[open]12 Tribes[open]

[stone]

Is this the names of the 12 tribes?





Judah
Issachar
Zebulun
Reuben
Simeon
Gad
Ephraim
Manasseh
Benjamin
Dan
Asher
Naphtali

[Sephania]

Is this the names of the 12 tribes?





Judah
Issachar
Zebulun
Reuben
Simeon
Gad
Ephraim
Manasseh
Benjamin
Dan
Asher
Naphtali It depends, the original sons of Ya'akov were ( in order of birth)

Reuben~~~~~~ (see a son)
Shim'on ~~~~~~(hearing, like Shema)
Levi ~~~~~~~~(joining)
Judah~~~~~~~ (Praise)
Dan ~~~~~~~~(G-d is my judge)
Naphtali ~~~~~~(mywrestling)
Gad ~~~~~~~~(good fortune)
Asher ~~~~~~~(Happy)
Yissakhar ~~~~~(hire reward)
Z'vulan ~~~~~~(living together)
Yosef ~~~~~~~(may he add)
Benyamin ~~~~~(son of my right hand)


I came across a site many years ago that had the total listings of all the tribes throughout the bible in the different ways of listing, it is interesting that I don't think they are in the same order twice. One thing is consistant, there are always twelve, even though there are 13 tribes ( Yosefs sons got the double blessing) just like Yeshua had 13 talmidim, but one was of haSatan. Many think the tribe of Dan will be the one like Judas, as it is missing in revelation of the witnessing tribes.

[stone]

This is where i find why Levi is not on the list:

8 At that time the LORD separated the tribe of Levi, to bear the ark of the covenant of the LORD, to stand before the LORD to minister unto him, and to bless in his name, unto this day. 9 Wherefore Levi hath no part nor inheritance with his brethren; the LORD is his inheritance, according as the LORD thy God promised him. 10 And I stayed in the mount, according to the first time, forty days and forty nights; and the LORD hearkened unto me at that time also, and the LORD would not destroy thee. 11 And the LORD said unto me, Arise, take thy journey before the people, that they may go in and possess the land, which I sware unto their fathers to give unto them.

[Sephania]

I'm not sure what you are asking then stone? :scratch:

[stone]

and this is where i gathered my information for the list of tribes:
10 And the princes offered for dedicating of the altar in the day that it was anointed, even the princes offered their offering before the altar. 11 And the LORD said unto Moses, They shall offer their offering, each prince on his day, for the dedicating of the altar. 12 And he that offered his offering the first day was Nahshon the son of Amminadab, of the tribe of Judah: 13 And his offering was one silver charger, the weight thereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them were full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 14 One spoon of ten shekels of gold, full of incense: 15 One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 16 One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 17 And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Nahshon the son of Amminadab. 18 On the second day Nethaneel the son of Zuar, prince of Issachar, did offer: 19 He offered for his offering one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 20 One spoon of gold of ten shekels, full of incense: 21 One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 22 One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 23 And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Nethaneel the son of Zuar. 24 On the third day Eliab the son of Helon, prince of the children of Zebulun, did offer: 25 His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 26 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 27 One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 28 One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 29 And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Eliab the son of Helon. 30 On the fourth day Elizur the son of Shedeur, prince of the children of Reuben, did offer: 31 His offering was one silver charger of the weight of an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 32 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 33 One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 34 One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 35 And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Elizur the son of Shedeur. 36 On the fifth day Shelumiel the son of Zurishaddai, prince of the children of Simeon, did offer: 37 His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 38 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 39 One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 40 One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 41 And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Shelumiel the son of Zurishaddai. 42 On the sixth day Eliasaph the son of Deuel, prince of the children of Gad, offered: 43 His offering was one silver charger of the weight of an hundred and thirty shekels, a silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 44 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 45 One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 46 One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 47 And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Eliasaph the son of Deuel. 48 On the seventh day Elishama the son of Ammihud, prince of the children of Ephraim, offered: 49 His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 50 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 51 One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 52 One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 53 And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Elishama the son of Ammihud. 54 On the eighth day offered Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur, prince of the children of Manasseh: 55 His offering was one silver charger of the weight of an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 56 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 57 One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 58 One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 59 And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur. 60 On the ninth day Abidan the son of Gideoni, prince of the children of Benjamin, offered: 61 His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 62 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 63 One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 64 One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 65 And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Abidan the son of Gideoni. 66 On the tenth day Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai, prince of the children of Dan, offered: 67 His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 68 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 69 One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 70 One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 71 And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai. 72 On the eleventh day Pagiel the son of Ocran, prince of the children of Asher, offered: 73 His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 74 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 75 One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 76 One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 77 And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Pagiel the son of Ocran. 78 On the twelfth day Ahira the son of Enan, prince of the children of Naphtali, offered: 79 His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 80 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 81 One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 82 One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 83 And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Ahira the son of Enan. 84 This was the dedication of the altar, in the day when it was anointed, by the princes of Israel: twelve chargers of silver, twelve silver bowls, twelve spoons of gold: 85 Each charger of silver weighing an hundred and thirty shekels, each bowl seventy: all the silver vessels weighed two thousand and four hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary: 86 The golden spoons were twelve, full of incense, weighing ten shekels apiece, after the shekel of the sanctuary: all the gold of the spoons was an hundred and twenty shekels. 87 All the oxen for the burnt offering were twelve bullocks, the rams twelve, the lambs of the first year twelve, with their meat offering: and the kids of the goats for sin offering twelve. 88 And all the oxen for the sacrifice of the peace offerings were twenty and four bullocks, the rams sixty, the he goats sixty, the lambs of the first year sixty. This was the dedication of the altar, after that it was anointed.

[Sephania]

This is not the original paper on this subject I had found but you can check it out, it gives the various listings of the tribes in their different orders ( I believe there are 20 in all).
The (http://www.biblestudysite.com/45.htm) Order and Grouping of The Twelve Tribes.

[Sephania]

I'm sorry Stone, I still don't understand what you are asking. In your OP you asked :


Is this the names of the 12 tribes?

But in reference to what? As I posted there are 20 different lists, and different tribes missing in some of those. so my question is, What do you want to know, do you want to know the meaning of the listing you gave? and why it is in that order and why some are missing?

Sorry, :o :sorry: I's trying to help you but I don't understand what you want to know. :blush:

[stone]

The chapter of numbers mentions the annointing of the alter and that it was done by the 12 princes of the 12 tribes and the names given, i assume are the 12 tribes.

I guess your stateing that their are 20 is where i am going with this. Why and how are there 20 when we can see clearly here that there are only 12 princes that are representing 12 tribes?

Were the other tribes not allowed into the land of inheritance?

and your link didn't work. :D

[Sephania]

Works now, not sure what happened. Take a look at that site and maybe some of your questions will be answered. :)

[debi b]

Is this the names of the 12 tribes?





Judah
Issachar
Zebulun
Reuben
Simeon
Gad
Ephraim
Manasseh
Benjamin
Dan
Asher
Naphtali

Yes :) and Zayit is correct in the list of the 12 sons :) Just for fun compare to this

Rev 7:5-8
of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed

[stone]

Why is Dan not in Revelations and now Levi is added as a tribe, after they had been seperated? I'm sure something to do with no temple.

[Sephania]

First listing of Israel:

Reuben~~~~~~ (see, a son)
Shim'on ~~~~~~ (hearing, like Shema)
Levi ~~~~~~~~ (joining)
Judah~~~~~~~ (Praise)
Dan ~~~~~~~~ (G-d is my judge)
Naphtali ~~~~~~ (my wrestling)
Gad ~~~~~~~~ (a troop, or soldier) can mean to overcome as well
Asher ~~~~~~~ (Happy)
Yissakhar ~~~~~ (hire reward)
Z'vulan ~~~~~~ (living together)
Yosef ~~~~~~~ (may he add)
Benyamin ~~~~~ (son of my right hand)


Last Listing of Israel:

Rev 7:5-8
the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed ~~~~~~~ (Praise)
the tribe of Reuben 12,000 were sealed ~~~~~~(see a son)
the tribe of Gad 12,000 were sealed ~~~~~~~~ (troop or soldier)
the tribe of Asher 12,000 were sealed ~~~~~~~~(Happy)
the tribe of Naphtali 12,000 were sealed ~~~~~~(my wrestling)
the tribe of Manasseh 12,000 were sealed ~~~~(cause to forget)
the tribe of Simeon 12,000 were sealed ~~~~~~~(hear)
the tribe of Levi 12,000 were sealed~~~~~~~~~~(joining)
the tribe of Issachar 12,000 were sealed ~~~~~~~(hire, reward)
the tribe of Zebulun 12,000 were sealed ~~~~~~(living together)
the tribe of Joseph 12,000 were sealed ~~~~~~~(may he add)
tribe of Benjamin 12,000 were sealed ~~~(son of my right hand)

Now, notice what is missing? the tribe of Dan, and what does the name of Dan mean? Judging.

In this list of witnesses, they are there to save, not to judge.

Yeshua said, I have not come to judge the world but to save it. At this time of the witnesses He is still trying to save, judging comes after that.

[Sephania]

Something else I noticed while compiling these lists, in the very first, which is the birth order by looking at the names we can see something interesting.

Reuben~~~~~~ (see, a son)
Shim'on ~~~~~~ (hearing, like Shema)
Levi ~~~~~~~~ (joining)
Judah~~~~~~~ (Praise)
Dan ~~~~~~~~ (G-d is my judge)
Naphtali ~~~~~~ (my wrestling)
Gad ~~~~~~~~ (a troop, or soldier) can mean to overcome as well
Asher ~~~~~~~ (Happy)
Yissakhar ~~~~~ (hire reward)
Z'vulan ~~~~~~ (living together)
Yosef ~~~~~~~ (may he add)
Benyamin ~~~~~ (son of my right hand)


The first son is natural, Leah declares upon seeing her first born 'See! a son! , It is the first son, like Adam was the first son of G-d.

The last son of Israel is Benyahmin, he is born after the L-RD changes Ya'akov's name to Israel. His name means, son of my right hand. Yeshua is many times referred as sitting at the right hand of the Father. He is the last son, the last Adam.

[Henaynei]

stone - there are some 20 different lists of the 12 tribes(not 20 different tribes)

in the last listing, in Rev 7, Gad and Ephriam are not listed, Levi and Yoseph are :)

[BarbB]

Why is Dan not in Revelations and now Levi is added as a tribe, after they had been seperated? I'm sure something to do with no temple.

I think because Dan disappeared even before Israel was conquered and dispersed by Syria. Dan had already assimilated and lost it's identity into the pagan societies surrounding it.

There is some thought also that the antichrist might be from Dan, though how that would be proved I don't know.

[jgonz]

No, I don't believe that the anti-christ will be from Dan. I am more of the opinion he'll be from Judah, so that he can claim to be Messiah (while "fulfilling" prophecies that Jewish people would recognize).

Dan was not fully wiped out... G-d knows who Dan's descendants are and the blessings and promises given to Dan will be fulfilled eventually, just like to all the Tribes. :)

[Henaynei]

resource of the different lists

http://catholic-resources.org/Bible/History-12Tribes.htm

[plum]

both those links are great :)