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Pray4Isrel
6th December 2002, 11:07 PM
Most of us have read or studied this very amazing chapter that specifically speaks of Yeshua as Messiah by the pinpoint descriptions.  Yet many may not believe in Yeshua.  These verses are critical for us to know since they are prophetic of the Messiah.  We could all go on and on about thie chapter because of how much prophetic fulfillment is contained in each verse.  So as a refresher, re-read Isaiah 53 and post your comments, questions and scriptural parallels.  I have always wanted to dissect these scriptures... just think of the understanding that can come of it!  

Isa 53:1 Who has believed our message ? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed ?
Isa 53:2 For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no stately form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
Isa 53:3 He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
Isa 53:4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted .
Isa 53:5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted , Yet He did not open His mouth; Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, So He did not open His mouth.
Isa 53:8 By oppression and judgment He was taken away; And as for His generation, who considered That He was cut off out of the land of the living For the transgression of my people , to whom the stroke was due?
Isa 53:9 His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
Isa 53:10 But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief ; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
Isa 53:11 As a result of the anguish of His soul, He will see it and be satisfied; By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many , As He will bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12 Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great , And He will divide the booty with the strong; Because He poured out Himself to death, And was numbered with the transgressors; Yet He Himself bore the sin of many , And interceded for the transgressors.



I am so humbled by these verses and what Yeshua did for all of us.





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ATAT
23rd December 2002, 12:27 PM
I'm confused.

Is this forum for debates?

i thought it was for both Messianics and for Orthodox Jews. If so, isn't stating Isaiah 53 with the conclusion:

"I am so humbled by these verses and what Yeshua did for all of us."

Isn't that taking a position, with your request:

"So as a refresher, re-read Isaiah 53 and post your comments, questions and scriptural parallels."

I'm confused as to who you are addressing your post to.

It seems you are excluding the idea that there are Orthodox Jews who might disagree, yet who will read your thread.

I'm just trying to figure this forum spot out.

Thanks,

ATAT

Pray4Isrel
23rd December 2002, 08:53 PM
Shalom, ATAT

This is more of a "refresher" of the scriptures' prophecy of the Messiah. Yes, Messianics believe in Yeshua, but believe it or not, I have spoken with many Jews and Gentiles alike that don't believe these verses pertain to Yeshua. Many believe they represent Israel as a persecuted nation. I have posted this in an attempt to have everyone reread these scriptures to see the true meaning of these verses.

Also, this is a Messianic Jewish forum to discuss Messianic Judaism.

I hope I haven't confused you more!

ATAT
29th December 2002, 10:12 PM
You are quite right.&nbsp; This indeed is a

a Messianic Jewish forum to discuss Messianic Judaism

I made a mistake in posting my post.&nbsp; I hope you forgive me, my mistake, I'm sorry.


I got confused in reading the nature of the forum.&nbsp; I thought this was a forum for Messianics VERSUS Judaism, I see now that&nbsp;the forum&nbsp;is not.

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The&nbsp;Forum heading said:



Messianic Judaism &amp; Jewish Believers (http://www.christianforums.com/forums/34.html)



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I thought that meant

Messianic Judaism and Judaism Believers.

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ooops!&nbsp;

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But, if you want a rebuttal to Is 53 (as you picture it) I would be delighted to engage where appropriate.&nbsp; &nbsp;

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I understand that this is actually not the point of this forum.&nbsp;


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Be well, to you all.&nbsp;
Without further invitation, in this thread / specific forum, I wish all those who come by here the best in love, fulfillment, and commune.&nbsp;



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Pray4Isrel
29th December 2002, 11:34 PM
Please, no need to apologize, friend!

I would be happy to engage in a discussion about this chapter... maybe you'd like to start a thread in the Protestant/Catholic/Jewish forum? I'll see you there if you're interested.

God Bless and no worries about the small mix-up :)

ILJ
12th January 2003, 01:43 AM
Pray4Israel,
Did this person debate you on the other forum? If yes, what is the title of the thread?

In Christ
ILJ

Pray4Isrel
12th January 2003, 01:46 AM
Never debated it. I am still so interested though! :)