Nazrene Judaism

[philmwri]

I am the only netzarim yehudim here?:)

[Talmidah]

What is a nazarene Jew?

[philmwri]

http://www.unjs.org/what_is_nazarene_judaism.htm
http://www.yashanet.com/library/nazarene_judaism.html

[visionary]

It would be difficult for many us us here to be a nazarene, since we are not jews by blood to begin with.

[Sephania]

I don't know of any other on here, nor any that follow James Trimm.

:)

[plum]

First response:
Sound like it's just another name for Messianic Jews who don't want to have anything to do with "the Chuch" and Christianity.

No, I am not a Nazarene Jew. I am not Jewish nor have I needed another label besides Messianic believer.

[Flopsy Rabbit]

Reading the links that explain Nazarene Judaism, it seemed alright, seemed to be the way I believe to be right, basically Torah observant Judaism as Yeshua practiced it with acceptance of Yeshua as messiah, but perhaps that is not what it is? Researching James Trimm comes up with something definitely not alright. Here is only one of many links I got when I put James Trimm on a google search. http://www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/jamestrimm.htm
I dont know anything about this, but cults are very dangerous and more often than not suck people in unaware because on the surface they look alright, hiding underneath is something very bad. If you go to the original links and go to the section that is for Nazarene congregations, there are none listed. I do not know what to make of it, just a few observations.

[simchat_torah]

Nazarene Judaism is self defined... in other words, anyone can say they are a netzarim.

[simchat_torah]

http://www.nazarene.net/html/ typically claims to be the one true branch of Nazarene Judaism... but a number of groups make that claim *shrugs*

[simchat_torah]

I am the only nazarene jew Fyi, calling yourself a Jew can be offensive to the Jews. You might want to carefully consider your wording.

-Yafet

[Flopsy Rabbit]

So Nazarene Judaism is a legitimate name and is the description of it on the original links correct, and this James Trimm just an individual who is trying to be a leader and not believing or following Nazarene Judaism himself? There is surely alot of bad things said about him, including involvement in mormonism.

[Torah]

Fyi, calling yourself a Jew can be offensive to the Jews. You might want to carefully consider your wording. {I agree}

-Yafet
And it comes across as a bit arrogant.

[simchat_torah]

Hey torah, I love that picture of you and your family (I'm assuming) in your profile ;)

[Torah]

Hey torah, I love that picture of you and your family (I'm assuming) in your profile

simchat_torah you have assumed correctly. And as you can see in the picture we were at the end of the Torah, meaning it was the last day of Sukkot, “Simcha torah”. :clap: :wave:

[stone]

Fyi, calling yourself a Jew can be offensive to the Jews. You might want to carefully consider your wording.

-Yafet

has he ever said that he was not a jew? How do we know if he is a jew or not?

[Flopsy Rabbit]

Here is another link to a site with alot of very good information. I cannot figure out who is behind the site?
http://www.nazarite.net/home.html a very interesting site, makes you really think. Nice music to listen to while you read.

[Flopsy Rabbit]

got an e-mail answer back from the person who runs the site and they said they are not affiliated at all with James Stone.

[Homesick4Heaven]

Here is another link to a site with alot of very good information. I cannot figure out who is behind the site?
http://www.nazarite.net/home.html a very interesting site, makes you really think. Nice music to listen to while you read.
That site has some very strange ways of twisting Scripture and words to make everyone else seem evil and wrong while they are the only ones right. His information is sooo off and out there. I got a very sick feeling in my stomach and a bit of a headache trying to read it. I didn't get to but about 3 pages in there before my eyes went so bleary I couldn't see it to read it.

As far as the first two sites, it seems just like Messianic Judaism to me. But if it is teaching lies such as what are on this last site, then it is not a congregation of believers in the True God of Israel.

Beware false prophets who claim to come in the name of Y'shua. They are from HaSatan and come to lead you away from Y'shua with half truths and twisted words.

[Flopsy Rabbit]

they certainly could have picked better colors! I didnt read the whole site so I didnt see anything that made me think they were slaming anyone, I thought there was alot of good info on the origins of alot of things, those are the parts I read.

[Homesick4Heaven]

There was a churches link that just condemned every religion, including MJ, as being filled with lies. He stated that MJ follow talmud and ignore Torah, he said that churches are filled with pagan symbols, the cross is an ancient pagan symbol, and even claimed the Star of David was evil because it was nothing more than a pentagram and represented witchcraft. He posted church pics with names, addresses and numbers of the pastors and asked you call and ask them why they had phallic symbols on their roof (steeples). He attacked Mother's Day as pagan celebration of the mother goddess, he attacked Thanksgiving as an ancient pagan ritual, and said if you believed in the Holy Trinity then you were worshipping Nimrod and his wife and son. I just got an overwhelming sense of hatred and evil trying to read what I did and didn't get past more than a few pages.

Even the origins info he presented was twisted and only half truths. Before believe what he has posted, please do a web search and learn the true origins of the things you read about.

[visionary]

isn't there a true nazarene group that has a hidden past down through the generations... did we not have one visit us last year sometime and tell us about it?

[Homesick4Heaven]

I'm sure there is a true nazarene group, and according to the first 2 sites listed are almost identical to the MJ movement. I did not see a difference in them with the little bit of info they posted. BUT if they are following the teachings of that last site, they are WAY off base. Believers in Y'shua are not hate filled and venomously attacking every other group of believers just to do it. Hate cannot co-exist with the Spirit of God in your heart.

[Flopsy Rabbit]

Alot of that is true, just because a festival is popular and celebrated, does not mean it does not have pagan roots. As for the Magen David I do remember that mentioned but it was specified that the Magen David alone was not pagan and no pagan would have anything to do with it. It is the Magen David with a circle around it that is pagan. There is alot more truth to all that then you might think. Many practices symbols etc. in the Christian churches are of pagan origin, that is a fact. Christmas is not the only one. A person might really like Christmas and all that goes with it, but knowing the origin of it one has to decide in their own concience what they will do with it, and it is like that with all the other things as well. There is alot more that goes on in the real spirit world on both the side of good and evil then most people want to know, but that does not make it not real. wishing to maintain something as good when it has evil roots cannot make it good. It is what it is whatever it may be.

[Homesick4Heaven]

True, but not everything with a little truth is completely true. Even a lie can be based on truth.

I did a web search on steeples and their meaning, nothing about phallic pagan symbols came up. I searched for the cross and nothing about pagan rituals or symbols came up. Satanism was quite often mentioned and referenced Peter's cross, but nothing pagan. What I found on mothers day is in direct opposition to their pagan claims of Mother's Day honoring the mother goddess. The ancient greeks and romans did not honor mothers, they celebrated fertility of the land in the rituals the site refers to. I have a minor in ancient history, and spent a year studying each ancient rome and greece. They did not honor women, they were property and a means to wealth. Even the goddesses of their ancient world were not honored as women. Look at the depictions of Athena and Aphrodite, the warrior lesbian and the sex object. In ancient greece, a womans job was to produce sons and manage the household. She held less rights than the dog or chariot horse. The wife was disposable, all a man had to do if someone else caught his eye was return her to her father, and he did not have to bring her home with clothes on (she did not even own her own clothes). Rome wasn't much better, but at least the women had some rights. But they were still just objects of pleasure and for babies. In no way were women given honor by the ancients, and the sites argument that mothers day reflects that the female goddesses were honored as mothers is false. If a woman is only a vessel and does not have anything to do with a child but give birth to it and breastfeed it, then it does not have a mother to honor. The concept of motherhood was not understood as we do today. And the ancient greeks and romans did not honor mothers or the mother goddess, they only worshipped attributes they gave them (fertility, protector of the home, warrior, nymph).

http://www.chiff.com/home_life/holiday/mothers-day-history.htm

But who started the celebrations? Did the tribes of prehistoric times gather flowers in the fields to bring to their moms back in the caves? Did the Egyptians send papyrus cards to their moms? The experts don't seem to have answers for all of these questions, but they can trace family celebrations honoring Moms back to the Middle Ages in Europe.
Children as young as eight or nine would leave home to learn their trade as an apprentice or to become servants in the homes of the wealthy. These children usually were in neighboring towns, but transportation was hard to come by and expensive. For most of the year they did not get to see their family. During Lent, before preparations for the Easter feasts required them to be busy and back at work, the young people would be allowed to return to their homes and families for a weekend. This became known as "going a-mothering"

[Yovel]

There was a churches link that just condemned every religion, including MJ, as being filled with lies. He stated that MJ follow talmud and ignore Torah, he said that churches are filled with pagan symbols, the cross is an ancient pagan symbol, and even claimed the Star of David was evil because it was nothing more than a pentagram and represented witchcraft. He posted church pics with names, addresses and numbers of the pastors and asked you call and ask them why they had phallic symbols on their roof (steeples). He attacked Mother's Day as pagan celebration of the mother goddess, he attacked Thanksgiving as an ancient pagan ritual, and said if you believed in the Holy Trinity then you were worshipping Nimrod and his wife and son. I just got an overwhelming sense of hatred and evil trying to read what I did and didn't get past more than a few pages.

Even the origins info he presented was twisted and only half truths. Before believe what he has posted, please do a web search and learn the true origins of the things you read about.

H4H, could this web site you are talking about be "Seek God"? If it is, this site is by Vicky Dillen. She is against everyone that doesn't agree with her. I agree with you, it is full of lies and half truths. She is very mean spirited.

[Flopsy Rabbit]

Well all that doesnt really matter to me, I know there are alot of pagan roots in things, all that matters is what is true and it depends on who you talk to, you can talk to people who will tell you there are no pagan roots or symbols in Christmas, Each to the dictates of their own concience. As for me I prefer to stick to festivals, commands etc. that are given in Torah. I have learned alot from alot of different sources and find it interesting and informative in many different ways.

[Flopsy Rabbit]

somebody else please go to this site and see what you think, I did not think they were vicious at all just trying to expose the truth as they see it. I think they have lots of good information and alot that needs to be considered. And they do have nice music. http://www.nazarite.net/home.html

[Homesick4Heaven]

It is not just the one site. They do not teach truth. Please look at the links I have provided below. They believe you cannot be saved unless you belong to their group. They force gentile believers to convert through the Orthodox (denounce Y'shua) to be able join them. They believe the Ruach HaKodesh is FEMALE and pray to God ans Father Mother.

Check out this site. I suggest section 5. It is very good fiction. They have Y'shua praying to Abba Amma, 5 melons have replaced the 5 fish and 2 loaves to feed 5000, and the disciples are working as carpenters onthe Temple to prepare for Passover.

http://www.thenazareneway.com/ght_table_of_contents.htm

This site claims it needs to rescue Orthodox certified Jews from Christianity and Y'shua.

http://www2.netvision.net.il/~netzarim/

As I have stated before, lies and twisted truths.

[Homesick4Heaven]

H4H, could this web site you are talking about be "Seek God"? If it is, this site is by Vicky Dillen. She is against everyone that doesn't agree with her. I agree with you, it is full of lies and half truths. She is very mean spirited.
no the site I am refering to is mentioned a few posts up by flopsy rabbit, http://www.nazarite.net/home.html (http://www.nazarite.net/home.html)

[Flopsy Rabbit]

The last 2 sites you gave are totally wierd and extremely off, the one I went to just had interesting info on the origins of things, none of this other wierd stuff, and if they believe any of that I surely dont, the information I read was true and informative and not wierd at all like this other stuff. Here is a nice site http://www.bethmessiah.com/topic2.htm

[stone]

out of curiousity i had to check it out, I am thankful that father brought me here to messianic judaism to learn and that i did not get tangled up in the webs of deception from them poor misinformed souls.

Of course the father is one, and the dove is of his spirit. The son, was on the earth, filled with the holy spirit, and a temple for the father is his body. For some reason it is very simple for me to understand, but then again, i do have the sword.

Now isn't the word rabbi a hebrew translation for teacher? When i call rabbi David, rabbi, i am calling him a teacher, and a fine teacher he is. I learn so much from just listening to him talk. It is the word father that has gotten a bit out of control, as we have one father who arth in heaven, this is the teaching, not about teachers, the use of the word father is a prophesy that came to pass, it's simple to see.

*thanks father for blessing me with this forum*

[plum]

I see we have some controversy here...

H4H: i also think I disagree with the sites you posted...

However, are we certain that those have anything to do with the group that phil brought up? Perhaps they use the word "Nazarene" or "Netzarim" but have nothing to do with one another?
I mean, the Church of the Nazarene has nothing to do with Messianic Judaism but it still uses "Nazarene" does it not?

Let's make sure we're not assuming things or jumping to conclusions without ties between them. Is there a conection that you saw? Maybe Phil can help us out here

[Homesick4Heaven]

They are the the Jewish ones, not Church of the Nazarene. They state that multiple times in the sites. They call all other religions and denominations perversions of truth. Even the site Flopsy is so adamently defending calls MJ a lie and an abomination to God.

As for the dove--What was the bird that rested on Y'shua's shoulder when God opened heaven at His immersion? A dove.

Just because other Nazarene Jewish sites blantely flaunt the lie does not make them weird. The Nazarene Jewish Manifesto, available online and is over 150 pages (I took hours and read it completely last night), states you must convert and be certified by the Orthodox in order to be recognized as a follower of God. They state they want to rescuse Jews from Y'shua and gentile believers must become orthodox certified converts, but try to confuse you in the manifesto with NT Scripture. Look closely at the wording of that Scripture andcompare it withseveral translations of the Bible. Conversion to Judaism by gentiles is against Scripture-Romans 8 and 9 state we are not to convert but to follow God in the state we were call to Him in. It states in plain words that their mission is to save Jews from Christianity, Messianic Judaism and Y'shua. How is that truth according to Scripture? The site I sent you to in the last post had some of their scriptures in it. They have twisted and distorted the True Word of God. Example: they have fallen into the pagan belief of a feminine mother godess and pray to her when they pray to the Father "Abba Amma". Means Father Mother in Aramic. They teach the Ruach HaKodesh is the Mother, God is the Father. NOT SUPPORTED IN SCRIPTURE and UNTRUE. FALSE TEACHING!!!!

I call what I see as I see it. We all have the gift of discernment, the Ruach HaKodesh will tell you to stay away from something that is not of God. I pray you take away the biased 'this is ok' attitude and look at what they say as if you eternal soul rests on it, because it does. If you fall into their lies, you may be convinced to give up your salvation to convert to Orthodox Judaism and follow them, once you renounce Y'shua you are no longer of God and the Ruach HaKodesh will withdraw from you. At that point you are not able toturn back to God. Y'shua said if you deny Me before man I will deny you before the Father. Where this is concerned, I SEE LIES AND DECEPTION!!!!

[Flopsy Rabbit]

"Even the site Flopsy is so adamently defending calls MJ a lie and an abomination to God. "

That seems a bit hateful to me. I am not ademntly defending anything. I simply said there was some good information there that makes you think. nowhere did I say I agree with everything on the site... I do not like to see things misrepresented it bothers me. As for the site saying MJ was a lie and an abomination to G-d. I personaly did not see where it said that? What I saw was a statement that as the Christian church has gone too far to one side in throwing away Torah etc. Many Messianic Jewish congregations have gone too far the other direction following Rabbinic tradition but ignoring Torah. That is their opionion. Here is a story to help explain what I am talking about. There was a singer who sang in a concert, after the concert she was back stage and her friend came back stage and was talking to her, her teacher did not come back stage which the student was concerned about, she asked her friend if her teacher had said anything and her friend said oh he said it was heavenly. The singer was not sure about that owing to the fact that her teacher had not come back stage, so further questioned her friend " is that exactly what he said?" well no, said her friend, he said it was and "unearthly noise". I have also found that people tend to believe things without checking them out for themselves, this often does alot of damage not necessarily in regards to a web site, but in life. Someone says something about someone, or something and people just believe them with out checking it out for themselves, they spread it around and pretty soon someone can get hurt very badly. Also it is possible to learn and to gain helpful insight knowledge or wisdom from sources which are not 100% correct, that might be learning truth or error or some of both. Nobody has everything completely right, but we can still learn from each other, hang on to the truth and leave the error.

[plum]

They are the the Jewish ones, not Church of the Nazarene. They state that multiple times in the sites. They call all other religions and denominations perversions of truth.
to clarify, that is not what I asked. I asked is it the exact SAME group as phil mentioned. Obviously I know it isn't the CoN. I gave the example that the church of the nazarenes uses the word "Nazarene" but is not Messianic. I hope that's clearer.

I'd rather get my question ironed out before anyone assumes that someone belongs to that particular group you mention in your last post (which yes, teaches untruths).

I wouldn't want to be the one accusing people of following false doctrine unless it's clear they believe those statements. Please don't stop seeking and showing Truth, but make sure it is not a misunderstanding. Notice that we have not heard from phil since his second post withthose two websites. He did not post the ones you found. He posted two others. So let's figure that out before pointing fingers and saying he supports the people and beliefs behind those other two sites you posted... better safe than sorry.

[Yovel]

http://www.unjs.org/what_is_nazarene_judaism.htm
http://www.yashanet.com/library/nazarene_judaism.html

The first site is by James Trimm. I googled his name and it seems he is in a lot of trouble for selling a new version of the bible and not delievering.

The second site is by Moreh ben Friedman.

[shmuel]

The first site is by James Trimm. I googled his name and it seems he is in a lot of trouble for selling a new version of the bible and not delievering.

The second site is by Moreh ben Friedman.

James Trimm has been discussed at length on this and other forums. I doubt that little more can be added.

The second site uses the name "Yahshua", which certainly raises (at least for me) questions of credibility.

[Sephania]

somebody else please go to this site and see what you think, I did not think they were vicious at all just trying to expose the truth as they see it. I think they have lots of good information and alot that needs to be considered. And they do have nice music. http://www.nazarite.net/home.html
Hmm, this is what I saw there.

They give away free the seventh day adventist book National Sunday Law, and can't speak highly enough about it. ( So they don't believe Adventists are a corrupt religion? )

The music ( they call it Sacred Music) they SELL , many have disclaimers about the songs titles, such as:

Warning! This release contains some pagan titles.


That was on three of them, then this was found on 10 of them:


Warning! This release may contain an Epraimite or Two-House message.



And one of these groups call themselves " We are Israel" So??? :o :scratch:

There was one CD titled "Your Name Is Forever Yahuah " Never heard Him called that before, anyone?

What did they do with the Shin?

They also promote the selling of The Scriptures, a Sacred namer bible. I once went to a group that was following NG, and celebrating Passover with the green barley and that is the book they all had. Those who didn't have their own, they were allowed to use extra copies that the leader had on hand. :scratch:

They even call their guest book the BOOK OF LIFE! How brazen is that????

I won't go into their defintions of the foundation of other holidays, but they are stretching a bit with the thanksgiving one. I have read in numerous places that thanksgiving was something the pilgrams did because they were thankful to G-d for getting them through the winter and for the bountiful harvest there crops gave that first year. They wanted to thank him and searched the bible to find some way. That is when they discoverd Sukkot the harvest festival. and that is where they derives this from. The November celbration was a date one of the presidents picked ( probably to help out the Christmas shopping season), it was not originally in NOv.
On the cross - actually this is the very ancient Hebrew letter tav, the last letter of the aleph-bet.

Actually, I read through about a quarter of his page on MJ and he has some very valid points.


Also saw alot of Nehemiah Gordon and Michael Rood books and vidoes ( teachings) there. I know that one of them doesn't even believe in Yeshua as Messiah. From what I can tell they are a Sacred Name group and should mostly be given a wide berth.

Rood is considered a false prophet like Benny Hinn and

And NG? I found this on another site about him


It is surely another sign of the amazing things God is doing that a Karaite, who does not believe that Yeshua is the Jewish Messiah, has been raised up to give such important understanding about Yeshua to Christians.


So there you have it.:scratch:

[shmuel]

There was one CD titled "Your Name Is Forever Yahuah " Never heard Him called that before, anyone?

What did they do with the Shin?

It is a sacred name pronunciation (one of many used by various groups) of the tetragrammaton.

[Sephania]

Where do they get that from? Even the tranliteration from Greek to English, even Spainish has a 'S' in it, so what did they do with the Shin?

[insaneinthebrain]

Where do they get that from? Even the tranliteration from Greek to English, even Spainish has a 'S' in it, so what did they do with the Shin?
I think you may be a little confused here, as y-h-w-h never had a shin. ;)

[Flopsy Rabbit]

Thank you Zayit. I agree with you those certainly are alot of strange things. It seems that many cults have their start in 7th day adventism, David Koresh was one. I think it is because they believe that there will always be a prophet and new revelation so they will easily follow someone and they dont seem to care if they dont follow the Bible, just say its new revelation. 7th day adventists are quite anti-Jewish, I had one pestering me a long time ago till I finally told them in as nice a way as I could to leave off. I didnt like them calling that section the Book of Life either, I skipped it. I read that about Thanksgiving too, maybe the indians had other ideas? but I dont think the pilgrims did. Who put out that Bible? I never heard of it before? think there was some good info on the origins of holidays that alot of people are not aware of and symbols used in the Christian church and elsewhere. I thought it was strange that they didnt seem to have anything about their organization etc. who they were or who they were affiliated with etc. anywhere on the site.

[plum]

*spits out drink, sputtering* book of life?!

[simchat_torah]

isn't there a true nazarene group that has a hidden past down through the generations... did we not have one visit us last year sometime and tell us about it?the last historical reference to the Netzarim was in the 13th century. It was by a christian theologian declaring the netzarim were heretical. As far as Netzarim references by their own people, none exist past the 5th century.

[simchat_torah]

has he ever said that he was not a jew? How do we know if he is a jew or not?Would you care to make a wager? ;)

[stone]

Would you care to make a wager? ;)


hmmm... *holds a shiny nickel in palm* well.... after following the replies i think my question has been answered. :(


*the sad face is for those that follow those teachings*

[Sephania]

I think you may be a little confused here, as y-h-w-h never had a shin. ;)

Well maybe I am, but I thought that they were saying this was Yeshua, you think it is THE name?


Your Name Is Forever Yahuah


But I was talking about their spelling for Yeshua, which does have a shin, yod shin vav ayin, I've written it out dozens of times with many impliments mediums, etc. :)


:scratch: Zayit wanders away ready for Shabbat wondering how confused she is................

[Sephania]

Thank you Zayit. I agree with you those certainly are alot of strange things. It seems that many cults have their start in 7th day adventism, David Koresh was one. I think it is because they believe that there will always be a prophet and new revelation so they will easily follow someone and they dont seem to care if they dont follow the Bible, just say its new revelation. 7th day adventists are quite anti-Jewish, I had one pestering me a long time ago till I finally told them in as nice a way as I could to leave off. I didnt like them calling that section the Book of Life either, I skipped it. I read that about Thanksgiving too, maybe the indians had other ideas? but I dont think the pilgrims did. Who put out that Bible? I never heard of it before? think there was some good info on the origins of holidays that alot of people are not aware of and symbols used in the Christian church and elsewhere. I thought it was strange that they didnt seem to have anything about their organization etc. who they were or who they were affiliated with etc. anywhere on the site. I didn't realize Koresh was one. Yes, I don't believe we will ever be shy of false prophets, until Yeshua returns and puts them where they belong!

Not sure who publishes that , probably the Sacred Namers.

Thing that bothered me the most was their choice of site colors, I am always wary when I see black and red together. black = darkness ( no light of truth, Yeshua) and red = blood - death.

[Flopsy Rabbit]

I dont like black and red either I thought that was wierd too. There was another guy that was in the news sometime back in the USA who had his family holed up in the woods in the mountains somewhere and he had a whole stock pile of weapons and they went after him and I guess he wouldnt give up and they had a shoot out, his wife and son were hit I think and I dont know if he was or what happened, he had young children. And that guy was a 7th day adventist too.

No more space ship hikers once Yeshua comes back.

[visionary]

I dont like black and red either I thought that was wierd too. There was another guy that was in the news sometime back in the USA who had his family holed up in the woods in the mountains somewhere and he had a whole stock pile of weapons and they went after him and I guess he wouldnt give up and they had a shoot out, his wife and son were hit I think and I dont know if he was or what happened, he had young children. And that guy was a 7th day adventist too.

No more space ship hikers once Yeshua comes back.Was is with this government that they have to go after some person holed up somewhere? It is not like he went and did something wrong then holed up in the woods. I do not have a problem with the idea of moving to the woods to get away from government control. I just don't need the government to go after me because I did.

[HaNotsri]

James Trimm is a sick sick man and needs the Lord

[Homesick4Heaven]

I dont like black and red either I thought that was wierd too. There was another guy that was in the news sometime back in the USA who had his family holed up in the woods in the mountains somewhere and he had a whole stock pile of weapons and they went after him and I guess he wouldnt give up and they had a shoot out, his wife and son were hit I think and I dont know if he was or what happened, he had young children. And that guy was a 7th day adventist too.

No more space ship hikers once Yeshua comes back.
Are you referring to Ruby Ridge 'Incident'?

I found a site that has a really good summary of the massacre that happened there. Makes you wonder just who is making the decisions on how to protect the people of this country. http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-21-02-2.html

Please don't get me wrong, I think both parties are equally guilty and this whole mess should have been handled differently. But it all boils down to the Weaver's religious beliefs and their freedom to exercise the right topull away from society and be left alone-as long as they do not threaten nor harm in the process.

http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-21-02-2.html

[Sephania]

It's sad, until you mentioned that name H4H, I didn't recall it, there is so much bad going on in the world that I just don't want to store up these things in my brain, I guess it would make you lose hope.

I remember back when a weather incident would be talked about for months, years even, but now it is almost like an everyday occurance and yet still people don't look up or run for their bibles. :( And things like that massacre, 30 years ago that would be hard to forget, today, so much like that going on, it's hard to keep it straight. I am glad I am not in school trying to learn our countries history, even for only 200+ years the things that have happened here could very well have 10 times more pages than even some o f the world empires!


But all this just makes me look more longingly for heaven! And brings an increase in saying, Come soon Adonai Yeshua, come soon!!!!!!! :clap:

[Sephania]

James Trimm is a sick sick man and needs the Lord

Yes, everyone needs the L-RD.

Isn't there are song about that?




Yes, I found it online, 'People need the L-RD' by Steve Green :)

[simchat_torah]

James Trimm is a sick sick man and needs the Lordhahaha, I nominate this the post of the year ;)

[Flopsy Rabbit]

I wish the government would stay out of peoples personal lives too!!! They bother common people who are just doing their best to live according to thier religious principles and raise their children accordingly, but they leave alone known moslum training camps in this country even when they have hords of complaints from citizens about them. Then they talk about homeland security. They are on the side of HaSatan.
I didnt go to the link about the 7th day adventist people... I dont know much about it just that it seems that that religious group tends to put out alot of messed up folks, who tend to lead alot of others with them. And alot of wierd cults seem to have their roots in 7th day adventism, so when I find something a bit strange or scary and then find something 7th day adventist attached to it, I find the best thing to do is either tiptoe away quietly or run away as fast as you can get.

[Homesick4Heaven]

Flopsy and Zayit, I agree completely. I remember when Hugo and Andrew hit, it was a complete diaster and the entire country banned together to help us out. I hate eating military rations, but when that was all we had because we were without power for 5 weeks, I was glad to have something in my growling belly.

Look at how things have played out since Rita and Katrina. It just turned into a political and racial battle because one hand didn't know what the other wasn't doing. It is soooo sad to see that when we need the government's protection they cannot be found, but when you just want to be normal and live a quiet life you can't get rid of them.