Mother's Day, Theotokos, and bad planning...

[MrJim]

Oh what a service this morning. I missed everything until the song before the sermon (errand for the Mrs.).

I walk in and they are singing some hymn called "I AM A WOMAN"--and the guys are singing it too:doh:

I just stood there quietly along side my wife looking at the guy leading the music and the pastor singing thinking "What are you thinking"?

Of course another Mother's Day passes and no mention of Mary, the mother of Jesus. Mary paranoia.

I do believe she is the Theotokos-but I do not perform any special devotion-I believe she would want all our energies focused toward her Son. HOWEVER, gee, can't she even get a mention?

I AM A WOMAN:eek: <<why do I keep going there:doh: ?>>

[arunma]

Oh what a service this morning. I missed everything until the song before the sermon (errand for the Mrs.).

I walk in and they are singing some hymn called "I AM A WOMAN"--and the guys are singing it too:doh:

I just stood there quietly along side my wife looking at the guy leading the music and the pastor singing thinking "What are you thinking"?

Of course another Mother's Day passes and no mention of Mary, the mother of Jesus. Mary paranoia.

I do believe she is the Theotokos-but I do not perform any special devotion-I believe she would want all our energies focused toward her Son. HOWEVER, gee, can't she even get a mention?

I AM A WOMAN:eek: <<why do I keep going there:doh: ?>>

I agree, Mary should be recognized on Mother's Day. I wonder why many evangelicals are afraid of the term "Mother of God." Isn't Jesus God?

[ZiSunka]

I do believe she is the Theotokos-but I do not perform any special devotion-I believe she would want all our energies focused toward her Son. HOWEVER, gee, can't she even get a mention?

I don't think she is the mother of God, after all, Jesus existed eons of time before Mary was even born; she gave birth to the human incarnation of God, but God did not originate with Mary.

I guess I'd be in favor of talking about Mary in the context of her motherhood, of the great thing she did by giving human life to our Lord through her body, even of what a great example she is of a good mother, but the minute she got called, "The Mother of God," I'd cringe and it would be all over for me.

Mary is the mother of the Christ, who was and is and will always be God, but she is not the mother of God.

Would be nice to hear more about her life (her real life, not the stuff about being born without sin and being "assumed" into heaven without dying and all. I guess I'm saying I'd be interested in her Biblical life and not her mythical life.

[Annie101]

Mary deserved mention today, as I see it.

[MrJim]

But what about "I am a Woman" being sung by men???

AHHHHHHHHH it's in the hymnal!!

[Flynmonkie]

That is rather odd..:scratch: I have no idea what to tell you on that one?

[ZiSunka]

But what about "I am a Woman" being sung by men???

AHHHHHHHHH it's in the hymnal!!

I really don't understand that...why is a song called I am a Woman in the hymnal?:scratch:

[MrJim]

Aww you mean you guys didn't sing it this morning?

American Baptists are the only ones with this "hymn"?

[meh]

Aww you mean you guys didn't sing it this morning?

American Baptists are the only ones with this "hymn"?

I'm American Baptist and I just went through our hymnal and we don't have that song. I think it's just your church ;)

[Phileoeklogos]

Theotokos means "God-bearer", and if I can remember correctly, the point of that title being given to Mary, had more to do with Christ's divinity than with Mary. Mary was blessed above all women, we shouldn't be afraid of giving her the honor that the Scriptures record, but not go beyond that, which is how God-bearer turns into Mother of God and all the associated adoration.


Hey Menno, be thankful they weren't singing the old Helen Reddy song............

[Iollain]

i've never heard a hymn called i am a woman, can you post the lyrics?

i always think a lot on Mary at Christmas, not mothers day

[MrJim]

I will get the title of that hymnal and I will get some lyrics


hear ME roar

[Iollain]

you were singing this old hippie song in church? your kidding right?

http://www.lyricstime.com/helen-reddy-i-am-woman-lyrics.html

[MrJim]

you were singing this old hippie song in church? your kidding right?

http://www.lyricstime.com/helen-reddy-i-am-woman-lyrics.html

No no it wasn't that old Reddy song...my wife says it was to a tune of a traditional hymn but can't think of it right now.

I'll find-I'll post-the title was "I am a Woman". Don't forget the article. Tried googling the thing but wasn't very successful.

[Iollain]

lol, well that is a good thing they were not singing that.

[Flynmonkie]

I actually thought it was that “I'm every woman” (Oprahs’ old theme?) That dog-gone song has been stuck in my head all day now thanks to this! Picturing Menno standing there bellowing that brings quite a chuckle^_^

Must be a charismatic American Baptist, but we don't have hymnals at our SBC, we have big screens and we follow the highlighted words ;)

Poor thing, us woman are taking over the world aren’t we?:hug: :D

[arunma]

Poor thing, us woman are taking over the world aren’t we?:hug: :D

Well, last I heard you did comprise 51% of the world's population.

[Flynmonkie]

Well, last I heard you did comprise 51% of the world's population.
AAAAGGHH. Word to the wise, the last thing you need to talk with me about is Sociology today.. Working on a research paper final, (silly me, I chose the immigration issues.) But to top that off, I have to turn in a paper applying the Sociological Perspective to my own life – as a female --> TOMORROW!. (and take my finals!) :doh:

I don’t know what everyone is worried about; them "good ole boys" seem to have it all covered, well at least so far. Hey, the way I see it, it all works out in glass…. we have a glass ceiling and you have a glass escalator.. Best thing about it, apparently according to statistics if we get out of line, men can beat us and murder us and the recidivism rate is obnoxious to even speak of at 60%. (Of course unless you have money!)

Did you catch the reports today? 49% of women say it is better to be working mothers, while 68% have no idea how to balance the two? I think this whole thing Menno speaks about it is a conspiracy plot to start gender confusion The whole idea see is to convince men that they too can be stay at home dads. :idea: Then women will take over the world! :cool: :doh:

Don’t mind me, late night study ramblings.:sigh:

[arunma]

AAAAGGHH. Word to the wise, the last thing you need to talk with me about is Sociology today.. Working on a research paper final, (silly me, I chose the immigration issues.) But to top that off, I have to turn in a paper applying the Sociological Perspective to my own life – as a female --> TOMORROW!. (and take my finals!)

I don’t know what everyone is worried about; them "good ole boys" seem to have it all covered, well at least so far. Hey, the way I see it, it all works out in glass…. we have a glass ceiling and you have a glass escalator.. Best thing about it, apparently according to statistics if we get out of line, men can beat us and murder us and the recidivism rate is obnoxious to even speak of at 60%. (Of course unless you have money!)

Did you catch the reports today? 49% of women say it is better to be working mothers, while 68% have no idea how to balance the two? I think this whole thing Menno speaks about it is a conspiracy plot to start gender confusion The whole idea see is to convince men that they too can be stay at home dads. Then women will take over the world!

Don’t mind me, late night study ramblings.

:help: :help: :help:

Uh oh, finals. Well, I just got done with mine on Friday. Good luck with yours, sister.

[Joykins]

Must be a charismatic American Baptist, but we don't have hymnals at our SBC, we have big screens and we follow the highlighted words ;)

Yes, but do you have a bouncing ball? :D

Poor thing, us woman are taking over the world aren’t we?:hug: :D

:cool:

[Hisbygrace]

Wow I've never seen that song in a hymnal either.
What was the music director thinking?????

[Tappanga]

Must be a charismatic American Baptist, but we don't have hymnals at our SBC, we have big screens and we follow the highlighted words ;)




Same here. The only hymnals in our church level the light board my dad runs. :D

We didn't talk about Mary, but our sermon was on the anonymous Canaanite mother with the demon-possessed daughter (Matt 15:21-28). I thought it was a very good choice. It illustrated how mothers will go to any length for their children.

[Flynmonkie]

Yes, but do you have a bouncing ball? :D

You know, I had to think hard about that one when I started the post, I seriously don't remember the bouncing ball anymore. I almost posted that, but had to think, it would be misleading information. It is just this draining of color as we reach the next word? :confused: That could explain it, I am a "follow the bouncing ball" kind of girl anyway!

Tappanga,:) what is a "light board"?:scratch: That does sound like a good sermon :thumbsup:

(See the conspiracy? We are taking over mennos thread!) The plot thickens, women really know all about it, but the key is to convince Menno that we are innocent in the matter :D

[Tappanga]

Tappanga,:) what is a "light board"?:scratch: That does sound like a good sermon :thumbsup:
[/I]


The control board that runs the spot lights and overhead lights in church.

And just to help, we don't have a bouncing ball, either. Actually we don't have highlighted words, either. We just have the words on the jumbotrons ;)

[Razorbuck]

Some times I read y'alls posts and feel like Harry the Hermit Hayseed.

jumbotrons, light boards, big screens, bouncing balls, glass elevators, I am a Woman...

I haven't understood one single post on this thread. Reckon I need to get out more.

Or maybe not.

Love y'all anyway!

Razorbuck

[Tappanga]

Some times I read y'alls posts and feel like Harry the Hermit Hayseed.

jumbotrons, light boards, big screens, bouncing balls, glass elevators, I am a Woman...

I haven't understood one single post on this thread. Reckon I need to get out more.

Or maybe not.

Love y'all anyway!

Razorbuck



Hahahahahahaha! I go to a very large church, so the jumbotron is expected (we actually have three of them). Glass elevators, however, we do not have. Just one elevator and its hardly glass. ;)

[MrJim]

Alright enough ladies...

No it's not charismatic at all-sorry to toss a wet blanket on your theory :P

[JPPT1974]

Sorry Menno! Didn't mean to rain on your parade!:sorry: :sorry:

[MrJim]

Sorry Menno! Didn't mean to rain on your parade!:sorry: :sorry:

:P :hug:

[jusluvm]

Some times I read y'alls posts and feel like Harry the Hermit Hayseed.

jumbotrons, light boards, big screens, bouncing balls, glass elevators, I am a Woman...

I haven't understood one single post on this thread. Reckon I need to get out more.

Or maybe not.

Love y'all anyway!

Razorbuck

I'm with you, Razorbuck! What ever happened to the old Heavenly Highways hymnals? We've got a church full of 'em, all dog-eared and well used. :thumbsup:

[Razorbuck]

I'm with you, Razorbuck! What ever happened to the old Heavenly Highways hymnals? We've got a church full of 'em, all dog-eared and well used. :thumbsup:

AMEN!! We love the old Heavenly Highway Hymnals too!

Camping in Canaanland, I'll Meet you in the Morning...all the great old songs! Yahoooo!

Sorry folks, completely off-topic. :blush: (Got excited about a post I understood)

[MrJim]

Never heard of it but it sounds good!

Don't recognize the songs either...need to get out more...

[jusluvm]

Never heard of it but it sounds good!

Don't recognize the songs either...need to get out more...

Now that is sad! Yes, you need to get out more and talk to some old-timers. :D These hymnals are written with what they call "shaped notes" and they used them at "singing schools" when my Grandparents were young to teach them to read music. And harmonize!

Only the best of the old Gospel songs in that hymnal.

[aReformedPatriot]

But what about "I am a Woman" being sung by men???

AHHHHHHHHH it's in the hymnal!!

Lol, reminds me of the song "God of Earth and Outer Space" thats in the Baptist hymnal. But yea, yours takes the cake.

[arunma]

Lol, reminds me of the song "God of Earth and Outer Space" thats in the Baptist hymnal. But yea, yours takes the cake.

References to outer space in the hymns...that's just strange. I have enough trouble singing "God of Wonders Beyond our Galaxy." Why can't they just make hymns that a first century Christian would understand? :yawn:

[Iollain]

This is my favourite from the 'New Country - Old Baptist Hymnal:





Politically Uncorrect


I'm for the low man on the totem pole
And I'm for the underdog God bless his soul
And I'm for the guys still pulling third shift
And the single mom raisin' her kids
I'm for the preachers who stay on their knees
And I'm for the sinner who finally believes
And I'm for the farmer with dirt on his hands
And the soldiers who fight for this land

Chorus:

And I'm for the Bible and I'm for the flag
And I'm for the working man, me and ol' hag
I'm just one of many
Who can't get no respect
Politically uncorrect

(Merle Haggard)
I guess my opinion is all out of style
(Gretchen Wilson)
Aw, but don't get me started cause I can get riled
And I'll make a fight for the forefathers plan
(Merle Haggard)
And the world already knows where I stand

Repeat Chorus

(Merle Haggard)
Nothing wrong with the Bible, nothing wrong with the flag
(Gretchen Wilson)
Nothing wrong with the working man me & ol' hag
We're just some of many who can't get no respect
Politically uncorrect
(Merle Haggard)
Politically uncorrect







heh

[Iollain]

Yes i was kidding if anyone was wondering.

[MrJim]

This is my favourite from the 'New Country - Old Baptist Hymnal:





Politically Uncorrect


I'm for the low man on the totem pole
And I'm for the underdog God bless his soul
And I'm for the guys still pulling third shift
And the single mom raisin' her kids
I'm for the preachers who stay on their knees
And I'm for the sinner who finally believes
And I'm for the farmer with dirt on his hands
And the soldiers who fight for this land

Chorus:

And I'm for the Bible and I'm for the flag
And I'm for the working man, me and ol' hag
I'm just one of many
Who can't get no respect
Politically uncorrect

(Merle Haggard)
I guess my opinion is all out of style
(Gretchen Wilson)
Aw, but don't get me started cause I can get riled
And I'll make a fight for the forefathers plan
(Merle Haggard)
And the world already knows where I stand

Repeat Chorus

(Merle Haggard)
Nothing wrong with the Bible, nothing wrong with the flag
(Gretchen Wilson)
Nothing wrong with the working man me & ol' hag
We're just some of many who can't get no respect
Politically uncorrect
(Merle Haggard)
Politically uncorrect







heh

I ain't a flag waver, but Gretchen & Haggard are pretty cool.

Saw Haggard in concert with Barbara Mandrell when I was a kid. We go way back...nice to see he's still kickin' around.

[Iollain]

Nothin' wrong with old Hag.

[ChristianMountainGirl06]

I love that song, but I'm a Gretchen Wilson fan. *shrug*

[aReformedPatriot]

References to outer space in the hymns...that's just strange. I have enough trouble singing "God of Wonders Beyond our Galaxy." Why can't they just make hymns that a first century Christian would understand? :yawn:

Arunma, I am kinda dense, are you being facetious?

[constance]

Menno, I don't know that song. I wouldn't want to sing it either.

The sermon *I* had to listen to?

JESUS - The ULTIMATE Mother

(The sermon had nothing to do with the title)

[MrJim]

Menno, I don't know that song. I wouldn't want to sing it either.

The sermon *I* had to listen to?

JESUS - The ULTIMATE Mother

(The sermon had nothing to do with the title)

Hey Constance:wave:

The ULTIMATE Mother...then why did he use such a provocative title:scratch:

[constance]

Uh. I don't know why

SHE

used such a provacative title.

[Joykins]

Nothin' wrong with old Hag.

He was opening for Dylan...and I couldn't get tickets :cry:

[Joykins]

So did anyone sing Faith of Our Mothers last Sunday?

I didn't make it to church as I got called in to work :(

[Atlantians]

One of the people in my Church yelled out "Happy mother's day God."

I would rather sing "I am a Woman" then have that get amened.:doh:

Some people laughed, I don't think anyone said Amen to it, thank the Lord.

The Pastor did not rebuke it, but he did noticably make it a point in part of what he said later that God is the "Father to the fatherless."
Implying the fact that God reveals Himself in a masculin fassion.

[Iollain]

Actually, though i would not say, 'Happy Mother's Day' to the Creator........there are many verses that would apply to the motherlyness of God in the Scriptures. One example being a mother hen gathering her chicks under her wing.....also found this read here: http://clubs.calvin.edu/chimes/970418/o1041897.htm


God is also all in all, so He is not just 'male'....Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

I think it is also notable that the New Jerusalem is called the 'mother of us all.'

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

[ZiSunka]

God created us, he didn't "birth" us.

Saying "Happy Mother's Day God!" just shows how far afield some Christians have gotten toward goddess worship.

[ZiSunka]

Actually, though i would not say, 'Happy Mother's Day' to the Creator........there are many verses that would apply to the motherlyness of God in the Scriptures. One example being a mother hen gathering her chicks under her wing.....also found this read here: http://clubs.calvin.edu/chimes/970418/o1041897.htm


God is also all in all, so He is not just 'male'....Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

I think it is also notable that the New Jerusalem is called the 'mother of us all.'

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

I agree that God is non-gendered, fully female and fully male, but at the same time he is a nonsexual being (gender identity is about sexuality and God doesn't mate). His image allows us to be male and female in his image, but he is not gendered himself.

We humans keep trying to think of God as a cosmic human in the sky, but his nature is completely incomprehensible to humans. Our minds can't understand the nature of God, so we fill in the blanks by picturing a wise old man in the heavens somewhere.

[Iollain]

That's true Lambslove, when we think of the 'being in the sky' we can think of Jesus, He has seen the Father and is the image of the Father.

Jhn 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.




Jhn 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.


Jhn 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?


Jhn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.


Jhn 14:11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

[ZiSunka]

That's true Lambslove, when we think of the 'being in the sky' we can think of Jesus, He has seen the Father and is the image of the Father.

Jhn 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.




Jhn 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.


Jhn 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?


Jhn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.


Jhn 14:11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

But do you think that means that God is the spitting image of Christ? Does God look like a 30-something Jewish man?

God's nature isn't human at all. Christ was incarnated as a human, but he existed before he had a human body. Did he look like a 30-something Jewish man before he was born?

[Iollain]

Now that i a loaded question that i don't think we can answer.


Moses saw the back of God:

Exd 33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.


Exd 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.


Exd 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.


Exd 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, [there is] a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:


Exd 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:


Exd 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.



.....now i don't know but i would say He would have saw the face of Jesus, if He had shown Moses His face....

The Word, God the Son, did choose to forever be in the body of a man......now in His glorified state does He look like a Jewish man? Probably still does look the same in features......tis a mystery we'll have to wait to find out.

[ZiSunka]

Exd 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.


Pretty good evidence that God is not just a cosmic human. If looking at him would kill us, he doesn't look like a kindly old man or like George Burns or any other rendering of him that we can conjure up.

[Proud2bIntellectual]

I don't think she is the mother of God, after all, Jesus existed eons of time before Mary was even born; she gave birth to the human incarnation of God, but God did not originate with Mary.

I guess I'd be in favor of talking about Mary in the context of her motherhood, of the great thing she did by giving human life to our Lord through her body, even of what a great example she is of a good mother, but the minute she got called, "The Mother of God," I'd cringe and it would be all over for me.

Mary is the mother of the Christ, who was and is and will always be God, but she is not the mother of God.

Would be nice to hear more about her life (her real life, not the stuff about being born without sin and being "assumed" into heaven without dying and all. I guess I'm saying I'd be interested in her Biblical life and not her mythical life.

How is this possible? Jesus was God even while in Mary's womb and during and after His birth. Mary did not simply give birth to His human side only. No. She gave birth to His human and divine sides! You can't separate the two! So yes, Mary is the Mother of God and yes, God has existed from eternity to eternity. Kinda hard to wrap your mind around isn't it? ;) :P

[mesue]

How is this possible? Jesus was God even while in Mary's womb and during and after His birth. Mary did not simply give birth to His human side only. No. She gave birth to His human and divine sides! You can't separate the two! So yes, Mary is the Mother of God and yes, God has existed from eternity to eternity. Kinda hard to wrap your mind around isn't it? ;) :P
Hmm ...

[Proud2bIntellectual]

Hmm ...

What? :confused:

[Iollain]

How is this possible? Jesus was God even while in Mary's womb and during and after His birth. Mary did not simply give birth to His human side only. No. She gave birth to His human and divine sides! You can't separate the two! So yes, Mary is the Mother of God and yes, God has existed from eternity to eternity. Kinda hard to wrap your mind around isn't it?

Not really, Mary is the mother of God the Son, and God the Son has also grandparents, that go right back to Adam on His mother's side. And Adam was made from the dirt of the earth, and that same Word that made Adam from the dirt breathed life into Adam and he became a living soul. :)

[Proud2bIntellectual]

Not really, Mary is the mother of God the Son, and God the Son has also grandparents, that go right back to Adam on His mother's side. And Adam was made from the dirt of the earth, and that same Word that made Adam from the dirt breathed life into Adam and he became a living soul. :)

Yes, Mary is the mother of God the son but she is still mother of God son or not right? :confused:

[Iollain]

Yes, Mary is the mother of God the son but she is still mother of God son or not right? :confused:

Yes, she is the God-bearer, however i don't like to use the word without explaining the whole story out, least someone think that God the Creator of all came from Mary. He is Alpha and Omega, no beginning and no end.


*just trying to get my speakers out of this socket, something wrong with the sound*:doh:

[Proud2bIntellectual]

Yes, she is the God-bearer, however i don't like to use the word without explaining the whole story out, least someone think that God the Creator of all came from Mary. He is Alpha and Omega, no beginning and no end.


*just trying to get my speakers out of this socket, something wrong with the sound*:doh:

Ah okay I see what you mean and I understand why you would have such concerns. Thanks for explaining. :)

[Monica02]

But what about "I am a Woman" being sung by men???

AHHHHHHHHH it's in the hymnal!!

I am not familiar with this hymn.

[MrJim]

Uh. I don't know why

SHE

used such a provacative title.

SHE:eek: -a lady preacher...:doh: :doh: :doh:

[constance]

I thought you'd get a kick out of that. :)

[arunma]

I thought you'd get a kick out of that. :)

Yeah, there's still some orthodoxy left in good ol' Menno! :D

[MrJim]

Yeah, there's still some orthodoxy left in good ol' Menno! :D

:P Ain't you got a logarithm to work on or something?

[JPPT1974]

We just went to church as well as
Had dinner at my house
Nothing special just being with family
Though made it all special

[2Blessed2BStressed]

I agree, Mary should be recognized on Mother's Day. I wonder why many evangelicals are afraid of the term "Mother of God." Isn't Jesus God?

My pastor used the text of the angel's visit to Mary for his sermon on Mother's Day, which I thought was appropriate.

[elizabethevangeline]

We didn't talk about Mary, but our sermon was on the anonymous Canaanite mother with the demon-possessed daughter (Matt 15:21-28). I thought it was a very good choice. It illustrated how mothers will go to any length for their children.

At my parents Evangelical Free church the Mothers Day sermon was on Genesis 27 - Isaac blessing his sons.

Supposedly the focus was on parents blessing their children but I wondered how many mothers noticed/felt compared to the conniving actions of Rebekah more.

[ZiSunka]

At my parents Evangelical Free church the Mothers Day sermon was on Genesis 27 - Isaac blessing his sons.

Supposedly the focus was on parents blessing their children but I wondered how many mothers noticed/felt compared to the conniving actions of Rebekah more.

Weird!

You'd think he could find dozens of women from the Bible to use for his sermon, like Hannah or even the parts of Proverbs that talk about not embarassing your mom.

I suppose for father's day he'll talk about Jonah and the whale?

[ZiSunka]

Mary is the Theotokos... and the title Mother of God is proper, though Bearer of God is what Theotokos means. Same thing. To deny Mary was the mother of God is to deny the Incarnation.

The Word became Flesh. Mary was mother of that flesh. This makes her mother of the Word/God.

She's not in heaven floating around on some cloud. She is powerful in prayer... I mean, she is Christ's mother. All good sons listen to their mothers' requests.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Not only is it superfluous to pray to Mary, it is improper, since there is only one mediator between humans and God, and that is Jesus Christ. If you read the whooooole Bible, there is not one mention of Mary being a mediator or a recipient of prayer or of having any rights or powers beyond what other humans have.

We understand and aprreciate your position on the Mary thing, but we respectfully do not believe your position to be correct.