Spirtual gifts

[PorcelainHeart]

Do u think mortal even non-christian mortals can have spirtual gifts? I think so, I think GOD blessings us with these gifts for a reason, he wants us to use them for his purpose.

[thenewageriseth]

I think that God gave everyone gifts, at birth, regardless of religious preferences. Also at the same token NOT everyone can trust God.

[PorcelainHeart]

I trust GOD with my life, he is a cool friend :cool: I bet he likes starbucks.

[talitha]

There are three classifications of spiritual gifts - they can be broken down into motivational, manifestational, and ministry gifts.

The motivational gifts listed in Romans 12 are part of a person's natural, inborn character. Everyone has one of those - it's the way God designed you to be before the foundation of the world. This, put together with talents and temperament, etc., determines who you are.

The manifestational gifts listed early in 1 Corinthians 12 (this list includes healings and tongues) are not "possessed" by people in the same way as the motivational ones. These are distributed at the discretion of the Holy Spirit to whomever He chooses, usually but not always in the context of a gathering of disciples of Jesus.

The ministry gifts are touched on in 1 Corinthians 12 also, with the highest ones mentioned in Ephesians 4. These have to do with a mature Christian's function in the Kingdom of God.

Soooo...... the short answer to your question is....... some of them.

blessings
tal

[newyorknewyork]

Do u think mortal even non-christian mortals can have spirtual gifts? I think so, I think GOD blessings us with these gifts for a reason, he wants us to use them for his purpose.

Where in the Bible does it say that God gives everyone spiritual gifts, regardless of whether or not they even believe in him??

i think that everyone has different talents.. like being good at sport or art or cooking or whatever... :)

I have been taught (and I strongly believe) that spiritual gifts are given only to God's children - people who have commited their lives to Christ.

There would be no purpose for God to give spiritual gifts to non-christians. The Bible says that the whole purpose of spiritual gifts is for the building up of the saints. A non-christian with a spiritual gift would likely abuse it. It doesn't even make any sense. Thats like giving a mouse keys to a car?! :D

If someone has a spiritual gift they are likely a child of God and it is a holy gift given to them by God. The only case where I believe otherwise, is when the devil tries to counterfeit the Lord Jesus and he gives unbelievers certain supposed "gifts" - but really these aren't gifts at all. They are merely a trap - a way for satan to leer them closer to himself and farther away from the Lord Jesus Christ.

God bless you in your journey towards the Son of God :angel:

[newyorknewyork]

Do u think mortal even non-christian mortals can have spirtual gifts? I think so, I think GOD blessings us with these gifts for a reason, he wants us to use them for his purpose.

God's purpose? A non-christian lives for themselves, not for God's holy purposes.

Romans 12:3
"We have different gifts according to the grace given to us." (Grace meaning saving grace). Meaning: you are given gifts by God, once you become a Christian :)

Read 1 Corinthians chapters 12-14

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20cor%2012-14&version=31

A spiritual gift if the manifestation of the holy spirit. The Holy Spirit is given to Christians when they choose to become born again. :) While a person is a non-christian they do not have spiritual gifts. The Bible clearly says that spiritual gifts are given by the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit lives only in Christians.

"The Beginners' Guide to Spiritual Gifts" by Sam Storms
explains that spiritual gifts are nothing short of God himself living in christians. How can a non-christian therefore have gifts from God if they don't even have God in them?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0830733922/ref=pd_qpt_gw_1/103-2433627-8624614?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

"In light of this, we may define a spiritual gift as a God-given and therefore gracious, capacity to serve the body of Christ. It is a divinely empowered or spiritually energised potential to minister to the body of Christ by communicating the knowledge, power and love of Jesus." - from the book above by Sam Storms. (page 21)

great book btw! you should read it! :thumbsup:

[PorcelainHeart]

I don't live for myself, I live to help and love others, GOD loves non-christians just as much as others, and I think he will bless them with gifts too. And non-christians aren't all athiest, I'm a non-christian now and I still believe in GOD, I just don't think the bible is 100% true. It doesn't make me a bad person. And I only call myself a non-christian because on this site I'm breaking the rules calling myself a christian.

[talitha]

Kaiya, if you are a Christian, you can call yourself a Christian. You just may not be able to in all honesty post in the Christians-only section of CF under the rules. The policy of CF as I know it is that they can't (of course) be the arbiters of who is actually a recipient of God's grace, but they must draw the line somewhere as to where a person can post. :)

Did you understand my explanation?

blessings
tal

[PorcelainHeart]

no :(

[newyorknewyork]

Kaiya, you told me you are setting up your own religion?? :confused:

[newyorknewyork]

I don't live for myself, I live to help and love others, GOD loves non-christians just as much as others, and I think he will bless them with gifts too. And non-christians aren't all athiest, I'm a non-christian now and I still believe in GOD, I just don't think the bible is 100% true. It doesn't make me a bad person. And I only call myself a non-christian because on this site I'm breaking the rules calling myself a christian.


I totally agree with you when you say that God loves everyone the same!! The Bible tells us that that is true! :clap: Regardless of anything we all do, say, think, believe.. God loves us all equally - YES! :thumbsup:

Maybe we are talking about 2 different kinds of spiritual gifts??

Kaiya, the spiritual gifts I am talking about are those spoken of in the Bible. :thumbsup: They are gifts given by God to His children - Christians - so that they can use them for the edification of the body of Christ. If God gave a non-christian this kind of gift (he doesn't) they wouldn't know what to do with it because they are not part of the body of Christ. Does that make sense? :)

[jpewashere]

I'm glad to hear that you do believe in God! I would first say for you to pray to God and ask for his guidance in whatever you are seeking. Yes god provides everyone with spiritual gifts. And I will say that being a christian or not being a christian has nothing to do with being good or bad. We are all sinners! That is why we need to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior!!!

[Lpe04]

It isn't possible to have spiritual gifts without Holy Spirit. God never would have miraculously healed my friend when I laid hands on her if it weren't for Jesus. I can't think of any Muslims doing miracles or healings, this is because miracles and healings are a sign of God's approval on Jesus Christ and the whole reason for them.

God Bless

[WickedServant]

Do u think mortal even non-christian mortals can have spirtual gifts? I think so, I think GOD blessings us with these gifts for a reason, he wants us to use them for his purpose.

I think that as a standard, no.

It would seem that this is generally a Christian thing, usually involving the 'laying of hands' upon those who are to receive.

However, with God ALL things are possible. ;)

[newyorknewyork]

It isn't possible to have spiritual gifts without Holy Spirit. God never would have miraculously healed my friend when I laid hands on her if it weren't for Jesus. I can't think of any Muslims doing miracles or healings, this is because miracles and healings are a sign of God's approval on Jesus Christ and the whole reason for them.

God Bless

:amen: :amen: :amen: :amen: :amen:

[newyorknewyork]

I think at the end of the day, read the Bible. It is FULL of answers!

[lamblion]

I don't live for myself, I live to help and love others, GOD loves non-christians just as much as others, and I think he will bless them with gifts too. And non-christians aren't all athiest, I'm a non-christian now and I still believe in GOD, I just don't think the bible is 100% true. It doesn't make me a bad person. And I only call myself a non-christian because on this site I'm breaking the rules calling myself a christian.
Why don't you believe the Bible is 100% truth?

[mjashirluk]

everyone has the gifts of god it's only when you give your life and trust in god that they surface and can be used, my gift is tongues but i also have a heart for people which i found out how to use correctly when i gave my life to god

[PorcelainHeart]

because it might not be 100% true, i don't want to put my faith in a book without proof it's 100% true, alot of stuff might be lefted out..

[stone]

it's true,

and if you had proof, then where is your faith?

[thenewageriseth]

So u're saying she ain't got faith if she wants proof?
I mean I know I heard about stuff like Noah's Ark being spotted and the Scriptures from long ago being made into a book that's like hundreds of years old, but even I want proof, cuz it seems that some families (for instance) end up with illnesses whatever they are, and those families were DEVOUT to begin with. :(
So I am confuzzled. :confused:

[thenewageriseth]

It isn't possible to have spiritual gifts without Holy Spirit. God never would have miraculously healed my friend when I laid hands on her if it weren't for Jesus. I can't think of any Muslims doing miracles or healings, this is because miracles and healings are a sign of God's approval on Jesus Christ and the whole reason for them.

God Bless


It's kinda hard to believe in the Holy Spirit. I wanna believe but...maybe I know too much O_O

[newyorknewyork]

???

[Nadiine]

because it might not be 100% true, i don't want to put my faith in a book without proof it's 100% true, alot of stuff might be lefted out..

We place our Faith INTO THE GOD OF THE BIBLE.
The BIBLE tells us in great detail, who God is, who WE are (both in how God loves us & our sin condition) and what's required of us. This is FOR OUR BENEFIT!!!:clap:

It's not "just a book" to [genuine] Christians; it's God's written word to man to reveal Himself to us so that we can better know Him & what is required by our Creator.

The issue is, you either believe it, or you do not.
That's the dividing line - & we're all given the RIGHT to decide for ourselves. I BELIEVE!

The Bible itself doesn't "SAVE" anyone - BUT ITS INSTRUCTION TO US BY GOD LEADS US TO KNOW HOW TO BE SAVED & UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED THE SALVATION.:)

You can't say "I have [the Bible]God" while refusing the Bible as God's word to you because to do that, you've removed it's entire foundation & credibility OF GIVING YOU ANY TRUTH ABOUT HIM/HOW TO PLEASE HIM/WHAT IS GOOD FOR YOU- IN YOUR BEST INTEREST.

In essence, you have Nothing to stand on when you claim SOME Of the bible is right, some is wrong - because you've just rendered parts of it, FALSE or untrue (by the SAME authors that said some things you'll accept becuz you PREFER THOSE..)
What then gives you (or anyone) the right to pick out what's right & what isn't? It ALL becomes subjective & useless to relay truth to us and you've made yourself the authority on truth & are basically unteachable.

Again, we either ACCEPT IT AS GOD'S WORD TO MAN, or we don't. IT claims it is flawless and isn't from "MAN" (men didn't create the concepts, they just wrote it down as the Spirit inspired them within).

So, by its own claims by the writers who are testyfing of it, it is NOT "just a book" by people. (:thumbsup: & JESUS recited from it during His Entire ministry AS TRUTH from God thru eyewitness testimony).

[PorcelainHeart]

i heard some pages are missing though?

[thenewageriseth]

yeah like reincarnation O_o

[talitha]

_:o_

[FaultySurplus]

i heard some pages are missing though?

You're taking chances with your eternity because you "heard pages are missing"? In school, would you disregard your history or science classes if you heard your book had some pages (or an incident/formula)missing?

Truth is truth, even with some fabled missing pages.

[PorcelainHeart]

I can't say what I believe in the truth, I try to accept everyone's belief because No one knows the full truth.

[Nadiine]

I can't say what I believe in the truth, I try to accept everyone's belief because No one knows the full truth.

I think I'll reply to this w/ scripture (which isn't Missing from our Bibles):

Acts 4:12 "Nor is there Salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

John 14:6: "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Me."
:bow: :angel:

[Nadiine]

You're taking chances with your eternity because you "heard pages are missing"? In school, would you disregard your history or science classes if you heard your book had some pages (or an incident/formula)missing?

Truth is truth, even with some fabled missing pages.
i heard some pages are missing though?

I have 2 replies to this:
1). Will what's MISSING change, refute, contradict and go against what we DO already have? What we have now says THIS is the truth already given - anything else given can't and won't be genuine/authentically from GOD if it does.
So it won't CHANGE or UNDO the Bible we have now.

2). If you don't believe & accept what we DO HAVE in the Bible now, what good will any "missing" excerpts do?
If you refuse to believe what you already HAVE, you certainly won't believe the rest as "truth from the one true God".
In fact, I believe it would only cloud things up rather than clear them up.

It wouldn't matter either way if you refuse what you already have now.

[PorcelainHeart]

dont believe or accept anything anymore. :(

[karen freeinchristman]

dont believe or accept anything anymore. :(

:( I'm so sorry to hear this, Kaiya. Maybe it would be good to take a break from discussing this with people on the internet, and just go and pray to God to help you to believe. If you have any desire to know the love of God, ask him to help you to believe. Spend some time in silence, or read some of the Psalms, pray, walk in the sunshine, do something that will help you to reconnect with creation, and hopefully eventually you will come to be in awe of the Creator. He reveals himself in the bible, but he also reveals himself through creation, and through other people. :hug:

[PorcelainHeart]

thank you,

yes, I am not going to discuss this anymore, because everything seems to stress me easy, and Im too sentive to really debate my beliefs, ill keep them to myself for now on, but one more thing I do believe GOD can give people spirtiual gifts, because GOD can do anything, we never know what GOD will and won't do.

[healy]

Do u think mortal even non-christian mortals can have spirtual gifts? I think so, I think GOD blessings us with these gifts for a reason, he wants us to use them for his purpose.





i know the Pope (John Paul II) had spiritual gifts. i was a baby and he came to Mexico. there were special things happening afterwards. i believe in this.

[healy]

oops,sorry i didn't know you were done with this topic and i just read the 1st one.bye.:)

[thenewageriseth]

Can't blame you for that, Kaiya. Each to its own. :thumbsup: Different strokes for different folks. In fact, it takes different strokes to move the world LOL like the theme song says, and so I will continue not believing in the Holy Spirit, until, I see some proof, myself.

[Nadiine]

Can't blame you for that, Kaiya. Each to its own. :thumbsup: Different strokes for different folks. In fact, it takes different strokes to move the world LOL like the theme song says, and so I will continue not believing in the Holy Spirit, until, I see some proof, myself.

Jesus testified of the Holy Spirit directly - how is one a Christian while denying Jesus' teaching on the Spirit?
He is fully God -one of the Trinity (3).
:angel:

[thenewageriseth]

I've heard of glossalalia (speaking tongues) but people I know have tried to speak in tongues, and it sounded like gibberish to me, and not the real deal. And you got most of these preachers who seem to want tithes only and do not have these gifts I heard of. And I have really never heard of anyone being healed...O_O

And when one speaks in tongues, don't they speak another language? The so-called "tongues" I've heard sounded like repeititive gibberish. :P

[PegasusOnFire]

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I am closing this thread as it has gone past it's usefullness, and the OP doesn't wish to discuss this further.

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