God forbids us to hate ANYTHING?

[ZiSunka]

Is there any Biblical truth to these two statements:

1. The Bible forbids us to hate anything.


2. Jesus declared war on humanity.

[RichardT]

Is there any Biblical truth to these two statements:

1. The Bible forbids us to hate anything.


2. Jesus declared war on humanity.

OF COURSE NOT.

[arunma]

Is there any Biblical truth to these two statements:

1. The Bible forbids us to hate anything.


2. Jesus declared war on humanity.

1. I am aware that the Bible tells us to abhor what is evil (in chapter 12 of Romans). So clearly this is false.

2. Jesus did declare war on the kingdom of Satan, which includes many humans. So I suppose this depends on whether "humanity" includes everyone, or only some (possibly many) people.

[MrJim]

Nope

Tell ya what I hate...

I hate liver and onions
I hate teaberry ice cream
I hate getting awakened early on a Saturday morning and then not going back to sleep
I hate the sound the car makes when something is broken
I hate seeing dead critters in the road
I hate seeing starving kids on TV, pedophiles, or anything about hurt/killed children

[arunma]

Just for reference, here's the verse I'm thinking of in which Jesus declares war on humanity:
From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. (Revelation 19:15)

[daveleau]

Is there any Biblical truth to these two statements:

1. The Bible forbids us to hate anything.
No. The Bible forbids us to hate people, not things. We can hate sin, but not people.


2. Jesus declared war on humanity.
No. Jesus came to save, not to make war, unless of course the denial of sin through salvation is a war against sin. But, that can not be warfare against humanity, because sin is not inherent in material. That would be a form of neoplatonism, which states matter is evil. Paul's teaching that the flesh is evil is a statement that the old self is sinful, not actual flesh and blood.

[graysparrow]

Just for reference, here's the verse I'm thinking of in which Jesus declares war on humanity:From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. (Revelation 19:15)


The sharp sword that comes from His mouth is Scripture, the Word of God.

Just my 2 cents

[CooL_Genesis]

Luke 14:26, KJV

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Does this mean that we are to hate each other? No, to me it means that we would have to be willing to give up EVERYTHING for Christ to be his disciple.

-Genesis

[daveleau]

Luke 14:26, KJV

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Does this mean that we are to hate each other? No, to me it means that we would have to be willing to give up EVERYTHING for Christ to be his disciple.

-Genesis

Well, the important thing is not what it means to you, but want the intended meaning is, as there is only 1 meaning in Scripture- the author's intended meaning. This "hate" is part of a figure of speech meaning "love less." We must love God above all things and all people- even our kids and our parents and our spouse. This not only fits with the rest of Scripture going back to Exodus 20, but also fits with historical study of figures of speech.

[Hisbygrace]

Is there any Biblical truth to these two statements:

1. The Bible forbids us to hate anything.


2. Jesus declared war on humanity.

NO!
The Bible tells us to hate sin as God does.
Jesus came to save humanity.

[MrJim]

... I hate ice storms when the ice is built up over the door handle and you try to chip through it but break part of the door handle off and you have to climb through the other side and hit your knee on the edge of the door and so ya just get madder 'cause if ya just waited a little bit the ice woulda thawed and ya can't drive anyway 'cause the streets are covered in ice. I hate not having patience.

[CooL_Genesis]

Well, the important thing is not what it means to you, but want the intended meaning is, as there is only 1 meaning in Scripture- the author's intended meaning.

Really? So why do we have so many different denominations of Christians who differ upon their interpretation of scripture? Do they all not read the same Scriptures?

I took this passage to mean a particular thing and you're basically telling me that what I feel or has been revealed to me about this passage does not matter? No offense but, when it comes to the word of God, what I read and what is revealed to me through prayer and by the Holy Spirit is what I believe.

Some other verses that pertain to Luke 14:26;

Luke 14:33
So likewise, whosoever be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 19:27-29
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye shall also sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

I believe I took the aforementioned passage to mean what it does. Tis why I'm non-denominational. Man's interpretation and the Holy Spirit's interpretation are different. I'll listen to the Holy Spirit.

-Genesis

[ZiSunka]

... I hate ice storms when the ice is built up over the door handle and you try to chip through it but break part of the door handle off and you have to climb through the other side and hit your knee on the edge of the door and so ya just get madder 'cause if ya just waited a little bit the ice woulda thawed and ya can't drive anyway 'cause the streets are covered in ice. I hate not having patience.

^_^ ^_^

[MrJim]

Really? So why do we have so many different denominations of Christians who differ upon their interpretation of scripture? Do they all not read the same Scriptures?

I took this passage to mean a particular thing and you're basically telling me that what I feel or has been revealed to me about this passage does not matter? No offense but, when it comes to the word of God, what I read and what is revealed to me through prayer and by the Holy Spirit is what I believe.

Some other verses that pertain to Luke 14:26;

Luke 14:33
So likewise, whosoever be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 19:27-29
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye shall also sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

I believe I took the aforementioned passage to mean what it does. Tis why I'm non-denominational. Man's interpretation and the Holy Spirit's interpretation are different. I'll listen to the Holy Spirit.

-Genesis

:D
Genesis has a good point...Dave?

[daveleau]

Really? So why do we have so many different denominations of Christians who differ upon their interpretation of scripture? Do they all not read the same Scriptures?

I took this passage to mean a particular thing and you're basically telling me that what I feel or has been revealed to me about this passage does not matter? No offense but, when it comes to the word of God, what I read and what is revealed to me through prayer and by the Holy Spirit is what I believe.

Some other verses that pertain to Luke 14:26;

Luke 14:33
So likewise, whosoever be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 19:27-29
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye shall also sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

I believe I took the aforementioned passage to mean what it does. Tis why I'm non-denominational. Man's interpretation and the Holy Spirit's interpretation are different. I'll listen to the Holy Spirit.

-Genesis


It can be dangerous to forsake scholarship for personal interpretation. Likewise, it can be dangerous to forsake the Holy Spirit when studying. Both go hand in hand. But, multiple interpretations are not all equal. This is the essence of existentialism and is not considered to be orthodox by most congregations. This existentialism- or a verse means different things to different people- is what led to the divisions. Each group has errors. The key today is to forsake tradition and preconceived thought (other than the inerrancy of Scripture and that Christ is the Messiah). We have to learn from past mistakes- such as personal interpretations. This does not mean that personal application is wrong. The one meaning of Scripture, the author's intended meaning, can be applied to many situations correctly. But, different meanings other than those intended is very dangerous.

The reason there are so many congregations in the Christian Church is because of two things:
1- incorrect theology causing schisms in the church
2- differences in the desired way of worship

The latter is a huge problem, but there is plenty of room for there to be different types of worship. The Gospels attribute to this flexibility as the same Truth is applied in different ways to the Jews in Matthew, the Gentiles in Luke, specifically the Romans in Mark and universally in John.

Neglecting the history behind a passage leads to serious problems. The above statement that we are to hate our parents, if taken literally, refutes the 10 Commandments which says we must honor our parents and Proverbs that tells us to love and respect our parents. Likewise, Matthew tells us to love everyone. So, by your interpretation if you are right, there is a direct contradiction in Scripture and it is not inerrant. I cannot accept that because I believe Scripture is the Word of God. If the Word of God is fallible and in error, then God can make mistakes. In looking at the history, it is plain that the word "hate" is a figure of speech indicating "love less than." Thus, this is a better interpretation and the literal interpretation is a poorer one.

Do you thing the Scriptures are inerrant, and if so, how do you refute the contradiction that you have placed into Scripture through your interpretation? Do you hate your parents?

God bless you, my brother,
Dave

[CooL_Genesis]

Luke 14:26, KJV

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Does this mean that we are to hate each other? No, to me it means that we would have to be willing to give up EVERYTHING for Christ to be his disciple.

-Genesis

I never said anything about one hating their parents. :( If you'll reread my original response, you'll see that. I said, one must be willing to give up everything or hate the things of this world to follow Christ. The world and the things therein are for the here and now... but Christ is Everlasting!

I never look at a verse in and of itself. I read what surrounds it and what other verses I can find that determine it's meaning. The other verses I provided reflect why I believe this verse says what it does. I don't need a "scholared" man to tell me what I can read for myself. However, I do need the Holy Spirit to help me decipher the Word of God.

A parable or even a story wouldn't be a parable or a story without the entire parable or story, from begining... to end.

Peace be with you,

-Genesis

[mlqurgw]

Psa 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Psa 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.


Deu 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:

Deu 7:23 But the LORD thy God shall deliver them unto thee, and shall destroy them with a mighty destruction, until they be destroyed.

[daveleau]

My apologies, Genesis. You are right on the money.

Mat 5:43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

[arunma]

So from Ron's Scriptures, it's clear that we may hate God's enemies. And from Dave's Scriptures, we know that we must love our enemies. Here's the part that confuses me. If we are to love our enemies, that doesn't really leave us with many people left to hate (except those who claim to love God but hate us).

[ZiSunka]

So from Ron's Scriptures, it's clear that we may hate God's enemies. And from Dave's Scriptures, we know that we must love our enemies. Here's the part that confuses me. If we are to love our enemies, that doesn't really leave us with many people left to hate (except those who claim to love God but hate us).

It's possible to love and hate someone at the same time.

It's possible to hate someone, but still determine to act in loving ways, even if your feelings don't make you want to. Love, as portrayed in the Bible, isn't a feeling, it's a determination to do good for someone. Hate in the Bible isn't an emotion, it is a determination to not let evil people hurt other people. By determining to not let the evil person go unchecked, we show love not only to the evil person's victims, but to the evil person himself. It would be much more unloving to just ignore the evil person or to do nothing for the people being hurt.

[daveleau]

LL, that makes a lot more sense- the idea that hate is not the emotion-based issue I have been taking it as. I will have to chew on this for a while, and do some research.

[JPPT1974]

LL, that makes a lot more sense- the idea that hate is not the emotion-based issue I have been taking it as. I will have to chew on this for a while, and do some research.

Tell me about it as I have to do research as well
I think we all should do some research!
If you ask me!:thumbsup:

[ZiSunka]

I think we can all agree that God is not capable of senseless hostility, or selfish emotions, or uncontrolled wrath or fury, but the Bible says he does hate some things and some people, so our definition of hate must not be right. It must be detached from the human emotion we call hate.

Likewise, if love is always a feeling of mushy affection, then we can't possibly love our children while we are spanking them.

Love is the determination to do good for someone else, and hate is the determination to NOT accept evil, just as practiced by God throughout the Bible, and has nothing to do with feelings at all. Thus God can love and hate without being out of control or unreasonable.

[MrJim]

...and I hate overcooked broccoli and cauliflower and I hate it when it I'm driving somewhere and I go to get my cell phone but instead I left it in the other car because my memory is failing as I get older and I hate that too.

[ZiSunka]

...and I hate overcooked broccoli and cauliflower and I hate it when it I'm driving somewhere and I go to get my cell phone but instead I left it in the other car because my memory is failing as I get older and I hate that too.

Yeah, wait until you are 48. It gets much worse.^_^

[meowmie]

Is there any Biblical truth to these two statements:

1. The Bible forbids us to hate anything.


2. Jesus declared war on humanity.
NOT TRUE!! The Bible even says that God loved Jacob but hated Essau.

[MrJim]

...and I hate it when people don't clean up after their dogs (another good reason for cats) and I hate when I forget there is a piece of pie in the fridge but I forget it's in there 'cause it's behind some casserole dish and then something else gets put in the way and next thing you know it's some weeks later and it's found and good pie has gone bad-I hate that.

Hey, meowmie, thanks for resurrecting the "hate" thread!

[Crazy Liz]

Well, the important thing is not what it means to you, but want the intended meaning is, as there is only 1 meaning in Scripture- the author's intended meaning.
Really? I think you'll find this principle not true for the majority OT quotations found in the gospels.

[ZiSunka]

NOT TRUE!! The Bible even says that God loved Jacob but hated Essau.

It even says God decided which one to love and which one to hate even before they were born and had a chance to sin. (Romans 9)

It says God did this not to punish Esau, but so that God's purpose might be completed in Jacob. Certainly Jacob didn't sin less than Esau, and Jacob wasn't more faithful to God than Esau, yet God loved Jacob and hated Esau even before they were born.

[arunma]

It even says God decided which one to love and which one to hate even before they were born and had a chance to sin. (Romans 9)

It says God did this not to punish Esau, but so that God's purpose might be completed in Jacob. Certainly Jacob didn't sin less than Esau, and Jacob wasn't more faithful to God than Esau, yet God loved Jacob and hated Esau even before they were born.

Of course, this makes perfect sense to a Calvinist! ;)

[MrJim]

Of course, this makes perfect sense to a Calvinist! ;)

:doh: :doh: :doh:

[SonOfThunder]

Mat 5:44 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat005.html#44) But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Luk 6:27 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Luk/Luk006.html#27) But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,


I think that is clear.................

James

[JPPT1974]

Thanks for the reminder Sons of Thunder!:amen:

[Erinwilcox]

It even says God decided which one to love and which one to hate even before they were born and had a chance to sin. (Romans 9)

It says God did this not to punish Esau, but so that God's purpose might be completed in Jacob. Certainly Jacob didn't sin less than Esau, and Jacob wasn't more faithful to God than Esau, yet God loved Jacob and hated Esau even before they were born.

This is really a great post and I really wish that you had a rep button.

Also, I think that while we are not to hate the lost (we are to share the Good News with them), we can hate their sin. God is holy. God hates sin.

At the same time, we are not to think that God is just some big, fluffy teddy bear (and I say this reverently) who just loves everybody.

Psa 7:11 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa007.html#11) God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry [with the wicked] every day.

God is a just God, as He is a merciful God. I think that, humanly speaking, a good balance is needed between loving the sinner but hating the sin. If we never tell anyone that their deeds are wicked, then how will they know that their wicked deeds are damning them? How will they know that they need to be saved? Saved from what? Without an understanding of sin, nobody can be saved because a man who thinks that he is sinless will not see his need of a being saved. As Jesus said, He came not to save the righteous, but sinners.

[GordonSlocum]

Is there any Biblical truth to these two statements:

1. The Bible forbids us to hate anything.


2. Jesus declared war on humanity.


No we are not to hate, because hate is the root cause of murder. Actually, Jesus said hate is murder in the heart. We also need to distinguish between hate (murder) and killing (justified killing) there is a difference. We will leave that for later. Perhaps it will or already is a topic somewhere on this forum.

Did Jesus declare war on humanity? In a spiritual way of thinking yes. Jesus said, paraphrasing, I din not come to create peace but a sword. The Grace or God represented in the Gospel and experience by all true born again believers works for conflict and war. I personally believe that all war is a result of the activity of Satan against God.

God Bless
Gordon

[ZiSunka]

No we are not to hate, because hate is the root cause of murder. Actually, Jesus said hate is murder in the heart. We also need to distinguish between hate (murder) and killing (justified killing) there is a difference. We will leave that for later. Perhaps it will or already is a topic somewhere on this forum.

So God sins when he says he hates Esau? God sins when he says he hates the unrighteous?

[JPPT1974]

I find it hard to love our enemies
Even if we don't feel like it
But I am reminded to love our enemies
Despite feeling that they don't deserve it
Why? Because that is what our Lord Jesus Christ did!