Would I be welcome?

[Called2Grace]

If I was to attend an Anglican service even though I am a catholic?

Would I also be able to receive communion?

I was originally Anglican prior to converting.

Thanks1

[OrthoCanuck]

If I was to attend an Anglican service even though I am a catholic?



You'd be welcome. I attended Anglican services when I was Catholic.


Would I also be able to receive communion?



Yes. All baptized are welcome (at least in the Canadian church...I assume most other Anglican churches have the same policy).


Peace.

[Colabomb]

My particular Body, the Reformed Episcopal Church, welcomes all baptized Christians to Christ's Table.

[PaladinValer]

If I was to attend an Anglican service even though I am a catholic?

Anglicans are Catholics just as much as the Vatican Church is. We recognize the Vatican's Orders and sacraments as both valid and licit as well as that church to be Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic.

Would I also be able to receive communion?

We practice limited Communion. All persons who have been orthodoxily Baptized as welcome to receive so long as they have not been excommunicated or in a state of sin that makes you feel as if you shouldn't Receive.

[Colabomb]

I would also like to comment that although we would welcome you, your church may not be too thrilled with it.

Pray carefully before making such a decision.

[Tomoz]

Hi Susansmum, the Australian Anglican church will welcome anyone to mass and anyone to communion - no one who comes up for it is denied including, in some cases I suppose, unbaptised as well (seeing as many here in oz see communion as symbolic rather than real presence it isn't seen as a desecration or anything). It is viewed as the individual's decision, something between a person and God, and so if you feel moved to recieve communion it will be given to you.

[ContraMundum]

Susansmum, in Australia you could always go to the nearest Traditional Anglican Communion or Forward in Faith church, where you would be most welcome and you'd find the liturgy very familiar.

Here's some links:

http://www.acahome.org/tac/members/memb03.htm

http://www.forwardinfaith.com/resources/parishes-au.html

[PaladinValer]

And there are plenty of traditional Anglican parishes there that you will be able to find as well.

[Called2Grace]

My local parish is in communion with the Archbishop of Canterbury. (is that how you say it)

[ContraMundum]

And there are plenty of traditional Anglican parishes there that you will be able to find as well.

"as well"? There's an implication I don't think I like. (But then again, I'm getting used to the provocation)

I should point out that FiF is part of the Canterbury Communion, just to make it clear.

[ContraMundum]

My local parish is in communion with the Archbishop of Canterbury. (is that how you say it)

That's how you say it! :)

[Naomi4Christ]

Anglicans are Catholics just as much as the Vatican Church is. We recognize the Vatican's Orders and sacraments as both valid and licit as well as that church to be Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic.


What have RC orders got to do with it?

[higgs2]

You would be very welcome in my church, we'd be glad for you to receive communion with us.

[Called2Grace]

Excellent.

I'm just not sure where I am at the moment, so lots of prayer :)

[RadixLecti]

Anglicans are Catholics just as much as the Vatican Church is.


:sleep:

[gtsecc]

:sleep:
That isn't a point of boasting - it is essential.
Why does it make you fall asleep - or is it your way of saying you think the point is of little importance?

[Naomi4Christ]

Where's you Reputation button, Radix? :)

[gtsecc]

If I was to attend an Anglican service even though I am a catholic?
Roman has fallen into error, but their baptisms are still valid, so you are invited to recieve.

Recieveign is an act of saying that you renounce your former delusions (Roman Catholicism)

Welcome to the True Faith!

[pmcleanj]

Receiving is an act of saying that you renounce your former delusions ...

Actually, the best evidence from the various prayer book liturgies is that receiving communion is an act of ... receiving communion.

I find it very comforting that, for the most part, Anglican thought just lets Holy Communion stand on its own merits as a liturgical act, and doesn't try to redefine it or narrow it down or burden it with implications:


His was the Word that spake it
He took the bread and brake it.
And what His Word doth make it,
I do believe and take it.

[gtsecc]

I find it very comforting that, for the most part, Anglican thought just lets Holy Communion stand on its own merits as a liturgical act, and doesn't try to redefine it or narrow it down or burden it with implications:

But, like it or not - if you are Roman Catholic, and you reccieve at an Anglican parish - that has implications in the RCC, and you are in some way renouncing the RCC by recieving. Rome is very clear that the act is the finality of agreement. For a Roman Catholic, reciving in a non-RCC or EO parish, I think, is basically an act of self excommunication.

[No Swansong]

But, like it or not - if you are Roman Catholic, and you reccieve at an Anglican parish - that has implications in the RCC, and you are in some way renouncing the RCC by recieving. Rome is very clear that the act is the finality of agreement. For a Roman Catholic, reciving in a non-RCC or EO parish, I think, is basically an act of self excommunication.

GT makes an excellent point here that the original poster should consider. If her intention is just to visit an Anglican church then she should very seriously consider how the RCC will view this. Actually visiting isn't a problem but receive communion would be. Gt is right the RCC does view reception of communion in any protestant church a form of self-excommunication and if they found out she would be expected to attend confession at the very least. It isn't just a simple matter of is it OK with Anglicans especially if she intends to remain Roman Catholic.

[karen freeinchristman]

GT makes an excellent point here that the original poster should consider. If her intention is just to visit an Anglican church then she should very seriously consider how the RCC will view this. Actually visiting isn't a problem but receive communion would be. Gt is right the RCC does view reception of communion in any protestant church a form of self-excommunication and if they found out she would be expected to attend confession at the very least. It isn't just a simple matter of is it OK with Anglicans especially if she intends to remain Roman Catholic.

I concur.

[Mysterium_Fidei]

GT makes an excellent point here that the original poster should consider. If her intention is just to visit an Anglican church then she should very seriously consider how the RCC will view this. Actually visiting isn't a problem but receive communion would be. Gt is right the RCC does view reception of communion in any protestant church a form of self-excommunication and if they found out she would be expected to attend confession at the very least. It isn't just a simple matter of is it OK with Anglicans especially if she intends to remain Roman Catholic.

Very true. This is something to weigh seriously.

[RadixLecti]

That isn't a point of boasting - it is essential.
Why does it make you fall asleep - or is it your way of saying you think the point is of little importance?

What I was trying to communicate, in a light-hearted way, is that the inferiority complex many Anglicans have is wearing me out. :sleep:


It seems like we are constantly reassuring ourselves that we are just as good as the Catholic Church. Yes, we both have apostolic succession. Yes, we both worship Jesus etc. There is nothing wrong with being an Anglican, and there is no need to apologise for not being a Roman Catholic.

[Colabomb]

What I was trying to communicate, in a light-hearted way, is that the inferiority complex many Anglicans have is wearing me out. :sleep:


It seems like we are constantly reassuring ourselves that we are just as good as the Catholic Church. Yes, we both have apostolic succession. Yes, we both worship Jesus etc. There is nothing wrong with being an Anglican, and there is no need to apologise for not being a Roman Catholic.
:)

[gtsecc]

What I was trying to communicate, in a light-hearted way, is that the inferiority complex many Anglicans have is wearing me out. :sleep:


It seems like we are constantly reassuring ourselves that we are just as good as the Catholic Church. Yes, we both have apostolic succession. Yes, we both worship Jesus etc. There is nothing wrong with being an Anglican, and there is no need to apologise for not being a Roman Catholic.
When Anglicans say Catholic, I don't think it has much to do with Roman, but rather a theological stance. The same as when Eastern Orthodox say something is catholic, they are not looking longingly at Rome.

Trust me, I don't mean Rome when I use the word Catholic. But, I understand that for many folks, Catholic means Roman Catholic.

[Colabomb]

When Anglicans say Catholic, I don't think it has much to do with Roman, but rather a theological stance. The same as when Eastern Orthodox say something is catholic, they are not looking longingly at Rome.

Trust me, I don't mean Rome when I use the word Catholic. But, I understand that for many folks, Catholic means Roman Catholic.
I agree that the Term Catholic is Theological.

However I would argue that many (not necessarily you) do use it in a "me too" fasion.

[artrx]

Actually, the best evidence from the various prayer book liturgies is that receiving communion is an act of ... receiving communion.

I find it very comforting that, for the most part, Anglican thought just lets Holy Communion stand on its own merits as a liturgical act, and doesn't try to redefine it or narrow it down or burden it with implications:


His was the Word that spake it
He took the bread and brake it.
And what His Word doth make it,
I do believe and take it.


:amen: I STILL cannot rep you!:)

[gtsecc]

I agree that the Term Catholic is Theological.

However I would argue that many (not necessarily you) do use it in a "me too" fasion.
I would argue that you hear it that way, but most of the folks who use it, probably hang out with other Catholics, and use the word without a thought about it in another way.

[RadixLecti]

I would argue that you hear it that way, but most of the folks who use it, probably hang out with other Catholics, and use the word without a thought about it in another way.

I'm suspect that when Roman Catholics casually say "Catholic" they mean exclusively "Roman Catholic". I have no idea what Orthodox Christians would think. Someone should post a poll on OBOB and TAW to see hows they use the word "Catholic".

[Called2Grace]

I really apreciate the help that everyone has given me here. I didn't realise that recieving communion in an Anglican church would be a form of self excomunication. This is definately something to think about.
One other thing that I also really apreciate is the way that you have told me, it was in a very thoughtful, considerate manner. I feel very accepted.

Thank you again.

[She]

I'm grateful to know that too (about self-excommunication) since I was about to receive Holy Communion in the Anglican Church. Obviously one must be absolutely certain that the right decision is being made.

[gitlance]

If I was to attend an Anglican service even though I am a catholic?

Would I also be able to receive communion?

I was originally Anglican prior to converting.

Thanks1
The Anglican Churches will welcome you to Communion, but the Catholic Church of which you are a member does not permit her children to receive Communion outside the Catholic Church (with exception to the Eastern Orthodox Churches).

[gtsecc]

I'm suspect that when Roman Catholics casually say "Catholic" they mean exclusively "Roman Catholic". I have no idea what Orthodox Christians would think. Someone should post a poll on OBOB and TAW to see hows they use the word "Catholic".
Sure - Roman Catholics think it means their church alone.
The - Orthodox think it means their church alone.

It is also used to describe a belief held everywhere and at all times, ie., the catholic teaching is X,Y,Z.

If my roommate tells me a parish is Catholic, I know that means it is an Anglican parish with certain teachings. I am never confused about which "church" he is referring to parish he is referring to.

Once in a while, my friend might be talking about a certain town, and say the cathedral, and it might not immediately be apparent if they are talking about the Anglican or Roman Catholic Cathedral.

[RadixLecti]

Sure - Roman Catholics think it means their church alone.
The - Orthodox think it means their church alone.

It is also used to describe a belief held everywhere and at all times, ie., the catholic teaching is X,Y,Z.

If my roommate tells me a parish is Catholic, I know that means it is an Anglican parish with certain teachings. I am never confused about which "church" he is referring to parish he is referring to.

Once in a while, my friend might be talking about a certain town, and say the cathedral, and it might not immediately be apparent if they are talking about the Anglican or Roman Catholic Cathedral.


I see what you mean.
:cool:

[No Swansong]

I'm suspect that when Roman Catholics casually say "Catholic" they mean exclusively "Roman Catholic". I have no idea what Orthodox Christians would think. Someone should post a poll on OBOB and TAW to see hows they use the word "Catholic".


Radix you obviously havent' experienced that joy yet. Cola once used the word Catholic on OBOB as a theological distinctive and he was (among other unpleasant things) accused of trying to steal their name, etc. My experience on that board has been that the use of the term catholic by non Roman Catholics is strongly objected to and heaven forbid you use the term Roman Catholic there are many over there who believe it is an insult.

[DeoJuvante]

Radix you obviously havent' experienced that joy yet. Cola once used the word Catholic on OBOB as a theological distinctive and he was (among other unpleasant things) accused of trying to steal their name, etc. My experience on that board has been that the use of the term catholic by non Roman Catholics is strongly objected to and heaven forbid you use the term Roman Catholic there are many over there who believe it is an insult.
Don't you love cyberspace? :sick:

And back in the real world, many Anglicans and Roman Catholics are able to live together in peace and harmony...

[Called2Grace]

The Palm Sunday Mass I went to started with the Anglicans. I felt moved by the way we both came together.

[Colabomb]

The Palm Sunday Mass I went to started with the Anglicans. I felt moved by the way we both came together.
Cool.

(Do you share a Church or something?)

[ContraMundum]

Radix you obviously havent' experienced that joy yet. Cola once used the word Catholic on OBOB as a theological distinctive and he was (among other unpleasant things) accused of trying to steal their name, etc. My experience on that board has been that the use of the term catholic by non Roman Catholics is strongly objected to and heaven forbid you use the term Roman Catholic there are many over there who believe it is an insult.

There are a lot of "Christians" at OBOB and TAW that are Catholic in every way except in spirit.

[Called2Grace]

Cool.

(Do you share a Church or something?)

No, we met in a vacant block near both churches. Then we both had a procession back to each church.

[She]

There are a lot of "Christians" at OBOB and TAW that are Catholic in every way except in spirit.

I'm not sure what you mean, exactly, but my experience in OBOB was not a pleasant one. It was similar to my experience in real life with my devout RC family and friends.

Sorry to go off topic a bit but I am being heavily criticised at the moment for bringing up my children as Anglicans. My RC family and friends tell me that the sacrament of Holy Communion in the Anglican Church does not contain the true presence of Jesus. Is this true?

[What worries me is that when I went to Church on Sunday, I noticed that the Anglican priest was not emphasizing that part of the Mass in the same way that they do in the RC Church. There was no bell-ringing or raising of the host. Also, he said that he was doing this as a memorial. Do you think that he believes that the host is being transformed with the Spirit of Jesus?]

[gtsecc]

Find an Anglo-Catholic Parish - they will have Sanctus bells. But, Christ is really present in the sacrament, even if you don't ring the bells. We have the same apostolic succession, and the same words- anaphoras as the RCC, and the EO. – Generally you will hear some form of Saint John Chrysostom’s, St. Basil the Great’s, or St. Gregory the Great.

In the Chrysostom Anaphora, we have moved the Epiclesis (make these gifts the body and Blood of Jesus) to after the Words of Institution (He Took, Blessed, Broke, Gave). The RCC do it before. Our contention is that the epiclesis is consecratory. +Benedict has approved a liturgy, which does not contain the Words of Institution, so seem like he is in agreement with us on that point.

[Naomi4Christ]

[What worries me is that when I went to Church on Sunday, I noticed that the Anglican priest was not emphasizing that part of the Mass in the same way that they do in the RC Church. There was no bell-ringing or raising of the host. Also, he said that he was doing this as a memorial. Do you think that he believes that the host is being transformed with the Spirit of Jesus?]

Good man, I'd say. Very few English parishes do those things, btw.

[gtsecc]

1Co 10:16 (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=1co+10:16&version=rsv&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1) - The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?

Joh 6:53 (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=joh+6:53&version=rsv&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1) -
So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;


Bible believing Christians believe in the Real Presence. It is what Christians have always and everywhere believed.

It is a memorial, but not ONLY a memorial. Only a memorial is some sort of new belief, not accepted always and everywhere, and can’t be found by any Christian before the 16th century. I suspect it is the corrupt doctrine.

[Colabomb]

I'm not sure what you mean, exactly, but my experience in OBOB was not a pleasant one. It was similar to my experience in real life with my devout RC family and friends.

Sorry to go off topic a bit but I am being heavily criticised at the moment for bringing up my children as Anglicans. My RC family and friends tell me that the sacrament of Holy Communion in the Anglican Church does not contain the true presence of Jesus. Is this true?

[What worries me is that when I went to Church on Sunday, I noticed that the Anglican priest was not emphasizing that part of the Mass in the same way that they do in the RC Church. There was no bell-ringing or raising of the host. Also, he said that he was doing this as a memorial. Do you think that he believes that the host is being transformed with the Spirit of Jesus?]
We have it. The RCC denies it, but they do so on faulty logic.

[PaladinValer]

The Greek word translated as "memory" really means a reinaction of an event in the same time as it was originally done.

When the Bible says "do this in memory of me," it means that, when we celebrate the Sacrament of Holy Communion, we are, spiritually, outside of time in Mystical Union with the original Last Supper, along with all the rest of the Church. How this is, no one knows; it is a complete Holy Mystery. Yet it is how it goes.

The Bible and Tradition make it clear that we literally receive Christ's Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity. How, no one knows; another Holy Mystery. When? No one knows, although the Epiclesis and Words of Institution are requirements for validity, but otherwise, that's a Holy Mystery too. Is there anything of the bread or wine that remain? Dunno; another Holy Mystery.

There's little we know and a lot we don't know. We know that we receive Christ in a tangible and intangible way each time, and we should take pleasure in just that much.

[Colabomb]

The Greek word translated as "memory" really means a reinaction of an event in the same time as it was originally done.

When the Bible says "do this in memory of me," it means that, when we celebrate the Sacrament of Holy Communion, we are, spiritually, outside of time in Mystical Union with the original Last Supper, along with all the rest of the Church. How this is, no one knows; it is a complete Holy Mystery. Yet it is how it goes.

The Bible and Tradition make it clear that we literally receive Christ's Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity. How, no one knows; another Holy Mystery. When? No one knows, although the Epiclesis and Words of Institution are requirements for validity, but otherwise, that's a Holy Mystery too. Is there anything of the bread or wine that remain? Dunno; another Holy Mystery.

There's little we know and a lot we don't know. We know that we receive Christ in a tangible and intangible way each time, and we should take pleasure in just that much.
Except for Epiclipsis, which shamefully I don't know what it means....

A post I actually agree with Paladin on!

:)

[PaladinValer]

The Episclesis is the actual consecration, when the priest or bishops, by Grace of Apostolic Office, petitions the Holy Spirit to descend upon the Gifts and make the Elements the True Body and Blood.

[Colabomb]

The Episclesis is the actual consecration, when the priest or bishops, by Grace of Apostolic Office, petitions the Holy Spirit to descend upon the Gifts and make the Elements the True Body and Blood.
Okay, it is offical, I agree with Paladin....

[PaladinValer]

Too bad Polycarp officially left...he would have been moved to tears by this revelation. :(

Incidentally, you never joined the campaigne...

[Colabomb]

Too bad Polycarp officially left...he would have been moved to tears by this revelation. :(

Incidentally, you never joined the campaigne...
Did I miss a campaign?

[PaladinValer]

To use the "bonus" I gave you. You can still join: send me a PM.

[Colabomb]

To use the "bonus" I gave you. You can still join: send me a PM.
What Bouns? I am Confused...

What are you talking about? I must have missed something.