A Suggestion for New Additions Choosing - Poll for Us To Vote In?

[JewelInHisCrown]

Hello Armory Team...

I am just suggesting this because I know a number of people also feel that their armory requests don't ever get chosen.

Don't you think it would be fair that if when you post the "To Be Considered List", you post it as a Poll for the CF members to choose what they want to get made instead of just the armory team choosing? I just think it would be a great idea and be fair for all of us to have a say in the choosing.

Say if you have 30 items in your poll and you guys are set for 15 or 20 new items, the top 15-20 poll selections with highest votes get chosen. (or however many on the poll it allows, etc)

We do so appreciate all the hard work and effort you all in the armory team put in, but just thought that maybe trying something new would be fun & fair.
Thanks for your consideration
Jewel

[JewelInHisCrown]

Oh my gosh, I'm sorry I just noticed someone had this same thought. (I originally felt like "Blair" in The Facts of Life - "I just had another one of my brilliant ideas - LOL! but someone beat me to it!)

I saw the response to his poll suggestion, and I still tend to think that having a poll is a GOOD idea! There was concern about it being a popularity contest. Well if that is the case, every contest Erwin runs like the homepage contest or the Easter/Christmas contests could be considered the same. Those even have blessings give-aways. This does not.

Maybe you can try it for a month or two to see how it goes? Just seems fair to have us all vote. I know that there is a way to vote for multiple items. Voting for just one might be a "popularity" thing, but if you give us an few options or unlimited to vote for that may help solve the popularity contest issue as well. Plus this isn't a blessing give-away vote....if anything it will cost blessings in the long run when we buy from armory ;)

:hug: Thanks for the consideration :hug:

[kopilo]

I could see this work, but the voters would have to be fully aware that the outcome of the poll is not the only thing in determining which items are going to be added to the armory.

[JewelInHisCrown]

I could see this work, but the voters would have to be fully aware that the outcome of the poll is not the only thing in determining which items are going to be added to the armory.
EXACTLY!

Kopilo, I am sorry I resubmitted this by accident, I read after I posted that you had the same suggestion. I just thought of it and went on and posted before I forgot!!! I thought I came up with it all on my own :D Great minds think alike!! ;)

[kopilo]

Hey, don't sweat it, what I was suggesting is actually rather different when compared to what you have come up with and does actually remove a lot of inhertent issues that mine would have, such as allowing equal opportunity of each item being voted upon.

[Veiled Viper]

Your suggestion is noted.I'll discuss this with Raven and see what she thinks.

[ravenscape]

We're discussing this idea. It might work, though there are some logistical issues and a few other concerns we'll have to consider.

But, related to people's requests not being accepted, I wanted to float this question and see what you guys think.

Way back in the dawn of time (pre-Characters at CF -- and for a couple months after the CF Characters were rolled out), when we declined items we used some boilerplate text that said something like "Your request wasn't accepted because of one of the following five reasons".

The specific reason wasn't listed, but it gave people an idea whether their request could be tweaked in the next go-round and have a better chance of acceptance.

But...due to HUGE numbers of request threads (sometimes over 100 per two-week go-round), LibertyChic had to set a limit on the number of requests that she'd accept in a go-round. At that point, requests that could otherwise have been accepted were being turned down, and the standard text of the decline post didn't make sense.

So we went with a more generic decline post that didn't list the possible reasons why the item was declined.

What I'm wondering is if we should give a little more information about why items are declined in our decline posts, so that people know if the item could be accepted at a later point in time or not.

[Veiled Viper]

What I'm wondering is if we should give a little more information about why items are declined in our decline posts, so that people know if the item could be accepted at a later point in time or not.Wouldn't that invite further discussion or argument in that thread?
:scratch:

[ravenscape]

Wouldn't that invite further discussion or argument in that thread?
:scratch:

Heheh! Doesn't that already happen? ^_^

I'm thinking it would be like the earlier boilerplate -- not the specifics, but a list of possible reasons why it was declined, for the requestor to think about and decide how they could improve their chances on the next request.

[Veiled Viper]

Oh,I thought you meant a specific reason.:D
Nevermind.

[Tariel]

Heheh! Doesn't that already happen? ^_^

I'm thinking it would be like the earlier boilerplate -- not the specifics, but a list of possible reasons why it was declined, for the requestor to think about and decide how they could improve their chances on the next request.
sounds good :thumbsup:

[JewelInHisCrown]

We're discussing this idea. It might work, though there are some logistical issues and a few other concerns we'll have to consider.

But, related to people's requests not being accepted, I wanted to float this question and see what you guys think.

Way back in the dawn of time (pre-Characters at CF -- and for a couple months after the CF Characters were rolled out), when we declined items we used some boilerplate text that said something like "Your request wasn't accepted because of one of the following five reasons".

The specific reason wasn't listed, but it gave people an idea whether their request could be tweaked in the next go-round and have a better chance of acceptance.

But...due to HUGE numbers of request threads (sometimes over 100 per two-week go-round), LibertyChic had to set a limit on the number of requests that she'd accept in a go-round. At that point, requests that could otherwise have been accepted were being turned down, and the standard text of the decline post didn't make sense.

So we went with a more generic decline post that didn't list the possible reasons why the item was declined.

What I'm wondering is if we should give a little more information about why items are declined in our decline posts, so that people know if the item could be accepted at a later point in time or not.
Thank you for considering this. I appreciate it. I thought it was a cool idea to have a choice up there. Kind of like Erwin's homepage contest. It has the name and the link but instead of picking just one, people can choose more than one.

Thanks again for trying to work the poll in somehow.:thumbsup:

[JewelInHisCrown]

Your suggestion is noted.I'll discuss this with Raven and see what she thinks.
Thanks for considering this :thumbsup:

[chaoschristian]

Howdy pixelsmiths. CC chirping in with an observation:

You already have a thread that you update each go around that lists all of the items from the considerations list that did make into the armoury.

Why not take that same idea and after each update simultaneously post a thread with a compilation of all of the items from the consideration list that did not make it into the armoury.

You could head it up, per Ravenscape's idea, with boilerplate "The following items from the X Consideration List were not added to the armoury for one or more of the following reasons . . . ."

This way you are not consuming time creating individual replies to each denied request.

It would be sort of like university, where everyone gathers outside the Dean's office to see who got pass and who didn't.

This way all of us could see in two threads (or perhaps make this all one thread for easier reference) what the results of a particular go around were, and hopefully it has the added benefit of saving some work for the team too.

[ravenscape]

Thank you for considering this. I appreciate it. I thought it was a cool idea to have a choice up there. Kind of like Erwin's homepage contest. It has the name and the link but instead of picking just one, people can choose more than one.

Thanks again for trying to work the poll in somehow.:thumbsup:

The experience of Erwin's poll is one reason why I worry about doing armory polls. There are rumors that votes are being bought with blessings in that contest. I hope it's not true :(.

[Angel4Truth]

Raven , thats one reason and the other you listed on the other thread about less popular or known members items being given consideration that i think polls are a bad idea - it seems when ive seen them it always ends up the popular person wins with little consideration of the page /dress/item , etc being considered - people vote for people who they like instead of what is suppose to be being voted on and this would always result certain people never getting their items approved .

[Veiled Viper]

Raven , thats one reason and the other you listed on the other thread about less popular or known members items being given consideration that i think polls are a bad idea - it seems when ive seen them it always ends up the popular person wins with little consideration of the page /dress/item , etc being considered - people vote for people who they like instead of what is suppose to be being voted on and this would always result certain people never getting their items approved .So true.:thumbsup:

[kopilo]

Raven , thats one reason and the other you listed on the other thread about less popular or known members items being given consideration that i think polls are a bad idea - it seems when ive seen them it always ends up the popular person wins with little consideration of the page /dress/item , etc being considered - people vote for people who they like instead of what is suppose to be being voted on and this would always result certain people never getting their items approved .
But surely a pattern like that would stand out like a sore thumb?

[JewelInHisCrown]

But surely a pattern like that would stand out like a sore thumb?
I agree.

Like I said if you have a poll with 30 items and you need 20 to be picked..how many could possibly be 'favorites'...plus people can only vote for as many as they want one time. This is about armor items here, not a plethora of blessings giving out. We would be voting for items to buy - which would cost us blessings. I can't see it being 100% "fixed".

[Veiled Viper]

How we do it now is you post in the original request thread to show your support for the item.
We consider the amount of support posts when considering each item.
Sometimes a request that got no support posts gets added,because this isn't the only criteria we use to determine what gets added.

[kopilo]

this isn't the only criteria we use to determine what gets added.
As stated in post #3.

[kopilo]

Howdy pixelsmiths. CC chirping in with an observation:

You already have a thread that you update each go around that lists all of the items from the considerations list that did make into the armoury.

Why not take that same idea and after each update simultaneously post a thread with a compilation of all of the items from the consideration list that did not make it into the armoury.

You could head it up, per Ravenscape's idea, with boilerplate "The following items from the X Consideration List were not added to the armoury for one or more of the following reasons . . . ."

This way you are not consuming time creating individual replies to each denied request.

It would be sort of like university, where everyone gathers outside the Dean's office to see who got pass and who didn't.

This way all of us could see in two threads (or perhaps make this all one thread for easier reference) what the results of a particular go around were, and hopefully it has the added benefit of saving some work for the team too.
I like it, makes a lot of sense, no?

[Miracle Storm]

I was getting a little scared reading this thread until I read this post:D ;)
When we post our request people are already giving there input on the thread.
There are alot of reasons why an item may not get added and I do not believe that it should be determined by a poll.:sorry:
There are so many factors that would, in the end make polls for requested items a bad idea. IMO
God bless.

How we do it now is you post in the original request thread to show your support for the item.
We consider the amount of support posts when considering each item.
Sometimes a request that got no support posts gets added,because this isn't the only criteria we use to determine what gets added.

[sister_maynard]

Since you have specific reasons, would you please consider some sort of FAQ thing that attempts to explain the best way to think of an item that could be accepted and fun?

[LibertyChic]

Since you have specific reasons, would you please consider some sort of FAQ thing that attempts to explain the best way to think of an item that could be accepted and fun?
Just my 2 cents.....the above option is the best idea. Polls would lead to hurt feelings and many complications....


FWIW. ;)

[sister_maynard]

Polls really could get angsty, but they could be worth a trial run just to see if they would work.

[ravenscape]

I like the idea of updating the FAQ's with some of the common reasons why requests are declined these days. This kind of info changes over time as the types of requests aren't a constant. But there are some fairly universal reasons why some things get declined.

* raven add this to her VERY LONG to-do list

[sister_maynard]

Thanks for considering it! If people take the time to figure out what sort of requests would be rejected, the pixelsmiths might wind up having less rejections to sort through.

[PorcelainHeart]

A poll is a good and bad idea, its a bad idea because not everyone will be honest and might even use sockpuppets. Some people might even get all their friends to vote for their item.

It would be good because it will let people have some what of say what goes into armory.

I do see where angel4truth is coming from, I seen so many polls become into popularity contest. Not everyone would be honest either.

[ravenscape]

There is just so much more besides the popularity of an item that goes into the decision process. If there were polls, items that didn't get a good response on the polls COULD be added based on other issues, and items that get a good response COULD be declined based on other issues.

Popularity is only one concern, and it's seldom the top factor in the decision process.

[Veiled Viper]

There is just so much more besides the popularity of an item that goes into the decision process. If there were polls, items that didn't get a good response on the polls COULD be added based on other issues, and items that get a good response COULD be declined based on other issues.

Popularity is only one concern, and it's seldom the top factor in the decision process.
Very well said.:thumbsup:
This explains why polls would be useless and only a means of division,IMO.