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Pray4Isrel

11th December 2002, 10:14 PM

Has anyone noticed over the most recent years the rise of anti-semitism in the world?  Now I know that it's never really gone away because God's Chosen always seem to have an enemy that want to annihilate them (think Pharoah, Babylon, Holocaust, etc.).  But do you see a scary uprising of anti-semitism?  Or do you feel that it is not an issue any longer? 

Having traveled to a few countries, I have noticed this in many different areas amongst many different people groups.  But what about the USA?  Do you see any anti-semitic attitudes forming?

And what are your thoughts on anti-semitism in this "era"?  What's to come?  What could happen?

   

SonWorshipper

12th December 2002, 02:34 AM

Yes, I especially see Anti-Messianic Believer-ism if that is a word? ON the rise AND by some of the members of this site. I believe that Israel will soon come into her own and that is why Satan is beefing up the percecution of the woman again, and he will turn on those that support her too, so I say it's best to stay dressed ( In the Full Armor of God of course!) :)

dignitized

13th December 2002, 12:34 AM

The world has always hated the Nation of Israel. Its nothing new and its not on the rise cause it never went down :)

aggie03

13th December 2002, 12:57 PM

I haven't noticed a rise of anti-semitism in the area that I'm from, and there hasn't been anything on the news that I've caught either, though I don't watch the news much and I haven't been looking for any clues considering that area.

I have noticed, however, an increase in the number of people who no longer fear God or refuse to acknowledge His existence. This may be an isolated incident in the area that I live, or it may be something that I'm misconstruing due to the recent events of my life.

If you want to consider that anti-semitic, then my answer would be yes. These individuals seem to have a loathing regarding any who believe in a higher power, so really I see a rise in idolotry. Thoughts?

dignitized

13th December 2002, 04:19 PM

I guess since we have the Largest Jewish community out side of Israel here in Pittsburgh we have a different take perspective on the issue. Lets put it this way - there is a menorah on the steps of city hall that the ACLU would not dare bring a suit against. :D They are fighting the display of the only replica of the Vatican Nativity being displayed here on PRITAVE property by a PRIVATE coalition because its in a prominent location where the public can see it!! :eek:

Noa

13th December 2002, 09:26 PM

Overhere a lots of Jewish graves are damaged. People are looking very strange (sometimes a bit agressive) at me when they see I´m wearing a Magen Dawid.

I don´t care. Antisemitism always exists and always will be until Yeshua´s Return :bow: :pink:

Pray4Isrel

13th December 2002, 11:28 PM

That's so sad about the graves, Noa.

I think there are many many signs of anti-semitism that we all have become numb to. By sharing what we know we can keep others be aware and pray that it can be stopped (as well as all other forms of prejudism).

Phoebe Ann

14th December 2002, 01:57 AM

FYI, I am a white anglo-saxon heterosexual Protestsant. I am opposed to racism and anti-Semitism among other things. I think anti-semitism may be on the rise in the United States. People are being sucked into false teachings by British-Israelism groups.

An example:

Just as the doctrine of the preexistence is integrally related in Mormon theology with racism,20 so the doctrine of the preexistence is used in Shepherd's Chapel theology as a foundation for racist opposition to ethnic Jews. Murray's doctrine, which is similar to the Christian Identity movement, contends that caucasians of Anglo-Saxon, northern European descent who are followers of Murray are the ten lost tribes of Israel, and that the Jews are descendents of the offspring of Satan and Eve. The remainder of this section will analyze the various components of the racist ideology of the Shepherd's Chapel.
Serpent Seed — A follower of Murray who writes under the pseudonym "Bruiser" clearly summarizes the Serpent Seed doctrine proclaimed by Murray and his students:

The serpent seed doctrine consists of the belief, that satan [sic] (personified as a serpent) inseminated Eve, with more than knowledge of good and evil. That his insemination of her was spiritual and physical. That the twins she carried to term were fathered by two different beings. That Abel, was sired by Adam, and Cain was sired by satan [sic]. That Cain's progeny continued, and associated at various times, with the children of Adam throughout history. That Cain's progeny infiltrated and mingled in with the Israelites, and garnered high positions in leadership and in religious service. That the damning words of our Lord concerning the children of satan [sic], His parable of the tares, and the repeated mention of the synagogue of satan [sic], point to more than a "spiritual" allegory. That the lineage of satan [sic] was, and is, alive and well among the children of Israel, of whom at present consist of both the Jewish and Christian peoples, whether by lineage or adoption.21
Note that not only do Murray's students believe that Jews are physically the children of Satan, but they also believe that people can become children of Satan through adoption into a Jewish or Christian family, or through conversion into these religions. Murray states the importance of this teaching for his followers: "Of what use is this knowledge to us? Because as Satan seduced Eve physically to accomplish an earthly impregnation he strives daily to spiritually impregnate those Children of God who know His truth."22
Interestingly, this author first learned about Bruiser's essay from a student of Murray who advised that he read this as evidence that Murray and his followers DO NOT teach that the Jews are children of Satan.23 Unfortunately, as in many false Christian groups, many individuals claim to be students of Murray without actually paying attention to his heretical teachings.

British Israelism — Murray's British Israelite theology is somewhat different from standard British Israelism. Murray teaches, as do most British Israelites, that the people of Anglo-Saxon descent are the physical descendents of "the same tribes [i.e., the northern ten tribes of Israel] that later went north and populated Europe and North America."24 Contrary to some of these teachers, however, Murray traces the different races to Adamic creation in the book of Genesis. He claims that the British Israelites were the Adam created in Genesis 2, while the other, inferior races were the first Adam created in Genesis 1.25

Kenites — The Kenites are the direct physical descendents of Satan and Eve, through Cain (the dual lineage of divine and human makes them "hybrids"26]. The Kenites are alive today, faithfully serving their father the Devil.27

Murray is surprisingly open about the Jewish identity of the Kenites. He claims, "Now who stands in Jerusalem today…the sons of Cain, or those who will not accept Jesus Christ…the Kenites, that founded a new nation starting in 1948."28 Oropeza notes that Murray calls the Kenites "scum" and makes the stereotypical racial allusion to the Jewish businessperson when he claims, "If you want to get a Kenite upset, bother his money table."29

target=_blank>http://www.watchman.org/profile/murraypro.htm (http://www.watchman.org/profile/murraypro.htm) 
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"We cannot change what happened anymore. The only thing we can do is to learn from the past and to realize what discrimination and persecution of innocent people means. I believe that it’s everyone’s responsibility to fight prejudice."
- Otto Frank

Pray4Isrel

14th December 2002, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by GodsWordisTrue
FYI, I am a white anglo-saxon heterosexual Protestsant. I am opposed to racism and anti-Semitism among other things. I think anti-semitism may be on the rise in the United States. People are being sucked into false teachings by British-Israelism groups.

An example:


_________________
"We cannot change what happened anymore. The only thing we can do is to learn from the past and to realize what discrimination and persecution of innocent people means. I believe that it’s everyone’s responsibility to fight prejudice."
- Otto Frank

So true.  You hit on one of the key points here and the article you posted proves this.  Quite evil the way man has conjured up ways to allow hatred for certain people groups.

dignitized

14th December 2002, 01:57 PM

Gods word: are you endorsing or condemning the quote you have given?

Pray4Isrel

14th December 2002, 04:32 PM

He called them false teachings.

Noa

14th December 2002, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Pray4Isrel
That's so sad about the graves, Noa.

I think there are many many signs of anti-semitism that we all have become numb to. By sharing what we know we can keep others be aware and pray that it can be stopped (as well as all other forms of prejudism).

Amen :pink:

Matthew9:9

14th December 2002, 10:56 PM

I don't believe that the sentiment is on the rise, but I do believe that anti-semitic rhetoric and activity is on the rise. Not so much in the USA, but in a major way in Europe, especially France.

Here are some articles: (I'm having trouble formatting these links, though!)


www.thejewishpress.com/news_article.asp?article=1453 (http://www.thejewishpress.com/news_article.asp?article=1453)

www.theopinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95001818 (http://www.theopinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95001818) 

www.theguardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,685552,00.html (http://www.theguardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,685552,00.html)

 
www.washtimes.com/world/20020422-41009042.htm (http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020422-41009042.htm)

 
http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=290637

 
www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=186244&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0 (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=186244&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0)

Pray4Isrel

17th December 2002, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by Matthew9:9
I don't believe that the sentiment is on the rise, but I do believe that anti-semitic rhetoric and activity is on the rise. Not so much in the USA, but in a major way in Europe, especially France.

Here are some articles: (I'm having trouble formatting these links, though!)



www.thejewishpress.com/news_article.asp?article=1453 (http://www.thejewishpress.com/news_article.asp?article=1453)

www.theopinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95001818 (http://www.theopinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95001818) 

www.theguardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,685552,00.html (http://www.theguardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,685552,00.html)



www.washtimes.com/world/20020422-41009042.htm (http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020422-41009042.htm)



http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=290637


www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=186244&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0 (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=186244&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0) 
Very true... And thanks for the links!

TheBear

17th December 2002, 12:47 AM

I don't personally notice any rise in anti-semitism. What I do see, is people, including myself, re-thinking the US support of Israel at any cost scenario. For years, I just blindly went along with the program. Not anymore. I see the US playing double standards when it comes to Middle East policies. I see the media, by and large, slanting stories and biasing reports in favor of Israel.

But, that is not anti-semitism.

Matthew9:9

17th December 2002, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by TheBear
I don't personally notice any rise in anti-semitism. What I do see, is people, including myself, re-thinking the US support of Israel at any cost scenario. For years, I just blindly went along with the program. Not anymore. I see the US playing double standards when it comes to Middle East policies. I see the media, by and large, slanting stories and biasing reports in favor of Israel.

But, that is not anti-semitism.

Every report by every major media outlet except Fox News portrays the Israelis as monsters and the Palistinians as gentle innocent lambs.

And if you see a double standard in the Middle East because we support the only Democracy in the region against an enemy with no claim to the land, an enemy that deliberately targets schoolchildren and the elderly, then you have more serious problems with perception than you let on.

 

 

TheBear

17th December 2002, 01:11 AM

Hey, I'm just telling ya what I see and what I don't see. I could list a slew of specific double standard policies, but that would have nothing to do with this thread. Perhaps we could start another thread on that. :)

Matthew9:9

17th December 2002, 01:17 AM

Here is some info, "TheBear."

http://world.std.com/~camera/docs/pr/nprstudypr.html
http://www.jpost.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/Full&cid=1021813237423
http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson050702.asp
http://www.senate.gov/~inhofe/fl030402.html
http://www.khouse.org/strategictrends/jerusalem/20020521-382.html
http://freeman.io.com/m_online/apr02/safire.htm
http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=105001943
http://world.std.com/~camera/docs/backg/rret.html

TheBear

17th December 2002, 02:58 AM

Thanks for the links, "Matthew 9:9".

Here are some for you. :)

http://www.naplesnews.com/02/04/florida/d577992a.htm

http://www.zmag.org/fisk14.htm

http://www.8thdaycenter.org/031502.html

http://www.oppression.org/americas/us_reporting.html

http://www.americanfreepress.net/08_22_01/Today_s_Media_World_Dominated_/today_s_media_world_dominated_.html

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/1993/110/110p7.htm

It appears that there are biased reporting on all sides. CNN is even said to have drastically changed their policy to pro-Israel reporting. (This, from a Jewish webpage.)

I believe we are hijacking this thread, at this point. Let's get back on topic.

Have I noticed a recent rise in anti-semitism? No.

Pray4Isrel

17th December 2002, 11:07 AM

As it has been my husbands' and my ministry to bridge the gap between Jews and Christians, I definitely see the media slant.
Having a heart for Israel and the Jewish people and having been there to study and to do missionary work, I have come to realize the importance of Israel in God's plan. Israel rightfully belongs to the Jews.
I could tell stories here of experiences I've had in Israel that could really change the way people view Israel and the Jewish people.

I have noticed in my travels to foreign countries the rise of anti-semitism. I am starting to see it here is the States and it is frankly scary because most people don't realize what true anti-semitism is.

Now more than ever we need to support Israel no matter what the cost. And I would be one to do what it takes on my part to defend this small piece of land in the Middle East.

I find it to be helpful when people can gain a perspective on Israel away from the media. Also, ask someone who's been there... I assure you the stories vary from the Pro-Palestinian media.

SonWorshipper

17th December 2002, 06:05 PM

If you haven't noticed a rise then either #1.you aren't looking or #2.you aren't concerned. 

 

 I just finished an article that speaks of just this thing and also lists a few sites that go at length on the European "Squeeze"  (my terminology.) ;)  EU bans on Kosher slaughter and Anti-Semitisim on the rise (http://www.churchquest.com/thread.php?id=2437)

Matthew9:9

17th December 2002, 06:17 PM

Now, I'm of two minds about the issue of Kosher slaughter.

On the one hand, it's very important to Observant Jews.

But on the other hand, nowhere in the Bible is such a method of slaughter outlined. Jews are told not to eat blood. How do I avoid this? I have my meat well-done.

And, if this method of slaughter is less humane than others (and yes, I've heard from the shochets on this, but the fact is that the animal hangs upside down, has its throat cut, and it bleeds to death in terror.) than is it really anti-Semitic to try to stop it?

Am I being anti-African when I say that I want female genital mutilation to stop?

P.S. - No I'm not a vegetarian or a Liberal. 

Pray4Isrel

17th December 2002, 07:31 PM

Ok, so let's analyze this here: (sorry, I kinda sound like a teacher, but I am really interested in your opinions!)

What defines anti-semitic actions?

Because son and melly, you both have a good point here.

Blindfaith

17th December 2002, 07:54 PM

I don't have any specifics for you, but I believe that anti-semitism is on the rise.  Slowly here in the states and very subtle, and it seems to be rising a little more aggressively in Europe.

Is that surprising?  Heck no.

btw ~ who was the idiot that blamed the Jews for 9/11 happening?  That was about the dumbest thing I had ever heard.  To me, that's an example of anti-semitism.

Wasn't there another report about Jews drinking blood?  Who was that by?  The person(s) accusing the Jews of this of course know that would be extremely offensive.

I apologize for not having the sources or links to this.  Any help would be great. :)

~Peace in Christ

Matthew9:9

17th December 2002, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by blindfaith
Wasn't there another report about Jews drinking blood?  Who was that by?  The person(s) accusing the Jews of this of course know that would be extremely offensive. 

 

In the Middle Ages, many Jews were murdered by Christians because of what we now call the Blood Libel. Christians of the time taught that Jews kidnapped Christian children and killed them so that they could either drink their blood, or use their blood to make Matza for Passover. Of course, those peasants must have forgotten that the Torah forbids the consumption of blood. 

The blood libel is still believed by many Muslims in the Middle East.

 

dignitized

18th December 2002, 01:23 AM

:shrug: Christians were accused of killing babies and drinking blood also. It seems to be a favorite tool of the devil to use on those of weak minds. :sigh:

SonWorshipper

18th December 2002, 02:17 AM

Actually the not drinking of blood law was given to Noah so I feel it applies to all mankind, but that's another thread~ ;)

Pray4Isrel

18th December 2002, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by blindfaith
I don't have any specifics for you, but I believe that anti-semitism is on the rise.  Slowly here in the states and very subtle, and it seems to be rising a little more aggressively in Europe.

Is that surprising?  Heck no.

btw ~ who was the idiot that blamed the Jews for 9/11 happening?  That was about the dumbest thing I had ever heard.  To me, that's an example of anti-semitism.

Wasn't there another report about Jews drinking blood?  Who was that by?  The person(s) accusing the Jews of this of course know that would be extremely offensive.

I apologize for not having the sources or links to this.  Any help would be great. :)

~Peace in Christ

The 9-11 story is a good example.  Many people immediately after finding out that the hijackers were Arab started to verbally attack the Israelis by saying that if Israel would just give up their land to the Palestinians, 9-11 would not have happened.  Ludicrous! 

Pray4Isrel

18th December 2002, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by Matthew9:9
 

In the Middle Ages, many Jews were murdered by Christians because of what we now call the Blood Libel. Christians of the time taught that Jews kidnapped Christian children and killed them so that they could either drink their blood, or use their blood to make Matza for Passover. Of course, those peasants must have forgotten that the Torah forbids the consumption of blood. 

The blood libel is still believed by many Muslims in the Middle East.

 

Yes, that truly happened.  Jews were looked upon as thieves, outcasts, murderers, "dirty", etc.  This evil mindset amongst the gentiles ushered in the holocaust.  They were already wanting to eliminate the Jews so when Hitler came along, so many eagerly followed.  Sick.

A good book I'd recommend about the history of anti-semitism as well as future anti-semitism is "Final Dawn Over Jerusalem".

And Muslims still believe this yes.  In fact I remember reading a recent article about this... Oh, where was that article at....  

Matthew9:9

18th December 2002, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by Pray4Isrel
The 9-11 story is a good example.  Many people immediately after finding out that the hijackers were Arab started to verbally attack the Israelis by saying that if Israel would just give up their land to the Palestinians, 9-11 would not have happened.  Ludicrous! 

 

Even worse, my friend! Some people started claiming that Israel knew about the plan to hijack the planes but didn't warn the U.S. These conspiracy theorists then go on to claim that the Mossad called every Jew who worked in the World Trade Center to tell them to stay home that day. Of course, the one fact that these conspiracy theorists overlook is the fact that many Jews died in the attack that day.

You can see some of these claims in the "poem" titled Somebody Blew up America written by New Jersey's "poet laureate," Amiri Baraka. Click this link for the whole peice of garbage poem and see if you can even understand its atrocious use of the English language - http://www.cultural-expressions.com/poetry/somebodyblewupamerica.htm

Or, even better, read this great National Review debunking of the "poem" - http://www.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshire101102.asp

 

 

 

 

dignitized

19th December 2002, 01:06 AM

thats total BS. The palestinian problem is the UN's fault NOT Israels. Israel wanted to work with the palestinian arabs to build a country together.

Pray4Isrel

19th December 2002, 01:25 PM

Matthew9:9,

Heh, I couldn't get past the first half of that poem because the grammar was so bad!!! :eek:

I think it's atrocious. Hopefully people can see the ignorance behind such a thing, but I guess the scary part is that some people really do feel this way.

dignitized

19th December 2002, 04:55 PM

Its sad the Hate and depravity people will perpetrate in the name of a loving God.

Blindfaith

19th December 2002, 04:58 PM

I agree fully 100%.

But, have peace because one day they'll be facing God and having to come up with their reasoning.

dignitized

19th December 2002, 05:03 PM

blind faith: Oh I have peace cause I know that no matter what others think - God is in control of things :) We will all have to make account for what we have done in this life with, to, and for His Son Jesus. :D

Martin

20th December 2002, 11:47 AM

I've heard the teaching that Jesus will not return until the Jews recognise who He was, and call for His return proclaiming "Blessed is He who comes in the name of The Lord" (the teaching from the Bible - New and Old Testaments - behind this short sentence is long buit none the less very interesting and revealing).

As such, if the enemy can destroy all the Jews, there will be no Jew to proclaim who Jesus was/is and call for His return. As such, Jesus will not return and Satan will have won. That is why there is so much anti-semitism, the Holocaust, the Islamic opposition, etc. The issue is spiritual.

Pray4Isrel

20th December 2002, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by Martin
I've heard the teaching that Jesus will not return until the Jews recognise who He was, and call for His return proclaiming "Blessed is He who comes in the name of The Lord" (the teaching from the Bible - New and Old Testaments - behind this short sentence is long buit none the less very interesting and revealing).

As such, if the enemy can destroy all the Jews, there will be no Jew to proclaim who Jesus was/is and call for His return. As such, Jesus will not return and Satan will have won. That is why there is so much anti-semitism, the Holocaust, the Islamic opposition, etc. The issue is spiritual.

Yes, this is true but very few actually realize this. 

I agree: The issue is 100% spiritual.

The connection I was trying to make here is that this anti-semitism we are all discussing is spiritually rooted.  Satan hates God's chosen and has always wreaked havoc on them because of how crucial the Jews are to the function of this world.  It sounds a little strange, but when we study Bible prophecy we see the important role Israel and the Jewish people play.  We can then understand why the Destroyer has perpetually tried to annihilate them.

Anti-semitism is on the rise and Satan is using it more cunningly and subtle than ever.

Pray4Isrel

26th December 2002, 11:24 PM

We all must be cautious not to fall prey to anti-semitic thinking. I can't tell you how many experiences I have had with anti-semitic individuals.

Now what about a reverse role? Has anyone seen "anti-gentile" approaches? What do you all think about this?

Kind of like what I talked about in the thread called "The Great Divide"... it seems the Enemy wishes for us all to be at odds against one another...

I am so grateful that we all serve the same Messiah. Now why can't we all see this truth?