Question for fellow Anglo-Catholics

[AngCath]

For my personal devotions I currently use St. Augustine's Prayer Book which is a great devotional book for Anglo-Catholic Episcopalians/Anglicans. However, my copy is beginning to need replacing. I have heard of A Manual of Anglo-Catholic Devotion and I was wondering if any of you have any experience with it and could offer any insight other than the sparse reviews I've been able to find on Amazon. I'm trying to dig around to see what would be the most fruitful for me.

[gtsecc]

What about just using the English Office?
The English Office Book (Hardcover)

List Price:$29.99

Hardcover: 368 pages
Publisher: Canterbury Press Norwich (February 28, 2006)
ISBN: 185311698X

[AngCath]

I'll look into that too.
Thanks.

[TomUK]

For my personal devotions I currently use St. Augustine's Prayer Book which is a great devotional book for Anglo-Catholic Episcopalians/Anglicans. However, my copy is beginning to need replacing. I have heard of A Manual of Anglo-Catholic Devotion and I was wondering if any of you have any experience with it and could offer any insight other than the sparse reviews I've been able to find on Amazon. I'm trying to dig around to see what would be the most fruitful for me.

I've got 'a handbook of anglo-catholic devotion' which is an abridge version of the manual.

If i recall correctly it's not that great but i haven't used in some time. When i got home i'll have a gander and see what i think.

A book which i'm using and loving at the moment is the short benedictine breviary. It's definitely worth checking out.

[TomUK]

OK, i've got in front of me. It is an excellent book and a very worthwhile addition to any collection. I think my problem with it is that it works best a supplement to other prayer books rather than being an independent prayer book. There's a lot of great stuff in there which i don't have in other books but i don't think i could ever use it exclusively. At the moment i'm using common worship daily prayer a lot and the pocket manual of anglo-catholic devotions provides a nice occasional alternative and adds things which CW has ommitted (eg. marian antiphons) but overall it will always remain a supplement.

However i don't know how much has been removed to turn it into a pocket manual. (this one has 442 good sized pages.)

[AngCath]

thank you Tom!

[AngCath]

do you use the Benedictine breviary as a suppliment or stand alone prayer book?

[TomUK]

do you use the Benedictine breviary as a suppliment or stand alone prayer book?

I'm using it as a stand alone book. However you may have noticed my other thread. What i'm in the process of at the moment is combining all of my prayer books into one book - discarding all the elements i don't use and including all those i do. It's no small undertaking.

Back to the point, if anything the benedictine breviary is perhaps too stand alone. It's called a short breviary but actually has over 2000 pages (it's not cumbersome though ) and it has all the vigil readings already in. It's got all the hymns that you need and most of the psalms. I'm occasionaly worried when using it that i'm discarding the bible as it can really be used without reference to the bible. It probably sounds stupid but that was one of the reasons i decided to create a prayer book that suited my purposes.

[AngCath]

thank you for your input.

[Torah613]

the St. Augustine's prayerbook can still be purchased. I had once upon a time, but sadly discarded it when I first went East along with all my other western paraphanalia.

Joe Zollars

[AngCath]

I know exactly where I can get one, i'm just trying to figure out if I should. Where the St. Augustine is lacking is that it does not have a psalter and does not change with the Church year.

[gtsecc]

We need to get this online.

[TomUK]

Is that an offer?

[gtsecc]

Well, it would be nice to have a program, like the St. Clare mission, which would generate the daily office for a particular day with all the antiphons and readings included.

This is great, but the antiphons are missing.

http://www.missionstclare.com/english/index.html

[Torah613]

Why not use teh Psalter in the Prayerbook? I actually find it to be among the best laid out and best translated English Psalters. I actually used it in the Orthodox Office as well.

Joe Zollars

[gtsecc]

Why not use teh Psalter in the Prayerbook? I actually find it to be among the best laid out and best translated English Psalters. I actually used it in the Orthodox Office as well.

Joe Zollars
I do - it is fantastic, but I would like the antiphons.
So, for psalm 73 it is
Truly, God is good to Israel, *
to those who are pure in heart.
and for 74 it is:
Remember your congregation that you purchased long ago,

[gtsecc]

If the antiphon is the first line of the psalm, do you say it before the psalm or not?

[gitlance]

For my personal devotions I currently use St. Augustine's Prayer Book which is a great devotional book for Anglo-Catholic Episcopalians/Anglicans. However, my copy is beginning to need replacing. I have heard of A Manual of Anglo-Catholic Devotion and I was wondering if any of you have any experience with it and could offer any insight other than the sparse reviews I've been able to find on Amazon. I'm trying to dig around to see what would be the most fruitful for me.
I have both. Much prefer St. Augustine's. In fact, I still use it daily.

[Torah613]

here's an oddball question. Although I don't define myself as an AngloCatholic but rather more middle of the road, I rather like some of the ceremonial. Is there a prayerbook from the Dearmerite school of AngloCatholicism?

Joe Zollars

[gtsecc]

What is the Dearmerite school?
In general, I don't think it matters if you get a Roman Catholic or Anglican Office book, the Antiphones are the same, and most of the colelcts are the same - some are moved around.

But, I don't know as much about it as I wish I did. People seem to have gotten out of the habit of praying the office, but I think we need to get back to doing it. Now, I hang out with a large group of folks who are probably unusual in that we pray the offices frequently - either the EO office or Western Church office.

[AngCath]

I too would like to know what "dearmerite school" means.

[Torah613]

Dearmerite as in Pearcy Dearmer.

Joe Zollars

[Torah613]

I was told it was someone who was anglocatholic but instead of borrowing roman ceremonial reinvigorated the old Sarum and York ceremonials and traditions>

Joe Zollars

[AngCath]

interesting.

[AngCath]

BTW,
Just thought I'd let you know I decided upon the Anglican Breviary and have been learning Lauds and Vespers for the past few days.

[TomUK]

Could you give us an amazon link?

[AngCath]

http://www.anglicanbreviary.com/

It isn't available through Amazon.

[TomUK]

I sense an imminent purchase coming on...

Quick question though, is it proper English or American English? ;)

[seanmc]

Quick question though, is it proper English or American English? ;)

Written in the language of the BCP, I say unto thee.

[AngCath]

Here is a little sample from the Collect for St. Irenaeus (June 28):

"O God, who didst bestow upon blessed Irenaeus thy Martyr and Bishop grace to overcome false doctrine by the teaching of the truth, and to establish thy Church in peace and prosperity: we beseech thee, that thou wouldest give thy people constancy in thy true religion; and grant us thy peace all the days of our life. Through Jesus Chist thy Son our Lord. Who liveth and reigneth with thee, in the unity of the Holy Ghost, ever one God, world without end. Amen."

[TomUK]

Does that mean words like saviour etc have a 'u'?

[AngCath]

yup

[TomUK]

curse you angcath - i've got no money as it is, i don't need another book to spend more money on!

[AngCath]

curse you angcath - i've got no money as it is, i don't need another book to spend more money on!

:P