Anyone Ethnically Jewish?

[Flicker]

Hello, I was wondering if there are any people in this subforum who are ethnically Jewish -- having at least a mother who is Jewish. :wave: :thumbsup: :bow:

[Wags]

Why?

[Flicker]

Just curious.

[christianmomof3]

Yes. But not Messianic - does that count? I just like to visit here though. :)

[Tishri1]

Hello, I was wondering if there are any people in this subforum who are ethnically Jewish -- having at least a mother who is Jewish. :wave: :thumbsup: :bow:I am:thumbsup:

[talmidim]

How about ethically Jewish?

[Ashley_for_Yeshua]

My great grandma and other's on my on my mother's side were Jewish. My mother is a devout Christian.
There are also some Jews on my father's side.:)

[Tishri1]

How about ethically Jewish?Ok what does ethically mean? Was that a trick question:sorry:?

[simchat_torah]

Yes.

[talmidim]

Ok what does ethically mean? Was that a trick question:sorry:?tee he he :D

[Tishri1]

Yes.Happy Birthday Friend:hug:! Boy lots of Birthdays this time of year eh? Two of My sons were born a month apart March and April......Hmmmm nine month ago was Simchat Torah maybe?:D That would be soooo cool!

[Tishri1]

tee he he :Dhey you stinker where is your cane so I can bop you one ^_^

[simchat_torah]

Thank you for the warm birthday greeting ;)

As to the question what does ethnic mean, I think it is in reference to genetics.

[Ivy]

Why?

Sometimes it's a nice thing to know in that it could prevent a little embarrassment: for instance, it is a little awkward for a Christian person to express their love for the Jewish people, or their sorrow about the abuses that have come from Christians.......only to have the person they're speaking to say they weren't born Jewish, that they were raised a Swedish Lutheran for instance, and so of course their family suffered no anti-Semitism or persecution, and the apology doesn't really belong to them.

It's a little embarrassing.

[Torah]

Sometimes it's a nice thing to know in that it could prevent a little embarrassment: for instance, it is a little awkward for a Christian person to express their love for the Jewish people, or their sorrow about the abuses that have come from Christians.......only to have the person they're speaking to say they weren't born Jewish, that they were raised a Swedish Lutheran for instance, and so of course their family suffered no anti-Semitism or persecution, and the apology doesn't really belong to them.

It's a little embarrassing.


The apology belongs to all Jewish people. Because many Jewish people were raised as Christians so they would not have to go through persecution. In other words there heritage was taken/stolen from them so they would not suffer anti-Semitism persecution:cry: . After WW2 many Jews changed there names and called them self Christians so as to blend in.

How about if you’re Jewish mother leaves home pregnant [raped, story in of it self] marries a catholic man to get away from the name calling. Then, when the your grand mother sends Hanukkah, Passover, Rosh Hashanah cards to you, and your steep father [who you think is your real father] tells you ,your grand mother is nuts and don’t go around telling people your Jewish. Because your not, you’re a Christian. Then forbids your Jewish aunts, uncles, & Grand mother from visiting because he doesn’t want you to know of your Jewish roots. Then after you get old enough to search your family and find that your roots were stolen from you by an anti-Semitism step father. And you start learning about your family and how they suffered at the hands of Nazi’s and how some of them come to the USA. You start getting a scents of pried, hurt & sadness of who you are.
Then when you tell your Husband’s family that your family is Jewish and you’re Mother-in-law starts screaming, “Don’t tell me my grand children have JEW blood in them” “Don’t tell me my grand children have JEW blood in them” “Don’t tell me my grand children have JEW blood in them” “how could you marry a Jew”. All this in front of your grandchildren, :cry:

Moses was raised in the Pharos home, but when he found out who he was, his brothers hurt become his hurt. :cry:

It all was at the hands anti-Semitism and persecution.

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My wife’s people/ heritage are my people. [When my mother spoke those hurtful words I cried:cry: ] as I pray over my children each Shabbat “may you carry forward the life and the traditions of our people?”

[Flopsy Rabbit]

Those who hate Jews, hate G-d and they show by their actions who their father is. So as awful as they are, they are as Yeshua said, of their father the devil.

[Ivy]

The apology belongs to all Jewish people. Because many Jewish people were raised as Christians so they would not have to go through persecution. In other words there heritage was taken/stolen from them so they would not suffer anti-Semitism persecution:cry: . After WW2 many Jews changed there names and called them self Christians so as to blend in.

How about if you’re Jewish mother leaves home pregnant [raped, story in of it self] marries a catholic man to get away from the name calling. Then, when the your grand mother sends Hanukkah, Passover, Rosh Hashanah cards to you, and your steep father [who you think is your real father] tells you ,your grand mother is nuts and don’t go around telling people your Jewish. Because your not, you’re a Christian. Then forbids your Jewish aunts, uncles, & Grand mother from visiting because he doesn’t want you to know of your Jewish roots. Then after you get old enough to search your family and find that your roots were stolen from you by an anti-Semitism step father. And you start learning about your family and how they suffered at the hands of Nazi’s and how some of them come to the USA. You start getting a scents of pried, hurt & sadness of who you are.
Then when you tell your Husband’s family that your family is Jewish and you’re Mother-in-law starts screaming, “Don’t tell me my grand children have JEW blood in them” “Don’t tell me my grand children have JEW blood in them” “Don’t tell me my grand children have JEW blood in them” “how could you marry a Jew”. All this in front of your grandchildren, :cry:

Moses was raised in the Pharos home, but when he found out who he was, his brothers hurt become his hurt. :cry:

It all was at the hands anti-Semitism and persecution.

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My wife’s people/ heritage are my people. [When my mother spoke those hurtful words I cried:cry: ] as I pray over my children each Shabbat “may you carry forward the life and the traditions of our people?”

Your post just about made me cry right here in the public library.........:cry: :cry: :cry: I'm so sorry all those terrible things happened to your family, Torah, and that some of your loved ones were deprived of their wonderful Jewish heritage........and I'm very very sorry that Christians were responsible. It was so wrong, so very wrong. I'm trying in a way to give my life to make amends, though the whole thing is so incalculably awful.
I want the Jewish people to fluorish in every way and I love them dearly and you and your family, too.

I hope my post did not hurt you, it really wasn't about any Jewish person who was ever forced to convert to Christianity.

I just met a lady whose parents kept their Jewish heritage a secret from their children.......she recently found out (she was one of the children) and is now trying to play catch-up to this precious heritage that she was deprived of.

[Torah]

Ivy I am sorry I went off on a rant like I did. This is my heart and my family’s blood. Just last week I take my daughter out to search for a car for her to buy. A sales lady is showing us a car, and I explained to her that we only have X amount of dollars to work with. She says to me “let’s go talk to the manager maybe we can Jew him down”. My daughter gasp and looked at me with eyes that are saying. “O-no! don’t dad”. She knows me. But I was good. I turn around real fast look this lady right in the eye and say, “Were Jewish”. I have never seen a person turn so white in all my life, she just stood there with her mouth open. We got into our car and drove away.
My kids say they hear things like that a lot over the years. Ivy as a believer in Yeshua I love you and it’s just the way I took it. Shalom be upon your head.

[Wags]

Sometimes it's a nice thing to know in that it could prevent a little embarrassment: for instance, it is a little awkward for a Christian person to express their love for the Jewish people, or their sorrow about the abuses that have come from Christians.......only to have the person they're speaking to say they weren't born Jewish, that they were raised a Swedish Lutheran for instance, and so of course their family suffered no anti-Semitism or persecution, and the apology doesn't really belong to them.

It's a little embarrassing.

I suppose so - but the question was very generic and in my experience those types of questions are often asked by persons with an agenda. If one beleives that there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Messiah than it shouldn't matter.

Personally I refuse to answer that question (its been asked a few times). I am simply a messianc believer my ethnicitiy doesn't matter. Although I suppose if someone was around this forum long enough they could probably guess, just like they would figure out that I am a mother.

[Tishri1]

The apology belongs to all Jewish people. Because many Jewish people were raised as Christians so they would not have to go through persecution. In other words there heritage was taken/stolen from them so they would not suffer anti-Semitism persecution:cry: . After WW2 many Jews changed there names and called them self Christians so as to blend in.

How about if you’re Jewish mother leaves home pregnant [raped, story in of it self] marries a catholic man to get away from the name calling. Then, when the your grand mother sends Hanukkah, Passover, Rosh Hashanah cards to you, and your steep father [who you think is your real father] tells you ,your grand mother is nuts and don’t go around telling people your Jewish. Because your not, you’re a Christian. Then forbids your Jewish aunts, uncles, & Grand mother from visiting because he doesn’t want you to know of your Jewish roots. Then after you get old enough to search your family and find that your roots were stolen from you by an anti-Semitism step father. And you start learning about your family and how they suffered at the hands of Nazi’s and how some of them come to the USA. You start getting a scents of pried, hurt & sadness of who you are.
Then when you tell your Husband’s family that your family is Jewish and you’re Mother-in-law starts screaming, “Don’t tell me my grand children have JEW blood in them” “Don’t tell me my grand children have JEW blood in them” “Don’t tell me my grand children have JEW blood in them” “how could you marry a Jew”. All this in front of your grandchildren, :cry:

Moses was raised in the Pharos home, but when he found out who he was, his brothers hurt become his hurt. :cry:

It all was at the hands anti-Semitism and persecution.

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My wife’s people/ heritage are my people. [When my mother spoke those hurtful words I cried:cry: ] as I pray over my children each Shabbat “may you carry forward the life and the traditions of our people?” WOW! That is almost just like my history:eek:

[Ivy]

Torah, you don't need to say sorry, rant all you want, I'm with you and your people, your rants are safe with me.:hug: :hug: And you too, Tishri, if you ever feel like ranting, and you too Wags though you seem like a calm sort of personality in general. :cool:

My point kind of was......well, since I'm in a Messianic congregation, nice Christian people could come up to me apologizing for all the terrible things done to the Jewish people--and I'm not Jewish, what apologies do I deserve? That's what would be embarrassing.

I'm glad you gave that car dealer something to think about, Torah.

[Torah]

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Anyone Ethnically Jewish?



Hello, I was wondering if there are any people in this subforum who are ethnically Jewish -- having at least a mother who is Jewish



Wags
I suppose so - but the question was very generic and in my experience those types of questions are often asked by persons with an agenda. If one beleives that there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Messiah than it shouldn't matter.

Personally I refuse to answer that question (its been asked a few times). I am simply a messianc believer my ethnicitiy doesn't matter. Although I suppose if someone was around this forum long enough they could probably guess, just like they would figure out that I am a mother.:thumbsup:


I agree with you Wags I do not like to answer questions like this. “types of questions are often asked by persons with an agenda”. I worry about AGENDA! [This might sound a little far fetched to some, But how hard would it be to locate any of us if someone wanted to?]
Example: Who is Flicker? His Profile is not very informative and even if it was we don’t know a person. Don’t get me wrong, I do believe most here are up front with who they are. But 1 out of 100 makes me wonder about an agenda.


Tishri1 WOW! That is almost just like my history

I know. I am learning that there are a lot of Jews that have went into hiding and, I believe, G-d is doing something in these last days, and bring them out. :thumbsup:


Ivy your a
Very sweet lady, may his peace be upon you.:wave:

[Wags]

I agree with you Wags I do not like to answer questions like this. “types of questions are often asked by persons with an agenda”. I worry about AGENDA! [This might sound a little far fetched to some, But how hard would it be to locate any of us if someone wanted to?]
Example: Who is Flicker? His Profile is not very informative and even if it was we don’t know a person. Don’t get me wrong, I do believe most here are up front with who they are. But 1 out of 100 makes me wonder about an agenda.


A few years back a group of us did a rally in support of Israel in our small town. This town is notorious for it's past involvement with white supremecy, KKK and other hate groups. (Still makes the national watch list - although no hate crimes occured there in the 9 years we lived there). But we had persons - other than the news media - that made it a point to come by and take our pictures. Never did figure out what their agenda was..... I was just glad I had good watch dogs and good neighbors!

If someone asks to know what a person raised in a Jewish home did for a particular holiday or how they view something that is a more specific question and doesn't raise the hairs on my neck like just a broad general question from a complete stranger.

Look at it this way - would you walk into a Messianic congregation and for your opening line say "hey was anyone here born Jewish?" Probably not.

[Tishri1]

One of the reasons why people want to know if we are Jewish is to justify WHY we study the Torah and celebrate the Festivals....That is one of greatest reason why we can and should tell them if we are not or were not raised Jewish because it inspires them that Everyone can be drawn to this, whether Jew or not:groupray:

[Ivy]

I agree with you Wags I do not like to answer questions like this. “types of questions are often asked by persons with an agenda”. I worry about AGENDA! [This might sound a little far fetched to some, But how hard would it be to locate any of us if someone wanted to?]


You know, I never even thought of it like that......I'm glad you pointed it out because I want to grow in my ability to appreciate how things look from a Jewish person's perspective.

Maybe it would be better, if a person asks that question (and you're right, Wags, it does sound a little rude now I think about it, though maybe that person wasn't meaning to be rude), to explain why they are asking......such as "My friend asked me why tallits have blue stripes, and I want information from those who know" etc. etc.

Or maybe they should just ask their informational question. :)

[Sephania]

The apology belongs to all Jewish people. Because many Jewish people were raised as Christians so they would not have to go through persecution. In other words there heritage was taken/stolen from them so they would not suffer anti-Semitism persecution:cry: . After WW2 many Jews changed there names and called them self Christians so as to blend in.
:wave: Some even before the war. :)

[nattie]

kinda sience G-d is Jewish

[johnd]

It does bait the question who is a Jew?

The rebs argue this but generally believe father Abraham was the first "Jew." Then came the exiles, pograms, holocaust, you name it and thus the reckoning through the mother (when once it was the father). Then there's what Torah wrote about avoiding persecution. What about those sold into slavery? Or merchants who ventured out beyond where the numbers allowed for even a minyon?

Wasn't it Ben Gurion who said "If they consider themself a Jew they are a Jew. Why else would they want to be?"

Here is an excerpt of a speech he later gave (note what he said about how many commandments are actually being kept).\

http://encarta.msn.com/media_701507526_761567959_-1_1/Ben-Gurion_on_%E2%80%9CWhat_Is_a_Jew_%E2%80%9D.html

[christinepro]

Hello, I was wondering if there are any people in this subforum who are ethnically Jewish -- having at least a mother who is Jewish. :wave: :thumbsup: :bow: I am not ethnically Jewish but my Jewish friend said I am grafted in as a Jew.

[Ivy]

It does bait the question who is a Jew?

Here is an excerpt of a speech he later gave (note what he said about how many commandments are actually being kept).\

http://encarta.msn.com/media_701507526_761567959_-1_1/Ben-Gurion_on_%E2%80%9CWhat_Is_a_Jew_%E2%80%9D.html

That was cute. :)
But why did he say 630 commandments? I thought it was 613.....?
And the 100 that people are not keeping, are those the ones that had to do with the temple sacrifices?

[Ivy]

It does bait the question who is a Jew?



Here is an excerpt of a speech he later gave (note what he said about how many commandments are actually being kept).\

http://encarta.msn.com/media_701507526_761567959_-1_1/Ben-Gurion_on_%E2%80%9CWhat_Is_a_Jew_%E2%80%9D.html

That was cute. :)
But why did he say 630 commandments? Wasn't it 613?
And the 100 ones not being kept, are those the ones that had to do with the Temple?

[johnd]

That was cute. :)
But why did he say 630 commandments? I thought it was 613.....?
And the 100 that people are not keeping, are those the ones that had to do with the temple sacrifices?

He did say 613. Thick Israeli accent, you know...