The Ancient Way [Open] Café

[OrthodoxyUSA]

http://static.flickr.com/21/39168471_c1da60f636.jpg

I hereby dedicate this thread to the weak, the hungry, the orphan, the widowed, and the poor!

~Thanks for the picture selection Eric!~

Nah Nah :P

I claim first post!

WAGONS EAST! HO!

Forgive me.....:liturgy:

[MariaRegina]

Great idea. Let's start advertising.

Got to stock up on fine wines, cheese (oops, it's still Great Lent), good French bread, and ...?

Where are the musicians with their violins?

[MariaRegina]

Do we have to serve fasting foods to our beleaguered guests who have traveled so far to reach us in these Eastern Realms?

Where is our hospitality? Bring on the cheeses.

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Do we have to serve fasting foods to our beleaguered guests who have traveled so far to reach us in these Eastern Realms?

Where is our hospitality? Bring on the cheeses.

Absolutly NOT!

We treat them like guests!

Wine! Music!

Straighten those table cloths...

Alright everybody.... SMILE!

Forgive me....:liturgy:

[EricTheRed]

http://static.flickr.com/21/39168471_c1da60f636.jpg

[Khaleas]

So this is where the party is???

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/usnagf8/manynanas.gif

[EricTheRed]

SHHHH the party is in the back room. If the word gets out everyone will want in.

[OrthodoxyUSA]

http://static.flickr.com/21/39168471_c1da60f636.jpg

O.K. Eric!

That's got to be moved to the OP.... do you mind?

Forgive me....

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Kum ba yah, my Lord, kum ba yah!
Kum ba yah, my Lord, kum ba yah!
Kum ba yah, my Lord, kum ba yah!
O Lord, kum ba yah!
Someone’s laughing, Lord, kum ba yah!
Someone’s laughing, Lord, kum ba yah!
Someone’s laughing, Lord, kum ba yah!
O Lord, kum ba yah!
Someone’s crying, Lord, kum ba yah!
Someone’s crying, Lord, kum ba yah!
Someone’s crying, Lord, kum ba yah!
O Lord, kum ba yah!
Someone’s praying, Lord, kum ba yah!
Someone’s praying, Lord, kum ba yah!
Someone’s praying, Lord, kum ba yah!
O Lord, kum ba yah!
Someone’s singing, Lord, kum ba yah!
Someone’s singing, Lord, kum ba yah!
Someone’s singing, Lord, kum ba yah!
O Lord, kum ba yah!
Kum ba yah, my Lord, kum ba yah!
Kum ba yah, my Lord, kum ba yah!
Kum ba yah, my Lord, kum ba yah!
O Lord, kum ba yah!




Forgive me.....

[EricTheRed]

sure, I mean I just got it off of google images anyways ;)

[Fuzzy Fungi]

Where are the musicians with their violins?

You could do the music standard cafe coffee-house style, with an open stage for musicians.

I could do some nice jazzy tunes on my trombone while people sporting dark glasses and turtlenecks sip cafe lattes :P

[RobNJ]

You call THOSE icons, and vigil lamps?


IS OUTRAGE!!!! ^_^

[EricTheRed]

You play trombone to? I do..but I am not good at it. Well to be honest, I stink.

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I have a guitar, I cant play it, but I have one....:sorry:

Forgive me....

[kamikat]

I'll be the barista! I worked at a Starbucks many years ago. I think I can still get a good froth. And, yes, we do have soy lattes until next week!

kamikat

[OrthodoxyUSA]

You call THOSE icons, and vigil lamps?


IS OUTRAGE!!!! ^_^

Sir!

You are disturbing the other patrons.... If they wan't to call those icons.... well, you just sit there and be quiet, no more outbursts... these people are here to talk freely..... this is a social setting mister..... not worship services.... I would think you would know the difference. ^_^

Forgive me....:liturgy:

[EricTheRed]

Do we need a bouncer?

[RobNJ]

I play a mean kazoo!!

[EricTheRed]

Sir,

One more outburst and I will have to complain to the manager.

[Fuzzy Fungi]

You play trombone to? I do..but I am not good at it. Well to be honest, I stink.

How long have you played trombone?

I've been in school band and playing trombone for almost 6 years (Best instrument ever, in my not so humble opinion :P ).

It isn't my only musical talent, though. This year I tried my hand at singing ( "Everybody have Fun Tonight" by Wang Chung in my school's 1987 themed Dinner Theatre :D ) and I was somehow convinced to do some dancing. The latter got quite a laugh.

[EricTheRed]

I have played since 6th grade. All those years..and I still stink :D
But I enjoy marching band, but once its concert band time band becomes prison.

[OrthodoxyUSA]

*OrthodoxyUSA returns from backroom with three hot Pizza's and places them under the heat lamp on the buffet*

Guests may serve themselves from the various dishes on the sideboard.

Careful, they're hot!

Forgive me.....

[Dust and Ashes]

Earl Grey, straight up!

[OrthodoxyUSA]

*OrthodoxyUSA pours hot water in a large cup, drops in Earl Grey tea bag and hands it to forgivensinner001*

Here ya go ....

Forgive me....

[elizabethevangeline]

*OrthodoxyUSA returns from backroom with three hot Pizza's and places them under the heat lamp on the buffet*

Guests may serve themselves from the various dishes on the sideboard.

Careful, they're hot!

Forgive me.....

Might want to clarify those pizzas came from the KITCHEN....I was reading too quickly and misread "backroom" as bathroom! ?!what???!:eek: ^_^

[MariaRegina]

Might want to clarify those pizzas came from the KITCHEN....I was reading to quickly and misread "backroom" as bathroom! ?!what???!

It would be terrible if there was a lady in distress that mistook the backroom for a bathroom:eek:

is outrage!

We ladies simply must have a powder room. :D

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Might want to clarify those pizzas came from the KITCHEN....I was reading to quickly and misread "backroom" as bathroom! ?!what???!:eek: ^_^

Ah.... yes.... the ummm Kitchen..

yeah thats it the kitchen....

Forgive me....:liturgy:

[MariaRegina]

Thanks are due to OrthodoxyUSA and Eric for this lovely site.

And for a return to a healthy sense of humor.

We have needed that.

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Coffee?

Tea?

How may we best serve you?

Forgive me....

[EricTheRed]

How do we attract more people here. I GOT IT!! A RAFFLE!

The Winner will get this http://www.ima-usa.com/images/RR1025-1.jpg

you just have to pay for it

more pics here. http://www.ima-usa.com/product_info.php/cPath/37_127/products_id/1048
GET PEOPLE TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE CAFE TODAY!!!

[OrthodoxyUSA]

How do we attract more people here. I GOT IT!! A RAFFLE!

The Winner will get this http://www.ima-usa.com/images/RR1025-1.jpg

you just have to pay for it

more pics here. http://www.ima-usa.com/product_info.php/cPath/37_127/products_id/1048
GET PEOPLE TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE CAFE TODAY!!!


Ummmm? :sorry:

What.... ummmm...... what is that? :sorry::eek:

Forgive me....:liturgy:

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Ah Ha

It's a costume hat that came with the Village Peoples greatest hits? ^_^

Both of them.... :P

Forgive me.....:liturgy:

[EricTheRed]

Actually its a remake of the helmet the Tsar wore in WWI...i think

[Greg the byzantine]

Greg hereby Donates an imbriki, and some Greek Coffee. What's a kafenio without Thick, chock full of caffeine coffee. :P :)

http://www.sweetmarias.com/ibrik-pics/ibrik.indian.med.jpg

http://www.akiskitchen.ca/recipes_helpers/greek_coffee/greek_coffee_main.jpg

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Oh... my that looks good and smells even better.....

May I try some?

Oh, guys.... you gotta taste this!


Forgive me...

[OrthodoxyUSA]

*OrthodoxyUSA emerges from the kitchen again*


Fresh Sweet Breads coming through...

Hot, and ready to go with coffee.

Nothing brings them in like free food!

Forgive me....

[Theophorus]

Do we need a bouncer?

.http://www.colinthomas.com/assets/peopleimages/bouncer-500.jpg

[Matrona]

Ooooh, classy!

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Well, you'll have to double as doorman if you're going to stay....be nice.

And try not to look angry until needed... O.K.?

Note to self: Remember to feed door Ogre.

Forgive me...

[EricTheRed]

Well if bouncer is taken whats my job? hmmmm

[Theophorus]

Note to self: Remember to feed door Ogre.


Peanut butter and jelly with a coke will be fine.

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Well if bouncer is taken whats my job? hmmmm

Would you mind reading the Thread bylaws into the thread in a way that our Patrons and hosts will understand our mission?

Forgive me....

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Note to self: Remember to feed door Ogre.


Peanut butter and jelly with a coke will be fine.

Man you work cheap...

*OrthodoxyUSA hands door Ogre PBJ and a coke*

Such a nicely dressed door Ogre too....

Forgive me....:liturgy:

[RobNJ]

If that guy is also the doorman.... shouldn't HE be wearing that goofy helmet? ;)

[Theophorus]

Well if bouncer is taken whats my job? hmmmm

How about byzantine flag bearer?

http://www.oramaworld.com/images/flags/byz_300.jpg

[Theophorus]

Such a nicely dressed door Ogre too....

Forgive me....:liturgy:

It's not a rental either. It was given to me by my sister.

[EricTheRed]

How about byzantine flag bearer?

http://www.oramaworld.com/images/flags/byz_300.jpg

ILL TAKE IT.

[EricTheRed]

As information been about this thread been posted in the non-christian forum yet? Its unlikely one would wonder in here and find it.

[Michael the Iconographer]

I guess I should be hospitable and say hi, right?

[OrthodoxyUSA]

It's not a rental either. It was given to me by my sister.

Looks rather dashing! Complete with sunglasses?

Forgive me.....:liturgy:

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I guess I should be hospitable and say hi, right?

Hello Michael,

Can we get you something to drink?

Fresh breads on the buffet....

Would you care to make a musical selection?

Forgive me....:liturgy:

[MariaRegina]

We are going to get fat and happy in here with all the treats you are baking..

[Michael the Iconographer]

Hello Michael,

Can we get you something to drink?

Fresh breads on the buffet....

Would you care to make a musical selection?

Forgive me....:liturgy:

A drink? Paulaner Hefeweizen (Wheat Bier from Munich). Music? hmmmmmm, some Beethoven would be nice! and I can never turn down fresh bread! :P

[MariaRegina]

We'll become the Obese Cafe if this conversation continues.

Man, I'm having a hard time not raiding the refrigerator.

[Theophorus]

ILL TAKE IT.


That will work very nicely. :thumbsup:

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Last call for Lemon Poppy seed muffins...

Goes great with a cup of hot sweet Earl Grey at bedtime....

Well need to have a meeting first thing in the morning about advertising....


Forgive me.....

[HandmaidenOfGod]

Last call for Lemon Poppy seed muffins...

Goes great with a cup of hot sweet Earl Grey at bedtime....

Well need to have a meeting first thing in the morning about advertising....


Forgive me.....

I'd just like to put it out on the table that I think skywriting would NOT be a good way to advertise...

Thank you and Goodnight. :P

[Photini]

What's that smell?

[MariaRegina]

Someone must be baking oatmeal cookies with cinnamon spice.

Nothing like oatmeal cookies and hot cinnamon cider.

(and BTW: eggless oatmeal cookies made with applesause are a very good vegan delight).

[Annoula]

i like this place!!!!!

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

i loved the pic on the OP!!!

but please do something with the food mentioned in here...i am getting really hungry.......

[Anhelyna]

hey - you forgot to tell me about the opening

been horrid busy printing stuff for the last few days :(

Can drink beer for the next few days slav habits are good at times :)

Roll on the 24th :D

[kamikat]

All right, I see what happens to the early birds. I leave early last night and the joint starts jumpin'.

I'll fire up the espresso machine. Anyone care for a latte?

kamikat

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Oooh ooooh pick me pick me pick me!

Forgive me...

[kamikat]

http://www.victorialodging.com/hightea/images/coffee-beans-roasted.jpg

yummmmmmm!

kamikat

[kamikat]

http://www.topmeadow.net/bwm/images/2003/20030810-large-latte.jpg

Good morning, all!

(can you tell I just figured out how to post pictures)
kamikat

[Annoula]

oh my dear kamikat!!! this cup is terrific!!!!

[Anhelyna]

ooooh that looks so good - but plain black will have to do for the next wee bit :(

got any spare Kamikat ?

[OrthodoxyUSA]

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:UkYbdg7kuE_8mM:www.quincy-fareast.com/images/CoffeeCup.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.quincy-fareast.com/images/CoffeeCup.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.quincy-fareast.com/Dinnerset.htm&h=480&w=640&sz=20&tbnid=UkYbdg7kuE_8mM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=135&hl=en&start=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcoffee%2Bcup%26start%3D80%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN)

There is something wrong with mine....

Oh... It has a hole in the top...

May I have another?

Forgive me....

[kamikat]

No worries! I think we got some soy milk back here.
Gimme a minute on the refills. The pot wasn't seated properly and there's now coffee all over the counter.

(that's what I get for checking e-mail, making coffee and putting away the dishes all at the same time, at least I saw the coffee before it got all over the new PowerBook)
kamikat

[Anhelyna]

A new PowerBook - oooh if that needs a new home - I'll care for it with great tenderness .

Anhelyna all shades of green

[kamikat]

Well, it's new to me. Every time my husband gets a new one, I get his old one. So far, we've been lucky and he's been able to expense his computer habit, so we haven't had to pay for one in a few years.
Same thing happens with all the iPods, blackberries, ect.

kamikat

[Greg the byzantine]

No worries! I think we got some soy milk back here.
Gimme a minute on the refills. The pot wasn't seated properly and there's now coffee all over the counter.

(that's what I get for checking e-mail, making coffee and putting away the dishes all at the same time, at least I saw the coffee before it got all over the new PowerBook)
kamikat
:eek: is it the one with the new intel processor.
I was checking them out yesterday at the apple store.

Sits with Anhelyna Green with envy

[kamikat]

No, my husband has been trying to convince his boss that he needs one, but so far, he isn't buyin' it. If he can't get work to pay for one in the next couple of months, he will be buying one himself. Personally, I think we have enough computers, but he's the one that has to program on the things.

kamikat

[Michael the Iconographer]

I hope this does not replace the Taverna!

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I hope this does not replace the Taverna!

I don't forsee the Taverna being abandoned.....

I do hope some discussion with non-Christians will be fruitful.

Forgive me....:liturgy:

[HandmaidenOfGod]

Is anyone advertising this in GT?

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Not me....:sorry:

Besides, GT is for Christians, I thought this was for non-Christians....


Forgive me.....:liturgy:

[HandmaidenOfGod]

Oops, sorry! (You can see how frequently I go to GT!)

Well is anyone advertising it in the non-Christian forums?

[Mary of Bethany]

mmmmmm . . . . . very nice place ya got here. :thumbsup:

I've only seen one guest though. Are you sure we're in a good location? Easy to get to? Good signage? Plenty of parking?






Mary

[Michael the Iconographer]

I don't forsee the Taverna being abandoned.....

I do hope some discussion with non-Christians will be fruitful.

Forgive me....:liturgy:

Yes, I do hope non-Christian and non-Orthodox will be willing and feel open to visit us here and discuss with us, but I have a soft spot for the Taverna. There have been lots of good olde times in the Ye Olde Taverna, and I would hate to see cobwebs growing in it! Probst!

[MariaRegina]

The Taverna is for watching the Steelers win the Superbowl. So, there will always be a need for it. I foresee the day when the Taverna will also be an [Open] Taverna.

We just need to reassure the mods that this cafe won't catch on fire and burn down.

I guess we had better keep our eyes on the food in the Kitchen, yet too many chefs spoil the broth, but we don't want any smoke damage to our new cafe.

Yeah, too many chefs spoil the broth and the fun.

[Michael the Iconographer]

The Taverna is for watching the Steelers win the Superbowl. So, there will always be a need for it. I foresee the day when the Taverna will also be an [Open] Taverna.

We just need to reassure the mods that this cafe won't catch on fire and burn down.

I guess we had better keep our eyes on the food in the Kitchen, yet too many chefs spoil the broth, but we don't want any smoke damage to our new cafe.

Yeah, too many chefs spoil the broth and the fun.

The Taverna is fun for watching the Steelers win the Superbowl, which I predict they will do again this season. But it is also fun for the outrage that often goes on in there!

[Theophorus]

The Taverna is fun for watching the Steelers win the Superbowl, which I predict they will do again this season. But it is also fun for the outrage that often goes on in there!

Or the Sox winning the world series, ^_^ and I also predict a repeat.

[Greg the byzantine]

whoops wrong thread :D

[OrthodoxyUSA]

*OrthodoxyUSA appears through the kitchen doors....*

Hot muffins coming through....

*OrthodoxyUSA starts a fresh pot of coffee and puts the tea kettle on high.... *

Anybody else want tea?

Forgive me....

[Michael the Iconographer]

Or the Sox winning the world series, ^_^ and I also predict a repeat.

Sox? No, the Tribe will win the World Series!

[Theophorus]

Sox? No, the Tribe will win the World Series!

Is outrage!! The indians are "cubs" of American league. They shall not forsake role for which they were created.

They won series 1920, against the Brooklyn Robins (baseball was mourning Sox loss in series the year before). Let them be content with that.

[Theophorus]

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ws/wsmenu.shtml

[Michael the Iconographer]

Is outrage!! The indians are "cubs" of American league. They shall not forsake role for which they were created.

They won series 1920, against the Brooklyn Robins (baseball was mourning Sox loss in series the year before). Let them be content with that.

They are playing some serious ball right now!

[Theophorus]

They are playing some serious ball right now!

Yes they are, but so is Detroit.

And we both know that wont last. :D

But may we hope for a strong AL central, only good things can come out of it. (except the Twins)

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Good Morning everyone.....

*tea kettle on*
*fresh coffee brewing*
*sweat breads and muffins*
*juices, iced cold water*

hmmm....

MUSIC!

Forgive me....

[Dust and Ashes]

Good Morning everyone.....

*tea kettle on*
*fresh coffee brewing*
*sweat breads and muffins*
*juices, iced cold water*

hmmm....

MUSIC!

Forgive me....

Yes, music! Loud! And change the TV channel; all that's on is a bunch of guys in caps throwing balls at each other. See what's on SciFi. :P

[kamikat]

Right now, it's infomercials, but I think we have last night's Dr Who on TIVO.


kamikat

[Dust and Ashes]

Right now, it's infomercials, but I think we have last night's Dr Who on TIVO.


kamikat

That'll work! I need to start watching that when it starts over with the first episode.

[rusmeister]

Nm

[kamikat]

That'll work! I need to start watching that when it starts over with the first episode.

This the best Dr EVER!! The bad thing is that he's only doing one season, then there's a new Dr.

kamikat

[kamikat]

Who wants pie? I'm making pies for family dinner tomorrow night and I think I'll have an extra. Y'all want apple or strawberry?
http://slithytoves.sytes.net/~dave//gfx/applepie.jpg
http://waxwizard.freeservers.com/images/sf/pie-strawberry-9W-SF4043-lg.jpg
And, yes, I'll be doing this again next weekend. Any requests?

kamikat

[Xpycoctomos]

Such a nicely dressed door Ogre too....

Forgive me....:liturgy:
It's not a rental either. It was given to me by my sister.

Your sister gave you a door ogre? How did she get it to you?

[Xpycoctomos]

Hey all, just wanted to make it clear to any "lurkers" that non-Christians are welcom here. Welcome to talk about imaginary coffee, their annoying cat (as if there were any other kind), dog, family, job (cruddy or great) and whatever else crosses their mind.

And of course... Questions about the Orthodox Faith and Religion are FOREVER welcome here! :)

Anyhow, welcome!

John

[Theophorus]

Your sister gave you a door ogre? How did she get it to you?

:D No, the tux. It was a handmedown. Didn't fit her anymore.

[MariaRegina]

:D No, the tux. It was a handmedown. Didn't fit her anymore.

:D :D :D

[Xpycoctomos]

:D No, the tux. It was a handmedown. Didn't fit her anymore.

She sent an ogre in a tux? How exotic! At it isn't underdressed for the Cafe.

[Fuzzy Fungi]

This the best Dr EVER!! The bad thing is that he's only doing one season, then there's a new Dr.

kamikat

Really think so? I love the new Dr.Who series and the new doctor. I think he really does the role well. But then, I've never sat down and watched the original old series. For all I know, the new doctor might not even compare.

Mentioning suits, I have a very nice outfit I had to wear on stage for my school's dinner theatre. Light blue polyester pants with flares, a mauve shirt, a white overcoat, and a green tie with splashes of pink, purple, and red :D

--

*clanks spoon against the Glass Cup of Curiousity*

Ahem.
I have some questions about fasting in the Orthodox church. What are the dietary restrictions during the Lenten fast? Are these the same in each major fast? Are these the same on regular wednesdays and fridays?

Thanks.

[MariaRegina]

Really think so? I love the new Dr.Who series and the new doctor. I think he really does the role well. But then, I've never sat down and watched the original old series. For all I know, the new doctor might not even compare.

Mentioning suits, I have a very nice outfit I had to wear on stage for my school's dinner theatre. Light blue polyester pants with flares, a mauve shirt, a white overcoat, and a green tie with splashes of pink, purple, and red :D

--

*clanks spoon against the Glass Cup of Curiousity*

Ahem.
I have some questions about fasting in the Orthodox church. What are the dietary restrictions during the Lenten fast? Are these the same in each major fast? Are these the same on regular wednesdays and fridays?

Thanks.


Gotta see that.

Woot.

Do you have a picture of yourself in that getup?

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Fresh sandwiches anybody?

Forgive me....

[MariaRegina]

More P&J?

What about falafel with hummus in pita bread?

Or tomato, lettuce and avocado?

[rusmeister]

Hey, hey, hey!!!
I would kill for a PB+J on soft wheat. PB is extremely difficult to get here and I miss it more than anything, AND it's Lenten! Get me a regular supply and I am your friend for life!! :bow:

Don't knock on my beloved PB! That stuff is solid gold here!

Actually, it was available in the 90's, but disappeared.

I have a pet theory on this one:
What do Russians consume peanuts with?
Beer!
They probably tried PB with beer!
:sick:
And then sales dried up. :cry:

[Xpycoctomos]

Really think so? I love the new Dr.Who series and the new doctor. I think he really does the role well. But then, I've never sat down and watched the original old series. For all I know, the new doctor might not even compare.

Mentioning suits, I have a very nice outfit I had to wear on stage for my school's dinner theatre. Light blue polyester pants with flares, a mauve shirt, a white overcoat, and a green tie with splashes of pink, purple, and red :D

--

*clanks spoon against the Glass Cup of Curiousity*

Ahem.
I have some questions about fasting in the Orthodox church. What are the dietary restrictions during the Lenten fast? Are these the same in each major fast? Are these the same on regular wednesdays and fridays?

Thanks.

I think your question was lost in the excitement over Dr Who (and who could blame anyone?)... so I'll tak a stab..
What are the dietary restrictions during the Lenten fast?
The Basic gist is that one abstains from most all Animal products (Dairy, eggs, meat) except, so it seems, for spineless seafood like shrimp and lobster (yeah, kind of a silly and antiquated loophole). There are more details to this, but this is the basic idea and most Orthodox don't even worry about the other rules (regarding oil and such).

Are these the same in each major fast?
As far as I know... yup. There are special days within fasts where the fast may be either harsher (like, NO eating except for bread and water at most... a true fast) or lightened up (but this is usually something that doesn't really excite to many like, you can have wine and oil on this day lol... gee... great. lol).

Are these the same on regular wednesdays and fridays?
Yes... pretty much (again, I am sure their are small variances... but when you are told to abstain from meat and dairy... pretty much anything else doesn't really matter either way. Like the absence of olive oil and wine are off limits... but a lot of people don't really care since even a simple grilled cheese sandwich is off the menu). Again, one is to fast from mostly all animal products on these days throughout the entire year except for two weeks: the week beofre the pre-fast leading up to the Great Fast (Lent) and the week after Holy week (Bright Week) where fasting is prohibited... so you better eat that steak and chunk of cheese or else!!!:mad:

But, in all of this, there is ekonomia (oikonomia or economy) which basically means a bending of the rules according to our weaknesses. This is always done on a case-by-case basis between a priest (or spiritual father if it is not the priest) and the would-be faster. For example, some people i know only fast from meat during lent and might be a little stricter on Wednesdays and Fridays during the Great Fast and then the rest of the year fast only from meat on normal wednesdays and Fridays. Monks are sticter and might only eat meat on very special days (Feast Days).

It all depends on one's ability.

But, fasting is, for the Christian, utterly useless and even harmful when done without prayer. There is absolutely no purpose whatsoever to fasting without prayer. That's called a diet. This is why it should always be done under the supervision of one's Spiritual Father.

I have even heard of cases where a priest forbids a person to fast and says taht they MUST eat meat when they are around others because they have become to prideful. So this, eating meat around others, is meant to humble them. That's why I always confess to my preist that I am being too proud about my fasting in hopes that he would FORCE me to eat a big juicy steak at Outback Steakhouse... so far it hasn't worked :sigh: lol (kidding)

Anyway... thanks for the question. someone else will better be able to answer you with the obscure details of fasting (or things I have simply forgotten) but that the gist of it all.

John

[OrthodoxyUSA]

One PB+J on soft wheat for here.....:yum:

....and one dozen PB+J on soft wheat to go...

What to drink with that sir?

We have quite a selection really.... just use your imagination. ^_^

Forgive me..:liturgy:

[Dewi Sant]

I thought Peanut butter has Butter in it!

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I thought Peanut butter has Butter in it!

Emphasis on the Peanut... not the butter...

Butter just refers to its "spreadability"...:clap:


Would you like to try one? I still have everything out to make more...

I recommend a Tall glass of ice cold milk...to go with it.... It's kinda sticky.....:sorry:

Forgive me....:liturgy:

[MariaRegina]

I thought Peanut butter has Butter in it!

Some moms would spread butter on one side then peanut butter on the other piece of bread. Then they would spread creamed honey on top of the butter. Too much fat that way.

[Dust and Ashes]

I had PB & banana sandwiches for breakfast and lunch today. :yum:

[Anhelyna]

have to admit that I like my peanut butter as the crunchy variety and with salt on it :D

[contriteheart]

This is my first visit to the Orthodox Cafe. Thanks for the hospitality! :)

What I have learned so far about Orthodoxy here:

1. Orthodox people are very friendly and hospitable.
2. Gluttony is a virtue. ;) ^_^

Could you pass a piece of pie, please?

Your sister in Christ,
Grace

[Michael the Iconographer]

This is my first visit to the Orthodox Cafe. Thanks for the hospitality! :)

What I have learned so far about Orthodoxy here:

1. Orthodox people are very friendly and hospitable.
2. Gluttony is a virtue. ;) ^_^

Could you pass a piece of pie, please?

Your sister in Christ,
Grace

My dad and I took my grandfather who has alzheimers and is in a nursing home 2 pieces of pie yesterday for Western Easter, apple and black raspberry. He devoured the piece of black raspberry pie and was very, very happy with us for bringing it for him!

[kamikat]

Could you pass a piece of pie, please?

Your sister in Christ,
Grace

Hey, man, you missed out. I had an apple and a strawberry up for grabs this weekend, but no one called it. They all got eaten up by the vultures, I mean family, at Western Easter dinner. I know I'll be making a couple more later in the week, though.

kamikat

[Fuzzy Fungi]

I'm all about the ancient way... A good conservative Peanut Butter and Jam is all I will settle for.

[Dust and Ashes]

Why not just have some of my wife's peanut butter pie? Oh, I love that stuff.

Bake a pie shell or 4 and let them cool.

Mix PB with powdered sugar until it is crumbly.

Sprinkle mixture liberally onto bottom of pie shell.

Fill with pudding. (Recipe calls for vanilla but we've found that butterscotch is good and I LOVE it with chocolate pudding.)

Top with Cool Whip then sprinkle some more of the PB mixture on top and let chill for a couple of hours.

:yum: :yum: :yum:

[Fuzzy Fungi]

Why not just have some of my wife's peanut butter pie? Oh, I love that stuff.

Bake a pie shell or 4 and let them cool.

Mix PB with powdered sugar until it is crumbly.

Sprinkle mixture liberally onto bottom of pie shell.

Fill with pudding. (Recipe calls for vanilla but we've found that butterscotch is good and I LOVE it with chocolate pudding.)

Top with Cool Whip then sprinkle some more of the PB mixture on top and let chill for a couple of hours.

:yum: :yum: :yum:


Eek. Almost sounds like something I'd imagine a pregnant woman wanting :eek:

[Dust and Ashes]

Eek. Almost sounds like something I'd imagine a pregnant woman wanting :eek:

Everyone goes nuts over it at family reunions and Church potlucks. She even makes me one with Splenda when she makes them. Using chocolate pudding makes it like having a Reeses pie. :D

[rusmeister]

Actually, there is a translation problem into Russian, because PB is NOT butter, neither is it a paste, per se. So you can call it peanut maslo (B) or peanut pasta (paste).
Actually, my non-lenten PB+J has to have butter as well on the jam side (under the jam, of course) :yum:
Whenever someone brings a jar of PB to me as a gift, I'm like that squirrel in the film "Ice Age". :)

[Khaleas]

Actually, there is a translation problem into Russian, because PB is NOT butter, neither is it a paste, per se. So you can call it peanut maslo (B) or peanut pasta (paste).
Actually, my non-lenten PB+J has to have butter as well on the jam side (under the jam, of course) :yum:
Whenever someone brings a jar of PB to me as a gift, I'm like that squirrel in the film "Ice Age". :)


SCRAT!!!!!! :clap:

Kevin got me a stuffed Scrat before he left... Eeyore and Scrat, those are my favorites.

[OrthodoxyUSA]

*OrthodoxyUSA puts on a pot of tea*

*OrthodoxyUSA peals an orange....*

Time to go to bed... last cup....

Forgive me....

[kamikat]

Why not just have some of my wife's peanut butter pie? Oh, I love that stuff.

Bake a pie shell or 4 and let them cool.

Mix PB with powdered sugar until it is crumbly.

Sprinkle mixture liberally onto bottom of pie shell.

Fill with pudding. (Recipe calls for vanilla but we've found that butterscotch is good and I LOVE it with chocolate pudding.)

Top with Cool Whip then sprinkle some more of the PB mixture on top and let chill for a couple of hours.

:yum: :yum: :yum:

YUMMMMMMM!!!

kamikat

[kamikat]

Everyone goes nuts over it at family reunions and Church potlucks. She even makes me one with Splenda when she makes them. Using chocolate pudding makes it like having a Reeses pie. :D

Does she also use a sugar-free pudding when she uses Splenda? Is it still good? My dad has diabetes and I always try to make a low sugar dessert for family dinners.

kamikat

[Dust and Ashes]

Does she also use a sugar-free pudding when she uses Splenda? Is it still good? My dad has diabetes and I always try to make a low sugar dessert for family dinners.

kamikat

Yes, she uses sugar-free everything and it is delicious. Since I eat very little sugar anyway, I don't notice that it's a little less sweet than the regular. In fact, since I eat very little sugar, the regular pies are almost too sweet for me if I eat some of them.

[Michael the Iconographer]

Hi all.

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Yes, she uses sugar-free everything and it is delicious. Since I eat very little sugar anyway, I don't notice that it's a little less sweet than the regular. In fact, since I eat very little sugar, the regular pies are almost too sweet for me if I eat some of them.

I wish I could do that....

I'm addicted to sugar...

*OrthodoxyUSA puts another spoon full of sugar in his coffee and stirs*

Forgive me....:liturgy:

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Hi all.

Hello Michael!

Forgive me.....:liturgy:

[kamikat]

I wish I could do that....

I'm addicted to sugar...

*OrthodoxyUSA puts another spoon full of sugar in his coffee and stirs*

Forgive me....:liturgy:

The key for me is to mix sugar with artifical sweetner. Then you use less sugar and avoid the AS aftertaste. I'd like to eventually give up sugar entirely, but I hate AS bu itself.

kamikat

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Yep....

Uh huh....

*OrthodoxyUSA puts another spoon full of sugar in his coffee and stirs*

Forgive me.....

[HandmaidenOfGod]

I've been trying to cut down on my sugar intake lately.

I used to take 2 tsp of sugar in my coffee, but I've recently cut it down to 1.

They say artificial sweetner is the worst thing for you, so I try to avoid that all together.

[Annoula]

bump it

[EricTheRed]

I am no longer the Byzantine Flag bearer for this thread. I made my own :cool:

[kamikat]

Here are some bagels and a cappuccino to start the day.

http://www.hotties.com/cappuccino.jpg
http://www.oibagel.com/i/bagel.jpg

kamikat

[Anhelyna]

ooooooooh luvverly - as long as the frothy stuff is non-dairy

Thanks Kamikat - I'll take lots of it

[Michael the Iconographer]

I am zombie-like this morning.

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I've been trying to cut down on my sugar intake lately.

I used to take 2 tsp of sugar in my coffee, but I've recently cut it down to 1.

They say artificial sweetner is the worst thing for you, so I try to avoid that all together.

Yep....

Uh huh....

*OrthodoxyUSA puts another spoon full of sugar in his coffee and stirs*

Forgive me.....:liturgy:

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I am zombie-like this morning.

Want some sugar?

Forgive me....:liturgy:

[Anhelyna]

I'm in the middle of cooking a casserole for my husband's evening meal - anyone want a little ?





and before you all shout "YES "- I'd better warn you it's beef in red wine - and it smells fabulous :cry: :cry:

[Xpycoctomos]

yes, I forgot my lunch today. I am starving.

[Shubunkin]

Hey, I baked some blueberry muffins last night. :yum:

[HandmaidenOfGod]

Grandma is busy preparing for Pascha, and made the prune and apricot loafs she makes each year.

You have any idea how hard it is to watch those things cool without diving into them?! lol

That's temptation my friend!

[Shubunkin]

Grandma is busy preparing for Pascha, and made the prune and apricot loafs she makes each year.

You have any idea how hard it is to watch those things cool without diving into them?! lol

That's temptation my friend!

Sounds delicious. Have any recipes?

[HandmaidenOfGod]

I'll have to get them for you. I have to warn you though, some of them may read "fill the white cup half way."

Grandma's not big on regulated measuring... lol

[HandmaidenOfGod]

Charitina,

I found this (http://www.recipe-recipes-message-board.com/forum/view_topic.php?id=919&forum_id=10) recipe online for a poppyseed roll. It sounds similar to what my Grandma makes, except she will use prune or apricot filling in place of the poppyseeds. She's also used walnuts in the past. Basically, once you get the dough down, you can fill as you like. She usually dusts it with confectionary sugar before serving.

I'll check with her tonight for her recipe.

Hope this helps!

Maureen

[Greg the byzantine]

I'll have to get them for you. I have to warn you though, some of them may read "fill the white cup half way."

Grandma's not big on regulated measuring... lol
LOL. Measurements in Greek recipes are like that. They'll say put 1 teacup, or half a coffeecup, or something on those lines.

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Bean Taco's for lunch....

Hold everything... just the Tortilla and the beans... keep em hot....

Forgive me...

[Greg the byzantine]

Haha my Mom is trying to get me to eat something with substance, because all I ate for luch was tortilla chips and guacamole

[kamikat]

Haha my Mom is trying to get me to eat something with substance, because all I ate for luch was tortilla chips and guacamole

That's a mom's job;) On the other hand, I have seen my boys eat 4 avocados' worth of guac and an entire bag of chips in one setting. I guess that could keep them for a while.

(go eat something!)


kamikat

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Lemon Butter walnut cookies....

with fresh hot tea...

Get them while they are hot.

Forgive me....

[Dust and Ashes]

Haha my Mom is trying to get me to eat something with substance, because all I ate for luch was tortilla chips and guacamole

Your mom's right. You need to get some good salsa to go with those chips. ;)

[Michael the Iconographer]

Hi all.

[Anhelyna]

OK

So who shut the cafe doors last night ?

Where's the key to open up ?

[OrthodoxyUSA]

The key is in your heart... but we never lock it anyway.

Forgive me.....

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Hot tea and biscuits....

Earl Grey and many others to choose from.

Forgive me....

[Dust and Ashes]

Tea.
Earl Grey.
Hot.

Oh, and reserve a side of bacon for me till Sunday. ;)

[Anhelyna]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm bacon mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Dust and Ashes]

The hotel where we are staying for Pascha has a really nice continental breakfast with bacon, eggs, waffles (make your own), biscuits, sausage, gravy, fruit, cereal, etc. I'm gonna be a full, snoozy puppy on the way home Sunday. :D

[Michael the Iconographer]

Notice food discussion really heats up in here during prime periods of fasting!

[HandmaidenOfGod]

I'm a little dissapointed we haven't had more non-Orthodox visitors in the cafe. :sigh:

[Michael the Iconographer]

I'm a little dissapointed we haven't had more non-Orthodox visitors in the cafe. :sigh:

Has it been advertised to the non-Orthodox groups?

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Notice food discussion really heats up in here during prime periods of fasting!

Why do you suppose that is?

I'm looking forward to the "pulled pork" and Memphis style ribs myself...

Forgive me....:liturgy:

[HandmaidenOfGod]

I posted an "advertisement" of sorts in the "Questions by non-Christians" forum.

Alas, no responses were posted.

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I'm a little dissapointed we haven't had more non-Orthodox visitors in the cafe. :sigh:

Actually it was set up for non-Christians... lest we forget. Non-Orthodox are welcome as well....

Just because we wanted to make it available doesn't mean they want to come in.....:sigh:

Forgive me....:liturgy:

[HandmaidenOfGod]

Well, it's good we have it. After all, if only one non-Christian posts, it is worth it.

[Shubunkin]

Charitina,

I found this (http://www.recipe-recipes-message-board.com/forum/view_topic.php?id=919&forum_id=10) recipe online for a poppyseed roll. It sounds similar to what my Grandma makes, except she will use prune or apricot filling in place of the poppyseeds. She's also used walnuts in the past. Basically, once you get the dough down, you can fill as you like. She usually dusts it with confectionary sugar before serving.

I'll check with her tonight for her recipe.

Hope this helps!

Maureen

Thanks bunches!! You're a sweetheart... :hug:

[Shubunkin]

I've been trying to cut down on my sugar intake lately.

I used to take 2 tsp of sugar in my coffee, but I've recently cut it down to 1.

They say artificial sweetner is the worst thing for you, so I try to avoid that all together.

I use Splenda and it is extracted from sugar. I use sugar if Splenda is not available. I've used the "pink stuff" for years, and cut it out of my diet several years ago because it was doing bad things to my bladder! :eek: Stopped using it and the bladder problems disappeared.

[HandmaidenOfGod]

Hello everyone! :wave:

[kamikat]

http://www.peanut-institute.org/images/ChocolatePeanutButterPie.jpg

Just letting ya know what's on the menu today; forgivensinner's chocolate peanut butter pie.

BTW, all the men in my family were hovering in the kitchen as I made this pie this morning. I think I'm gonna have to hide it so it will survive until tomorrow night's dinner.
kamikat

[Anhelyna]

oooooooooooh I'm drooling

[Michael the Iconographer]

Why do you suppose that is?

I'm looking forward to the "pulled pork" and Memphis style ribs myself...

Forgive me....:liturgy:

Wings, ribs and steak, followed by milk, ice cream and cheese!

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I'll be so sick tomorrow! :sick:

Hot tea anyone?

Fresh coffee as well.... and bagals.


Forgive me....:liturgy:

[Shubunkin]

http://www.peanut-institute.org/images/ChocolatePeanutButterPie.jpg

Just letting ya know what's on the menu today; forgivensinner's chocolate peanut butter pie.

BTW, all the men in my family were hovering in the kitchen as I made this pie this morning. I think I'm gonna have to hide it so it will survive until tomorrow night's dinner.
kamikat

Oh that sounds so good and rich! :yum:

[Shubunkin]

I'll be so sick tomorrow! :sick:

Hot tea anyone?

Fresh coffee as well.... and bagals.


Forgive me....:liturgy:

I haven't had a bagel in a long time, and I love those! Gimmee one! ...and the coffee too.... :yum:

[The Virginian]

I haven't had a bagel in a long time, and I love those! Gimmee one! ...and the coffee too.... :yum:

With all due respect to you bagel, rib, and steak eaters out there, that's just passe. Because once you've eaten a Lamb's dinner, the rest is just food. I look forward to that more than I do egg fried rice in sweet and sour sauce, with sesame chicken.

[SumTinWong]

I'm a little dissapointed we haven't had more non-Orthodox visitors in the cafe. :sigh:
We are here, we just lurk a bit before saying howdy.

HOWDY! LOL

[Greg the byzantine]

red eggs for everyone

http://www.valdyas.org/~irina/blog/graphics/150eggs.jpg

[Michael the Iconographer]

Hey Uncle Bud!
Nice Avatar!

[Anhelyna]

oooooh Greg - that's a bit eyeshattering :P

Just having a cup of coffee after a HUGE bit of Somerset Brie, Bacon and black pepper Quiche - it was fantastic :D

Sorry - there's none left to share :( but I really did enjoy it

[kamikat]

Hey, do ya think that since if I use the egg I got after DL last night (and forgot to bring mine from home to be blessed), I'll win the cracking game? Does this mean I might be the one with luck this year? Dad wins every year, but I've got a secret weapon.

kamikat

[Michael the Iconographer]

I am glad I have absolutely nothing planned for the day, because after staying up till nearly 4 am Saturday Morning and nearly 5 am this morning, and all the food and good drink we had last night, I am exhausted!

CHRIST IS RISEN!

[Michael the Iconographer]

Ice cream anyone?

[Anhelyna]

Thanks Michael - but I'm going to have to refuse - absolutely no room for it :(

[Dewi Sant]

Christos Anesti!


Bailey's all round!

http://www.floristperu.com/media/baileys.jpg

[Michael the Iconographer]

Thanks Michael - but I'm going to have to refuse - absolutely no room for it :(

Need to let your stomach settle, so you can begin round two!

[Anhelyna]

Ramesses

I trust you are in your own home - you know how messy the licensing laws are in the UK

[Dewi Sant]

Yes I am at home.



Now drink! ^_^

[Fuzzy Fungi]

I am glad I have absolutely nothing planned for the day, because after staying up till nearly 4 am Saturday Morning and nearly 5 am this morning, and all the food and good drink we had last night, I am exhausted!

CHRIST IS RISEN!

Indeed he is risen! :wave:

[kamikat]

And for round two, we have for appetizers, dolmathes, feta and hummus, leg of lamb, roasted potatoes, orzo, roasted green beans, and for dessert, forgivensinner's chocolate peanutbutter pie. That was a HUGE hit and dad really appreciated the sugar-free version, but everyone missed the galatebureko. This was the first year in a long time without it. In years past, Greek Easter was always just an excuse to have a big family dinner. This year it really meant something!

Oh, and do I get my Greek card taken away if I mention that I still can't stand retsina wine?

kamikat

[Michael the Iconographer]

And for round two, we have for appetizers, dolmathes, feta and hummus, leg of lamb, roasted potatoes, orzo, roasted green beans, and for dessert, forgivensinner's chocolate peanutbutter pie. That was a HUGE hit and dad really appreciated the sugar-free version, but everyone missed the galatebureko. This was the first year in a long time without it. In years past, Greek Easter was always just an excuse to have a big family dinner. This year it really meant something!

Oh, and do I get my Greek card taken away if I mention that I still can't stand retsina wine?

kamikat

No, because I haven't gotten my Russian card taken away for not liking "borscht"!

[Knowledge3]

[edit]+

[Knowledge3]

TAW :wave:

I'm starting a journal to organize myself - Do any have tips on how write them?

thanks

[hungrytiger]

I am glad I have absolutely nothing planned for the day, because after staying up till nearly 4 am Saturday Morning and nearly 5 am this morning, and all the food and good drink we had last night, I am exhausted!

CHRIST IS RISEN!

Indeed he is risen! :wave:

:wave:

Indeed he is risen!

Isn't it great to say that? :)

[OrthoCanuck]

Well, it's good we have it. After all, if only one non-Christian posts, it is worth it.


POST. ;)

[Greg the byzantine]

Oh, and do I get my Greek card taken away if I mention that I still can't stand retsina wine?

Not at all :D. Real Greeks drink trantafilo :D :D :D

http://www.greekfoodanddrink.com/shopping/new%20photos/triantafilo.jpg

i Love those stupid rose drink concentrates

[Greg the byzantine]

POST. ;)
:wave: Hey Canadian welcome to our new open cafe:wave:

[kamikat]

Not at all :D. Real Greeks drink trantafilo :D :D :D


Fantastic! Every year, my dad drags out a bottle of retsina and makes us have a glass. I can't stand it, but he likes to jokes it's because I'm only half Greek. However, this is then usually followed by ouzo shots :D

kamikat

[Michael the Iconographer]

:wave:

Indeed he is risen!

Isn't it great to say that? :)

It is even better when I get to say it in German!

Christos ist aufverstanden! Sicherlich aufverstanden!

[Theophorus]

The Sox have won 8 straight!

http://home.comcast.net/~mrpumpkin1/standings.gif

[Michael the Iconographer]

I thought the Taverna was for sports and not the Cafe? LOL!

[Theophorus]

I'm on my way over there right now. :D

[MariaRegina]

We are here, we just lurk a bit before saying howdy.

HOWDY! LOL

Hi, Bud,

Christ is Risen!

[MariaRegina]

Indeed he is risen! :wave:

Christ is Risen!

[Michael the Iconographer]

Christ is Risen!

Genau! Er ist aufverstanden!

[elizabethevangeline]

Not at all :D. Real Greeks drink trantafilo :D :D :D

http://www.greekfoodanddrink.com/shopping/new%20photos/triantafilo.jpg

i Love those stupid rose drink concentrates

What is this? Where do you get it?

[Greg the byzantine]

What is this? Where do you get it?
It's a rose drink (It's concentrated like a syrup so you mix it with water).

It can be found at any Greek or Midle Eastern grocery.

Not to be confused with Rose Water which is clear and meant to be added to Desserts. Best added to the syrup poared over baklava

[kamikat]

Not to be confused with Rose Water which is clear and meant to be added to Desserts. Best added to the syrup poared over baklava

Have you ever had baklava made with orange flower water instead? It's wonderful but I haven't made it in years.

kamikat

[Greg the byzantine]

Have you ever had baklava made with orange flower water instead? It's wonderful but I haven't made it in years.

kamikat
Oh my goodness, yes I have and it is heavenly. Blossom water and rose water are interchangeable (but offer different flavors and are not to be mixed) but are often left out in Desserts soaked in syrup when you buy them in the stores. That's why you have to make them yourself ^_^

[SumTinWong]

Hmmm food. Gimmie. :)

[Michael the Iconographer]

Hmmm food. Gimmie. :)

I agree with Uncle Bud!

[MariaRegina]

Hmmm food. Gimmie. :)

Hi Bud.

Thought that I would bump this here thread as it creeped onto page 2.

[Michael the Iconographer]

Hi Bud.

Thought that I would bump this here thread as it creeped onto page 2.

We were too busy discussing bier in the bier thread!

[pjw]

Chrismated on 4/15/06!!
;) i didn't know the year had 15 months. ;)
just pullin' your leg, in australia we'd say "15/4/06"

[MariaRegina]

We were too busy discussing bier in the bier thread!

:D

I am grateful that she started that thread to keep the beer/bier from spilling onto other threads and generally disrupting them.

Enjoy your beer. Have one for me. (I am allergic to barley malt which can cause me to have amnesia via a blackout).


Now back on topic ....

Anyway, I wish that CF had a warning box that people would have to read and acknowledge each time they entered the forums where atheists/unbelievers are free to engage Christians in religious discussions.

Once upon a time we had a thread about how dangerous it is to venture into those forums ... and how even sincere prayerful Christians can be led into temptation and doubt.

If you go over to those non-Christian forums and subject yourself to those atheists who propose an argument on their terms, there is no winning that argument. You cannot argue with people who only see things from a materialistic experiential viewpoint, and who will not accept the Bible and the writings of the Church Fathers. The supernatural has no reality to them. Case in point --

I am taking a class in linguistics where we got into a very heated debate over metaphors.

Descartes said, "I think therefore I am."

George Lakoff, in his book Metaphors We Live By, asserts that people think in metaphors, therefore truth cannot be absolute, but is only relative. This book is creating a lot of doubt in people. Lakeoff is basically stating that those who believe in an absolute truth are holding onto false Greek philosophical thinking.

I recently found out that several devout adult Christians I have known here at CF have lost their faith. And they are good honest people, but now they are left in a state of sincere doubt and confusion. And they are not at all happy in this state. They really need our prayers.

I have been occasionally thrown into a state of doubt too when I have discussed my faith with nonbelivers, especially when they discuss the problem with pain and death of innocent people. I know several good people who were Orthodox but ceased believing after a bitter divorce or a sudden death in the family.

We cannot judge, but we must pray for each other and for those who are sincerely struggling to find the truth.

[MariaRegina]

bumpity bump
where is Gump

[EricTheRed]

There is no need for a Cafe for lent has ended. We need a butcher :P

[MariaRegina]

The Cafe is a hospitable gathering place for our separated brethren who are struggling in the faith.

The Orthodox Church is like a hospital which ministers to us sick sinners.


Let us kill the fatted calf, for Christ is Risen.

Let us celebrate the feast, for Indeed He is Risen.

[EricTheRed]

Thats is one thing I like alot about the Orthodox Church. It is a hospital for the sick.

[Michael the Iconographer]

Descartes said, "I think therefore I am."



I am sorry my french friend Descartes, but you are wrong. You do not have existence because you think, you have existence because God wills it. You existed before you were born, because you existed in the will of God. It simply was not the will of God for you to be born at that time. A better thought would be "I am, because God wills it." Perhaps if you thought like a German does, you would not have encountered the error you did Mein Herr Descartes.

[choirfiend]

BTW


Here's a pic of our own Jckstraw getting baptised a week ago today!!!!

http://photos-545.facebook.com/n31/80/125/9320849/n9320849_31763545_838.jpg (http://psu.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31763547&id=9320849)

[choirfiend]

And here, just about everyone you can see (minus ppl holding cameras, wearing vestments, and one or two sponsors who got in the shot) everyone you see here got received along with him last week!! Wooooo!

http://photos-568.facebook.com/n31/80/125/9320849/n9320849_31763568_14.jpg (http://psu.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31763569&id=9320849)

[choirfiend]

Awww, it's a happy Jckstraw processing around the service tablel and font!

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[jckstraw72]

i totally got baptized

[MariaRegina]

Congratulations and many years,
jckstraw72

What is your Christian name?

[jckstraw72]

Congratulations and many years,
jckstraw72

What is your Christian name?

thank you thank you.

my Christian name is Jesse-----as in St. Jesse the Forefather, father of King David.

[MariaRegina]

BTW


Here's a pic of our own Jckstraw getting baptised a week ago today!!!!

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It looks like you squatted into that tiny font?:D

Just an optical illusion, no?:clap:

[jckstraw72]

It looks like you squatted into that tiny font?

Just an optical illusion, no?

no ma'am. we got down on our knees, but there was plenty o' room.

[MariaRegina]

no ma'am. we got down on our knees, but there was plenty o' room.

Were your hands inside the baptismal font?

[choirfiend]

They were. It's the same kind of Rubbermaid 150gallon horse trough that Matrona was baptised in. See it in the group picture? Its about 4 ft long, 2.5 ft across, and 2 feet deep. More than enough to submerge 6ft tall adults in!

The little font you see as well in the group picture was for the little 40day (ish?) old preemie looking baby that was baptised.

[MariaRegina]

The horse trough was barely visible in the photo. Now I see it.

I was like -- This is a miracle. How did he fit into that tiny font?

Thanks for your explanation.

If the photo had been a wee bit lighter, then I would have seen the horse trough more clearly. But that is an excellent clear photo by the way. Others have taken pictures in church, but the incense casts a cloud over everything.

[choirfiend]

Digital cameras are wonderful. PLus, the incense wasn't too bad. It only seems to be really bad at the beginning of Vespers and throughout a Presanctified.

Finangling the camera settings and working on being REALLY still when taking pictures so you can turn the flash off and not blur too badly are also good things.

Overall, I took about 70 pictures. We had a lot of memories to record for all those different catechumens!! I pretty much got a picture of each part of the service for each person. The worst thing was trying to get the chrismations, because they were standing so much farther back and Fr. was usually right in the sight line blocking whomever I was trying to take the photo of.

[choirfiend]

Haha, dont give Jesse any ideas, or next time we;re in church, he'll be trying to see if he can fit inside our baby baptism/holy water font.

[Rochir]

Forgive me....

Just curious - why do you say "Forgive me" after each post?

[rusmeister]

Just curious - why do you say "Forgive me" after each post?
Oh, that's just Orthodoxy being Orthodoxy! ;)

(Reminded of old Star Trek episode where someone on old Earth asks why Spock behaves as he does. Kirk says, "Oh, it's...his way." :P

[Matrona]

It's the same kind of Rubbermaid 150gallon horse trough that Matrona was baptised in.

That reminds me, I need to upload that picture again. :sorry: It vanished when CF had that big upgrade. I'll need to go to the library and scan the photo again.

[MariaRegina]

Just curious - why do you say "Forgive me" after each post?

We commit many sins every day, and many times those are the unknown sins.

And these unknown sins can be the most offensive and we may not even be aware of them, but others are.

BTW:

Welcome Rochir. I like your avatar. Cute little guy.

[Rochir]

We commit many sins every day, and many times those are the unknown sins.

And these unknown sins can be the most offensive and we may not even be aware of them, but others are.

Aha, thanks for the explanation!:hug:



Welcome Rochir. I like your avatar. Cute little guy.

Thank you! I think the idea of at least open pubs is quite swell! ... I like my lil guy too, his name is Tegi(naeg). Just a lil virtual pet I carry around with me wherever I go *g*;)

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Just curious - why do you say "Forgive me" after each post?

Sorry I didn't see this before....

I put something in my BLOG about it a while back... It's a very common question.


My friend, even the air in my lungs would be more properly used by someone more worthy.

Everything I do and say will effect everyone, and everything, mostly in a nagative way.

For that I ask everyones forgiveness.... always.

Forgive me.....

Forgive me...:liturgy:

[Michael the Iconographer]

Yes, we are all very sinful creatures, myself the most sinful of us all. However, we are also the children of God and he knew how many hairs would be on our craniums before we were even born. Let us not forget that God is a loving and merciful God and he will not hesitate to show us that love and mercy if we simply strive to attain a deeper love for him and his creation.

[rusmeister]

That's right, Orthodoxy! Don't you go denying MY right to be chief of sinners! ;)

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Good Morning Everyone!

Eggs and Bacon!

Toast and Fresh Coffee!

Forgive me...

[ClementofRome]

Chick-fil-a Chicken Minis for me! :)

[Anhelyna]

hmmm < thinking >

GOT IT :D

Please may I have Pancakes , bacon , eggs , maple syrup ?

Oh and of course OJ :D

oooh that would be sooooooooo good

[rusmeister]

hmmm < thinking >

GOT IT :D

Please may I have Pancakes , bacon , eggs , maple syrup ?

Oh and of course OJ :D

oooh that would be sooooooooo good

Uggggh!
I'm 6,000 miles from the nearest Denny's!! :cry: (Although the little family restaurants with the Greek owners are better)

[Michael the Iconographer]

Think I will make pancakes and sausage for breakfast.

[OrthoCanuck]

Just popping in to let any interested parties know that I am going to request that my icon gets changed back to 'Christian'. I figure that it is a good day to do it. I haven't decided what my next step is going to be but I am inspired by St. Anslem who said "I believe that I may understand."

-Peace

[Matrona]

Just popping in to let any interested parties know that I am going to request that my icon gets changed back to 'Christian'. I figure that it is a good day to do it. I haven't decided what my next step is going to be but I am inspired by St. Anslem who said "I believe that I may understand."

-Peace

:clap:

Prayers for you, brother.

[Anhelyna]

Uggggh!
I'm 6,000 miles from the nearest Denny's!! :cry: (Although the little family restaurants with the Greek owners are better)


Well due to where I actually live - no idea about the quality of Denny's but my GodPapa makes good Pancakes - he introduced me to the joys of a stack of them after a very early start in the day , when I finally got brekkie sometime after 11am