Should ECUSA give money to pro-choice causes?

[gtsecc]

http://www.standfirminfaith.com/mt/archives/000167.html
Forget my posts on which way the priest faces, how about "Tarts for Choice?"

http://www.standfirminfaith.com/mt/archives/images/Tarts.jpg

[gtsecc]

http://www.standfirminfaith.com/mt/archives/images/ecusa_march.jpg

[No Swansong]

http://www.standfirminfaith.com/mt/archives/images/ecusa_march.jpg




Oh my I can't wait to lurk on this one.

[gtsecc]

Can ECUSA say no to abortions?
Are we not even clear on that issue?
Anyone?
Are we in a Chruch that blesses abortions or not?

[DeoJuvante]

Can ECUSA say no to abortions?
Are we not even clear on that issue?
Anyone?
Are we in a Chruch that blesses abortions or not?
Since when was that a clear-cut issue? Is that the sort of issue that anyone would want to unite the church anyway?

[gtsecc]

Since when was that a clear-cut issue? Is that the sort of issue that anyone would want to unite the church anyway?
Since 33AD

[DeoJuvante]

Since 33AD

Hmmm, 33AD. Something happened in that year... something important... if I could just remember what it was... oh, yes... this religious guy, seemed important, he was being nailed to a tree and what did he say?... what was it?... now I remember: 'damned are the terminators of pregnancy, now and forever.'

No wait, that's not right, surely.

[gtsecc]

Didache
Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Grave Sin Forbidden. And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born. You shall not covet the things of your neighbor, you shall not swear, you shall not bear false witness, you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued, for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed. You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbor. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.

[Aymn27]

Can ECUSA say no to abortions?
Are we not even clear on that issue?
Anyone?
Are we in a Chruch that blesses abortions or not?
According to Bishop Jefforts Schori, "As a church we have got to be better self-differentiated. We have to decide what it is we are going to stand for and be clear about it, and then say 'these are the consequences.' Yes, Anglicans don't much like to do that, but we do do it about some things: We have over the years said we don't believe in the death penalty. We have said that we don't believe that abortion is a good choice, but that it needs to be available. We stand up over and over again for social justice issues in the government. So we're able to be clear on some things even when there is a variety of opinion across the church."

[gtsecc]

If I sleep with my GF and she gets pregnant, and we don't feel like having a kid right now, can I have the keys to the church van to drive to the clinic?

[Aymn27]

If I sleep with my GF and she gets pregnant, and we don't feel like having a kid right now, can I have the keys to the church van to drive to the clinic?
the only way you can't is if the fetus is a convicted murder, rapist, terrorist, etc - THEN we become "pro-life"...strange days indeed...

[higgs2]

If I sleep with my GF and she gets pregnant, and we don't feel like having a kid right now, can I have the keys to the church van to drive to the clinic?
I'm sorry this is hurting you so much, Glen.

[TomUK]

The simple answer to the OP is no.
The complicated answer to the OP is no.

'nuff said.

[RadixLecti]

COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Church still pro-abortion

By Hans Zeiger
VirtueOnline Correspondent
www.virtueonline.org

COLUMBUS, OHIO (6/19/06)-The 75th General Convention of the Episcopal Church appears poised to reject a measure that would remove the denomination from membership in a pro-abortion lobby. The Social and Urban Affairs Committee displayed no sign of giving the resolution a floor hearing after the Diocese of Tennessee called on the Executive Council to end its ties with the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.

"I am here to question the Episcopal Church's decision," the Rev. D. Lorne Coyle of the Diocese of Central Florida, who proposed resolution, number D063, told the committee. Coyle says that the decision of the Episcopal Church's Executive Council to renew an affiliation with the RCRC in January of this year "was necessarily provocative." In a time when the Episcopal Church is divided internally and faces the alienation of the global Anglican Communion, the church's support for abortion "seems to drive a wedge in those relationships."

No Episcopal General Convention has ever granted approval of RCRC membership, and the Executive Council has simply reaffirmed the relationship from year to year. A previous attempt to disassociate the Episcopal Church from RCRC failed at the convention in 2003.

The Episcopal Church was a support base for the pro-abortion movement during the decade before the U.S. Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade. In response to growing agitation for abortion in the Episcopal Church, pro-life Episcopalians founded Noel for Life in 1966 "to advocate the sanctity of human life from conception to natural death in the Church and society."

see the rest at: http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4298

[DeoJuvante]

the only way you can't is if the fetus is a convicted murder, rapist, terrorist, etc - THEN we become "pro-life"...strange days indeed...

The thing about murders, rapists, terrorists, etc. is that they are undisputably living, breathing human beings. It is wrong to kill. It is even wrong to kill them.

The thing about foetuses is that there is dispute about whether or not they are alive in the same sense as a born child. And the only people that argue that they are tend to be arguing from conservative Christian values, so why should the medical, political and scientific establishments be expected to take them seriously.

[Colabomb]

I'm sorry this is hurting you so much, Glen.
This hurts many of us deeply. While I am not a member of ECUSA, Abortion effects us all.

Whether or not it is (which we are not supposed to get into on this board) we see Abortion as the ending of a Human Life. There may be very limited times when this is a grave necessity, but inconvenience of the mother is disgusting and repugnant excuse.

(If anyone here has had an abortion, please do not take my words too harshly. While Abortion on Demand does indeed disgust me, I believe there is healing and forgiveness in the Arms of God, regardless of the gravity of the sin.)

[Tetzel]

The thing about foetuses is that there is dispute about whether or not they are alive in the same sense as a born child. And the only people that argue that they are tend to be arguing from conservative Christian values, so why should the medical, political and scientific establishments be expected to take them seriously.

I thought that this thread wasn't about the scientific, political, and medical establishments taking it seriously, but rather the ECUSA taking it seriously.

[gtsecc]

Anglicans are known for via media.
How about a compromise?

Traditionally males, particularly white straight Christian males from England have oppressed the world.
To sort of “right this wrong” and fret a middle ground we could simply allow for the abortion of these sorts of fetuses.

Gay, female, Muslim, Unitarian Universalist, and brown babies, of course would be protected.

[Aymn27]

The thing about murders, rapists, terrorists, etc. is that they are undisputably living, breathing human beings. It is wrong to kill. It is even wrong to kill them.

The thing about foetuses is that there is dispute about whether or not they are alive in the same sense as a born child. And the only people that argue that they are tend to be arguing from conservative Christian values, so why should the medical, political and scientific establishments be expected to take them seriously. Where in the world do you get that idea? Check out this site (http://www.l4l.org) - by a pro-life Libertarian, who happens to be agnostic. Don't be spoon fed by the mainstream media and liberal academia...for instance, I'm sure a majority of people believe global warming to be gospel truth - however, some of the world's leading climatologist say it is a bunk theory....check out this (http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008220) and this (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/09/do0907.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/04/09/ixworld.html). Free your mind brother ;)

[Colabomb]

I thought better of posting what I did.