Do Messianic Jews Believe in the Trinity?

[Mathetes the kerux]

Just a question . . . I have heard from a few different sources that most messianic Jews do NOT believe in the Doctrine of the Trinity.:scratch:
I wasn't sure so i figure the best place to ask is at the source.
If you are a messianic Jew and have insight into this please respond.:confused:

Mathetes

[stone]

of course we do

and i am a messianic gentile, i think.. hehe

[plum]

In order to be a member of this forum, wear the scroll icon, and post here freely, we must adhere to rule 6 and declare that we support the Scriptures and statements made in the Nicene Creed.

Some Messianic (ethnic) Jews believe in the Truth of the triune nature of G-d and some do not. It's really quite simple on the surface while the undercurrent may be confusing.

[Mathetes the kerux]

In order to be a member of this forum, wear the scroll icon, and post here freely, we must adhere to rule 6 and declare that we support the Scriptures and statements made in the Nicene Creed.

Some Messianic (ethnic) Jews believe in the Truth of the triune nature of G-d and some do not. It's really quite simple on the surface while the undercurrent may be confusing.

The way I understood it was that moving from a fiercely monotheistic view of G-d (;) ) as an indivisible Divine Monad (Dynamic Monarchiansim), to a pluralistic concept of monotheism, is hard. Therefore making it hard for alot of messianic Jews to "buy into" the Trinity.

Regardless of the statement of doctrinal unity with CF alot of people post anyway.

Any thoughts anybody?

Mathetes

[christianmomof3]

The way I understood it was that moving from a fiercely monotheistic view of G-d (;) ) as an indivisible Divine Monad (Dynamic Monarchiansim), to a pluralistic concept of monotheism, is hard. Therefore making it hard for alot of messianic Jews to "buy into" the Trinity.

Regardless of the statement of doctrinal unity with CF alot of people post anyway.

Any thoughts anybody?

Mathetes
Actually, for me, the only thing I got out of being Jewish was that if God did exist, there was only one of Him. Therefore, when I became a born-again Christian, I accepted the triune God, because to me that was still one God, whereas if one does not accept that God is triune, then they must be tritheistic praying to three Gods or praying to Jesus even though they don't think He is God, which to me seems blasphemous because I think you should only pray to God (I could never be Catholic and pray to or through Mary and Saints).
So to me, the fact that God is triune - three/one - the Father, Son and Spirit is absolutely wonderful!

[Wags]

Thats something I never understood - why people pray to Jesus... Yeshua was asked to teach his diciples how to pray and he taught them to pray to Avinu Shebashamayim "Our Father in Heaven" - he did NOT teach them to pray to Him.

Why do they ignore His instructions?

Matthew 6:9 You, therefore, pray like this: `Our Father in heaven! May your Name be kept holy...

[Mathetes the kerux]

Thats something I never understood - why people pray to Jesus... Yeshua was asked to teach his diciples how to pray and he taught them to pray to Avinu Shebashamayim "Our Father in Heaven" - he did NOT teach them to pray to Him.

Why do they ignore His instructions?

That is one text out of the sermon on the mount (Matthew) and the sermon on the plains (Mark) out of the entire New Testament. Bad idea to base a presupposition on one passage and draw a doctrinal conclusion about prayer.

Let me research a couple of passages and get back to you.

This also may not be the right place to post this issue . . . you may want to start a new thread on the topic so this one doesn't get hijacked. If you do so, post a link here and I will gladly engage:) .

Blessings,
Mathetes

PS. Good point though!;)

[visionary]

Some do.... some don't....trinity is one doctrine MJ's are taking a second look at.

[aleph-bet]

That question is considered a "trap" for some Messianics who don't believe in it..especially on this Christian forum.;) :liturgy:
If you say you don't...then you can get the boot...if you know what I mean.
I had a few good friends on here that had to leave becasue of thier beliefs. I didn't think it was fair, but they found somewhere else to go.
My question is...why do people limit G-d to a box of 3? Why not 4 or 5 or even more? Wans't G-d in the Burning bush, or even the flame that led them at night while they wandered in the desert? What about the CLoud that also led the people?
G-d the father, the Son, the Holy spirit, the flame, the cloud and more? No?

[christianmomof3]

That question is considered a "trap" for some Messianics who don't believe in it..especially on this Christian forum.;) :liturgy:
If you say you don't...then you can get the boot...if you know what I mean.
I had a few good friends on here that had to leave becasue of thier beliefs. I didn't think it was fair, but they found somewhere else to go.
My question is...why do people limit G-d to a box of 3? Why not 4 or 5 or even more? Wans't G-d in the Burning bush, or even the flame that led them at night while they wandered in the desert? What about the CLoud that also led the people?
G-d the father, the Son, the Holy spirit, the flame, the cloud and more? No?

I think that the answer to that as I see it, is that the flame, cloud and other forms that God has taken are temporal - He has taken on those forms and then put them off and while He may take them on again, He does not exist constantly and continually as a flame and as a cloud. He does, and has always, existed as the Father, Son, and Spirit. John 1:1 tells us "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The book of John gives many excellent explanations and descriptions of God and His existence as the triune or three/one God. There are many verses in the Old Testament also that refer to the three of the triune God - the Father is often mentioned, the Spirit is often mentioned, and the Son is mentioned and shown as well all throughout the Bible. The entire Bible is a picture of Christ and the church.

[visionary]

And remember the non-trinity group can not post here.

[plum]

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shalom!

[Yovel]

That question is considered a "trap" for some Messianics who don't believe in it..especially on this Christian forum.;) :liturgy:
If you say you don't...then you can get the boot...if you know what I mean.
I had a few good friends on here that had to leave becasue of thier beliefs. I didn't think it was fair, but they found somewhere else to go.
My question is...why do people limit G-d to a box of 3? Why not 4 or 5 or even more? Wans't G-d in the Burning bush, or even the flame that led them at night while they wandered in the desert? What about the CLoud that also led the people?
G-d the father, the Son, the Holy spirit, the flame, the cloud and more? No?


How about 7? Isa 11:2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him: the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.

[Mathetes the kerux]

I am not trying to get anyone caught:sorry: .

I just wanted some clarity because I have a few orthodox and messianic friends and I wanted to have a fair and representative approach.

Perhaps I should start a thread in the GA/Theology section where all could respond?:confused:

Mathetes

[Espada]

Most Messianics believe the same as most Christians but we have more emphasis on the Jewish origins of the faith which have a lot of times become obscured or forgotten by mainstream Christianity.