Can psychics be christians and vice verse??

[AutumnJ]

Something I've been wondering, for the bible tells us that God is in us and uses us all for different tasks to help eachother. God works through us and uses many different strategies- Is this one of them? why or why not:confused:

[twistedsketch]

When God refers to being in us, that means the Holy Spirit indwells us after we have been born again. This is completely different from the New Age belief that we are all a part of god or Brahma.

Psychics are either fake or real diviners. Divination is also known as witchcraft. That is a sin God tells us to steer clear of.

[AutumnJ]

When God refers to being in us, that means the Holy Spirit indwells us after we have been born again. This is completely different from the New Age belief that we are all a part of god or Brahma.

Psychics are either fake or real diviners. Divination is also known as witchcraft. That is a sin God tells us to steer clear of.
wow, i am really confused now! and did this guy just call me a snake! what kind of christian are you? I was just asking a qeustion on something i don't know about. Maybe someone else can clarify without their pride that deosn't talk in circles- thanx

[AutumnJ]

wow, i am really confused now! and did this guy just call me a snake! what kind of christian are you? I was just asking a qeustion on something i don't know about. Maybe someone else can clarify without their pride that deosn't talk in circles- thanx
oops- oh i get it. u weren't calling me a snake- nevermind

[twistedsketch]

oops- oh i get it. u weren't calling me a snake- nevermind
Haha, nope. I'm just excited about Snakes On A Plane.

[CrazyforYeshua]

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.Deuteronomy 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.Deuteronomy 18:12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Alot of people say it's just an Old Testament thing, but Paul deals with it in the New Testament

Acts 16:16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:Acts 16:17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.Acts 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

It is a spirit of satan, we are to stay away.

[ForumGuy]

The mind has strange abiltys we don't fully understand, and it its not wrong to explore those.
However pretty much all pyschics are fakes, or consulting evil spirits, which is wrong

[getch]

being a psychic is being a witch. witchcraft is not of God so it is of you know who. and you can only sirve one master... think about it

[talitha]

NO!
Just wanted to make sure you understood my point of view.... ;)

So many people buy the hogwash about the "white light of the Holy Spirit"..... makes me mad......

Now to answer something else you said in the OP:

...the bible tells us that God is in us and uses us all for different tasks to help eachother. God works through us and uses many different strategies- Is this one of them? why or why not:confused:

Psychics are nothing but fake prophets. Instead of engaging with the Holy Spirit, they are engaging with whatever spirit presents itself, and since the Deceiver is so anxious to deceive, it will almost always be an evil spirit. I'm only saying 'most of the time,' because even a broken clock is right twice a day......

Just a word to the wise here - true prophecy is not distinguished from false prophecy by whether something predictive comes to pass or not - the difference is the source.

blessings in Christ alone
tal

[AutumnJ]

I just don't understand how some of them can be comming from the devil if they are helping poeple, and what if there are christians with psychic abilities? wouldn't that mean that they have a duty from God?

[CrazyforYeshua]

I just don't understand how some of them can be comming from the devil if they are helping poeple, and what if there are christians with psychic abilities? wouldn't that mean that they have a duty from God?

As someone who grew up with psychic ability, I can tell you it is not of God. I specifically prayed with my Pastor about it, and told God if it was not of Him, to take it (I had read what Dueteronomy and Acts said, and knew I needed to do that), and it was gone. If God wanted me to use it, He woulda left it.

[talitha]

I just don't understand how some of them can be comming from the devil if they are helping poeple
The devil is willing to help some people if it wins him some souls.....

and what if there are christians with psychic abilities?
There are - they are called prophets. And prophetic ministers.

wouldn't that mean that they have a duty from God?
Yes, they would have a duty from God to keep themselves pure of evil spirits, including the divination spirits.

blessings
tal

[AutumnJ]

As someone who grew up with psychic ability, I can tell you it is not of God. I specifically prayed with my Pastor about it, and told God if it was not of Him, to take it (I had read what Dueteronomy and Acts said, and knew I needed to do that), and it was gone. If God wanted me to use it, He woulda left it.

wow, that clears a lot up then

[AutumnJ]

[quote=talitha]The devil is willing to help some people if it wins him some souls.....


How do psychic people, that use their abilities to help people, win souls for the devil?

[talitha]

How do psychic people, that use their abilities to help people, win souls for the devil?
The fact that they have helped someone - for instance, when they help to solve a crime or soothe someone's grieving heart - leads people to turn to them rather than to God. That's what the devil wants - people to rely upon anything other than God - because the devil knows that only in God is there life and hope and the Eternal Promise. If God does not win, the devil wins. There's no other alternative. N'est ce pas?

bless you
tal

[ForumGuy]

As someone who grew up with psychic ability, I can tell you it is not of God. I specifically prayed with my Pastor about it, and told God if it was not of Him, to take it (I had read what Dueteronomy and Acts said, and knew I needed to do that), and it was gone. If God wanted me to use it, He woulda left it.

How could a natraul ability come from anything other than God? Could you elaberate please?

[newyorknewyork]

no

[CrazyforYeshua]

How could a natraul ability come from anything other than God? Could you elaberate please?

I don't know that it was "natural".It IS supernatural. God talks about it in the scriptures I quoted, so it exists, but it is not of Him.

[SandCrab]

Something I've been wondering, for the bible tells us that God is in us and uses us all for different tasks to help eachother. God works through us and uses many different strategies- Is this one of them? why or why not:confused:

I think so, but only if it comes naturally ie: no mediums (runes, tarot cards, stars, etc). My grandmother is one of the best christians around, and when she predicts something (she just pops it out at any time) they are so accurate its scary.

[dentonz]

I just don't understand how some of them can be comming from the devil if they are helping poeple, and what if there are christians with psychic abilities? wouldn't that mean that they have a duty from God?

There are gifts of the Spirit mentioned in 1 Corinthians chapter 12. You might have the beginnings of a 'word of knowledge' or 'word of wisdom' gift.

But remember Satan is the father of all lies. He will present himself as an angel of light. If he has to help people to get them to believe a lie, then that is exactly what he will do. If you consult any spirit other that the Holy Spirit, then you might want to consider the source.

If you feel your in contact with a spirit, if that spirit does not confirm in you that Jesus is the Christ, it is not of God. Everything in Heaven and Earth is subject to the name of Jesus. The Holy Spirit will always glorify Jesus as Lord and Christ.

[AutumnJ]

Well, i think if someone has a gift to help other people and they use it without any mediums like that one guy mentioned then it should be used to serve it's purpose; helping others who are in need, not wasted and disregarded as satanic. That's just stupid to think that the devil is somehow winning by means of that, it doesn't seem like it would have anything to do with him especially if you could confirm and keep a strong connection with christ and the lord. However if the lord takes it away from you then that's another story, everything in HIS will, right?
I think it just kinda irritates me that a lot of christians assume 'everything else' is the devil. I like to keep an open mind about most things or else I would fall by the wayside of ignorance.

[covenantwmn]

Proverbs 14:12 says: There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death." Scripture is clear we are to stay away from these things, and yes, if the enemy of our soul can win for himself, he is willing to seem to help. The Word says he appears as an angel of light. Blessings.

[talitha]

AutumnJ, I tried patiently to explain these things to you. It's not stupid; it's God's ways.

[Wisdom's Child]

The thing to do is Test the Spirit.
(A) Do you see visions, or (B) does God show you visions?

Is the experience (A) empowering, or (B) humbling?

Are you helping by (A) making life choices for others, or
(B) revealing areas of sinfullness and witnessing of God?

Who is in control of the situation ? (A) you, or (B) God.

This will tell you if it is an unclean spirit or the Holy Spirit

.

[VickiY]

Well, i think if someone has a gift to help other people and they use it without any mediums like that one guy mentioned then it should be used to serve it's purpose; helping others who are in need, not wasted and disregarded as satanic. That's just stupid to think that the devil is somehow winning by means of that, it doesn't seem like it would have anything to do with him especially if you could confirm and keep a strong connection with christ and the lord. However if the lord takes it away from you then that's another story, everything in HIS will, right?
I think it just kinda irritates me that a lot of christians assume 'everything else' is the devil. I like to keep an open mind about most things or else I would fall by the wayside of ignorance.

Autumn, I think I can clarify this a bit. (To all non-denoms, please do not consider this post in the nature of a debate).

When we pray to God, "THY will be done"...what we are saying is that we will be submissive to whatever God throws at us, and handle it to the best of our ability, as Christians.

If one consults a psychic, what one says, in effect, is "I want to know NOW, so that I can determine how to act."

The act of saying, however unconsciously, that one wants to know the future to determine how one acts, takes one away from trusting God, and being submissive to His Will.

Now, I hear you saying "But if I only USE the power for GOOD things, how can that lead others from God?"

Firstly, we need to remember that NOT only God can give powers that can be USED for good, and that those powers may do more harm than good.

For instance: Someone, with pure motives, and power to see the truth, may fly around the country finding kidnapped children, and praise God for His blessing in giving them this power. On the surface, one sees only good...miscreants captured, live children restored to doting families.

But there is an underside to that radiant picture. The underside is that people see this...make prime-time movies, mini-series, and other TV shows about psychics who help others. These shows invariably involve serial rapes, kidnappings, and murders...not things that turn our minds and hearts to God. We read of sucessful psychics, and we turn to them for answers. Because we don't know of the names of many, we turn to others...we say at first we are going to "see"...then we listen, and we believe....and we base our actions on advice from these psychics, if they predicted things with accuracy.

In so doing, we TURN AWAY from God...we turn from humble acceptance of His Will, and give up our free will for belief in ANY accurate psychic..regardless of where his power comes from. We tell friends...we get them to place faith in the psychic...we are the cause of someone else's fall...most of us have heard of people who DO change their behaviour from a belief in a reading....without seeing that we have robbed ourselves of free will by so doing. How do we know that God WANTED us to avoid the dark stranger last Thursday?

These little things cause us to stumble, in our misplaced faith. They cause us to make others stumble. Who hasn't felt the desire to go in and prove a psychic wrong when a friend gushes about how accurate they were, and how helpful? There is a terrible temptation, here...one of judgment, when we set ourselves up smugly for resisting evil that our co-workers have succumbed to...one of pride, for the same, or for thinking we can tell the truth for ourselves. There is the temptation "just to see"...they do "so much good"...all these little temptations lead us away from God. Most of us haven't even got the guts to tell our friends that this is an evil thing...we sit with a disbelieving smile and say nothing when they tell of these trips to psychics.

And you see, there is nothing to guarantee where the ability comes from...God, or the evil one. We view these shows, read reports of these "miraculous" saves, and we think that where there is truth, there is God.

But that is not the case. So, to those that have been GIVEN the ability to see things, the best advise is to never, ever, use them...as even IF your gifts come from God, the relating of your ability WILL CAUSE OTHERS TO STUMBLE.

If God needs you, He will make it plain. Do NOT risk your salvation, and that of others, on divination, which the Bible speaks clearly against. Remember...most people do not KNOW from whence they got their ability to "see"...they may not consciously have anything to do with the evil one. They may feel that they are not invoking the aid of anyone, good or evil. But that ability came from somewhere, even if they do not think about where. Accuracy does not prove something is from God.

Divination is wrong. Period.

[talitha]

I am "nondenom" - and I can't imagine how what you said could be taken as debate. Very beautiful post, VickyY.

blessings
tal

PS - HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!

[IJW]

You can't read the Bible and deny that God has used people (ie prophets) to comunicate with his people. However as with any gift that is given to us by God the enemy likes nothing more than to mimic and pervert what is divine. You can see examples of this gift being mocked all through the Bible. From Pharo's magician's to Simon the sorceror in the book of Acts, and we are warned of many more to come. I believe that God still gives the gift of prophesy, but even within the church we have to be very carefull because there is a great potential for spiritual abuse. People sometimes get a sensation that is nothing more than their flesh and although there intentions may be good it can be damaging. This is another subject altogether and I won't dwell on it, but I will say that if someone comes to you and says "I've got a word from God for you" make sure it lines up with scripture and confirms something God has already be ministering to you about. The interesting things about Psycics is that they don't say God is showing me, or the Holy Spirit is showing me. Instead it's usualy a dead loved one. I think psycics generaly fall into the catagories of:
1) Con artists
2) People that consciencely or subconsciencely lead (they prefer the term read) people into giving personal information or ask very broad questions and use that information to gradualy pinpoint more speccific information about the person being "read"
3) And the only other option I can see is that they are in comunication with farmiliar spirits(ie demons)

The reason I can't see a supernatural explaination other than #3 is this. When God uses someone in the area of prophesy it ALWAYS glorifies God, and it is made clear that God is the source and not uncle Bob or aunt June. I don't beleave that the spirits of dead humans roam the earth and comunicate with us. Demonic forces may do this but not our dead loved ones.

[AutumnJ]

OK everybody- I get it. and by the way it's not me that has any powers, i was just wondering about it since i saw a show about it on tv. thanx everyone for clarifying, i understand a lot better now

[Weasel7711]

since the psychic business is a con to get your money, they def would be very bad christians since their profession is scheming people. So my answer is no they cannot

[11MAN]

Something I've been wondering, for the bible tells us that God is in us and uses us all for different tasks to help eachother. God works through us and uses many different strategies- Is this one of them? why or why not:confused:
Hi,
Yes the Bible does mention that Psychics, spiritual mediums etc is witchcraft and divination.

Before I became a beleiver I played around with spiritual mediums and they produced signs and phenomena that made me curious to play around with them.

The danger, spiritually is that it is leading us down a path of spiritual death.

spirits presentingthemselves as Jesus, Mary Michael the archangel can and have deceived many unknowing victims many of which have been professing Christian leaders, Popes, Priests and ministers.

I would enjoy speaking with you more on this subject.
if there are any specific scriptures you wish to speak on or how to discern these false spirits I would enjoy to here back

In Christ
11Man

[mightywarrior77]

If you are not born again and call yourself a physic then you are into witchcraft! We are to stay away from that kind of behavior. On the otherhand if you are a born again Christian. And it the Lord gives you a word of knowledge or gives you a prophetic word that is not being a physic. One is used for the Glory of God and the other is used for the Glory of Man!!!!!

[thenewageriseth]

The devil is willing to help some people if it wins him some souls.....


There are - they are called prophets. And prophetic ministers.


Yes, they would have a duty from God to keep themselves pure of evil spirits, including the divination spirits.

blessings
tal

Okay I am glad I ran across this post. See I thought that psychics who considered themselves Christians could be called prophets as well. I mean the real ones...not the fakes like Ms. Cleo and others :P

Also, what harm is it, (if Christians who call themselves psychics) if they help others and use those powers for God, without calling themselves prophets? Or using both terms? w/e?

[thenewageriseth]

I also understand that Ouija boards, spells, wicca, etc of the like, can condemn you to hell too, right?
I mean I have heard some scary stories about the Ouija boards opening up portals and stuff. Heard it on CoasttoCoastAM.

www.coasttocoastam.com

[talitha]

Okay I am glad I ran across this post. See I thought that psychics who considered themselves Christians could be called prophets as well. I mean the real ones...not the fakes like Ms. Cleo and others.....Nope!

I have some more things to say, but I'm running out of time tonight. I will have more time tomorrow morning - and I will pray about what to say......

Sweet Dreams
tal

[thenewageriseth]

Okay :wave: *has to revise series installments 5 Deep Connection and whatever mentions psychic instead of prophet* :scratch:

[PorcelainHeart]

I think they can be.

[dinonum]

There are two different versions to "psychics" in my opion. There are real 'psychis' who are being used by Satan, but I also believe that even todady God uses us to prphecy when he wants.
Wouldn't really know how to tell the difference, probably depends on what the person in quesiton is 'seeing'.

[c1ners]

I am not a physic, nor am I a prophet. However sometimes I do get visions, and have knowledge of certain events that are about to happen. Is it from Satan, or God? I like to think that it is from God.

If you have these abilities, the best thing to do is to pray to God for guidance. If it is from Satan, God will take it away. However, if it is something that God himself has given you, ask him to strengthen that ability and to help you better understand it.

Don't ever let anyone tell you that you are bad for being the way you are. If you are a Christian, and you've asked God for help, than you are good.

So, my answer to the OP would be a yes. A christian can have physic abilities. As long as you don't use it to help Satan in any way, shape, or form, than you are okay! You can't use your abilities to help people and get money at the same time. It's either one or the other. You can't serve God and man both.

[FLA2760]

Something I've been wondering, for the bible tells us that God is in us and uses us all for different tasks to help eachother. God works through us and uses many different strategies- Is this one of them? why or why not:confused:
Hi
God distributes the "Gifts of the Spirit" in the Body as He wills. Read 1 Corinthians chapter 12 and you will see it speaks of "the word of knowledge" this gift in its operation allows the Christian to know things that they have no natural way of knowing. The Holy Spirit moves this way motivated by love for the edification of the Body (Church).This can be mistaken for psychic ability if you are not familiar with the Scriptural teaching on this. A BORN AGAIN believer that is indwelt by the Holy Spirit is the only candidate for this Gift of the Spirit. Make no mistake about it those who are not saved can have a counterfiet ability that is energized by demonic spirits. Any dabbling or curiousities with the Occult can open one up for this type of deception. We as believers are to "Test the Spirits" to see if they are from God. The test being that any one confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the FLESH; (the Incarnation) is under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Many of the people I have ministered to who are in the occult will say that Jesus was a Prophet and a good man but will NOT say He is God in the flesh; (John 1:1, 14)
, You see salvation could be wrought ONLY by God through the Person of His Son.
God Bless and let us know how you are doing.

[talitha]

Okay, one thing at a time.......

Okay I am glad I ran across this post. See I thought that psychics who considered themselves Christians could be called prophets as well. I mean the real ones...not the fakes like Ms. Cleo and others :P

The word "psychic" comes from the Greek word psukhe, meaning "soul" - the soul consists basically of the thinking, feeling, and decision-making faculties of the inner person. This is the realm of the psychic. The psychic can only "receive" two kinds of things - things that the soul can pick up (this is not supernatural, it's just a talent some people have to "read" others) and things that are communicated to him/her by a spirit. God usually does not communicate to people who are not specifically seeking Him, so usually a person operating solely on the soul level will not pick up things from Him - only from evil spirits, which have no qualms about communicating when people don't ask for it.

A prophet is someone who speaks by divine inspiration. That is the simple explanation - I mean, there are actually different levels of the prophetic, but basically to prophesy is to speak something forth that is from God. When a person prophesies, he or she is NOT speaking things that come from the soul level but from the SPIRIT. Words that come from God are TRUE, and they give life to the spirit. They are not mere predictions and not mere mind-reading. They are much more than that. They encourage us to live righteously, but they do not humiliate or bludgeon us. They give us hope, the kind of hope that will not disappoint - something reliable. They communicate not only the justice but also the love and mercy of God.

Also, what harm is it, (if Christians who call themselves psychics) if they help others and use those powers for God, without calling themselves prophets? Or using both terms? w/e?Without HIM we can do nothing - no good thing springs from the psyche of a man or a woman. Some things that a "psychic" does may be amazing to us, and they may seem good, but only the only good things are those that point people to godliness through Christ, relationship with God, and love for His Kingdom.

I also understand that Ouija boards, spells, wicca, etc of the like, can condemn you to hell too, right?
Those are all forms of divination - ways of illegitimately tapping into the spiritual realm. Divination is sin. The wages of sin is death......

blessings be upon you
tal

[newyorknewyork]

what i have been taught....

there are gifts from God (prophetic gifts) given to his children (Christians) to encourage the Body of Christ.

satan doesn't like this.. so he counterfeits the Lord Almighty and feigns power by pretending to give some people gifts/abilities... these are what we would call psychics. they may or may not know something of the future accurately.. but either way.. they are 100% of the devil = 100% EVIL.

[thenewageriseth]

I am not a physic, nor am I a prophet. However sometimes I do get visions, and have knowledge of certain events that are about to happen. Is it from Satan, or God? I like to think that it is from God.

If you have these abilities, the best thing to do is to pray to God for guidance. If it is from Satan, God will take it away. However, if it is something that God himself has given you, ask him to strengthen that ability and to help you better understand it.

Don't ever let anyone tell you that you are bad for being the way you are. If you are a Christian, and you've asked God for help, than you are good.

So, my answer to the OP would be a yes. A christian can have physic abilities. As long as you don't use it to help Satan in any way, shape, or form, than you are okay! You can't use your abilities to help people and get money at the same time. It's either one or the other. You can't serve God and man both.


Right, see. I didn't want to have to change that trem "psychic" in my series, because they do it for the Lord, but Marina warns Kenya to tell Stanley about "divination" (and Stanley claims it's Tarot cards that are evil) :thumbsup: :D

[PorcelainHeart]

I had a vision my dad car would get stolen and it did.

[thenewageriseth]

Wow :eek: :( bummers

[PorcelainHeart]

lol, he handed it to some random man who said he needed a car to go to some church service, the man never brung it back.

[newyorknewyork]

well why would anyone give their car to a stranger?? i wouldn't!

thats just obvious he's not going to bring it back, IMO.

:)

[SherryWilliams]

This kind of reminds me of Sylvia Brown she's always talking about angels, so I asumed she was christian and bought one of her books after reading it she goes and tells her readers different angels names and what type of powers they have ,and how we should call on thier names when were sick. :eek: She also says her sprit guide told her that there is no satan.I have learned you can't judge a book by its cover.

[NothingButTheBlood]

This kind of reminds me of Sylvia Brown she's always talking about angels, so I asumed she was christian and bought one of her books after reading it she goes and tells her readers different angels names and what type of powers they have ,and how we should call on thier names when were sick. :eek: She also says her sprit guide told her that there is no satan.I have learned you can't judge a book by its cover.

I have been off work for a while and saw her on Montel Williams like 5 times. She also calls on Jesus when she talks to people. She is pretty scary, she is popular and mixes in Christianity into what she says but the Bible contraticts what she tells people. I would like to see her exposed somehow.

[AutumnJ]

Hi,
Yes the Bible does mention that Psychics, spiritual mediums etc is witchcraft and divination.

Before I became a beleiver I played around with spiritual mediums and they produced signs and phenomena that made me curious to play around with them.

The danger, spiritually is that it is leading us down a path of spiritual death.

spirits presentingthemselves as Jesus, Mary Michael the archangel can and have deceived many unknowing victims many of which have been professing Christian leaders, Popes, Priests and ministers.

I would enjoy speaking with you more on this subject.
if there are any specific scriptures you wish to speak on or how to discern these false spirits I would enjoy to here back

In Christ
11Man
Why thank you good man, but i think i've had enough info. :)

[AutumnJ]

Hi
God distributes the "Gifts of the Spirit" in the Body as He wills. Read 1 Corinthians chapter 12 and you will see it speaks of "the word of knowledge" this gift in its operation allows the Christian to know things that they have no natural way of knowing. The Holy Spirit moves this way motivated by love for the edification of the Body (Church).This can be mistaken for psychic ability if you are not familiar with the Scriptural teaching on this. A BORN AGAIN believer that is indwelt by the Holy Spirit is the only candidate for this Gift of the Spirit. Make no mistake about it those who are not saved can have a counterfiet ability that is energized by demonic spirits. Any dabbling or curiousities with the Occult can open one up for this type of deception. We as believers are to "Test the Spirits" to see if they are from God. The test being that any one confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the FLESH; (the Incarnation) is under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Many of the people I have ministered to who are in the occult will say that Jesus was a Prophet and a good man but will NOT say He is God in the flesh; (John 1:1, 14)
, You see salvation could be wrought ONLY by God through the Person of His Son.
God Bless and let us know how you are doing.
Thankyou, i am very well :)

[thenewageriseth]

I have been off work for a while and saw her on Montel Williams like 5 times. She also calls on Jesus when she talks to people. She is pretty scary, she is popular and mixes in Christianity into what she says but the Bible contraticts what she tells people. I would like to see her exposed somehow.

Frankly, I don't see any problems with Sylvia Browne. :) I heard about her on a show called CoasttoCoastAM, which she is on from time to time.

[PorcelainHeart]

Maybe, GOD calls upon Sylvia Browne, dunno. I think GOD gives some people to tell the future for a reason.

[thenewageriseth]

Perhaps he does.

[eldermike]

Can psychics be christians ?

No!

John the Baptist knew something important about the future. Did he tell anyone they were about to recieve a large sum of money? That they were going to marry so and so? Nope! He said repent and be baptized as the Kingdom of the Lord is at hand.

We know the future, it's in the bible.
Knowing the future removes "self" from our priorities.

Phychics play on our flesh nature, they scam the flesh.

If you know the real future as written in the bible you will not be caught up in the scammers that want you to focus on "you".

The future is written. Tell people about Jesus and don't listen to those that want to tell you about you.

[PorcelainHeart]

what if someone really knows the future?

[eldermike]

what if someone really knows the future?

What future? The one in the bible or some other future? My personal future?

God exists - Alpha and Omega
man exists - at God's pleasure

Are we God? Do we exist in the next minute? Will I say I exist tomorrow? Can I say I exist tomorrow?

[PorcelainHeart]

I don't understand you :(

[eldermike]

I don't understand you :(

I am sorry:wave: I hope this helps.

JAS 4:13 Now listen, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money." 14 Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. 15 Instead, you ought to say, "If it is the Lord's will, we will live and do this or that." 16 As it is, you boast and brag. All such boasting is evil. 17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.


You can't know tomorrow without actually boasting about being here.

Also consider these words from Jesus

MT 6 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.



Did this help?

[PorcelainHeart]

no not really :(

[eldermike]

no not really :(

Did you see James 4:14 posted above? It says you do not know what will happen tomorrow.

Did James tell the truth? Did He say; we do not know the future?

[Lynn73]

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[Lynn73]

Maybe, GOD calls upon Sylvia Browne, dunno. I think GOD gives some people to tell the future for a reason.

In order to be God's prophet she would have to be 100% right 100% of the time. Psychics are of the occult, not of God.

[4ujesus]

When it comes to Psychics one of two things is true about everyone of them.

They are either,

Complete Frauds who attempt to portray themselves as having some sort of supernatural power in order to fleece people of their money,

Or they have some supernatural capabilities, most often to tell you about your past(as Satan cannot see into the future), that come from Satan.

In either case the only time we should ever visit a psychic as a Christian, is not to hear from them (walk not in the counsel of the ungodly), but to share with them the Love, Grace and Mercy of our Savior, and to boldly proclaim the Gospel of Christ.

I have encountered several psychics over the years, some of whom approached me with accurate information about my past, but I knew the source, and instead of being sucked in by them, I shared with them the truth of the gospel. Most turn and walk away, but I was able, by the grace of God, to lead a women who read palms and her daughter to the Lord at a company function many years ago. They left the "business" and started attending our Church, and found out the true source of hope and peace for the future is in Christ, and His Word, and the comfort of the Holy Spirit, not the channeling of familiar spirits.

The Lord love psychics, but he hates what they do. May we reach out to them in Love with the Truth of the Gospel, but never seek their ungodly counsel.

[WalksWithChrist]

In order to be God's prophet she would have to be 100% right 100% of the time. Psychics are of the occult, not of God.If that holds thru, then there are a lot of prophets out there that are of the occult then. It's highly rare to have a prophet who is 100% all the time. This is a very sticky subject to analyse cuz of the interpretation factor among other things.

[PorcelainHeart]

I predicted a few things that became true, most were in dreams, but alot weren't. I don't know the future totally but I know alot of stuff that might happen. I think GOD has given me these powers for a reason.

[Lynn73]

If that holds thru, then there are a lot of prophets out there that are of the occult then. It's highly rare to have a prophet who is 100% all the time. This is a very sticky subject to analyse cuz of the interpretation factor among other things.

I don't see much sticky about it. If a person claims prophetic powers from God and what they say doesn't come to pass every time then they are liars. Psychics are NOT prophets of God.


http://www.fillthevoid.org/Occult/Psychics.html

[WalksWithChrist]

I don't see much sticky about it. If a person claims prophetic powers from God and what they say doesn't come to pass every time then they are liars. Psychics are NOT prophets of God.


http://www.fillthevoid.org/Occult/Psychics.htmlhaha Then there are a lot of liars out there! ^_^

[WalksWithChrist]

I predicted a few things that became true, most were in dreams, but alot weren't. I don't know the future totally but I know alot of stuff that might happen. I think GOD has given me these powers for a reason.:thumbsup:

[4ujesus]

AMEN Lynn73,

A Prophet is one who speaks for God, Having been gifted and empowered by God to do so.

Since it is God who is speaking, It will always been right, because God is never wrong!

Prophecy comes from God and thus must always be true. Psychics are either fraudulent liars or they have recieved there information from the father of Lies.

God speaks to us through His Word, By His Spirit, and even through other believers(Holy Spirit within them), and since the Holy Spirit is not the author of confusion, all prophetic truth will be in complete agreement with the Word of God.

We have the Bible, We are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, Why would we ever turn to the father of lies for answers?

[Nadiine]

If that holds thru, then there are a lot of prophets out there that are of the occult then. It's highly rare to have a prophet who is 100% all the time. This is a very sticky subject to analyse cuz of the interpretation factor among other things.

Hi all,

Actually, even being 100% right in predictions isn't enough to prove one is 'of God'.

ALL psychics are in the same group as 'diviners, spiritists, mediums, sorcerers, charmers' etc. which God forbids us to seek (that includes your horoscope).
They themselves don't claim to be speaking from or for the God of the Bible.

Even if they were always correct (which they aren't), their source of information isn't God.

1 Tim. 4:1 'test the spirits'.

I'm really glad to see so many in this post agree that psychics of any kind are not from God.
=)

[PorcelainHeart]

what if u have the power to do that stuff? are you pagan?

[Tenebrae]

I just don't understand how some of them can be comming from the devil if they are helping poeple, and what if there are christians with psychic abilities? wouldn't that mean that they have a duty from God?There is the gift of knowledge, which is a gift of the holy spirit

But pyshics who use tarrot cards, pendulms, palm reading etc, no one can not do these things and be a christian

Divination is a big no no

[Stan53]

No and no. God isn't a "mystic".

[Templedweller]

No these cannot be due to the wealth of info stated in the word of Spirit gudes witch craft and all.....While receiving massage one time I had to pray against the White Light of the Holy Spirit Mumbo Jumbo as I am a believer in Jesus Christ and wasn't about to have another deity come and try and do anything to me...I asked God's Spirit to be near and God Showed Faithful as He ALWAYS is!!!

[icedtea]

Absolutely not. Unless one considers a totally backslidden person a christian.
If they are not frauds, which most are, they get their "info" from demons. God forbids this. I've been there, done that.
The occult carries demons with it, get into it, they hang around with you. I was an astrologer and know from experience.

[Templedweller]

I agree HD

[Nadiine]

Absolutely not. Unless one considers a totally backslidden person a christian.
If they are not frauds, which most are, they get their "info" from demons. God forbids this. I've been there, done that.
The occult carries demons with it, get into it, they hang around with you. I was an astrologer and know from experience.

Oh ya! You invite demonic attack and influence once you step into their territory.
I read a post here earlier that couldn't understand why if a psychic does "good" with their information, how can that be "wrong"?

EASILY, the SOURCE of the info is demonic. Satan isn't giving information to HELP US, BUT TO BIND US and take us down.
God tells us he's out to steal, kill and destroy. How is he doing "good" for us?
Do sheep go to a wolf for help???

WE BETTER START HEEDING GOD'S WORD AND TRUSTING THAT HE IS FORBIDDING THINGS FOR OUR OWN GOOD TO KEEP US FROM TROUBLE & HARM than decide for ourselves what's good & bad.

Do we know more than God?
Said in love :wave:

[icedtea]

The whole thing about good and evil. Witchcraft says there is good magic and bad magic. All occult magic is bad.
Like a famous preacher once said God didn't come to make bad people good, He came to make dead people alive.

[newyorknewyork]

I predicted a few things that became true, most were in dreams, but alot weren't. I don't know the future totally but I know alot of stuff that might happen. I think GOD has given me these powers for a reason.

doesn't everyone know a lot of stuff that MIGHT happen?

i might go to sleep tonight at 11pm or i might to sleep at 9:30pm?

I might get called in to work this week at extra few days or i might not?

I might clean the house today or i might not?

Kaiya, the Bible says power is given by God to Christians. Any other power is counterfeit, evil and of the devil. Check out the Bible. :) :hug:

[newyorknewyork]

Absolutely not. Unless one considers a totally backslidden person a christian.
If they are not frauds, which most are, they get their "info" from demons. God forbids this. I've been there, done that.
The occult carries demons with it, get into it, they hang around with you. I was an astrologer and know from experience.

Kaiya, looks like this post will answer a lot of your questions :hug: :hug:

[icedtea]

Kaiya, the Bible says power is given by God to Christians. Any other power is counterfeit, evil and of the devil. Check out the Bible. :) :hug:
True. If one is a christian, God can give knowledge. One night I felt worried for no reason, and started praying for my then boyfriend.
He called a few hours later. I told him, and he said "yah, some guy came into work and held us up".

[Nadiine]

what if u have the power to do that stuff? are you pagan?

Hi Kaiya,

I'll just repeat what most spiritual warfare leaders teach about psychic powers & their sources.

But first I want to agree with the previous posts here - GOD CAN & DOES GIVE INSIGHT at times for special purposes.
He's shown me a few things in my life at very critical times that I know only came from him (and the warnings/answers were correct). So absolutely, God DOES allow us to see things.

What I don't see is Christians that have CONTINUAL "powers" to see ahead.
As if the valve is never shut off; insights & images keep coming at them.... & MAINLY it's nothing they can understand or make sense of.
Normally, if you're shown something by God, He also sends YOU or someone else that will interpret what you were given.
Not just random visions/sights/premonitions that you can't do anything about or have any involvment in.

I've personally not known any Christians who's insights/visions just come at them & they have no interpretation of it, or can't DO anything with it.
(more of a random, makes no sense type stuff that won't stop).
THAT brings a Christian into focus of the power rather than GOD relaying important information.

Back to spiritual warfare teachers... I've done alot of study on this because I got tangled up w/ someone from the occult personally & almost didn't make it back out!

It's widely taught that people with these "gifts" of power have INHERITED dark spirits that get passed down from generation to generation.

Feel free to disagree with that, but I have studied it and I find it plausible biblically. No, I'm not saying SINS get passed down from gen. to gen. - but spirits that bring certain family "habits" only.

We see this alot in families that have occultism in them, where children in later generations are 'born with powers' and haven't done ANYTHING at all to attain them or use them. (& that isn't genetical/dna being passed down like you could say with generational suicide, alcoholism, abuse, that runs in families).

It's an interesting study at least (even if you disagree w/ it). I don't claim it IS fact - but I personally think it has some merit & could be a possibility.

Anyways, most psychics are dabbling/practicing the occult directly by some means - doing something to 'mature' & perfect their "gift".
The POWER itself is their main focus.
& they aren't reading the bible or praying to the Lord for HIM to enhance it.
So how they 'mature' or 'perfect' the power they have is key too, along with what their main focus is.
The source isn't GOD.

just my 2 cents :holy:

[PorcelainHeart]

i gaved up on religion so, im not worried about it now.

[eldermike]

i gaved up on religion so, im not worried about it now.

Kaiya,
So did I, I am not part of any religion. I am a follower of Jesus. One of the best parts of following Jesus is not worring about the future. God has promised me that He will walk me through any situation, trial or issue in my life. That's a good feeling and it has more value than knowing whats ahead for me. Why?, because knowing it will not help you unless you also can control it, and you can't. The Creator of the Universe has control, I'll stick with Him.

The bible has been very dependable, if fact perfectly dependable in my life. So much so that I am convinced that it's truth. Not by someone telling me so, it's by experience.

I gave you a few bible verses concerning our ability to know the future. Go back and take another look at them.

God bless you:wave:

[icedtea]

Kaiya, I used to be interested in the occult, because I felt you could know mysterious things, sortof exciting.
But I found out life from Jesus and really Knowing the Bible is more mysterious and wonderful!

[newyorknewyork]

well what does the Bible say about this? :)

[PorcelainHeart]

I'm not interest in a occult, I just wonder why some things I say come true do come true, and I wonder why things in my dream come true.