A look at the Ten Commandments

[Sephania]

From a Jewish insight.


Hebraic Insight…
Many of the Jewish sages taught that the greatest of all the mitzvot (commandments) is the very first commandment, “I am the LORD your God” (Ex. 20:2a). Why is that? Well, until we are really willing to accept Adonai as our God, the rest of the commandments are not likely to be obeyed. The God of Israel is calling us to obey the glorious truth that He is our God. Are we willing to obey?

Ten Commandments in Hebrew (http://www.levitt.com/hebrew/commandments.html)

[Homesick4Heaven]

To play devil's advocate, would you follow the rules laid out by a god you did not believe in? I do not. I do not follow the Islamic laws of allah, or the Egyptian laws of Ra, or the Greek laws of Zeus. I do not know anyone that would willingly do so. So I think youmust first have a relationship with and love God before following His laws.

At the time of the formation of the people of Israel, there were so many gods and religions it was uncountable. Egypt had thousands for themselves. I believe God was letting His people know it was unacceptable to mess with any other thing worshipped on earth. That includes us today, some worship money, some shoppling, some self.

I think to understand the first commandment, you need to see that it is incomplete as you have stated it. Completely it reads (in my words here as I understand it), 'I alone Am the Lord your God, you shall cling to no other gods except for Me.' Once you accept that and cling to that truth, the others just seem to fall into place as common sense and nature of the Spirit dwelling within you.

[visionary]

I like that... many gentiles gloss over the first commandment, and then pick and choose which one they think are ok to do. That puts them first and God's Will second. Do we not do the same sometimes... I can not point a finger at others when I hav failed to put the Lord first in my life.

[Homesick4Heaven]

I like that... many gentiles gloss over the first commandment, and then pick and choose which one they think are ok to do. That puts them first and God's Will second. Do we not do the same sometimes... I can not point a finger at others when I hav failed to put the Lord first in my life.
preaching to the choir on this one. We are all human and the flesh fails us. That is why God gives us a way back to Him. If He didn't have us on such a tight leash, we would get ourselves into major trouble without Him.

[visionary]

preaching to the choir on this one. We are all human and the flesh fails us. That is why God gives us a way back to Him. If He didn't have us on such a tight leash, we would get ourselves into major trouble without Him.amen... but it sure is nice to have a choir to preach to every once in a while... get more amens that way...:amen:

[Homesick4Heaven]

sometimes is the only way... :)

[Sephania]

To play devil's advocate, would you follow the rules laid out by a god you did not believe in? I do not. I do not follow the Islamic laws of allah, or the Egyptian laws of Ra, or the Greek laws of Zeus. I do not know anyone that would willingly do so. So I think youmust first have a relationship with and love God before following His laws.

At the time of the formation of the people of Israel, there were so many gods and religions it was uncountable. Egypt had thousands for themselves. I believe God was letting His people know it was unacceptable to mess with any other thing worshipped on earth. That includes us today, some worship money, some shoppling, some self.

I think to understand the first commandment, you need to see that it is incomplete as you have stated it. Completely it reads (in my words here as I understand it), 'I alone Am the Lord your God, you shall cling to no other gods except for Me.' Once you accept that and cling to that truth, the others just seem to fall into place as common sense and nature of the Spirit dwelling within you. I just copied and pasted, so as not to violate copyright, I gave the link to the full web-site. :)

I think what you said is similar in what they were saying, that the number 1 was so we would know He is our G-d no other, nor are we to have any other. :)

[visionary]

sometimes is the only way... :)true... it also re-affirms that your thoughts are clear, concise, and expressed well and others can appreciate what you say.

[Sephania]

Yes, I think the second commandment is the most violated by believers. :(

[Homesick4Heaven]

Who me? In agreement with someone else? Able to play well with others? Oh my, I am slipping. Guess I need to tighten up the boot straps and kick a few cats. (Just kidding, I love cats)

I was just called a trouble maker on another christian message board site because I told an admin that if he believed the Jewish people were saved under the Torah Covenants with Abraham and did not need Y'shua, he needed to re-read his Scripture and rethink his position because Dual-Covenant Theology was a false teaching. As a result I was asked to disable my account. I sent the message to the board manager. She isn't happy with him. But I am still banned from posting there for a week, so I will be lurking here quite a bit now. You have been warned.

[Sephania]

:eek: You trouble maker you.



























:D

[Homesick4Heaven]

I know, but don't you love me in spite of it? ;)

[visionary]

Who me? In agreement with someone else? Able to play well with others? Oh my, I am slipping. Guess I need to tighten up the boot straps and kick a few cats. (Just kidding, I love cats)

I was just called a trouble maker on another christian message board site because I told an admin that if he believed the Jewish people were saved under the Torah Covenants with Abraham and did not need Y'shua, he needed to re-read his Scripture and rethink his position because Dual-Covenant Theology was a false teaching. As a result I was asked to disable my account. I sent the message to the board manager. She isn't happy with him. But I am still banned from posting there for a week, so I will be lurking here quite a bit now. You have been warned.you go girl:thumbsup:

[Homesick4Heaven]

Go where? Are you trying to throw me out too? Are you? See those meanies have made me paranoid!!!

Just kidding. I know you are supporting my insistance on sticking to the truth of Scripture. If youcan't tease your friends andfamily, then you are left picking on yourself. I don't like bullies, so I would have to beat myself up for being a bully to me.


Hmmmmm, I would pay money to see me try that one :)

[visionary]

Go where? Are you trying to throw me out too? Are you? See those meanies have made me paranoid!!!

Just kidding. I know you are supporting my insistance on sticking to the truth of Scripture.:hug: sounds like you need one...:hug: ok maybe two

[Homesick4Heaven]

ty, feeling better now.

I am actually in a fairly good mood tonight, except I have a migraine on the starts. So if my words run together and I make no sense, just let me know I am starting to slur my words into one big one.

[Yovel]

I like that... many gentiles gloss over the first commandment, and then pick and choose which one they think are ok to do. That puts them first and God's Will second. Do we not do the same sometimes... I can not point a finger at others when I hav failed to put the Lord first in my life.
Many gentiles don't know the 1st commandment. Real sad.

[Homesick4Heaven]

No, in the SBC, I was taught the first commandment said not to make graven images and worship them as God. Many churches tend to skip over the part about God being the One and Only and not placing anything above Him. That would mean they had to go to church on Superbowl Sunday and miss the football game. It would mean instead of blowing your paycheck at the mall, you would need to give to God what is God's. It means you have to knock yourself and your own wants off the podium and let God take center stage in your life. Gets a little too personal when you look at it from that angle for some believers.

Our rabbi did a newsletter called the Two Ten Commandments recently. Get the picture of the 2 stone tablets in your head that are very commonly associated withthe commandments written on them. He compared the Jewish 10 the the Gentile Church 10. He made the point that traditionally, Jews see the first 5 as a direct way of relating vertically (with God) and on the left tablet while the last 5 (on the right tablet) are ways to relate with man. The gentile church changed that division and said 1-4 (left tablet) were for relating to God and 5-10 (right tablet) were for relating to man. He made the point when you removed honoring your parents as a way you related to God into how you related to man, you started seeing the kids of that generation go wild and lose respect for self, God and others. That is the only commandment followed by a promise, traditional Jewish thought split the commandments at that point verses before as gentile churches do. I though it was interesting and a pretty accurate point to be made.

I am probably rambling now and not making much sense, but I can try to explain better tomorrow what I mean if you cannot get it.

[Adalbert]

Many gentiles don't know the 1st commandment. Real sad.

I'm a gentile. I know all of them and consider them binding. So you have some Christians who say they can do things their way instead of the bible and God's way and for the love of God, I don't know why they call themselves Christian.
I'm not surprised and hope you ain't too.

[Torah]

Hebraic Insight…
Many of the Jewish sages taught that the greatest of all the mitzvot (commandments) is the very first commandment, “I am the LORD your God” (Ex. 20:2a). Why is that? Well, until we are really willing to accept Adonai as our God, the rest of the commandments are not likely to be obeyed. The God of Israel is calling us to obey the glorious truth that He is our God. Are we willing to obey?

Ten Commandments in Hebrew (http://www.levitt.com/hebrew/commandments.html)


There’s that O word again. You Messianic always talking about Obey!. I am saved by grace and not by obeying the law. [Cast, “plop” waiting ] :sigh:

[visionary]

I'm a gentile. I know all of them and consider them binding. So you have some Christians who say they can do things their way instead of the bible and God's way and for the love of God, I don't know why they call themselves Christian.
I'm not surprised and hope you ain't too.I am glad, wish there were more of you.:thumbsup:

[Adalbert]

There’s that O word again. You Messianic always talking about Obey!. I am saved by grace and not by obeying the law. [Cast, “plop” waiting ] :sigh:

May I ask you what you hope to gain by not obeying God?
The law (ten commandments) has one function. Do you know what it is? It's in the bible.
And after you have checked on that you can also check on the m eaning of grace.

[Adalbert]

I am glad, wish there were more of you.:thumbsup:

Most Christians also don't understand that they are Israelites.
Romans 11:17,18
For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches.

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Nor do most of them know what Israelite is.

[Torah]

[And I have a bite]

May I ask you what you hope to gain by not obeying God?
One, only has to obey Jesus commands.


The law (ten commandments) has one function. Do you know what it is? It's in the bible.
No, pleas tell me.


And after you have checked on that you can also check on the m eaning of grace.
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Grace: unmerited divine assistance given humans for their regeneration or sanctification b : a virtue coming from God c : a state of sanctification enjoyed through divine grace.

So! I have “unmerited divine assistance given humans for their regeneration or sanctification” I am saved. I cant earn it. I obey Jesus commands. So what more is there to Obey? :wave:

[Homesick4Heaven]

You cannot choose to ignore God. The commandments are a set of rules that tell us what is good and acceptable to God. They are a guideline and boundary that we must stay within. When we cross them, we must acknowledge and confess the transgression. IF you believe that God's word is no longer valid, you are in essence calling God a liar and therefore do not follow Y'shua.

Grace is 'not receiving the sentence of death for our transgressions against God that we deserve because we have been redeemed by Y'shua'. Y'shua stated He came to fulfill Torah, not abolish it. In other words, to show us how we should be and live according to God's commandments. That was the purpose of His ministry on earth. As humans, we are a rather stupid lot and need that physical example we can see and touch and interact with. Otherwise He could have just appeared and died for us then rose again without having to physically live on earth. IF you feel it is no longer necessary to follow Torah or obey God, you are also calling Y'shua a liar. Paul said we are redeemed not to lawlessness, but into freedom through the obedience of God and Y'shua. You will never see a disagreement between Y'shua and God, as they are in unity. Anyone set against God, sides with HaSatan. Therefore, Y'shua could not be in any other state than unity with God.

I acknowledge you may be playing devil's advocate and not believe what you have written, but that is a subject you do not want to toy with. God does not take kindly to having His children told they do not have to obey Him. That creates a stumbling block to others and God will punish that deception and the deceiver. There may be one that comes along and is new in faith or weak in faith and sees what you have posted and agree with you. That has led them the wrong way and away from God. I cannot and will not keep quiet about that. I see a false teaching, and I will yell as loudly as possible "CAUTION!!!! STAY AWAY!!!!! WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING!!!! I apologize if you feel this is an attack on you, but I am attacking the argument and not the person. Notice the use of the word IF, and that it gives you benefit of doubt about where you truly stand. It is completely inappropriate to state you do not have to obey God only Y'shua.

IF that is your true belief, I suggest you return to Scripture and find exactly where you have been told not to obey God. All through the works of Paul, we are told the opposite. I suggest you start in Acts and Romans and then move to James, Heb. and Eph. The go to Revelation and see what happens tothose that alter the Word of God. It is directly addressed there.

[Wags]

There’s that O word again. You Messianic always talking about Obey!. I am saved by grace and not by obeying the law. [Cast, “plop” waiting ] :sigh:


And here I thought the "O" word was OY! :doh::D

Fishing for men/women again eh Torah...... I pray you get a creel full!

[Sephania]

I know, but don't you love me in spite of it? ;)

Sure do! :hug:

[Sephania]

No, in the SBC, I was taught the first commandment said not to make graven images and worship them as God. Many churches tend to skip over the part about God being the One and Only and not placing anything above Him. That would mean they had to go to church on Superbowl Sunday and miss the football game. It would mean instead of blowing your paycheck at the mall, you would need to give to God what is God's. It means you have to knock yourself and your own wants off the podium and let God take center stage in your life. Gets a little too personal when you look at it from that angle for some believers.

Our rabbi did a newsletter called the Two Ten Commandments recently. Get the picture of the 2 stone tablets in your head that are very commonly associated withthe commandments written on them. He compared the Jewish 10 the the Gentile Church 10. He made the point that traditionally, Jews see the first 5 as a direct way of relating vertically (with God) and on the left tablet while the last 5 (on the right tablet) are ways to relate with man. The gentile church changed that division and said 1-4 (left tablet) were for relating to God and 5-10 (right tablet) were for relating to man. He made the point when you removed honoring your parents as a way you related to God into how you related to man, you started seeing the kids of that generation go wild and lose respect for self, God and others. That is the only commandment followed by a promise, traditional Jewish thought split the commandments at that point verses before as gentile churches do. I though it was interesting and a pretty accurate point to be made.

I am probably rambling now and not making much sense, but I can try to explain better tomorrow what I mean if you cannot get it. Not totally clear but I get your drift. I too follow the 5/5, and recently I have seen so many say 4/6. Which makes me want to say , no, no, 5/5 but I have kept my mouth shut.

But this just made me think of something

5/5 Many see the meaning of five in the bible speaking of grace. If we relate that here we see we have grace if we honor G-d by following His five commandments reguarding him and ( Greatest commandment according to Yeshua) , then the next five which honors Yeshua's second greatest commandment to love your neighbor as yourself ) Which you can't see if you but number 5 with the other 5, because are your parents your neighbors? then that in turn would put G-d down if parents were like neighbors, get it?

Now the 4/6 What do those numbers mean?

Four is the number for the world and six is the number of man, need I say more? :)

[Sephania]

There’s that O word again. You Messianic always talking about Obey!. I am saved by grace and not by obeying the law. [Cast, “plop” waiting ] :sigh: Huh? are you being serious Torah, or facitious? :scratch: Either way, I do choose to obey, that is what Yeshua said shows us we love him:

"If you love me , keep my commandments."

Keep = Obey

Otherwise you are a rebellious child, nu?

[Sephania]

Most Christians also don't understand that they are Israelites.
Romans 11:17,18
For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches.

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Nor do most of them know what Israelite is.
Just a friendly reminder, Adalbert, I see you are new here and don't know the rules of all the forums yet, but in this forum you are only allowed to teach if you are a Messianic ( Jew or Gentile) . Also there are posts that are titled with the [open] tag where any denomination can participate, but this thread is not one of them.

I personally don't believe in what it seems you are presenting here, nor do many on this forum. The church is not Israel, nor are gentiles Israelites. We are one in Messiah true, but each has a different calling.

Shabbat Shalom :)

~Zayit

[Sephania]

May I ask you what you hope to gain by not obeying God?
The law (ten commandments) has one function. Do you know what it is? It's in the bible.
And after you have checked on that you can also check on the m eaning of grace.

Adalbert, you are not allowed to debate in here.

:) ~Z

[plum]

Huh? are you being serious Torah, or facitious? :scratch: Either way, I do choose to obey, that is what Yeshua said shows us we love him:

"If you love me , keep my commandments."

Keep = Obey

Otherwise you are a rebellious child, nu?
he was being facitious :)

[Sephania]

No disrespect meant eirene, but I asked Torah, I think that he's old enough to answer for himself, don't you? ;)

[plum]

No disrespect meant eirene, but I asked Torah, I think that he's old enough to answer for himself, don't you? ;)
he already PMd me on his own to correct me. Forgive me, Torah for presuming anything.