armory noises

[b*unique]

I have noticed for some time that there are some strange noises coming from the armory,loads of skeletons escaping from people closets,loads of chips falling of people shoulders,and many friendly and kind members exploited in tug a wars.

Is it worthy?

I personaly dont't like girly things,pretty pretty hings , also handbags and hotpants,miniskirts and slashed up
the waist dresses,comercial things,etc...so???
That is me and my taste,and no one is forcing me to get those items,praise them or adore them in any way.

Some people I know actualy suit those things,and look cute and fine in them,because it is in their style.

Another thing I dislike is stereotyping -for example,dark =evil,raven =bad bird,dove=good bird...etc...

I dont see any sensible reason for this at all.
God created all the animals,and He said it was good.
So there you go,raven is actualy a nice inteligent bird,
and dove is related to pigeons,also called flying rats...
and?

It is not the armory items,it is the actions of members speaking to us.
I can dress up in what is comonly perceived as angelic atire,would that make me any nicer,any kinder,any better a person?
NOPE!!!!!

People used to be prejudiced towards darkskinned people,calling them of devil..how sad is that?
Are we not better than that?

For me personaly dark is mysterious and inteligent,noble and understated,there to help but not draw any atention,I love night and especialy night sky,does it make me any more evil?

Are all redheads harlots?are all blondes stupid ?
NOOOOOO!!!!

How is lion less threatning than the claws..how is widescreen TV and porsche more noble than elf ears?

We are all different and like different things,why is it so hard to let others enjoy what they like,and be happy for them,even though we dislike the item,and find it a bit yucky?

It's all about being kind and understanding,patient and loving,is that not what armor of God is?Armor of Love?

[PorcelainHeart]

so true, If I don't like an item I leave it alone, I like mini skirts, and the cute girly things, I don't care for dark and gothic, but I don't mind if other members have it, lol just not my taste we are all different, different cultures and race, different religions.

Armor is just pixels and it doesn't determind how a person is. I wish we could all enjoy armor without the fighting, judging and bringing items down because they aren't ur taste. I know some items aren't christian like items, because more then christians come here. And some people like me are christian but like more then christ-lke things.

you said really beautiful words, I wish more people would think like that.

btw. I never heard of Ravens being evil? I think they are pretty birds, and never saw them as bad.

I don't believe animals, symbols, and rainbows are bad, its people who make them bad.

sorry if my post is confusing I can be a scattered brain.

I hope peace comes into armor soon, hate and revenge is sad, and will only bring u down in the end.

[b*unique]

Your post is spot on,not confussing at all :hug::thumbsup:

[PorcelainHeart]

I made a big deal about armor once, because I can't control my emotions. Like today I might of lost a friend, they didn't like my page and I got mad.

thanks, I try to make sense.

[WalksWithChrist]

CF armor and characters are a fun thing. I've been seeing something like a civil war being waged here the last six months or so. I don't spend a whole lot of time here checking things out, but when I am here I see people quibbling and complaining against the heavily overworked and *unpaid* staff...who are very skilled. I want to say in a clear voice to everyone here that is behaving in an un-Christlike way to fellow members to please use the wonderful armor/dollie feature provided to you *free of charge* and stop sewing discord.
Consider this a rebuke.

Kaiya said it well:
"Armor is just pixels." :)
It pains me to see people fight over pixels. This world has so many other problems right now and I'm ashamed as a Christian and as a human being to see this kind of thing happening.

Instead of flooding the armory with requests and endless complaints, why not praise them more? They do a GREAT job! :angel: It's true what us in the IT field know very well: When you do work for free, you are almost always disrespected.

[PorcelainHeart]

Good post walkswithchrist, the armor deserve alot of praise, and less complaints. They are use alot of time with armor and stuff and don't have to, we should be thankful for their time. anyways. I think everything in armor looks amazing, thank u for all your work armor team.

[chaoschristian]

'No good deed goes unpunished. Now get out the way, your blocking my shows!'

That's Czech, by the way - she's Czech.

[WalksWithChrist]

'No good deed goes unpunished. Now get out the way, your blocking my shows!'

That's Czech, by the way - she's Czech.A phrase that is very true! I still try to do the good deeds tho. Doing good is often its own reward. :)

[Starr71]

hey b*, I love you. I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but I must be honest, I wouldn't buy something I don't believe in, or don't like. I love the raven dress it was beautiful, but the description on the dress stopped me from buying it. I didn't report it to no one, I just didn't buy it. I don't mind seeing other people wearing it, it is not scary to me. But somethings like the claws and Green bodies scares me. SO I don't buy it, each to there own. No hard feeling all. I love all of yah's, Your all special, we all have are own talents, Praise God.

[Starr71]

http://www1.christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=63923&d=1139918298

[Starr71]

:groupray:

[PorcelainHeart]

that's a link to this ?

[Veiled Viper]

CF armor and characters are a fun thing. I've been seeing something like a civil war being waged here the last six months or so. I don't spend a whole lot of time here checking things out, but when I am here I see people quibbling and complaining against the heavily overworked and *unpaid* staff...who are very skilled. I want to say in a clear voice to everyone here that is behaving in an un-Christlike way to fellow members to please use the wonderful armor/dollie feature provided to you *free of charge* and stop sewing discord.
Consider this a rebuke.

Kaiya said it well:
"Armor is just pixels." :)
It pains me to see people fight over pixels. This world has so many other problems right now and I'm ashamed as a Christian and as a human being to see this kind of thing happening.

Instead of flooding the armory with requests and endless complaints, why not praise them more? They do a GREAT job! :angel: It's true what us in the IT field know very well: When you do work for free, you are almost always disrespected.Thank you so much!:hug:
We armory workers do dedicate many hours a day to this labor of love called the armory.
I wish we did get paid because I spend way more time than I should working in the armory,when I should be out trying to earn real money.
We do work very hard to bring you the best quality character items our little pixel-pushing fingers can design.So,it is very disheartening,(to say the least) to come online everyday to find all the complaining,whining,and division over the items that we made for everyone to enjoy.
I hope all this bickering ends soon.

Thanks to those of you who do support and appreciate what we do here for you.We do it for ourselves,too.
We are on the design team because we love creating items for our little characters.
We love it when we see people enjoying and displaying our work.

:)

[blueanjel]

Thank you so much!:hug:
We armory workers do dedicate many hours a day to this labor of love called the armory.
I wish we did get paid because I spend way more time than I should working in the armory,when I should be out trying to earn real money.
We do work very hard to bring you the best quality character items our little pixel-pushing fingers can design.So,it is very disheartening,(to say the least) to come online everyday to find all the complaining,whining,and division over the items that we made for everyone to enjoy.
I hope all this bickering ends soon.

Thanks to those of you who do support and appreciate what we do here for you.We do it for ourselves,too.
We are on the design team because we love creating items for our little characters.
We love it when we see people enjoying and displaying our work.

:)
:wave: knight

i do not think anyone has ever said that the work that the armory does is not appreciated or that it is not good quality...i do not think that has ever been the issue at all...

i think the only problem that some have had, including myself, is some particular items that are going into the christian forum armory and the spiritual nature of them...

i think that christians here have a right to speak up when they do not believe certain items are a good reflection upon the One they worship and the One that this forum is named after, the Lord Jesus Christ that died for us...

it is very painful to some christians to see dark angels, which by the way are nothing but demons, coming into the christian forums armory...also some of the weapons, such as the wolverine claws i am wearing, are nothing more then murder weapons and should have no place on the christian forums characters, regardless of how popular they are with the world...

christians are advised by Jesus Christ to be 'no part' of the world and it's ways but to be a light to the world...

i am amazed that i should have to be explaining basic things like this to anyone at christian forums and that it is not common knowledge and practice here to examine the spiritual nature of items and that the christian conscience is not regarded more then it is here...

i am totally amazed at the reactions and words of the ones here that say that they love Christ and yet attack other christians that do not agree with their liberal views without any regard for their conscience and feelings on this

i know that i will be attacked for every word i have said here and that every word will be twisted and turned, i may even be banned or the thread closed simply because i stood up for the christian conscience

God bless you and yours and may God guide you in all of your decision making here :prayer:

[Veiled Viper]

:wave: knight

i do not think anyone has ever said that the work that the armory does is not appreciated or that it is not good quality...i do not think that has ever been the issue at all...

i think the only problem that some have had, including myself, is some particular items that are going into the christian forum armory and the spiritual nature of them...

i think that christians here have a right to speak up when they do not believe certain items are a good reflection upon the One they worship and the One that this forum is named after, the Lord Jesus Christ that died for us...

it is very painful to some christians to see dark angels, which by the way are nothing but demons, coming into the christian forums armory...also some of the weapons, such as the wolverine claws i am wearing, are nothing more then murder weapons and should have no place on the christian forums characters, regardless of how popular they are with the world...

christians are advised by Jesus Christ to be 'no part' of the world and it's ways but to be a light to the world...

i am amazed that i should have to be explaining basic things like this to anyone at christian forums and that it is not common knowledge and practice here to examine the spiritual nature of items and that the christian conscience is not regarded more then it is here...

i am totally amazed at the reactions and words of the ones here that say that they love Christ and yet attack other christians that do not agree with their liberal views without any regard for their conscience and feelings on this

i know that i will be attacked for every word i have said here and that every word will be twisted and turned, i may even be banned or the thread closed simply because i stood up for the christian conscience

God bless you and yours and may God guide you in all of your decision making here :prayer:
I think you and some others here need to just lighten up a bit.
You take these characters way too seriously.
We're just trying to have fun here,and you're spoiling it.:P

[ravenscape]

This thread is becoming very painful for me to read and keep up with. One of the things that I find most difficult about participating on CF is when I read posts where people seem to be pointing at one another and questioning the depth and correctness of one another's faith, where there's a palpable implication that some Christians aren't Christian enough.

Which groups(s) of Christians should get veto power on what the armory considers? Which group(s) of Christians should have priority on their requests?

The way Erwin has set up the armory, no one group has veto power, unless you count Erwin himself. He seldom uses that veto, and usually uses it to end strife and dispute among Christians about armory items. No one is completey satisfied, but the decision is made.

I'm glad he's there to make the tough calls. As a non-Christian member of CF I've been reading loud and clear that some CF members must question whether I'm qualified to decide what to have for breakfast, much less which items to accept and which items to reject. Maybe I could understand the concerns if the decisions were solely mine. But they're not. It has to be a consensus decision, and if not, then the staff liaison breaks the tie. If we are still unsure, then Erwin is the next stop and his decision sets precedent for the future.

There has been a lot of concern about the Wolverine Claws. As a result, the armory team temporarily removed the items from the listing and asked Erwin if we should delete them permanently. He said to keep them. So we did. Continuing to argue about them here in this forum does no good whatsoever. Erwin seldom even looks in on these fora. He is much more likely to see the concerns in the Support fora.

I will continue to do my volunteer job here in the armory to the best of my ability as long as both Erwin will have me and I have it in me to continue. When either of those conditions change, then I'll be passing the paintbrush to another member of the design team, with my best wishes that their watch is a quiet and enjoyable one.

I'm pretty sure I said this before but it bears repeating. The armory is in part meant to be a celebration of self-expression and diversity. We strive to have at least one or two items that will please each member of CF, even though they may not feel their full taste is represented here.

Blessings and wishes for peace among us all.

[PorcelainHeart]

edited, keeping my silence.

[Protinus]

edited, keeping my silence.
I am quite surprised by this thread. I think that the armorers should be praised rather than constantly bombarded with veiled insinuations as to the artistry and projected "symbology" of the items they make. This site is all about uniting Christians and sharing our world with Non-Christians. Therefore, who would not admit that there are many diverse requests that are made of the armorers for sake of posters' unique identities!! Gob Bless them all for having to scrutinize each request according to the rules!!

I have not seen any item that is offensive to me or any of my friends here at CF!! The "noises" seem to come from a select few individuals.

I think the armors do an incredible job of making such a massive site individualized for each poster...simply amazing with the amount of requests that they get and the rules that they have to subscribe to!!! GOOD JOB ARMORERS AND STAFF!!

[PorcelainHeart]

I have no problem with any of the items, but I guess its hard to please everyone, not everyone will be happy with what the armor team does. I love how we have all types of items for our character. Not everyone will have the same taste, We are all different, and being different is good. Not everyone likes the anime characters I like, or the same music, i try to accept it. I don't like gothic and dark stuff but its ok if others like it. done with my sense rambling.

[Protinus]

Kaiya and others: I think it is actually a pretty unique thing that the armorers are doing and I would like to see an equivalent staff and service on any other website, non-Christian or not, that provide such a unique and nuanced approach to making each person feel special.

[blueanjel]

I think you and some others here need to just lighten up a bit.
You take these characters way too seriously.
We're just trying to having fun here,and you're spoiling it.:P
knight,

it is not the characters i take seriously but the reflection that they are of Christ and christians in a Godless world...

i am all for fun just not at the expensive of the name of Christ

sorry if these concerns spoil your fun...mine was ruined here a long time ago because of the meanies here :( and these things in the armory that hurt me :(

[Protinus]

I think we need to constantly change are perceptions in this world so they don't "hurt" us. We are are in control of these perceptions.

When an overall impression of the the armory (by others) as a service is outstanding on all levels, I would tend to alter my perception of why it would be so distracting to me or why I would focus on things in the armory's services that "hurt" me. I have never encountered anything but encouraging words from the armory and individuals that love what they do to serve others. I would focus on these "affirming" things.

[BLUEEYEANGEL]

As I post this, I ask God to lead me and give me the right words to say.
First of all I am heart broking about a lot of things I have seen here at christian forums.
This month will be a year for my presents here, I have found CF to be a blessing in my spirtural walk.
I thank God for all you I have came to love and thank you all.

*B* hun, you are right, I have seen the things you are speaking of, and it is non christian behaviour.
This is a christian forum and we all should respect this.
There is things going on here I do not approve of and pray that God will bind the hand of the enemy to stop this.


I do not agree with somethings that are being made in the armor, I have held back and not said anything,.
This is wrong for me to do so.
God wants me to stand for what is right , by not doing so , I am as quilty as the one that is coming as wolfs in sheeps clothing.
God has spoke to me and I have to take a stand.
If we don't take a stand we will fall for anything.

I have a website that leads ppl to here and also videos, and on my messanger profiles , my faviorte links.
Do you think I want anyone to click on that to come and check this place out and see anyone with cruger claws, dark angels,swords that look demonic, hey it seems that demonic spirits are wanting to take over.
We have to be very carefull, what we will stand for, i am telling you all there is folks slipping off into hell every day for thinking this is ok and that is ok.
Lets all know , being lead by God what is right and what is wrong.

I know the armor team has a lot on them and I am greatfull for all the hard work and time here at CF
we need to be in prayer they always make the right decission.
It can be a battle for all the PMs and the load they carry here at CF.
Also just remember armor team to pray over what goes out to be presented by us christian.

I have notice there is jealous among some here and satan has took this for a ride loving every moment of it.
Blueanjel, your work you do with the characters
are beautifull and God has blessed you with a gift therefore do not be discouraged and we all need to work together, not against one another.

I have seen the things you made in the fashion show and was very good work. therefore it should have been used.

I under stand your dressing as you are right now
If they make this we should wear it.

About the dove I wanted blueanjel requested
what was the deal with that , why can it not be copy and done, just wondering.

I say this with love and want all to be in one of accord, I love you all in Jesus name.:hug:

[Rep Daddy]

Just some thoughts from an unlikely source, me.

Unlikely because I choose not to use a CF character at present. No statement being made, just my preference. Unlikely because the two items I suggested got turned down: [1] a toe tag for a depravity awareness item; and [2] a pet buzzard, darn those beaks. Hey, I have weird tastes.

That said, I think the armory does an awesome job -- awesome! the variety of items reflects the diversity of participants at CF. Having served for quite some time on the staff side this discussion reminds me of the ones we have on avatars, signatures, etc. Making decisions of what to allow and what to exclude is not always easy and someone has to make the decision.

If an item is not your cup of tea, don't get it and display it. Allow others to have differing tastes.

That's what this site it about, is it not?

And Ravenscape. I know you could not make a Pet Buzzard work as a CF Pet, SOOOOOO. I bought my own Pet Buzzard... see my signature.

===

Keep up the good work. Thank you to all who have the artistic ability that eluded me.

Shalom

drstevej
CF Director of Protestant Affairs

[ravenscape]

Thanks for the kind words Dr. Steve!

Little Buzz is such sweety. My brother has a couple of Yorkies. They're not pets. They're little people who go off to the office with him every day.

Maybe one day we'll figure out how to fit a buzzard beak into the pet space :D

[BLUEEYEANGEL]

Just some thoughts from an unlikely source, me.

Unlikely because I choose not to use a CF character at present. No statement being made, just my preference. Unlikely because the two items I suggested got turned down: [1] a toe tag for a depravity awareness item; and [2] a pet buzzard, darn those beaks. Hey, I have weird tastes.

That said, I think the armory does an awesome job -- awesome! the variety of items reflects the diversity of participants at CF. Having served for quite some time on the staff side this discussion reminds me of the ones we have on avatars, signatures, etc. Making decisions of what to allow and what to exclude is not always easy and someone has to make the decision.

If an item is not your cup of tea, don't get it and display it. Allow others to have differing tastes.

That's what this site it about, is it not?

And Ravenscape. I know you could not make a Pet Buzzard work as a CF Pet, SOOOOOO. I bought my own Pet Buzzard... see my signature.

===

Keep up the good work. Thank you to all who have the artistic ability that eluded me.

Shalom

drstevej
CF Director of Protestant Affairs yes hun, I thank the armor team is doin a good job, it is just somethings when we have quest that I invite ...
hoping to join... I worry about what they may see and be offend, this is what i am saying.
Plus I want no part of any darkness .
Do you see my point sweetie, not meaning any unkind words to no one, please know this

[Rep Daddy]

yes hun, I thank the armor team is doin a good job, it is just somethings when we have quest that I invite ...
hoping to join... I worry about what they may see and be offend, this is what i am saying.
Plus I want no part of any darkness .
Do you see my point sweetie, not meaning any unkind words to no one, please know this

Ah, a fellow Southerner!

I do see your point but I find that what offends one does not offend all. And if we remove everything that offends some CF would not be what the vision of CF states it seeks to be.

Now that does not mean that anything goes, but it does mean that there will be aspects of CF you and I do not like.

My approach (I have been a non-denominational pastor for 35 years) is to have strong convictions but hold them graciously and allow others to have strong convictions that do not match my own.

So within the boundaries that the owner establishes, CF welcomes diversity (in beliefs and aesthetics).

my 2 cents.
Steve

[Veiled Viper]

yes hun, I thank the armor team is doin a good job, it is just somethings when we have quest that I invite ...
hoping to join... I worry about what they may see and be offend, this is what i am saying.
Plus I want no part of any darkness .
Do you see my point sweetie, not meaning any unkind words to no one, please know this
Do you turn away people from your church if they are dressed too "dark" or "un-Christian-like"?
We accept everyone into our church and make them feel welcomed.

[Starr71]

I will be praying for all this, this is very upsetting and very painful to read, So many of my dear friends are being hurt, I love you all as Christ does. We need to learn how to act and love like Christ does.

Dear Heavenly Father,
Guide us and strength us, hold us close to you, Use us to do your will, Take off the blinders of people that can't see what is really going on here, Guide us to your truths. For you are the Way the Truth and light.
I pray this In Jesus Holy Name, Amen.

I plead the Blood of Jesus over this Matter.

[Veiled Viper]

*wonders who the blind ones are

[ravenscape]

I will gladly join in prayers for peace and understanding.

[chaoschristian]

I will gladly join in prayers for peace and understanding.

And I will gladly join with you in those prayers for peace and understanding.

The human heart is so easily and quickly hardened. My first and last prayer of each day is 'Lord, soften my heart.'

[Starr71]

*wonders who the blind ones are
All of us, anyone that can't see.

God is LOVE, Christ is PURE LOVE. Is this LOVE when people are fighting, and I don't like seeing all my friends in so much pain.

I don't even enjoy coming on here any more. I love everyone, I think of everyone as friends.

[Starr71]

I will gladly join in prayers for peace and understanding.
Thanks Raven, the more prayers the better.

[BLUEEYEANGEL]

Do you turn away people from your church if they are dressed too "dark" or "un-Christian-like"?
We accept everyone into our church and make them feel welcomed.
yes sweetie, I would into a building where we worship, and pray for God to protect us from the wilds of.
the devil.
I pray all the time God send the lost , that they may be saved , yes I would welcome this......
But this is a PC, internet, I am not afraid of this by no means, The battle is already been won, Jesus will get the Glory. I just am concerned when ppl come in that they don't see any evil.
That we are not blinded by the enemy.

Lets not let this slide in here un aware
all I want for us to see this b4 it gets to out of hand.

[Protinus]

It is in your name we pray oh Lord, help us to value and trust those that serve us and let us help them fulfill their roles and duties. We extend this attitude to all those in our world who are behind the scenes and striving to make our lives more bearable and pleasant. So as we strive to reflect your Grace on earth, let us remember our role in human kindness shown to one another.
Amen.:crossrc:

[BLUEEYEANGEL]

And I will gladly join with you in those prayers for peace and understanding.

The human heart is so easily and quickly hardened. My first and last prayer of each day is 'Lord, soften my heart.'
thanks brother:hug:

[BLUEEYEANGEL]

I will gladly join in prayers for peace and understanding.
Thanks raven,
and for all the work you put into CF , you will be blessed for all you do in the name of Jesus:hug:

[angelwannabe]

As I post this, I ask God to lead me and give me the right words to say.
First of all I am heart broking about a lot of things I have seen here at christian forums.
This month will be a year for my presents here, I have found CF to be a blessing in my spitural walk.
I thank God for all you I have came to love and thank G you all.

*B* hun, you are right, I have seen the things you are speaking of, and it is non christian behaviour.
This is a christian forum and we all should respect this.
There is things going on here I do not approve of and pray that God will bind the hand of the enemy to stop this.


I do not agree with somethings that are being made in the armor, I have held back and not said anything,.
This is wrong for me to do so.
God wants me to stand for what is right , by not doing so , I am as quilty as the one that is coming as wolfs in sheeps clothing.
God has spoke to me and I have to take a stand.
If we don't take a stand we will fall for anything.

I have a website that leads ppl to here and also videos, and on my messanger profiles , my faviorte links.
Do you think I want anyone to click on that to come and check this place out and see anyone with cruger claws, dark angels,swords that look demonic, hey it seems that demonic spirits are wanting to take over.
We have to be very carefull, what we will stand for, i am telling you all there is folks slipping off into hell every day for thinking this is ok and that is ok.
Lets all know , being lead by God what is right and what is wrong.

I know the armor team has a lot on them and I am greatfull for all the hard work and time here at CF
we need to be in prayer they always make the right decission.
It can be a battle for all the PMs and the load they carry here at CF.
Also just remember armor team to pray over what goes out to be presented by us christian.

I have notice there is jealous among some here and satan has took this for a ride loving every moment of it.
Blueanjel, your work you do with the characters
are beautifull and God has blessed you with a gift therefore do not be discouraged and we all need to work together, not against one another.

I have seen the things you made in the fashion show and was very good work. therefore it should have been used.

I under stand your dressing as you are right now
If they make this we should wear it.

About the dove I wanted blueanjel requested
what was the deal with that , why can it not be copy and done, just wondering.

I say this with love and want all to be in one of accord, I love you all in Jesus name.:hug: i agree blue. i do not like or agree with some of the items.it should all be light or the way we would dress on the street.or play

[BLUEEYEANGEL]

Do you turn away people from your church if they are dressed too "dark" or "un-Christian-like"?
We accept everyone into our church and make them feel welcomed.
we do to hun, yea you can see me say this in your post you replyed:thumbsup:

[BLUEEYEANGEL]

Ah, a fellow Southerner!

I do see your point but I find that what offends one does not offend all. And if we remove everything that offends some CF would not be what the vision of CF states it seeks to be.

Now that does not mean that anything goes, but it does mean that there will be aspects of CF you and I do not like.

My approach (I have been a non-denominational pastor for 35 years) is to have strong convictions but hold them graciously and allow others to have strong convictions that do not match my own.

So within the boundaries that the owner establishes, CF welcomes diversity (in beliefs and aesthetics).

my 2 cents.
Steve
Thanks Steve,
But you want stand for anything right ,?
If you felt strongly about something, would you not take a stand?
Thats all i am doing

If we don't stand for something , we will fall for anything.

[ravenscape]

Thanks Steve,
But you want stand for anything right ,?
If you felt strongly about something, would you not take a stand?
Thats all i am doing

If we don't stand for something , we will fall for anything.

You must not know Dr. Steve very well if you have to ask that question. I've seen very few members of CF take a stand as effectively as he has.

[Miracle_Storm]

I just want to say in my church they do not turn people away for the way you look, never have I seen this happen. I have seen people in dreadlocks, pants hanging down very low. I walk in there in my flare out jeans and a top. Do you expect me to wear a dress down to my ankles 'make sure your socks don't show':D :sorry: Even at some very low times in my life, I have went to church looking like a dog, but seeking the Lord for help and guidance. I don't know what I would have thought if they wouldv'e turned me away:eek:
My biological dad was turned away from a church once when I was young-the reason, he wasn't owning up to his obligation and paying for me.
Who can say that peircing your ears is okay, but don't you dare peirce your eyebrow or your nose. Who is to judge these matters. I understand that people want to stand up for what is right. But these are just made up character dolls, that as far as I know do not represent Christ. We as Christians represent Christ! I don't want to see demonic things entered into the armory, but what do you say is demonic? Is a witch demonic and wouldn't a fairy wand be magical and if it's magical isn't that considered witchcraft?
What I am seeing here is people that do not get their perky requests filled getting angry and even mentioned that people not dressed appropriatly, not being aloud to come into the Church
Who did Jesus hang around with when He was here? Was it not sinners? Prostitutes?
One thing I do know is that my Father in heaven would never kick me out of a church, when I am seeking Him.
I understand concern to some degree and there may even be some of these pixels that I find discouraging, but these are dolls and do not represent Christ. We, as Christians united as one body through Christ represent Him.
There is a place where I think the lines should be drawn though, I don't think that the characters should be made to look demonic, but we will see and I will be praying as I hope all of you will:groupray:
God bless.
we do to hun, yea you can see me say this in your post you replyed:thumbsup:

[Rose D.]

All I can say is that the strife here saddens me.. :cry: :( I pray for a return of peace and harmony. :groupray:

[ravenscape]

All I can say is that the strife here saddens me.. :cry: :( I pray for a return of peace and harmony. :groupray:

Amen. :groupray:

[seebs]

Thanks Steve,
But you want stand for anything right ,?

I can't parse this.

I can say, having been on the other end of drstevej taking a stand, that I have no doubts at all that he can take a stand when it is called for.


If you felt strongly about something, would you not take a stand?
Thats all i am doing

And others, who also feel strongly, are also taking stands.

If we don't stand for something , we will fall for anything.

Wonderful sound bite.

That said, I think it's important to distinguish between taking a stand in terms of your own behaviors and demanding that other people comply.

[BLUEEYEANGEL]

All I can say is that the strife here saddens me.. :cry: :( I pray for a return of peace and harmony. :groupray:
thanks Rose , I thank you all for the prayers,

[Miracle_Storm]

:sigh: :groupray:
All I can say is that the strife here saddens me.. :cry: :( I pray for a return of peace and harmony. :groupray:

[Starr71]

All I can say is that the strife here saddens me.. :cry: :( I pray for a return of peace and harmony. :groupray:
:bow: :groupray: Thank you all that pray for this matter.:bow: :groupray:

[Starr71]

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"Jesus looked at them and said,
'With man this is impossible,
but not with God;
all things are possible with God.'"
Mark 10:27
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[StMatthew2429]

well..Id like to share my 2 cents.

I can see both sides of the debate. Obviously, this is a Christian based forums. Since its on the internet, all types of people including non-christians are going to be involved. thats just the way these forums are.

The fact is that yes, some of the items may not be pro Christian...and in fact may actually be anti God if you want to be technical... but I think it goes to a certain line that doesnt get crossed. In my honest opinion. Oh, there have been things I think shouldnt be allowed like Harry Potter or witchcraft, devil demonic in your face things...but thats why there is regulation.

CF is a BIG forum with LOTS of different people... with a wide range of views, faiths, and cultures. (check out the debate forums! lol) I personally feel blessed to even have a computer, not letting on the internet and a fellowship with so many unique individuals on a place such as CF.

Its a blessing! A privilege! Not a right!

CF is one of a kind. Its very special. What makes it that way are everyone contributing the way they do. EVERYONE, staff members, mods..hindus...christians...whatever...

The characters are fun. The fact that they are called armor is part of the fun right? (maybe Im wrong on this?) There are gonna be people that disagree with things, myself included. In the end, if you dont like something, be resonable and try to see things from all sides. Something like CF armor in the bounds that they have been kept seems resonable. If you dont like it, and its an option, dont choose it!

From a christian standpoint, I personally wouldnt choose certain articles. Thats me! Does it mean I dont respect what others would choose? NO because these things dont merit your faith. Or shouldnt at least. (I mean how deep are you gonna go???) Now this is in a certain frame and guidlines. There are some things I think are NOT christian and even anti-christian, but this entire site has larger standards they have to deal with. If you let a wide diversity of people come here and participate, then by logic and resonable responsability you cant completely single and isolate a group out from the entertainment available. Which in the end IS regulated up to a point, and entertainment and fun is what the CF characters are all about! In my honest opinion.

My halo (little humor) goes off to the artists that run the show. You all do a wonderful job! You truly make CF an even more wonderful place. Keep up the great work!

Lets all try to realize and then remember that this place is a blessing and a privilege for everyone!!!

GOD BLESS!!!!

[bill'swife]

All I can say is that the strife here saddens me.. :cry: :( I pray for a return of peace and harmony. :groupray:
me too...:groupray: :prayer:

[b*unique]

hey b*, I love you. I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but I must be honest, I wouldn't buy something I don't believe in, or don't like. I love the raven dress it was beautiful, but the description on the dress stopped me from buying it. I didn't report it to no one, I just didn't buy it. I don't mind seeing other people wearing it, it is not scary to me. But somethings like the claws and Green bodies scares me. SO I don't buy it, each to there own. No hard feeling all. I love all of yah's, Your all special, we all have are own talents, Praise God.

aawww Starr:hug:
You dont upset me at all
I understand

I asked for raven dress as i was fed up with the image
people have of angels,as blond ,white skinned and sort of passive

i wanted a representation of angel warrior -not a killer,but protector,quiet,elusive and passionate about
the job of protecting people from all bad

the description was dark and inteligent-how is that offensive?

in that case I must be very offensive;):P

i believe we must look inside ,not on the outside,even bible warns us,that bad angel is somehow beautiful and dressed in light...and we need to look at the fruit rather than looks-am I wrong?

dark and intelligent describes the sadnes and verve i feel over the state of this world,sadnes fuels my drive to fight,to do my little bit

i also called the items raven for 2 reasons,1:it somehow describes a friend of mine,and i wanted it to be 'her' item,second,i love ravens and it sadens me when people associate them with death and evil

it is all about preconceptions,about need to see peoples hearts rather than clothes,to see people as their are,rather as they want to be perceived:hug: :hug:

I will always fight for the black sheep ^_^

[sister_maynard]

I only see one party dress with "raven" in the name- what other things are there?

[ravenscape]

I only see one party dress with "raven" in the name- what other things are there?

The names were changed after someone complained last night. I'm not sure why the concern went so long without being expressed, but once it was raised it was easy enough to address.

The hard part was -- to please one (and as it turned out, more than one), another one was hurt.

[Miracle Storm]

I am just curious why that was an issue of more than one item being named raven, when your screenname is ravenscape?
Am I like totally off base here? :confused:

[sister_maynard]

I think a friend of mine had some "raven" items on her wish list- if it's not too much bother, would you mind telling me where a list of which things changed names might be?

[joyshirley]

This thread is becoming very painful for me to read and keep up with. One of the things that I find most difficult about participating on CF is when I read posts where people seem to be pointing at one another and questioning the depth and correctness of one another's faith, where there's a palpable implication that some Christians aren't Christian enough.

Which groups(s) of Christians should get veto power on what the armory considers? Which group(s) of Christians should have priority on their requests?

The way Erwin has set up the armory, no one group has veto power, unless you count Erwin himself. He seldom uses that veto, and usually uses it to end strife and dispute among Christians about armory items. No one is completey satisfied, but the decision is made.

I'm glad he's there to make the tough calls. As a non-Christian member of CF I've been reading loud and clear that some CF members must question whether I'm qualified to decide what to have for breakfast, much less which items to accept and which items to reject. Maybe I could understand the concerns if the decisions were solely mine. But they're not. It has to be a consensus decision, and if not, then the staff liaison breaks the tie. If we are still unsure, then Erwin is the next stop and his decision sets precedent for the future.

There has been a lot of concern about the Wolverine Claws. As a result, the armory team temporarily removed the items from the listing and asked Erwin if we should delete them permanently. He said to keep them. So we did. Continuing to argue about them here in this forum does no good whatsoever. Erwin seldom even looks in on these fora. He is much more likely to see the concerns in the Support fora.

I will continue to do my volunteer job here in the armory to the best of my ability as long as both Erwin will have me and I have it in me to continue. When either of those conditions change, then I'll be passing the paintbrush to another member of the design team, with my best wishes that their watch is a quiet and enjoyable one.

I'm pretty sure I said this before but it bears repeating. The armory is in part meant to be a celebration of self-expression and diversity. We strive to have at least one or two items that will please each member of CF, even though they may not feel their full taste is represented here.

Blessings and wishes for peace among us all.

Dear ravenscape

I've just read this entire thread and your post here is the one which prompts me to reply. I agree with your first paragraph.....I also find that disturbing and disheartening. And I want you to know that I hadn't even noticed that you are not a Christian and if I had, it would not have made one iota of difference to the way I view you, which is as a woman of intelligence and wonderful artistic ability, dedicated to serving CF in your role of Armory Team Head. Know that I and so many others are appreciative of your artistic skills and your great work so far in the role. I'm glad, too, that you have Erwin as a backup to make the final call and I commend you and all the team on the exemplary work done. :hug:

PS Another poster mentioned that the armory clothes should all be light and the sort we would wear each day or in play. Well, I love long, flowing gowns and since my wardrobe here is currently devoid of any such garment, :D I like to dress my character in long gowns. That reflects my real taste in clothing, even if I don't actually dress that way each day here at home. :D

I trust the team and Erwin to make the appropriate call on any given item. God bless you all :hug:

[blueanjel]

just would like to clear this up and hopefully it will be understood by all...

the problem with the raven dress was never about the name raven or the raven bird or the fact that the raven is black...

the whole problem with it was the 'description' of it not the name of it...

the description was:

'not your stereotypical angel, be dark, intelligent, and mysterious'

now this is the problem that i have with this description...

firstly, a stereotypical angel is a holy angel

secondly, the fact that this dark, not stereotypical angel has the adjective 'intelligent' attached to it, implies that this dark angel is supposedly more 'intelligent' then the stereotypical angel that is the holy angels


the name of the dress did not need a change at all...it was the 'description' that implied that the dark angel was more 'intelligent'

now this was very offensive to me that this would be allowed to be said here at the christian forums...

i agree that dark angels are more mysterious, but i do not think that they could be said to be more intelligent

if it had read...

'not your stereotypical angel, be dark and mysterious'

then yes, i agree that is a ok description to apply to it, just leave out the part about 'intelligence' having anything to do with it, as i think the stereotypical angel (a holy angel) could be said to be as or more intelligent...

does this clear this up any, as to why this was offensive?

[ravenscape]

Thank you everyone for your input into the matter of the armor ensemble formerly known as the Dark Angel set. They are now called the Eventide Angel set, for those who are looking for them.

[b*unique]

Oh...I am sorry that the way i worded it upset you,why did you not ask what it means before comming to such weird assumptions?

'not your stereotypical angel, be dark, intelligent, and mysterious'


1:a tribute to ravenscape-this is how I see her

2:it does not imply being mor eintelligent,or better in any way

this is how it reads: not your stereotypical angel (comma)-this was to adress the issue i have with preconceptions,i think that is self explanatory,if not,i wil elaborate:hug:

then comes the description of the attitude for this dress,-be dark,mysterious and intelligent

it does not imply in any way that stereotypical angels are not intelligent

i spent my whole life being a black sheep by choice,
and this was just a little tribute to people like me,people i can identify with

it does not mean i dislike or think less of others,oh no,no way


i have no idea why people decided that dark hair or dark wings are somehow unsuitable for angels,i dont see it in the bible,and i don't see any danger in it

i would be more suspicious of very beautiful and dressed in light being ,as the bible warns about this one for sure
;)

again,it is the fruit,not the package


about armory items

how is widescreen TV spritual?
it is comercial and we all know about how bad the media are for spirituality
what about computer?Internet?we know how much evil
goes on....
what about fashion items-vanity and fashion slavery comes to mind


seeeeee...everything can be seen as somehow harmful

people dont realise those things are neutral,it is the peoples attitude,actions behind what counts

[b*unique]

Oh Raven you never hurt me and I understand fully why you wanted to make others comfortable,I am happy with it .

It was a message for you in there you got,that counts;)

I tried to fight a reall issue,and actualy,I had taken action against a member who dresses as saint,saint robes,and halo...but the action of this member were not so saintly...this is exactly what the problem is,this is the reall issue,
it cost me,but actualy people not so saintly looking helped me through.

It is the actions,not the looks:hug:

[sister_maynard]

So, if the issue was with the "intelligence" bit, is there going to be room for negotiation about the name? I think that a tribute to the talented armory head is a really sweet gesture.

[b*unique]

I would like this thread to be closed,as instead of understanding and praise for armory team,it was used for personal issues.

Thank you.