What's wrong with Jesus?

[Bruno]

Why are Jewish people so offended by Jesus Christ? I have Jewish friends and just a mention of Jesus makes them cringe. Has He done anything wrong according to the New Testament?

[Pray4Isrel]

Excellent question!

There are Messianic Jews who do believe in Jesus (Yeshua) and have accepted Him as the Messiah.
Besides Messianics, other Jews such as orthodox Jews do not accept Yeshua as Messiah.
They believe that the Messiah will not be divine but will be an earthly king that restores the Davidic Monarchy.

[Charles YTK]

The reason the name Jesus is not accepted is because of the baggage of blood that has been added to that name. Pogroms, crusades, iguisitions. Did you realize that 40 million heretics, (meaning mostly Jews and protestants) were killed in the Inquisition.

Talk to my friends who survived the German concentration camps. They will tell you that while they kneeled and took beatings and torture begging for mercy, the SS officers were all wearing belt buckles which proclaimed in large letters "Jesus is Lord".

The church teaches that Jews have been totally rejected by God, that the law is abolished Sabbath is abolished, the feast days are abolished, and Gentiles have replae Israel in the promises of God, all by the authority of this man Jesus. All this is a lie of course, but that is what they have done to the name of Jesus inthe eyes of the very ones he came to save.

Charles YTK

[Bruno]

So if someone does something to you in the name of God, you will reject God Himself?

Jesus's most important instruction in the New Testament was to love everyone. You really think that these crusaders, inquisitors, nazis, etc. believed in Jesus, yet completelly went against His teachings? I don't.

And if Jews were rejected by God, why would He come to earth as one of them.

If a church supports any kind of hate, or discrimination, it is not a church of God.

"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them–bringing swift destruction on themselves."  (2 Peter 2:1-2)

[Higher Truth]

Quote:

"They will tell you that while they kneeled and took beatings and torture begging for mercy, the SS officers were all wearing belt buckles which proclaimed in large letters "Jesus is Lord". "

With all due respect Charles, I know that the standard German camp guards did beat prisioners and tell them that they were "Christ killers", but the belt buckle with 'Jesus is Lord" is a little hard to swallow. The SS officers were into occultism, and had little to do with Jesus. Their belt buckles had an eagle with a swastika on it if I remember correctly.

[Charles YTK]

Well History is what it is, and much blood was shed in the name of Jesus.
Here is just a clip from the writings of Martin Luther, one of the spiritual fathers of the church and leaders of the reformation:

First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly_and I myself was unaware of it_will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.

In Deuteronomy 13:12 Moses writes that any city that is given to idolatry shall be totally destroyed by fire, and nothing of it shall be preserved. If he were alive today, he would be the first to set fire to the synagogues and houses of the Jews. For in Deuteronomy 4:2 and 12:32 he commanded very explicitly that nothing is to be added to or subtracted from his law. And Samuel says in I Samuel 15:23 that disobedience to God is idolatry. Now the Jews' doctrine at present is nothing but the additions of the rabbis and the idolatry of disobedience, so that Moses has become entirely unknown among them (as we said before), just as the Bible became unknown under the papacy in our day. So also, for Moses' sake, their schools cannot be tolerated; they defame him just as much as they do us. It is not necessary that they have their own free churches for such idolatry.

Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them the fact that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.

Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them.

Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the saying of Moses (Deuteronomy 17:10) in which he commands them to obey their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: "what they teach you in accord with the law of the Lord." Those villains ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people's obedience contrary to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the declaration in Matthew 16:18, "You are Peter," etc., inducing us to believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore he forfeited the right to teach.

Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let them stay at home. I have heard it said that a rich Jew is now traveling across the country with twelve horses his ambition is to become a Kokhba devouring princes, lords, lands, and people with his usury, so that the great lords view it with jealous eyes. If you great lords and princes will not forbid such usurers the highway legally, some day a troop may gather against them, having learned from this booklet the true nature of the Jews and how one should deal with them and not protect their activities. For you, too, must not and cannot protect them unless you wish to become participants in an their abominations in the sight of God. Consider carefully what good could come from this, and prevent it.

Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above, they have no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it they have stolen and robbed from us an they possess. Such money should now be used in no other way than the following: Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble. For such evil gains are cursed if they are not put to use with God's blessing in a good and worthy cause.

Charles YTK

[Charles YTK]

Higher truth,

Those who were specifically in charge of the death camps were a special force commissioned to do Gods will as taught by Luther and expounded on by Hitler and his henchmen. And most of the christian world was willing to look the other way, because they were "christ killers". Even when a ship load of Jews managed to escape and make their way to America, they were denied a port of entry and sent away. They went to Canada and were also refused entry. Finally with nowhere else to go they returned to europe where they were taken to the death camps for quick disposal. Jews were offered to the US at a price of five dollars a head, and the US government would not buy the freedom of one of them. We would not even bomb the rail line that were only transporting them to the ovens.

Talk to an ashwitz survivor and ask them about the belt buckles.

Charles YTK

[Higher Truth]

I have. They were abused no doubt. They were taunted as "Christ killers' I know the history. The belt buckle is too hard to swallow. "Jesus saves" is a slogan of the sixties. Came from the missions in the inner cities. Just my opinion. I am no expert on this.

[Charles YTK]

Higher truth,
I believe you are misquoting me. "Jesus is Lord" is what was written on them.

Charles YTK

[Higher Truth]

Sorry...lost my mind...quoted you correctly in the earlier post. I would have to see research that stated that. No offense intended.

[Charles YTK]

Wouldn't the research depend heavily on first hand witnesses? And it seems that already you do not accept this. I was given this information directly by a Jewish woman who is now a believer and a member of the church that meets in our home, and who lost over half of her family in the concentration camps. When she tried to witness to her family concerning Jesus the Messiah, this story of the SS and their religious zeal and the belt buckle was one reason they would not even listen to her.

Well lets not argue. I realize that there are many who do not even believe the death camps existed and that all the photos are fakes.

Charles YTK

[Higher Truth]

Quote:

"Well lets not argue. I realize that there are many who do not even believe the death camps existed and that all the photos are fakes. "

I hope you are not insinuating that I am one of them. I fully realize the horrors of the camps via first person reports. I have seen the tattoos. The sad thing is that it could happen again. Anti-semitism is on the rise.

[Pray4Isrel]

The issue goes back to what Bruno asked:
Why do Jews (other than Messianic Jews) reject Yeshua as Messiah?
Though many historical examples such as the crusades, holocaust, etc have given "Christianity" a bad name, the issue must go beyond these events. Sure, these horrific events did not help the fact but they are not the single or soul cause of the rejection of Yeshua as Messiah.
Yeshua was rejected while He was walking the land. Therefore, the single cause cannot be the events that happened after Jesus life here on earth. The most direct reason people have rejected Him as Messiah is that He did not fit the image the Jews had in mind and that He also spoke of the law in a way that was new to them. Same law but put into context. The Jews want a "Messiah" that will restore the Davidic monarchy. What they do not see is that Yeshua is indeed the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

[Charles YTK]

Pray 4 Israel,

If we look all the way back, the Jews were coming to faith is huge numbers. The scriptures tell that "the Lord added to their numbers daily. And Even a huge number of the priests believed in him."

In the 1st. century Israel was divided into several camps, politically, as well as religiously. The saducees were in power in the temple system, as well as the politicaly and they were corrupt, and sold out (compromised) with Rome. The Romans considered the new sect of Nazzarenes to be just another one of so 20 sects of Judaism of the time and treated them all the same. The Jews had some religious freedom, in that they did not have to worship ceasar, and were able to maintain some control over the temple system and local afairs, so long as the peace was maintained. The saducees of course were very opposed to the Jesus movement and were oppressing them and persecuting them. (Again let me emphasize that it was a small controlling group who opposed the church. The common man was coming to faith by the thousans. This conflict resulted in some civil disturbances. Rome came down on all the Jews including the nazzarenes who were really pacifists and innocent victims of the saducees. As Rome brought force to bear to restore order and control the zealots used the increased Roman involvement to incite riots. Everything escalated. Until finally in 66? Ad the Jewish wars broke out. By 70 AD it was a misserable situation and the nazzarenes saw the Roaman soldiers begining to surround the city and remembering the words of Jesus that when this happened they should flee to the mountains; that is what they did, to the mountains of Pella. The rest of the Jews considered the nazzarenes to be traitors because they would not stand against Rome. They maintain that lable to this day among orthodox Jews. The nazzarenes fled and became a remnant that remained rather small but devout.

In the mean time the new sect of nazzarenes, now called christ followers or chistianoes, were growing quickly in the Gentile nations, and the center of diasopa jews was Rome, and so in and around Rome is where the new heart of the church was established. Under great oppression as we know.

It goes on, but these events which sort of trapped the blossoming nazzarenes in Judea until 69 AD in sort of a political vise before the Jewish wars, caused much harm to the new sect of christians. Bitterness grew stronger in the Temple priesthood in those pre-war days, and the hearts of the people were swayed.

The practice of the new Gentile converts was based on a liberal approach to the law and they were boasting to the Jews about how God had chosen them in freedom. We see this reflected in books like Romans, Galatians, and others. What the Jew was seeing as the new Gospel was an abolishment of all their known religion, abolishment of Torah, of the feast day, of circumcision, of the temple system, and this Jesus was being presented to them as a new God separate from the God of Abraham. Based on all the things that the Gentiles were doing and saying, the Jews had no choice but to reject the new faith, because that is what the teachings of God had warned them to flee from. And it was not due to the Gospel that Paul taught as much as it was because of the Paganism and hellenistic understanding that re-wrote the great truths of God such that they were in direct opposition to everything God had taught the Jews over almost two Millennia. They rejected Jesusu (Jesusu of the Gentiles) out of devoted faith to YHVH the God of Abraham.

Charles YTK

[Pray4Isrel]

Shalom Charles,
I am certainly not denying historical accounts. I myself have been to Israel a couple of times for intense study.
However,
There comes a time when we all must start to be accountable. We must work out our Salvation with fear and trembling. In other words, excuses of all sorts are at everyones fingertips. We could all choose to listen to the deceptions of the enemy who uses every reason he can think of to keep us from taking that step.
I have spent countless convcersations with Jews in Israel who reasoned that they could never accept Yeshua because of the horrific events of the holocaust. I explain to them that though this was a horrible time in the lives of all Jews, that Jesus Himslef was a Jew and He did not put anyone through that holocaust. I try to define the difference between the Hitler who spoke of being a "Christian" and the true Christian as defined in the book of Romans. We can all use historical events as a means to keep us from accepting the truth. But, Yeshua wished for us to accept Him and realize that He is Messiah and that the many who have perverted His name will indeed be judged.
It is accountability and responsibility.
No more excuses.
I have spent a majority of my ministry in repentance on behalf of Gentile Christians who have held any prejudices against Jews. Trust me, I understand the weight of events such as these.
But there is a time to move on past the lies of the enemy and take ahold of the salvation through Yeshua HaMashiach.

[Higher Truth]

Thank you Pray4Israel for the interesting writing and perspective.

[Pray4Isrel]

Shalom, HigherTruth! :wave:

[Higher Truth]

This is an interesting article on the topic:

http://www.shema.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=69

[Higher Truth]

Once again the server has a mind of it's own. Here is the link in two parts.

http://www.shema.com/modules.php?

name=News&file=article&sid=69

[Charles YTK]

Pray4israel,

I agree with what you say. I believe though that the situation is much more than we can image, because when children are raised from their very first day and taught that the person Jesus and the christian religion that is associated with him is the thing most responsible for the misery of all their ancestors for two millennia, well... these kids are going to grow up with deeply seated blindness to the truth you are speaking of. And remember too that for a jew to accept Yeshua also will cost him his family and his church connections, because they will all treat him as if dead. Some of my friends have had their parents and family hold days of mourning, and have a memorial service for the one who is now dead. (though they are not physically dead, they are dead to their family and friends)

You would think that over the more recent years that some in Israel and in the free world would come to view christians more as allies at least, in the face of a common enemy, Islam. I think this will be more of a factor as the tribulation begins. We are only in what Jesus called the beginning of sorrows. There is a good book by Victor Mordechi call "Christian Revival for Israels survival" The man is a Jew and former IDF commander with connection inhigh goverment, and he is convinced that Israel must fully embrace christians as brothers if Israel is to survive in the world.

As a side note, on antisemitism, Did you see where last week 5 nations in Europe put a ban on the processing sale and distribution of Kosher meat. This is also one of the very first moves against Jews in WW II.

Charles YTK

[Pray4Isrel]

Originally posted by Charles YTK
Pray4israel,
I agree with what you say. I believe though that the situation is much more than we can image, because when children are raised from their very first day and taught that the person Jesus and the christian religion that is associated with him is the thing most responsible for the misery of all their ancestors for two millennia, well... these kids are going to grow up with deeply seated blindness to the truth you are speaking of. And remember too that for a jew to accept Yeshua also will cost him his family and his church connections, because they will all treat him as if dead. Some of my friends have had their parents and family hold days of mourning, and have a memorial service for the one who is now dead. (though they are not physically dead, they are dead to their family and friends)

Yes, families for generations have been raised to believe that the Christian is the enemy, yet even moreso they believe is the Jew who accepts Yeshua as Messiah.  Yet see the shift, the change in focus, if you will.  Recently, the true enemy of the Jewish people has made themselves known:  The Arabs/Muslims who wish to annihilate all Jews and Christians.  When put into perspective, most Jews these days can see that their Christian brothers and sisters are in fact supportive of the Jewish people and Israel.  Many of the Jews I spoke to in Israel had a great appreciation for my passion to see the land that is rightfully theirs belong to them.  If we closely see the alliance that is being formed then we can understand that this is quite a ripe time for many Jewish people to learn about the Messiah.  I have many Jewish friends, both Messianic and Orthodox.  They all speak of the newfound respect for Christians due to the support and love that Christians have shown them. I have seen more genuine Christians turn to the Jewish people to make ammends and to start a mutual respect like never before.  I am thankful to have been a small observer of this in the Holy Land itself.  We must become unified as Romans speaks of.  I am wary of any sect that teaches Christianity to be the enemy.

You would think that over the more recent years that some in Israel and in the free world would come to view christians more as allies at least, in the face of a common enemy, Islam. I think this will be more of a factor as the tribulation begins. We are only in what Jesus called the beginning of sorrows. There is a good book by Victor Mordechi call "Christian Revival for Israels survival" The man is a Jew and former IDF commander with connection inhigh goverment, and he is convinced that Israel must fully embrace christians as brothers if Israel is to survive in the world.

Ah, that confirms what I mentioned above.  I've seen this happening with my very eyes and it is an exciting time to see the Jewish people forgive Christians and allow the gentiles to be grafted in. 

As a side note, on antisemitism, Did you see where last week 5 nations in Europe put a ban on the processing sale and distribution of Kosher meat. This is also one of the very first moves against Jews in WW II.

I have not heard this. This is so frightening for me to watch.  It makes me so angry to see such signs and indications of another deep-rooted anti-semitism movement.  I pray that we would be wise to see the signs before they occur.  We all, as brothers and sisters in the Lord, must stand strong and stay armed with the Armor of God. Thank you for the update and keep em' coming!

[dignitized]

Originally posted by Charles YTK
Did you realize that 40 million heretics, (meaning mostly Jews and protestants) were killed in the Inquisition.

 

FYI: the Inquisition had authority ONLY over the Baptized.  The only "Jews" who were EVER brought before the inquisition were those accused of having made FALSE conversions.  The legends of those put to death by the inquisition are GREATLY exagerated.

[aggie03]

I don't think that it can be said that all Jews cringe at the name of Jesus, the Greek form of Joshua (which I believe is what you write as Yeshua???). That can no more be said than all blacks will cringe everytime that they see a white person walk down the street because of the history of slavery. Do some, probably, but there are those, as has been evidenced on this forum at least, that do not.

As for many of the historical accounts that have been quoted throughout this thread thus far - I would say that none of them have been of the will of God. The crusades? That was something that the Pope, a man made position in a denomination steeped in man made traditions, said would be a good idea. That was not God's will. The holocost? The writings of Martin Luther? Neither of those expressed the will of God either. Just because someone can rip a quote out of context from the Bible, or through some flawed logic arrive at some conclusion that seems to be based on Scripture, that does not make it the will of God.

I truly believe that if all were to come together and follow the Scriptures in context, without denominational teaching, then we would be living and worshipping as God would have us to do.

An a final quick note (I've got to finish reading through this thread) I don't think that anyone who has ever taken action against Jews to be fulfilling the will of God. Granted I do not know every single account of history or is context, but as far as I know the justification of using Scripture to persecute any people has never been according to the will of God, but rather to some man who was trying to persuade the masses to complete some objective of his own.

[Bruno]

Jesus would NEVER promote any killing, or even hurting in any way, of Jews, or anyone for that matter. Just because someone proclaims they are doing something "in the name of Jesus", it doesn't mean they are believers of Jesus. They are the false teachers that the new testaments warns us against. They are under the influence of Satan and their primary job is to keep people away from the True God.

[Higher Truth]

Aggie 03...brilliant post..as well as others on the forum.

[Matthew9:9]

Nazi troops were issued buckles which read, "Gott mit uns" - "God with us."

The SS were extremely far from Christian. The SS were the ones most involved in the NAzi Gay subculture, and as soneone mentioned were heavily, heavily into the occult. They had big secret initiation ceremonies, etc.

I don't believe Hitler had much use for Jesus, to tell the truth. He was more interested in the Norse gods, with their warrior ethic. Remember that Hitler killed alot of Priests and other Christians.

 

[Matthew9:9]

As regards the issue of Jews' response to Jesus, I believe that it is mainly due to a knee-jerk response stemming from ignorance and misdirected anger.

As a Jewish child, I was told that Jesus was a "whore-monger" and sundry other falsities. Generation after generation is taught such nonsense. Sometimes the anger is appropriate: Martin Luther did say those terrible things about how to treat Jews, John Chrysostom also is on record as having said some of the most hateful things about Jews also.

I find it interesting that a Jew who becomes a Buddhist, atheist, or Communist usually retains good relatione with his family, but a Jew (such as myself) who accepts Christ is made an outcast and is considered crazy, or to have joined a "cult." :(

 

 

 

[Higher Truth]

Interesting overview Matthew. I enjoyed perspective.

[dignitized]

Matthew: :sigh: I know many who have had the same experience. Some in my own liniage.

[Neeter]

God's Word says..."But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; "
( 1 Corinthians 1:23 KJV )


Love in Christ,
Nita

[Matthew9:9]

Originally posted by Br. Max
 

FYI: the Inquisition had authority ONLY over the Baptized.  The only "Jews" who were EVER brought before the inquisition were those accused of having made FALSE conversions.  The legends of those put to death by the inquisition are GREATLY exagerated.

 

1.) Every Jew who converted was treated as suspicious. But then so was every Jew who didn't convert. Just like Hitler killed all Jews, not only those who were religiously Jewish - even those who had converted to Christianity or were atheists. Religious practice has seldom mattered when it comes to anti-Semitism.

2.) Your assertions contradict everything I've ever read about the Inquisition. You may be correct, but I'll need sources for your information before I can evaluate it for myself.

 

[Matthew9:9]

The Nazis kept excellent records of everything they did. They were especially proud of their spiffy uniforms. There are hundreds of military reference books detailing every facet of the Nazi uniforms. In addition, Nazi memorabilia is a huge business with many, many collectors. I used to be a military collector myself, before I enlisted in the Army.

Therefore, we do not rely upon eyewitness accounts of Nazi regalia.

So if there are any SS belt buckles which have the name of Jesus on them, they (or, at the very least, pictures of them) should be very, very easy to find.

If you can show me one, I'll be happy to eat my words. 

[TheBear]

I think the fundemantal reason that Orthodox Jews are offended with Christ, is because they don't believe He is the true Messiah.

[Noa]

But in the meanwhile... they worship Him!!! Don´t forget that :clap:

[TheBear]

Orthodox Jews do not worship Christ. Where are you getting this? :scratch:

[Pray4Isrel]

She might be referring to God.

[Noa]

Hajjj Pray4Isrel,

You are right because Yeshua is G´d, but ...

... The Jews worship Adonai (YHVH; I AM) and HaSjem (The ´Name´ and that ìs YHVH; I AM). I try to explain. I´m not that good with English, but I´ll try...

YHVH is The Name like we know as ´I AM´: And God said unto Moses: 'I AM THAT I AM' (YHVH/Adonai/HaSjem); and He said: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent&nbsp;Me unto you.'&nbsp; And God said moreover unto Moses: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: The LORD (Adonai/HaSjem; the Name), the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you; this is My name for ever, and this is My memorial unto all generations.&nbsp; <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: NL; mso-fareast-language: NL; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Exodus 3:14 + 15 </SPAN>

Yeshua said in John 8:58: ´I AM´
Jesus said unto them, "Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am!". They worship Yeshua, because Yehsua IS I AM in Person, but they do not see because of the blindness G´d gave to them so the gentiles could be also saved in His Glorious Name! G´d the Father is YHVH El Sjaddai/El Eljon. G´d is ONE is YHVH Elohiem (the Holy Trinity: YHVH El Sjaddai, YHVH Yeshua and the Roeach HaKodesh).
Well, Yeshua said He is the only Way! It is not accident Mosje heard Yeshua (I AM) in that particular bush...

Well I´ll put 1 and 2 together:
&nbsp;And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto Me because they have thrust him through; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born. Zach. 12:10
And so all Israel shall be saved, as it is written: "There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. Rom.&nbsp;11:26
&nbsp;&nbsp;
Baruch Shem Yeshua HaAdon k´vod Mal´chuto l´olam va´ed.&nbsp; :clap:

(Blessed the Holy Name Yeshua HaAdon of His Kingdom for ever).

Shalom :pink:

&nbsp;

[Bruno]

But why do Orthodox Jews NOT believe Jesus is the Mesiah. That's what I don't understand. What did He do to make them doubt Him???

[Pray4Isrel]

Originally posted by Bruno
But why do Orthodox Jews NOT believe Jesus is the Mesiah. That's what I don't understand. What did He do to make them doubt Him???

Shalom, Bruno!

Well most Jews believe that the Messiah will not be divine in nature but will&nbsp;act as a king by restoring the Davidic monarchy.&nbsp; (this is in a nutshell)

They do not believe that the Messiah will be sinless.&nbsp; They do not believe that He will act as a priest, but that He will be a king that restores Israel.

&nbsp;

[Pray4Isrel]

Originally posted by Noa
Hajjj Pray4Isrel,

You are right because Yeshua is G´d, but ...

... The Jews worship Adonai (YHVH; I AM) and HaSjem (The ´Name´ and that ìs YHVH; I AM). I try to explain. I´m not that good with English, but I´ll try...

YHVH is The Name like we know as ´I AM´: And God said unto Moses: 'I AM THAT I AM' (YHVH/Adonai/HaSjem); and He said: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent&nbsp;Me unto you.'&nbsp; And God said moreover unto Moses: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: The LORD (Adonai/HaSjem; the Name), the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you; this is My name for ever, and this is My memorial unto all generations.&nbsp; <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: NL; mso-fareast-language: NL; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Exodus 3:14 + 15 </SPAN>

Yeshua said in John 8:58: ´I AM´
Jesus said unto them, "Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am!". They worship Yeshua, because Yehsua IS I AM in Person, but they do not see because of the blindness G´d gave to them so the gentiles could be also saved in His Glorious Name! G´d the Father is YHVH El Sjaddai/El Eljon. G´d is ONE is YHVH Elohiem (the Holy Trinity: YHVH El Sjaddai, YHVH Yeshua and the Roeach HaKodesh).
Well, Yeshua said He is the only Way! It is not accident Mosje heard Yeshua (I AM) in that particular bush...

Well I´ll put 1 and 2 together:
&nbsp;And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto Me because they have thrust him through; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born. Zach. 12:10
And so all Israel shall be saved, as it is written: "There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. Rom.&nbsp;11:26
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Baruch Shem Yeshua HaAdon k´vod Mal´chuto l´olam va´ed.&nbsp; :clap:

(Blessed the Holy Name Yeshua HaAdon of His Kingdom for ever).

Shalom :pink:

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Very well said, Noa!&nbsp; And your English is fine!

So basically you and TheBear were saying the same thing.

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Originally posted by Bruno
But why do Orthodox Jews NOT believe Jesus is the Mesiah. That's what I don't understand. What did He do to make them doubt Him???

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Here's a great site to visit if you really want to know why Observant Jews do not believe that Jesus is Messiah:

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/j4j-2000/html/reflib/knowbase.html

(Scroll down a bit for the topics.)

Also feel free to browse the rest of their site: http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/j4j-2000/index.html

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[NOTso angry-amy]

for my family- they dont believe in y'shua because they dont really know enough about what he did, his life, etc.

also, there were so many false calls before the Lord gave us his son.The jews were tricked so many times, what means that this time it is any different?

[Higher Truth]

Matthew,

You have come up with some imformative stuff on this thread and many others.

Thank you.

[NOTso angry-amy]

Originally posted by Bruno
Why are Jewish people so offended by Jesus Christ? I have Jewish friends and just a mention of Jesus makes&nbsp;them cringe. Has He done anything wrong according to the New Testament?

i am sure that someone already talked about this little nit-picky thing, but i find it important to mention and i couldnt find anyone else who already talked about it. sooo.......

Bruno- talking about christ to your jewish friends can be difficult for all of the reasons that others have mentioned, but in your question you mentioned the new testament.

growing up i was not allowed to read the new testament. we didnt talk about it, i knew that it was the bible of jesus, but i dont know much more than that until college.

According to the NT, y'shua hasnt done anything wrong, but a lot of jews dont know that. they havent read the NT, they dont know what is in it, they dont know that y'shua hasnt done anything wrong.

for me, when i was first allowed access to the NT, i debated reading it for some time. that was when the lord softened my heart. a series of blessings and blessings in disguise led me to faith. i still had read very little from the NT, but i&nbsp;believe that if i had been allowed access as a child i would have become a believer earlier, and maybe wouldnt have gone through so much troubled water. :sigh: but g'd has a time and a place for everything.

[Noa]

Very well said, Noa!&nbsp; And your English is fine!

So basically you and TheBear were saying the same thing.

Tnx Pray :pink:

[Matthew9:9]

Higher Truth, thank you for your kind words.

[Martin]

I heard a discussion on the radio (UK) on this topic which included Jewish people (including Rabbis), and the general view was that they don't particularly have a problem with Jesus, it's Paul who's the greatest problem to them.

[NOTso angry-amy]

^how so?^

[dignitized]

Martin: have you ever seen some of the things Talmud has to say about Jesus . . . . WOW talk about NASTY!!

[Matthew9:9]

Originally posted by Br. Max
Martin: have you ever seen some of the things Talmud has to say about Jesus . . . . WOW talk about NASTY!!

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Br. Max, have you researched this topic, or are you relying on second hand info from anti-Semitic websites?

A small web search&nbsp;will turn up information such as this http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesus.html&nbsp;if you're interested in finding it.

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[dignitized]

Matthew: egads NO thank you. I could not take seriously in any way anything posted on an angelfire website. NOR do I frequent anti-semetic websites - I'm not the type into self loathing . . . .

I have done some research but mainly I am using information I have gained from a friend who is a rabbi who accepted the Lord.

[Matthew9:9]

Originally posted by Br. Max
Matthew: egads NO thank you. I could not take seriously in any way anything posted on an angelfire website.

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I wouldn't dismiss it so easily, e4specially without reading it first.
I know the guy who runs it from another discussion board; he's&nbsp;smart and extremely knowledgeable.

I'd give it a look. It helped me out.