RC, Orthodox, and us: No mystery

[cenimo]

There are currently threads in STR:

Find myslef jrealous of the Orthdox

RC Assimilation: No go for Anglicans

The Hip Hop Prayer Book

Is it any real wonder why the RC and Orthodox look at a church with a Bishop Robinson, Hip Hop Masses, Clown Masses, Goth Masses, and other such "clever innovations" the way that they do?

I really doubt they're going to toss 2000 years of steadfastness aside just to appease " a bunch of clowns" that have a faction, a large faction, that is demanding to make a mockery out of worship and calls their own people who point that out "the troublemakers.". Sure, the Rc and Orthodox and many otghers have their own internal problems but they don't in-your-face the rest of Christianity with them.

[higgs2]

In my town we hang out with the Methodists and the Presbyterians, doing VBS with them, social functions, etc. Althought we do go the the RC pie social and no one there seems to care about the "Hip Hop Prayer Book", they just sell us pie. They're really nice. :)

[cenimo]

higgs2

Yeah, sure I understand that, and our church is ike that too....but the threads I referred to about "jealous of the Orthodox" and "RC: no assimilation" are on the official highest levels....

[Mysterium_Fidei]

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[Aymn27]

There are currently threads in STR:

Find myslef jrealous of the Orthdox

RC Assimilation: No go for Anglicans

The Hip Hop Prayer Book

Is it any real wonder why the RC and Orthodox look at a church with a Bishop Robinson, Hip Hop Masses, Clown Masses, Goth Masses, and other such "clever innovations" the way that they do?

I really doubt they're going to toss 2000 years of steadfastness aside just to appease " a bunch of clowns" that have a faction, a large faction, that is demanding to make a mockery out of worship and calls their own people who point that out "the troublemakers.". Sure, the Rc and Orthodox and many otghers have their own internal problems but they don't in-your-face the rest of Christianity with them.
I'm not positive I get your point here cenimo. The "oddities" you refer to are ECUSA - which I'm sure you know doesn't represent the entirity of the Anglican spectrum. The two communions noted - the CEC and the TAC - are both extremely conservative in outlook and extremely Catholic in ethos (a CEC priest friend of mine has eucharistic adoration on first fridays).

So I fail to see the connect between ECUSA practice and the ones mentioned in the referenced speech. Rome would do well to allow these communions into its fold. The "problem" as I see it is 1) Rome would have to admit that it is incorrect on Anglican orders by recognizing the orders of the TAC 2) Rome would have to allow a "married priesthood" within the Latin Rite - while RCs will say "we have married Eastern Rite priests" the truth of the matter is that married men are not to be ordained in the US, so the Eastern Rite bishops fly the married men to Europe, ordain them, then fly them back and place them in a parish. The Roman Church will go to great lenghts to preserve the celibate priesthood.

[higgs2]

higgs2

Yeah, sure I understand that, and our church is ike that too....but the threads I referred to about "jealous of the Orthodox" and "RC: no assimilation" are on the official highest levels....

Yes, I see. But IRL, at least in my real life, most people are more concerned about loving their neighbor and raising their children in a loving church and praying for thier needs and concerns and having a support system of Christians available to them than they are with what do the RC's think about us. I would be that there is not one person in my Episcopal church who is "jealous of the Orthodox" or longing for Rome to acknowledge us.

But we do like that pie social, and every Thanksgiving we get together with the RC's and put food baskets together for the food bank.

In fact, a lot of our members are former Roman Catholics, and I would bet that they have no desire to transform the Episcopal church into an RC "mini me" LOL! They can walk down the street and go to mass if they want, but they don't.

I think it's Real Life that counts, and I think the people worshipping in the pews are better indicators of the climate in the EC than the "highest levels" or (to borrow a phrase) the e-pologists on the internet.

:)
Peace be with you.

[Naomi4Christ]

Yes, I see. But IRL, at least in my real life, most people are more concerned about loving their neighbor and raising their children in a loving church and praying for thier needs and concerns and having a support system of Christians available to them than they are with what do the RC's think about us. I would be that there is not one person in my Episcopal church who is "jealous of the Orthodox" or longing for Rome to acknowledge us.

But we do like that pie social, and every Thanksgiving we get together with the RC's and put food baskets together for the food bank.

In fact, a lot of our members are former Roman Catholics, and I would bet that they have no desire to transform the Episcopal church into an RC "mini me" LOL! They can walk down the street and go to mass if they want, but they don't.

I think it's Real Life that counts, and I think the people worshipping in the pews are better indicators of the climate in the EC than the "highest levels" or (to borrow a phrase) the e-pologists on the internet.

:)
Peace be with you.

I could easily have written this post myself. :)

[RedneckAnglican]

19Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. 22To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 23I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.


I Corinthians 9:19-23

[Naomi4Christ]

19Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. 22To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 23I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

On reading this post, I thought we must be in the Hip Hop thread.

Wise words from Paul. Thanks for posting.

[Aymn27]

Yes, I see. But IRL, at least in my real life, most people are more concerned about loving their neighbor and raising their children in a loving church and praying for thier needs and concerns and having a support system of Christians available to them than they are with what do the RC's think about us. I would be that there is not one person in my Episcopal church who is "jealous of the Orthodox" or longing for Rome to acknowledge us.

But we do like that pie social, and every Thanksgiving we get together with the RC's and put food baskets together for the food bank.

In fact, a lot of our members are former Roman Catholics, and I would bet that they have no desire to transform the Episcopal church into an RC "mini me" LOL! They can walk down the street and go to mass if they want, but they don't.

I think it's Real Life that counts, and I think the people worshipping in the pews are better indicators of the climate in the EC than the "highest levels" or (to borrow a phrase) the e-pologists on the internet.

:)
Peace be with you.
Ok higgs,
I'll give you the fact that "on the ground" it really doesn't matter much - at least to most people. BUT if you take Scripture seriously you should no doubt be concerned with these petty things - even if it isn't a high priority. Why? because Jesus prayed that we would all be one in him. I think he must've seen all this coming b/c what other purpose was that prayer for? Why did he tell Peter to pray for his brethern so that they may not be separated - that Satan was trying to seperate them (unfortunately the chair of Peter decided that it's headship directive in Scripture would come to mean dictatorship and Satan has succeeded.)

And you really shouldn't fault/judge those of us who do like to jib-jab about this stuff because it is pertinent to our faith and to the body of Christ. Maybe you're called to be in a hands on ministry making food baskets or visiting the elderly/sick, etc - but you really shouldn't treat others who may be called to heal these divisions as if they are odd or out of touch or whatever - the head can't do without the foot - if you get my drift :).

[Naomi4Christ]

Ok higgs,
I'll give you the fact that "on the ground" it really doesn't matter much - at least to most people. BUT if you take Scripture seriously you should no doubt be concerned with these petty things - even if it isn't a high priority. Why? because Jesus prayed that we would all be one in him. I think he must've seen all this coming b/c what other purpose was that prayer for? Why did he tell Peter to pray for his brethern so that they may not be separated - that Satan was trying to seperate them (unfortunately the chair of Peter decided that it's headship directive in Scripture would come to mean dictatorship and Satan has succeeded.)


Does "being at one" with Jesus, mean we all have to be automatons and "do" the same things? I don't think so.

We are "one" with one another if we respect that we all love the Lord with all our heart, soul and mind, and love our neighbour as ourself.

:prayer: Father, forgive us when we hold on the the petty differences in the practice of our faith and fail to show unity in the body of Christ.

[cenimo]

Re: the things mentioned in the OP, Scripture tells us what to do:

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

Ephesians 5:11

[higgs2]

Ok higgs,
I'll give you the fact that "on the ground" it really doesn't matter much - at least to most people. BUT if you take Scripture seriously you should no doubt be concerned with these petty things - even if it isn't a high priority. Why? because Jesus prayed that we would all be one in him. I think he must've seen all this coming b/c what other purpose was that prayer for? Why did he tell Peter to pray for his brethern so that they may not be separated - that Satan was trying to seperate them (unfortunately the chair of Peter decided that it's headship directive in Scripture would come to mean dictatorship and Satan has succeeded.)

And you really shouldn't fault/judge those of us who do like to jib-jab about this stuff because it is pertinent to our faith and to the body of Christ. Maybe you're called to be in a hands on ministry making food baskets or visiting the elderly/sick, etc - but you really shouldn't treat others who may be called to heal these divisions as if they are odd or out of touch or whatever - the head can't do without the foot - if you get my drift :).
I feel like we're having two conversations right past each other. :scratch:

[Aymn27]

I feel like we're having two conversations right past each other. :scratch:
yea..I got that feeling too..lol..oh well, it's really not that important!

[higgs2]

yea..I got that feeling too..lol..oh well, it's really not that important!
LOL! I'm glad it's not just my perception... No it's really not important let's move on :)

Peace be with you :wave:

[Aymn27]

LOL! I'm glad it's not just my perception... No it's really not important let's move on :)

Peace be with you :wave:
And with your "spirit" (ala Roman reforms..rofl;) )- aka - and also with you!