause problems and argue it might be best to do it someplace else. If your intent was pure the first remark you would have made was WOW I think you might have mistaken my post. But of course as usual that is not how it was presented. You want to win -- you can - but I would be careful the prize.

[Ginny]

Ginny if you want to cause problems and argue it might be best to do it someplace else.What is the matter? This is killing me!!! :D You started it with me by your first reply!!!! . You have never reacted this way before, and I still do not know why you are now....but you have got to be kidding me if you think I won't reply to how you responded half-crazed with no reason to. This is insane.

Start by going back and reading my original post and then read your reply. It doesn't make sense how you came to your conclusions. Just....wow.

You want to win -- you can - but I would be careful the prize. Whatever that means.. a few deleted posts?

Again, take a breather and come back later and read where it all began. You will certainly find it was not with my post.

[FallingWaters]

Hi Jeff!:wave:
I have only read a bit of Nee, and I really never got into him. I have a few books here, but I have not read them. The name seems to bring some controversy in which I never explored.

However, I do really like Charles Stanley. You can view his site www.intouch.org (http://www.intouch.org).

This page will take you to his magazine archives:
http://ww2.intouch.org/site/c.7nKFISNvEqG/b.1023415/k.A061/Magazine_Archives.htm
You can view the archives (bottom left side) and get a good idea of what Stanley teaches about drawing closer to God in our walk (sanctification). One of my favorite pages is Gods Promises. In addition, you can join and study in the Charles Stanley institute for free.I like Dr. Charles Stanley. I have enjoyed him on the radio for years. And his son, Andy is one of my favorites! Love his preaching! He does NOT beat around the bush!

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