Any news yet? Did we repent?

[gtsecc]

Any news yet from General?

[Aymn27]

gtsecc..
check out virtueonline.org for daily articles updates...
i know it is a very orthodox view but at least you can get some news from it.

[gtsecc]

gtsecc..
check out virtueonline.org for daily articles updates...
i know it is a very orthodox view but at least you can get some news from it.
I'm as orthodox as I can be, and so is my parish.

[AngloWesleyan]

The biggest news so far is that they passed a resolution condemning the Bible as "anti-Jewish."

[Aymn27]

The biggest news so far is that they passed a resolution condemning the Bible as "anti-Jewish.":sigh:

also..just rumor though..the orthodox diocese are already in line to walk out (three for sure, possibly more) and claim themselves as the new branch of American Anglicanism - will be interesting this weekend and early next...

[higgs2]

http://www.episcopalchurch.org/gc2006/

[Father Rick]

General Convention 2006 News Alert from the American Anglican Council
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Thursday, June 15, 2006




Bishop Wright Calls Special Commission Resolutions Inadequate




AAC News from Columbus, Ohio

Dr. N. T. (Tom) Wright, Bishop of Durham and member of the Lambeth Commission, has issued a strong admonition to the Episcopal Church USA (ECUSA) regarding their response to the Windsor Report. In a comprehensive analysis of Special Commission resolutions entitled “The Choice Before ECUSA,” released June 13, 2006, Bishop Wright evaluates the resolutions in light of what Windsor “said and meant.” He assesses the proposed legislation as falling far short of “Windsor requirements” for choosing to walk together.



"It is very important not to let the plethora of material, in the official document and in all the various commentaries on it, detract attention from the central and quite simple question: Will ECUSA comply with the specific and detailed recommendations of Windsor, or will it not? As the Resolutions stand, only one answer is possible: if these are passed without amendment, ECUSA will have specifically, deliberately and knowingly decided not to comply with Windsor. Only if the crucial Resolutions, especially A160 and A161, are amended in line with Windsor paragraph 134, can there be any claim of compliance."

Bishop N.T. (Tom) Wright


From his perspective as one of the authors of the Windsor Report, Bishop Wright notes that each word, phrase and line of the Windsor Report was carefully crafted and designed to elicit clearly defined responses and choices. He also explains that the Primates and Anglican Consultative Council (ACC) endorsed the Windsor Report , which in his view, brings “as much weight as the Communion can muster.”



“The Windsor recommendations were not general, arm-waving aspirations; they were precisely focused, thoroughly thought through and carefully worded. Many on the Commission wanted to say more, many would have preferred to say less, but all were agreed that these recommendations were the essential requirements if ECUSA were to continue in full communion and fellowship with the rest of the Anglican Communion,” he says.


The resolutions neither express regret for the actions that breached the bonds of affections nor establish moratoria on consecrations of non-celibate homosexuals and public rites for blessings of same-sex unions. For Bishop Wright, the resolutions therefore depart fundamentally from the clear meaning as well as the spirit of the Windsor Report .




He concludes that “unless the relevant Resolutions are amended so that they clearly state what Windsor clearly requested, the rest of the Communion is bound to conclude that ECUSA has specifically chosen not to comply with Windsor .”




Read Bishop Wright's full statement here on the AAC General Convention page. (http://www.americananglican.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=ikLUK3MJIpG&b=1631033&ct=2625531)

[cenimo]

AngloWesleyan
The biggest news so far is that they passed a resolution condemning the Bible as "anti-Jewish."

Is that for real? Gee, a few months ago they're talking divestment from Israel.

[PaladinValer]

We already did that gtsecc. Check back a few years.

And I'd like to see a neutral source saying that we passed a resolution stating that about the Bible.

[TomUK]

We already did that gtsecc. Check back a few years.


I thought you promised to not do it for a while - i can't recall any repenting going on...

[PaladinValer]

We did apologize that it caused pain and strain as well.

And we promised (and we upheld) not to appoint any new bishops (this went beyond what was asked of us) until our Provincial Council (General Convention).

[TomUK]

We did apologize that it caused pain and strain as well.

Well there you go then. The ECUSA has not repented.

[Aymn27]

Well there you go then. The ECUSA has not repented.
So says Bishop Wright also - or is that a non-"neutral source"...

[AngloWesleyan]

Saying you're sorry for the "pain" you caused the rest of us in the Anglican Communion is not repentance. True repentance would involve acknowledging before God that you have done something abominable in his sight, repudiating said abomination, and resolving, henceforth, to walk in the way of obedience and faithfulness, rather than continuing to walk in the way of disobedience and apostasy.

[RadixLecti]

Saying you're sorry for the "pain" you caused the rest of us in the Anglican Communion is not repentance. True repentance would involve acknowledging before God that you have done something abominable in his sight, repudiating said abomination, and resolving, henceforth, to walk in the way of obedience and faithfulness, rather than continuing to walk in the way of disobedience and apostasy.

:thumbsup:

[PaladinValer]

No, to repent is to change one's mind, in the strictest sense.

We changed our minds about ordaining anymore "openly homosexual" bishops. Therefore, we did repent.

[higgs2]

I don't think ecusa does repent. I think they regret, and I thought that was the language in the Windsor report.

[cenimo]

Defending the selection of an unrepentent bishop is hardly "repenting.

[john23237]

I sincerely hope the ECUSA is not so weak of mind and spirit as to "repent" for doing what was right in the first place. I pray we have the courage and faith in Christ to stand up to forces of the extreme right both in our own church and in the communion and leave the rest up to God. If this means schism, so be it. To sell our souls for the sake of a false union is to dishonor all for which we stand. No truth can ever be built upon a lie. If we say that we repent of that which we truly believe is right, what is that but a well honed lie? What are we saying to the communion but that we are a people not to be trusted , one willing to say or do anything whether we believe it or not to get us off the "hot seat"? Pray tell, now many think Our Lord would be proud of us for that one? False repentance is but a lie and even the conservatives here know that there can never be true "repentance" of the actions of GC 2003 because whatever might be said, the ECUSA honestly believes those actions to be right, just, and the will of God. If the conservatives wish to be handed a lie on a silver platter and consider that a victory, heaven help us all.

[pmcleanj]

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[karen freeinchristman]

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[gtsecc]

ECUSA did not repent.
They did not see that they did anything wrong.
Almost the whole world has changed it mind about homosexuality - why is the churhc so far behind? I don't know. But, it is still nto right for it to act unilaterally. And, ECUSA should not repent probably, becasue they don't think they did anythign wrong, so it wouldn't be honest.