The Ancient Way [Open] Café

[DonVA]

If I had started eating that breakfast this morning, I'd still be eating right now! What a doozy of a meal!

[kamikat]

Well, I've got growing sons who chow down on that, then an hour later ask for a snack.

[kamikat]

tonight's dinner menu
http://www.traveltacoma.com/images/db/listings/Tony%20Roma%201.JPG

(whole family went out after seeing Superman)

[kamikat]

tonight's late night menu
http://www.ellabelles.com/recipes/key%20lime%20pie_edited.jpg
frozen mudslides and appletinis
http://www.acatinthekitchen.com/photo/mudslide/drink.jpg
http://www.westingrandvancouver.com/images/appletini.jpg

[DonVA]

tonight's dinner menu
http://www.traveltacoma.com/images/db/listings/Tony%20Roma%201.JPG

(whole family went out after seeing Superman)
I had to look at that picture twice. I thought you had posted a picture of a catepillar!

[kamikat]

Good morning!
got coffee and beignets!
http://www.nrnhotconcepts.com/2004_winners/images/HC-crescentcity.jpg

[Anhelyna]

What a wonderful sight :D

1 Black coffee please - and better shift that plate before it's contents vanish down me :D yummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[USincognito]

I work nights. Does anyone mind if I pass on the traditional breakfast fare and knosh on some nuked Hot Pockets washed down with beer before I hit the hay?

[USincognito]

I've been meaning to get something more interesting than I have been eating lately, but there's something I just cannot get fresh in Dallas with the same "taste" (meaning setting, servers, location) that I could in my mom's ancestral homeland of Massachusetts. A nice plate of fried clams.
http://www.ipswichma.com/clambox/images/clamplate.jpg

[DonVA]

Good morning!
got coffee and beignets!
http://www.nrnhotconcepts.com/2004_winners/images/HC-crescentcity.jpg
Now THAT'S more like it! Looks like the ones I had at Cafe Du Monde!

[kamikat]

hmmm, older son's camp is doing an international potluck lunch on Wednesday (parents invited t share, yum). Living in an area with a large immigrant population, I think it's gonna be neat to see what's there. I haven't decided what to make. My stand by would be dolmathes, but generally little kids don't like them. Maybe some koulourakia or kourabiedes. Any other ideas?

[Tsarina]

http://www.internettime.com/images/abu_arabfood_small.jpg

Arab food anyone? I grew up on this stuff, i love it. :)

[Greg the byzantine]

I love Arabic Food, Ohh it looks sooooooooooo goooooooooooooood

[kamikat]

What do you mean by Arabic food? My mom spent much of her childhood in Tehran and Beruit. She cooked mostly Middle Eastern food. It's so different from region to region, but could all be called Arabic food, because they're all Arabs. I love Moroccan, Labanese, Persian, Afghani foods. YUM!!!!

[Tsarina]

What do you mean by Arabic food? My mom spent much of her childhood in Tehran and Beruit. She cooked mostly Middle Eastern food. It's so different from region to region, but could all be called Arabic food, because they're all Arabs. I love Moroccan, Labanese, Persian, Afghani foods. YUM!!!!

I consider all Middle Eastern food "Arab food" i dont know why, perhaps i don't see the difference between the dishes, food is just food to me, lols.

When i first went to a Greek Resturant, i thought i was having middle eastern food, what's the diff? It all looks the same to me.

[Greg the byzantine]

I consider all Middle Eastern food "Arab food" i dont know why, perhaps i don't see the difference between the dishes, food is just food to me, lols.

When i first went to a Greek Resturant, i thought i was having middle eastern food, what's the diff? It all looks the same to me.
I consider Greek Food Middle Eastern food. In fact food from Cyprus (my home country) is actually a lot closer to Lebanese and Turkish food than it is to any other of it's western neighbors.
The Eastern Meditteranean and a little further inland inot syria, Iraq and Iran have very common elements in their food, because of climate and their mountainous landscape.

You can find any combination of these, or things made out of these in a middle eastern kitchen Olives, fresh cheeses (usually goat or sheep's milk cheeses), grains like bulgur wheat, legumes like lentils and chick peas, yoghurt, sesame, capers, garlic, onions, eggplant, tomatoes, cucumbers, grape leaves, oregano, parsley, cilantro, coriander, mint, cumin, cinnamon, honey, lemon, eggs, freh seafood, and lamb pork and chicken.

I could make a feast with just these things :yum:

[kamikat]

Hmm, the differences could be slight to those not grown up with it. Greeks tends to put cinammon in everything. My dad puts it in his chilli, yum! Moroccans tend to put honey and dried figs or prunes in everything. They like a mixture of sweet and savory in a single dish. A popular dish is called pastilla, which is a sweet pie, filled with shredded chicken and topped with powdered sugar. There are other little differences, let me think about that for a while.

[Tsarina]

I consider Greek Food Middle Eastern food. In fact food from Cyprus (my home country) is actually a lot closer to Lebanese and Turkish food than it is to any other of it's western neighbors.
The Eastern Meditteranean and a little further inland inot syria, Iraq and Iran have very common elements in their food, because of climate and their mountainous landscape.

You can find any combination of these, or things made out of these in a middle eastern kitchen Olives, fresh cheeses (usually goat or sheep's milk cheeses), grains like bulgur wheat, legumes like lentils and chick peas, yoghurt, sesame, capers, garlic, onions, eggplant, tomatoes, cucumbers, grape leaves, oregano, parsley, cilantro, coriander, mint, cumin, cinnamon, honey, lemon, eggs, freh seafood, and lamb pork and chicken.

I could make a feast with just these things :yum:

LoL.. wow.. i think i'm ful just from reading all that.

Hmm, the differences could be slight to those not grown up with it. Greeks tends to put cinammon in everything. My dad puts it in his chilli, yum! Moroccans tend to put honey and dried figs or prunes in everything. They like a mixture of sweet and savory in a single dish. A popular dish is called pastilla, which is a sweet pie, filled with shredded chicken and topped with powdered sugar. There are other little differences, let me think about that for a while.

It's true isn't it.. the Greeks do put cinammon in everything. I had a Frappe once at a Greek Cafe and there was cinammon all over it, it was the same case with the halwah i ordered.

[DonVA]

http://www.internettime.com/images/abu_arabfood_small.jpg

Arab food anyone? I grew up on this stuff, i love it. :)
Tabouleh. I loved that stuff as a kid (and still do!)

[Greg the byzantine]

Hmm, the differences could be slight to those not grown up with it. Greeks tends to put cinammon in everything. My dad puts it in his chilli, yum! Moroccans tend to put honey and dried figs or prunes in everything. They like a mixture of sweet and savory in a single dish. A popular dish is called pastilla, which is a sweet pie, filled with shredded chicken and topped with powdered sugar. There are other little differences, let me think about that for a while.
Yuch I hate cinnamon on regular food, I only like it in sweets, but yes Greeks put Cinnamon on their potatoes too(and I know a woman who puts it in the bechamel on top of pastichio too :sick:), I hate it. I guess it's because Cypriots rarely use it except in sweets.

[kamikat]

YUM! I love cinnamon in everything.

[DonVA]

I consider Greek Food Middle Eastern food. In fact food from Cyprus (my home country) is actually a lot closer to Lebanese and Turkish food than it is to any other of it's western neighbors.
The Eastern Meditteranean and a little further inland inot syria, Iraq and Iran have very common elements in their food, because of climate and their mountainous landscape.

You can find any combination of these, or things made out of these in a middle eastern kitchen Olives, fresh cheeses (usually goat or sheep's milk cheeses), grains like bulgur wheat, legumes like lentils and chick peas, yoghurt, sesame, capers, garlic, onions, eggplant, tomatoes, cucumbers, grape leaves, oregano, parsley, cilantro, coriander, mint, cumin, cinnamon, honey, lemon, eggs, freh seafood, and lamb pork and chicken.

I could make a feast with just these things :yum:
My friend Myros in Cyprus says it's common over there to consider all mediterranean people as one. "Same face, one race," he says. :thumbsup:

I agree with you on the food. I remember having dolmatis (dolmathes?) for the first time in a Greek Restaurant, and having my Lebanese aunt tell me..."It's just mishi." (please forgive that I'm spelling phonetically. I learned to speak some arabic words, but not how to spell them using the english alphabet!)

And baklava? We pronounce it "but-LAY-oh-wuh."

So the only difference for me was what we call the stuff. :P

[Greg the byzantine]

My friend Myros in Cyprus says it's common over there to consider all mediterranean people as one. "Same face, one race," he says. :thumbsup:

I agree with you on the food. I remember having dolmatis (dolmathes?) for the first time in a Greek Restaurant, and having my Lebanese aunt tell me..."It's just mishi." (please forgive that I'm spelling phonetically. I learned to speak some arabic words, but not how to spell them using the english alphabet!)

And baklava? We pronounce it "but-LAY-oh-wuh."

So the only difference for me was what we call the stuff. :P
Yeah they use the Italian phrase (sorry if the spelling is wrong) "Una Ratsa Una Fatsa" or is it "Una Fatsa Una Ratsa"

We call the stufed grape leaves koupepia but we usually stuff them with a mixture pork rice, parsley onion and cooked in lemon , the greek dolmathes are usually only stuffed with rice.

There are these things called koupes that are ground meat covered with bulgur wheat and then fried :yum: They are delicious and I know there is a Lebanese equivalent but I am not sure what they are called.

[DonVA]

Yeah they use the Italian phrase (sorry if the spelling is wrong) "Una Ratsa Una Fatsa" or is it "Una Fatsa Una Ratsa"

We call the stufed grape leaves koupepia but we usually stuff them with a mixture pork rice, parsley onion and cooked in lemon , the greek dolmathes are usually only stuffed with rice.

There are these things called koupes that are ground meat covered with bulgur wheat and then fried :yum: They are delicious and I know there is a Lebanese equivalent but I am not sure what they are called.
Are you talking about kefta?

[kamikat]

I was taught that dolmathes were grape leaves with only rice and dolmathakia is stuffed with rice and ground lamb

[Greg the byzantine]

Are you talking about kefta?
I was under the impression that kefta is the equivalent of keftedes which are just basically fried meatball. Does kefta have a bulgur wheat crust on it?

[Greg the byzantine]

I was taught that dolmathes were grape leaves with only rice and dolmathakia is stuffed with rice and ground lamb Adding the suffix -aki (singualar) or -akia (plural) makes something smaller (It's the diminutive) . So dolmathakia are just small dolmathes. :)

[kamikat]

hmm, see, that's what comes from being third generation. These things just get passed down whether they're correct or not.

[choirfiend]

Same with me. I grew up eating Halupki as cabbage rolls stuffed with meat and Haluski as the same rolls but meatless, and then I come to find out that Haluski is actually the cabbage and noodle dish that I grew up calling Kapusta (which is Russian for cabbage.) Did that make any sense? lol.

[Greg the byzantine]

Same with me. I grew up eating Halupki as cabbage rolls stuffed with meat and Haluski as the same rolls but meatless, and then I come to find out that Haluski is actually the cabbage and noodle dish that I grew up calling Kapusta (which is Russian for cabbage.) Did that make any sense? lol.
The sentiment is understood :)

[Tsarina]

Tabouleh. I loved that stuff as a kid (and still do!)

Taouleh is great. Somtimes i like to "Greek" my Tabouleh by putting some feta in it. :thumbsup:
My friend Myros in Cyprus says it's common over there to consider all mediterranean people as one. "Same face, one race," he says. :thumbsup:

I agree with you on the food. I remember having dolmatis (dolmathes?) for the first time in a Greek Restaurant, and having my Lebanese aunt tell me..."It's just mishi." (please forgive that I'm spelling phonetically. I learned to speak some arabic words, but not how to spell them using the english alphabet!)

And baklava? We pronounce it "but-LAY-oh-wuh."

So the only difference for me was what we call the stuff. :P

LoL.. don't worry about it. The Greeks make fun of me for saying 'baklava' the Middle Eastern way.

I was under the impression that kefta is the equivalent of keftedes which are just basically fried meatball. Does kefta have a bulgur wheat crust on it?

I LOVE kefta!

And no, it doesn't have the bulgur wheat crust on it. But then again, what do i know? I just eat, i don't cook.

[Greg the byzantine]

Taouleh is great. Somtimes i like to "Greek" my Tabouleh by putting some feta in it. :thumbsup:


LoL.. don't worry about it. The Greeks make fun of me for saying 'baklava' the Middle Eastern way.



I LOVE kefta!

And no, it doesn't have the bulgur wheat crust on it. But then again, what do i know? I just eat, i don't cook.
Okay so kefta are keftedes and yes they are delicious :yum: Now I want some.

What I am talking about are koupes

http://kypros.org/Sxetikos/Cookery/Koupes.htm

[Tsarina]

Okay so kefta are keftedes and yes they are delicious :yum: Now I want some.

What I am talking about are koupes

http://kypros.org/Sxetikos/Cookery/Koupes.htm


Mmmm the koupes look awesome! For a second i thought they were falafels (sp?) but they're not. Never had koupes before, or mabe i did and just can't remember.

[Greg the byzantine]

Mmmm the koupes look awesome! For a second i thought they were falafels (sp?) but they're not. Never had koupes before, or mabe i did and just can't remember.
MMMMMmm Falafel are especially good when you're fasting.

[Tsarina]

MMMMMmm Falafel are especially good when you're fasting.

Definatley! I tried making some during lent, and i did a disgusting job with the falafel's. I'm not a cooking person, my hubby is the chef in the house, and he makes everything and anything.

[DonVA]

I was under the impression that kefta is the equivalent of keftedes which are just basically fried meatball. Does kefta have a bulgur wheat crust on it?
I'm sorry. I'm thinking of Kibbi, not the kefta. Kibbi has the bulgur wheat and is either fried in little patties, or baked, kind of like a flat meatloaf, only yummy!

Kibbi is here: http://www.cafecreosote.com/Recipes/recipe.php3?rid=254

[USincognito]

It's a good think I ordered a pizza before reading this thread otherwise I'd have ordered two. My mouth is watering.

I'm lucky in Dallas that I can get good Iranian and Greek. I developed a taste for them growing up. I lived in Tehran as a boy and love Chelah Kabob, Khoresht Badenjon and Gormeh Sabsi. When I was a teen in Germany we went to this Greek place that had the best lamb souvflaki ever.

[ElenaS]

Same with me. I grew up eating Halupki as cabbage rolls stuffed with meat and Haluski as the same rolls but meatless, and then I come to find out that Haluski is actually the cabbage and noodle dish that I grew up calling Kapusta (which is Russian for cabbage.) Did that make any sense? lol.

Hmm, I grew up calling it kapusta too (even though I knew that also meant cabbage). I never knew the real name. I guess you learn something new every day! :)

[kamikat]

Okay so kefta are keftedes and yes they are delicious :yum: Now I want some.

What I am talking about are koupes

http://kypros.org/Sxetikos/Cookery/Koupes.htm

The recipe looks pretty straight forward, except, what is pourgouri, in the dough?

[Greg the byzantine]

I'm sorry. I'm thinking of Kibbi, not the kefta. Kibbi has the bulgur wheat and is either fried in little patties, or baked, kind of like a flat meatloaf, only yummy!

Kibbi is here: http://www.cafecreosote.com/Recipes/recipe.php3?rid=254
MMmmm :yum: that's it, except we only make the little fried patties.

Whsat is pourgouri in the dough?

Pourgouri is the Cypriot way of saying bulgur wheat, I think the Greeks call it pligouri.

[kamikat]

For anyone who's interested, these are the cookies I ended up making for Calum's International Day at camp tomorrow
http://www.richsand.com/granny/cookbook/cookbook/viewrecipe.php?id=1053992613&category=Greek

[Greg the byzantine]

For anyone who's interested, these are the cookies I ended up making for Calum's International Day at camp tomorrow
http://www.richsand.com/granny/cookbook/cookbook/viewrecipe.php?id=1053992613&category=Greek


:yum: sounds good. How did they turn out?

[kamikat]

Yum! I'm glad the recipe made 3 dozen because everyone has been sneaking them off the cooling racks. This recipe adapted quite well to my wheat-free flour mix, which means it's a keeper.

kamikat

[Greg the byzantine]

That's how you know they are delicious :)

[Michael the Iconographer]

For anyone who's interested, these are the cookies I ended up making for Calum's International Day at camp tomorrow
http://www.richsand.com/granny/cookbook/cookbook/viewrecipe.php?id=1053992613&category=Greek

And where are our samples?

[kamikat]

http://z.about.com/d/greekfood/1/6/e/3/melomakarona-499.jpg

[MariaRegina]

Please pray for VinceBlaze, a seeker. His mother just died today after a long struggle with liver cancer. He moved in with her to care for her. God bless him.

I have invited him over here to TAW. Please also invite and welcome him.

http://www.christianforums.com/t3144709-my-mother-is-losing-1-1-2-pounds-a-day.html

[DonVA]

I'm so sorry to hear this. May her memory be eternal.

Lord have mercy.

:crosseo:

[Tsarina]

Lord, have mercy! :crosseo:

[Oblio]

:crosseo:

[kamikat]

We're having pastitio tonight!
http://www.symivisitor.com/pastitio.jpg

[kamikat]

Greg, I need some help. Can you tell me what paximadia, used in karithopita, is? Thanks!

kamikat

[Greg the byzantine]

Greg, I need some help. Can you tell me what paximadia, used in karithopita, is? Thanks!

kamikat
Paximadia are just crusty bread (usually baked in the oven), good substitutes would be plain breadsticks, melba toast, or even breadcrumbs :)

[EricTheRed]

fooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood.......eric want food

[MariaRegina]

Today is the beginning of the Fast of the Theotokos, new calendar.

Any fabulous Lenten recipes to share - so that those of us with allergies can vary our diets?

Thanks.

[Melethiel]

Today is the beginning of the Fast of the Theotokos, new calendar.

Any fabulous Lenten recipes to share - so that those of us with allergies can vary our diets?

Thanks.
Soup! :P

[kamikat]

Aria, I know you and I have opposite allergies, so I don't know if my recipes will work for you, but I have a squash soup that I made a huge batch of during the Apostle Fast and froze in single servings. I'll try to find the recipe and post it later today.

[OrthodoxyUSA]

*OrthodoxyUSA walks through the room mostly asleep*


Cooooofffffeeeeee

Cooooofffffeeeeee

Coooooffffffeeeeee


Forgive me....

[DonVA]

*OrthodoxyUSA walks through the room mostly asleep*


Cooooofffffeeeeee

Cooooofffffeeeeee

Coooooffffffeeeeee


Forgive me....
:::::passes him the non-dairy creamer::::::

[Anhelyna]

Licks wonderful dairy ice cream.

Hehehehehehehe - I'm on the OC :D

[Melethiel]

And I'm Lutheran. :P

[DonVA]

I guess I need to ask my priest this in my meeting with him tomorrow, but I get confused. If we're NEW calendarists, is Pascha different for us than for the OC?

If not, why?

[OrthodoxyUSA]

:::::passes him the non-dairy creamer::::::

Thanks dude.

Is there any Splenda over there?

Forgive me....

[DonVA]

Thanks dude.

Is there any Splenda over there?

Forgive me....
We keep PLENTY of blue and yellow (my favorite, too!)around here!

[USincognito]

Thanks dude.

Is there any Splenda over there?

Forgive me....

OUSA, if you need a sweetener, could cotton to a door being held open for you, or need some help with your electrical bill during these hot summer months, you let me know man. :thumbsup:

[Oblio]

:::::passes him the non-dairy creamer::::::


You mean the Pharisee Powder ?


^_^

[Oblio]

I guess I need to ask my priest this in my meeting with him tomorrow, but I get confused. If we're NEW calendarists, is Pascha different for us than for the OC?

If not, why?


No

[Oblio]

It is only the 'fixed' feasts that are different by 13 days. Pascha (and attached feasts) is determined by lunar cycles, and there is only one moon, not two. :)

[OrthodoxyUSA]

OUSA, if you need a sweetener, could cotton to a door being held open for you, or need some help with your electrical bill during these hot summer months, you let me know man. :thumbsup:

Man! I just know your trying to tell me something?!

I just am too dumb to get it!

....could cotton to a door being held open for you.....

....or need some help with your electrical bill during these hot summer months.....


Forgive me....:liturgy:

[rusmeister]

The difference in calendars is definitely loony! :D :cry:

(Laughter through tears...)

[VinceBlaze]

Please pray for my mother. She passed away on July 17th two weeks ago, and the 40th day after that is August 25th (counting the day of death). I think she would like it too. Thank you.

[MariaRegina]

Dear Vince, where did you hear about the 40th day commemoration for those who have fallen asleep in the Lord? I'm impressed with your knowledge.

I will pray for her but I need to know her Christian name (first name).

Lovingly in Christ,
Elizabeth

[DonVA]

I'm impressed, myself! It's good to see you over here, Vince. Thanks for joining us.

[rusmeister]

Hey Don, is that a bottle of ketchup in your hand?

[VinceBlaze]

Dear Vince, where did you hear about the 40th day commemoration for those who have fallen asleep in the Lord? I'm impressed with your knowledge.

I will pray for her but I need to know her Christian name (first name).

Lovingly in Christ,
ElizabethRusmeister just told me about the 40th day. First time I've ever heard of it, lolol. My mom's first name is Roberta. Thanks for praying.

[VinceBlaze]

I'm impressed, myself! It's good to see you over here, Vince. Thanks for joining us.Thanks for having me.

[Tsarina]

Hey Don, is that a bottle of ketchup in your hand?

It's Rooh-Afzah! The best drink from South Asia. It's this flavored Rose like syrup that you put in water or milk.:P

[DonVA]

Hey Don, is that a bottle of ketchup in your hand?
Tsarina beat me to the explanation, but Andrea Elizabeth also thought it was ketchup!

Want some?

[MariaRegina]

Thanks for having me.

You are so very welcome.;)

[The Virginian]

Please pray for my mother. She passed away on July 17th two weeks ago, and the 40th day after that is August 25th (counting the day of death). I think she would like it too. Thank you.

I'd like to add to the request for prayers for a departed believer. His name is Savas "Sam" Atolis. He fell asleep in the Lord on Friday, the 28th of July. Sam had been a faithful chanter in the GOA for over sixty years.

may his memory be eternal! :crosseo:

[MariaRegina]

For Savas and Roberta

May their memories be eternal.

[Anhelyna]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Nothing quite like that first coffee of the morning :D

Thanks for leaving the machine on

[Shubunkin]

My cat just swished his tail in my dog's face about 10 times! Funny... and the dog just sat there and took it.

[MariaRegina]

My cat just swished his tail in my dog's face about 10 times! Funny... and the dog just sat there and took it.

Funny! It's a cat conspiracy. LOL

Cats swish their tails in anger.

Dogs swish their tails in happiness.

I guess it is a good thing that dogs don't understand cat psychology.

[Michael the Iconographer]

Funny! It's a cat conspiracy. LOL

Cats swish their tails in anger.

Dogs swish their tails in happiness.

I guess it is a good thing that dogs don't understand cat psychology.

And Brittany (my 7 year old English Toy Spaniel) wags her tail because she has a nuclear powered tail bone that has more life to it than the energizer bunny does...It keeps going, and going, and going...And it has infected Tikhon too, who now wags his tail more than Brittany...Ollie, he is too old to wag his tail except for when he is excited because I am giving him a biscuit.

[Tsarina]

My cat just swished his tail in my dog's face about 10 times! Funny... and the dog just sat there and took it.

My friend has a cat and a dog, and the cat is the bully over this poor doggy.

Infact, i've never heard of a dog hurt a cat, but a cat always trying to bully a dog.

Oh well, it's funny .. lols.

[Michael the Iconographer]

My friend has a cat and a dog, and the cat is the bully over this poor doggy.

Infact, i've never heard of a dog hurt a cat, but a cat always trying to bully a dog.

Oh well, it's funny .. lols.

You haven't seen my 3 chase a cat! They think cat chasing is a sport!

[kamikat]

My cat is defintely the alpha male in this house. Fiona will chase him, but when he's had enough, he swipe her across the nose and that;s the end of it. We did lose one cat to a dog, though. Before we got the collies, we got a dog from the local shelter. They assured us that she was fine with cats. They also told us she was a mixed breed mutt. They didn't know what they had. She was a purebred Jindo (http://www.kang.org/Jindo.html)with an intense hunting instinct. Withing the first week she was with us, she jumped the fence and brought down a deer. She was constantly after the cats and broke through the kiddie gates we put up to keep her from them. We ended up having to take her back to the shelter.
kamikat

[Tsarina]

You haven't seen my 3 chase a cat! They think cat chasing is a sport!

LoL poor cats! They don't know what they're in for, hunh? This is the first time i've heard this, it's usually the other way around. :P

[Michael the Iconographer]

Tikhon thinks he is the alpha male, but he is still affraid of Ollie. LOL!

[Anhelyna]

My Dalmatian just adored chasing cats - you just had to mention the word and he was whining at the door to get out for some fun :D

Oh boy could that dog move when he wanted.

Eventually the local cats learned to stay away . We had had to raise the walls and the gates - he could , and did , leap like a stag to get to them.

To my knowledge he only once managed to corner one - and he had it pinned against a gate - I was terrified at what was to come , the cat was paralysed with fear and I had to shout for my husband's help - I had only the use of one arm at that time and that spotty dog was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO strong.

The cat survived - but we never had any more come into the garden :D

[Michael the Iconographer]

My Dalmatian just adored chasing cats - you just had to mention the word and he was whining at the door to get out for some fun :D

Oh boy could that dog move when he wanted.

Eventually the local cats learned to stay away . We had had to raise the walls and the gates - he could , and did , leap like a stag to get to them.

To my knowledge he only once managed to corner one - and he had it pinned against a gate - I was terrified at what was to come , the cat was paralysed with fear and I had to shout for my husband's help - I had only the use of one arm at that time and that spotty dog was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO strong.

The cat survived - but we never had any more come into the garden :D

Considering the Puppyarch Tikhon only weighs about 7 lbs (IF THAT!), I highly doubt any cat would be too affraid if he were to corner one. Now Ollie, being 20+ lbs (the fat old man) might be of concern to a cat, but he is too old and too lazy to corner a cat anymore.

[VinceBlaze]

You are so very welcome.;)What does your church believe about the afterlife? Is there only a heaven and hell, or is there something inbetween? (Not sure if this is the best place to ask about this.) Thank you so much for praying about my mom after her passing away. I sometimes think that there is merit to the Catholic purgatory, or something like it, but I'm not sure what your church believes on that. I definitely believe in an afterlife.

[VinceBlaze]

For Savas and Roberta

May their memories be eternal.:blush: Thanks so much for praying. Most Christians or churches wouldn't do that after a person has passed away, due to strict dogmas. My heart has truly been touched that you would pray for my mom. I'm not just saying that.

[MariaRegina]

What does your church believe about the afterlife? Is there only a heaven and hell, or is there something inbetween? (Not sure if this is the best place to ask about this.) Thank you so much for praying about my mom after her passing away. I sometimes think that there is merit to the Catholic purgatory, or something like it, but I'm not sure what your church believes on that. I definitely believe in an afterlife.

We do believe in an afterlife where the righteous will have a foretaste of eternal life and the damned will have a foretaste of eternal death.

We don't know much about the intermediate stage that exists now when a person dies before the Second Coming of Christ when He will come to judge the living and the dead. The Orthodox Church as not issued any official dogmas or doctrines concerning the intermediate stage yet and probably won't.

That is why it is so imperative to repent now and really try to become Christlike in all our thoughts, words, and deeds.

That is why the saints are so kind and loving.

Have you ever read the life of St. Seraphim of Sarov? He lived in the 19th century and used to greet all with: "My joy, Christ is Risen." People came to his hut to put out a fire but discovered that he was radiating light, the Light of Christ, just like Moses when he came down from the Mount.

And yes, if you have any other questions you may post them here.

[Michael the Iconographer]

Wow, it is good to see the Cafe is actually being used to discuss Orthodoxy with those who are not Orthodox! HURRAY! :clap:

[Theophorus]

:blush: Thanks so much for praying. Most Christians or churches wouldn't do that after a person has passed away, due to strict dogmas. My heart has truly been touched that you would pray for my mom. I'm not just saying that.

"This life is given to you for repentance" / Saint Isaac of Syria.

That being said, we do not put a limit on faith and prayer, not even death.

[RedneckAnglican]

:blush: Thanks so much for praying. Most Christians or churches wouldn't do that after a person has passed away, due to strict dogmas. My heart has truly been touched that you would pray for my mom. I'm not just saying that.

I thought that's what the "coummunion of Saints" was...I still talk to my parents...and they've been dead for years...

[Shubunkin]

I thought that's what the "coummunion of Saints" was...I still talk to my parents...and they've been dead for years...

I have always had this feeling that my grandmothers, uncle, and my father have been looking over me for years.

[DonVA]

I have always had this feeling that my grandmothers, uncle, and my father have been looking over me for years.
I believe that, too. In my life, I've lost 38 people. That's nearly one per year. I have to believe that they are somehow still with me, and I pray that they continue to watch over me and my family.

[RedneckAnglican]

One of my best friends in the world was a former Russian Orthodox priest who came to this counrty and became a Methodist minister (in name only I assure you)...when my mother died I remember telling him that it just didn't feel like she was gone...He told me that was because the spirit stays with the body for 40 days after death and then assends into heaven...I remember saying, "Does the Methodist Church know your telling people this stuff"?...after I thought about it I came to the realization that even if that's not what happens how comforting that must be to the families of deceased loved ones...do I know if it's true?...don't have a clue...I'll find out when I get upstairs...I do know this...after George passed away I started crossing myself in the Eastern manner...I hope he's impressed...

[Greg the byzantine]

One of my best friends in the world was a former Russian Orthodox priest who came to this counrty and became a Methodist minister (in name only I assure you)...when my mother died I remember telling him that it just didn't feel like she was gone...He told me that was because the spirit stays with the body for 40 days after death and then assends into heaven...I remember saying, "Does the Methodist Church know your telling people this stuff"?...after I thought about it I came to the realization that even if that's not what happens how comforting that must be to the families of deceased loved ones...do I know if it's true?...don't have a clue...I'll find out when I get upstairs...I do know this...after George passed away I started crossing myself in the Eastern manner...I hope he's impressed...
My grandmother went to Kykkos Monastery in Cyprus ( http://www.kykkos-museum.cy.net/index2.html ) when she was younger to confess to a certain holy Monk. In the course of the confession they also discussed many things one of them was about death. He emphasized the importanced of the memorial Services for the Dead (Panikhida mnymosino, trisagion etc.) saying that "For the Soul of the Deceased these prayers are very important for their souls, but the prayers are many times more important for the living so that they are constantly reminded that their loved ones are being remembered and that they continue to live in the next life"

[RedneckAnglican]

My grandmother went to Kykkos Monastery in Cyprus ( http://www.kykkos-museum.cy.net/index2.html ) when she was younger to confess to a certain holy Monk. In the course of the confession they also discussed many things one of them was about death. He emphasized the importanced of the memorial Services for the Dead (Panikhida mnymosino, trisagion etc.) saying that "For the Soul of the Deceased these prayers are very important for their souls, but the prayers are many times more important for the living so that they are constantly reminded that their loved ones are being remembered and that they continue to live in the next life"

AMEN...thank you for sharing that!...

[VinceBlaze]

Have you ever read the life of St. Seraphim of Sarov? He lived in the 19th century and used to greet all with: "My joy, Christ is Risen." People came to his hut to put out a fire but discovered that he was radiating light, the Light of Christ, just like Moses when he came down from the Mount.That sounds very interesting. I've never heard of that saint, although I've read about Moses in the Bible where he generated light. I had a pastor many years ago (in my teens) who seemed to manifest a supernatural aura, so to speak. Then I began fasting like him as a teen for a few days at a time, and seemed to detect a supernatural realm.

[VinceBlaze]

"This life is given to you for repentance" / Saint Isaac of Syria.

That being said, we do not put a limit on faith and prayer, not even death.
I believe that people need to be held accountable for their temporal actions in this life. We are responsible for our earthly actions. But I don't necessarily believe that our human will has enough power to affect our afterlife. I could be wrong.

[VinceBlaze]

I thought that's what the "coummunion of Saints" was...I still talk to my parents...and they've been dead for years...That's an interesting perspective. Do you believe that your parents can hear you? I sometimes wonder if my mom can hear me speak to her after she passed away.

[Shubunkin]

I believe they can hear us and see us. I'm new to Orthodoxy, so not sure what their position is on this subject. I do not believe the dead can talk or communicate with us, however.

[VinceBlaze]

I believe they can hear us and see us. I'm new to Orthodoxy, so not sure what their position is on this subject. I do not believe the dead can talk or communicate with us, however.So they can hear and see us but we can't hear and see them?

[Orthosdoxa]

So they can hear and see us but we can't hear and see them?

Hi Vince, welcome :wave:

Generally speaking, yes. There are exceptions, though. I posted a story a while back about a Protestant who went to Alaska to try to "convert" the Orthodox. While he was there, the late Fr. Seraphim Rose appeared to him in a dream - and he'd never heard of him at that point.

(He and his family are Orthodox now, btw). There are other stories, too, of the reposed in Christ appearing to people. Those who are in the Body in Heaven hear us through the Holy Spirit - those of us on earth are not perfected yet, though, and generally do not have that ability.

LK

[RedneckAnglican]

That's an interesting perspective. Do you believe that your parents can hear you? I sometimes wonder if my mom can hear me speak to her after she passed away.

my parents are alive in CHRIST...just dead here...yes I believe they can hear me...

[VinceBlaze]

Hi Vince, welcome :wave:

Generally speaking, yes. There are exceptions, though. I posted a story a while back about a Protestant who went to Alaska to try to "convert" the Orthodox. While he was there, the late Fr. Seraphim Rose appeared to him in a dream - and he'd never heard of him at that point.

(He and his family are Orthodox now, btw). There are other stories, too, of the reposed in Christ appearing to people. Those who are in the Body in Heaven hear us through the Holy Spirit - those of us on earth are not perfected yet, though, and generally do not have that ability.

LKSamuel the deceased prophet appeared to the medium who spoke with King Saul in the Old Testament. I've encountered ghosts before myself (although not through channeling or anything like that). I tend to think that sometimes they notice us and sometimes they don't. But that's all speculation on my part. Sometimes I wonder how commonly I may be watched, whether it's all the time or just seldom.

[VinceBlaze]

my parents are alive in CHRIST...just dead here...yes I believe they can hear me...That's interesting. You're probably right. It never seemed to matter to me until my mom passed away a couple weeks ago. Now I commonly wonder about that.

[Orthosdoxa]

Samuel the deceased prophet appeared to the medium who spoke with King Saul in the Old Testament. I've encountered ghosts before myself (although not through channeling or anything like that). I tend to think that sometimes they notice us and sometimes they don't. But that's all speculation on my part. Sometimes I wonder how commonly I may be watched, whether it's all the time or just seldom.

Samuel... great name. :thumbsup: (the name my son who will be born in two days will bear, and that prophet will actually be his patron. :))

When I was headed towards becoming Orthodox, I had some horrid experiences with the supernatural myself... I tend to think now it was the evil one trying to drive me away from the Truth. So I believe you about the ghosts. Ain't nothing to mess around with.

LK

[MariaRegina]

That's interesting. You're probably right. It never seemed to matter to me until my mom passed away a couple weeks ago. Now I commonly wonder about that.

My dad passed away a little more than two years ago. Just before his second anniversary (of falling asleep in Christ), my husband who was not able to atted the funeral saw my dad. He was resplendant in white and a holy light shone from him. This was no ghost, but a glimpse of what we will be like once we have risen with Christ at His Second Coming in glory.

[RedneckAnglican]

Samuel... great name. :thumbsup: (the name my son who will be born in two days will bear, and that prophet will actually be his patron. :))

When I was headed towards becoming Orthodox, I had some horrid experiences with the supernatural myself... I tend to think now it was the evil one trying to drive me away from the Truth. So I believe you about the ghosts. Ain't nothing to mess around with.

LK

my biological mother was a witch...I used to see things in that house that would make people think I was crazy if I told anyone...Lets just say I'm a firm believer in Spiritual Warfare...

[DonVA]

Does anyone believe that spirits can communicate with us in our dreams? Or is that just our imagination conjuring up visions of people who are subconsciously on our minds?

When I was 16, I had lost a very good friend in a car wreck. Terry was 17. In my dream, I got off the bus at school and she greeted me at the door. Imagine my shock to see her there when we had just buried her! I basically asked her what she was doing there, to which she gave a very simple "Just here to let you know I'm OK."

[VinceBlaze]

When I was headed towards becoming Orthodox, I had some horrid experiences with the supernatural myself... I tend to think now it was the evil one trying to drive me away from the Truth. So I believe you about the ghosts. Ain't nothing to mess around with.

LKThat's very true. I try to be very careful. There is alot of danger too in the supernatural realm.

[MariaRegina]

Sometimes dreams can be a revelation.

Remember the dreams which Joseph interpreted in Egypt. And how dreams helped Joseph prepare for the great famine.

Then remember how St. Joseph received angelic instructions in a dream advising him to take Mary and the Child Jesus to Egypt because Herold sought to kill the Child. Joseph only had dreams to advise him, like the Joseph of old.

However, the Holy Fathers urge us to be very careful about dreams as they can be diabolical. There was a monk at Mt. Athos who had a dream advising him to forsake Christianity and deny Christ. He promptly did so without seeking the advice of his Spiritual Father.

So, I was taught that dreams can be from three sources:
(1) God and His Angels and Saints
(2) Ourselves and our imagination
(3) The devil and his hordes.

[VinceBlaze]

My dad passed away a little more than two years ago. Just before his second anniversary (of falling asleep in Christ), my husband who was not able to atted the funeral saw my dad. He was resplendant in white and a holy light shone from him. This was no ghost, but a glimpse of what we will be like once we have risen with Christ at His Second Coming in glory.I believe that the physical body, as we currently know it, is just a shell. But underneath the physical body is something much greater.

[VinceBlaze]

Does anyone believe that spirits can communicate with us in our dreams? Or is that just our imagination conjuring up visions of people who are subconsciously on our minds?I believe that spirits can sometimes communicate with us, but we are commonly not atuned to their existence. However, I also believe that our minds can distort supernatural experience by projecting a layer of protective dream material over it.

[VinceBlaze]

So, I was taught that dreams can be from three sources:
(1) God and His Angels and Saints
(2) Ourselves and our imagination
(3) The devil and his hordes.

The Bible seems to indicate that prophetic dreams are a lesser form of revelation. Moses had direct supernatural revelations not cluttered by dream material.

Numbers 12
6 He said, "Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream.
7 "Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household;
8 With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant, against Moses?"
(NAS95)

[MariaRegina]

The Bible seems to indicate that prophetic dreams are a lesser form of revelation. Moses had direct supernatural revelations not cluttered by dream material.

Numbers 12
6 He said, "Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream.
7 "Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household;
8 With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant, against Moses?"
(NAS95)


Any form of revelation must be tested or discerned to see if it is from God.

The Church examined the books of the New Testament for 300 years before deciding which ones were canonical.

Dreams or apparitions can be of God, the devil, our own imaginations, or especially today, due to psychoactive drugs.

Discernment is very important. That is why we Orthodox Christians have a Spiritual Father to guide us.

[DonVA]

I had never had that type of dream about that particular person again, but again, when my aunt passed, I had a dream where she kept repeating numbers to me (she was a bingo player!) "Five, twenty-one!" Over and over again that's all she'd say.

My fiancee at the time thought it meant that we should set our wedding date for May 21 of the following year.

While the wedding never occurred, the next year, my sister bought a house at 521 Lakewood Terrace.

[kamikat]

my biological mother was a witch...I used to see things in that house that would make people think I was crazy if I told anyone...Lets just say I'm a firm believer in Spiritual Warfare...

Before I came to Christ, I was a witch and had studied to become a druid, but chickened out right before the initiation. We have probably seen alot of the same things.

kamikat

[MariaRegina]

Before I came to Christ, I was a witch and had studied to become a druid, but chickened out right before the initiation. We have probably seen alot of the same things.

kamikat

That was the grace of God.

I guess your guardian angel was working overtime.

[MariaRegina]

I had never had that type of dream about that particular person again, but again, when my aunt passed, I had a dream where she kept repeating numbers to me (she was a bingo player!) "Five, twenty-one!" Over and over again that's all she'd say.

My fiancee at the time thought it meant that we should set our wedding date for May 21 of the following year.

While the wedding never occurred, the next year, my sister bought a house at 521 Lakewood Terrace.


That is spooky, but coincidences do occur.

[DonVA]

We did have a good laugh about it when my sister called to tell me her new address! I remember saying "Of ALL the things she could tell me from the other side, she would try to give me your new address before YOU did? Whatever!" ^_^

We pretty much chalked it up to my very bizarre subconscious. But now that we're on this, I do remember a very vivid and quite demonic dream I had in college. I was shouting the Lord's Prayer in my sleep when my roommate woke me up.

Fortunately, the demonic voice speaking to me in my dream was using a language I didn't understand. I took that as a good sign that I wasn't open to what he had to say.

[MariaRegina]

We did have a good laugh about it when my sister called to tell me her new address! I remember saying "Of ALL the things she could tell me from the other side, she would try to give me your new address before YOU did? Whatever!" ^_^

We pretty much chalked it up to my very bizarre subconscious. But now that we're on this, I do remember a very vivid and quite demonic dream I had in college. I was shouting the Lord's Prayer in my sleep when my roommate woke me up.

Fortunately, the demonic voice speaking to me in my dream was using a language I didn't understand. I took that as a good sign that I wasn't open to what he had to say.


Did your roommate actually hear you say the Lord's Prayer?

Once my hubbie was dreaming and he thought that he was speaking clearly but all I heard was
Wha ... Wha .... Wha

I said, "What?"

And he said:

I did not say what.

[RedneckAnglican]

Before I came to Christ, I was a witch and had studied to become a druid, but chickened out right before the initiation. We have probably seen alot of the same things.

kamikat

more than likely...I really need to get some more St. Benedict medals...

[MariaRegina]

more than likely...I really need to get some more St. Benedict medals...

You need an icon of St. Michael the Archangel.

The Orthodox Prison Ministry has a really cool icon of St. Michael with wonderful prayers of exorcism on the back. Very powerful.

[RedneckAnglican]

You need an icon of St. Michael the Archangel.

The Orthodox Prison Ministry has a really cool icon of St. Michael with wonderful prayers of exorcism on the back. Very powerful.

that sounds like it would work better...I live in an apartment so buring the St Benedict medals wouldn't be workable...I wonder if Michael the Iconographer has one of those...

[DonVA]

Did your roommate actually hear you say the Lord's Prayer?

Once my hubbie was dreaming and he thought that he was speaking clearly but all I heard was


I said, "What?"

And he said:
I think everyone within a three floor radius of my dorm room heard me screaming it. The dream was terrifying. I was crying and sweating and praying and making all kinds of commotion! He physically grabbed my shoulders and shook me awake. That was more than 20 years ago, and I've not had a similar dream since.

I have, however, recently reconnected with that old roommate. He had been my best friend all through college. I found him in this year's edition of my fraternity's alumni directory. He was laughing because when his phone rang, he was looking to see if there was current information on me in the book. He left college to get married in 1984, took a job at a bowling alley to support her, realized that wouldn't cut it so joined the Army, served in the first Gulf war, came back (thank God), returned to college, divorced (this is where we lost touch) and eventually became a pharmacist.

It's amazing how much has changed in each of our lives since we last spoke. It's probably safe to say that we're very different people now than we were back then, but we get on the phone and it's like nothing's changed and no time has passed.

[MariaRegina]

wow!

[VinceBlaze]

Dreams or apparitions can be of God, the devil, our own imaginations, or especially today, due to psychoactive drugs.I had ceased contact with my best friend of fifteen years, because he had started using psychoactive drugs and was pressing them on me despite my clearly spoken resistance. He often spoke with wondrous wisdom, but much of it had originated from consciousness-expanding drugs which I detest. It's no different than a bodybuilder who uses steroids in my opinion. Certain drugs illicitly expand consciousness, but they can make people mentally ill too. They're very dangerous.

[DonVA]

just to clarify: I was NOT on drugs when this odd dream occurred! :)

[VinceBlaze]

just to clarify: I was NOT on drugs when this odd dream occurred! :):thumbsup: I understand. I wasn't referring to you at all. I've had a number of dreams and supernatural experiences too, but they weren't drug-related either.

[VinceBlaze]

What does this verse mean?

1Co 15:29 Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?

[Oblio]

Certain drugs illicitly expand consciousness, but they can make people mentally ill too. They're very dangerous.


e.g. Syd Barrett (memory eternal !)

[choirfiend]

Check out the thread started on that verse by rusmeister. He either saw your post and was curious as well, or else you have funny timing.

[VinceBlaze]

Check out the thread started on that verse by rusmeister. He either saw your post and was curious as well, or else you have funny timing.I had originally presented the question to him. However, I can't post in the other thread, because I get this message when I try:


Christian Forums MessageYou need to be a Christian to post in this forum, as defined by Forum Rule 6 (read here (http://www.christianforums.com/faq.php?faq=rules#faq_no_co)). If you are a Christian according to Forum Rule 6, please choose your Christian Category Or Faith in your User CP, Profile, so that you are able to post in this forum.

[choirfiend]

Well, did reading that thread clear anything up for you? I know, you cant post in Christian-Only areas, but we can continue to answer your questions wherever you can see them:)

[VinceBlaze]

Well, did reading that thread clear anything up for you? I know, you cant post in Christian-Only areas, but we can continue to answer your questions wherever you can see them:):) Thank you. I'm not sure that I understood the commentary materials.

[DonVA]

Hey Vince, don't look now but in the short time you've been visiting this thread you've become one of the top ten posters! Congratulations! :thumbsup:

[MariaRegina]

Wow, I am the #3 poster here.

Vince you are #10.

[RedneckAnglican]

wow...I have to start posting more...

[DonVA]

Looks like the race for #1 is on! ^_^

[RedneckAnglican]

absolutely...what kind of a redneck would I be if I wasn't a race fan?...

[DonVA]

absolutely...what kind of a redneck would I be if I wasn't a race fan?...
LOL. I'm a Jimmie Johnson fan!

[RedneckAnglican]

don't care who it is...as long as they drive a Dodge...

[MariaRegina]

Guess I will be bumped in short order.

[rusmeister]

Wah, I wanna be in the top ten! :cry: :P

Uh, Vince, could you clarify what you do (or don't) understand?

[MariaRegina]

:) Thank you. I'm not sure that I understood the commentary materials.

Vince, since this is an open cafe, do you think you could post your questions or concerns here? It will be more like asking a question in a kitchen where several conversations are ongoing, but you can make sense of it all.

Oh, BTW, how is your girlfriend?

In Christ,
Elizabeth

[RedneckAnglican]

anyone suggest any good books on Orthodoxy that a total novice like me can understand?...

[kamikat]

My priest started me off with these books by Fr Thomas Hopko.
https://secure.oca.org/ocpc/scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=27

[VinceBlaze]

Hey Vince, don't look now but in the short time you've been visiting this thread you've become one of the top ten posters! Congratulations! :thumbsup::blush: Really? Wow. How did that happen?

[VinceBlaze]

Wow, I am the #3 poster here.

Vince you are #10.I'm amazed. How do you know?

[VinceBlaze]

Wah, I wanna be in the top ten! :cry: :P

Uh, Vince, could you clarify what you do (or don't) understand?I'm trying to understand how the Eastern Orthodox interpret the verse in question about baptism of the dead.

[VinceBlaze]

Vince, since this is an open cafe, do you think you could post your questions or concerns here? It will be more like asking a question in a kitchen where several conversations are ongoing, but you can make sense of it all.

Oh, BTW, how is your girlfriend?

In Christ,
ElizabethSure thing. Thank you. And my girlfriend is doing fine. I've been a bit restricted with my time with her, because I've been trying to recover from illness since my mom died. But I'm getting better. Just slowly. She's been very patient with me since my mom died.

[Melethiel]

I'm amazed. How do you know?

You go to the forum page, and click on the number that shows the number of replies...it'll open a dialogue that lists how many posts each person has in a thread.

[DonVA]

Vince is up to #8. Aria is still holding on at #3.

[VinceBlaze]

You go to the forum page, and click on the number that shows the number of replies...it'll open a dialogue that lists how many posts each person has in a thread.Okay, thank you. I had no idea.

[VinceBlaze]

Vince is up to #8. Aria is still holding on at #3.I have no desire to compete with anyone. I just try to respond to each post that is directed to me out of courtesy. I once saw a forum that auto-merges successive posts from a single poster to keep the post counts down. But I might be responding to multiple posters at a time, because I may be gone for two days at length sometimes. Then I cluster post.

[kamikat]

yours truly is still #1

[MariaRegina]

So, Vince, could you kindly repost that bible verse that you are questioning?

Please. ;)

[MariaRegina]

Well, Vince you have moved up to #7.

And the top three are still in position.

[VinceBlaze]

So, Vince, could you kindly report that bible verse that you are questioning?

Please. ;):) Sure. I had asked for the meaning of this verse:

1 Corinthians 15
29 Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?
(NAS95)

[VinceBlaze]

Well, Vince you have moved up to #7.

And the top three are still in position.:D Well, you keep on responding to my posts, so I keep posting, lolol.

[MariaRegina]

Hey, Vince, would you consider buying an Orthodox Study Bible?

It has a lot of footnotes that would explain some of the questions you have. I enjoy it for that reason. I'm going to see what it has to say. BRB

[MariaRegina]

:) Sure. I had asked for the meaning of this verse:

1 Corinthians 15
29 Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?
(NAS95)

Okay, in order not to violate copyright laws and not to offend our jurists here in the slightest way, I will pose the answer in a jeopardy way.

(1) What is the Marcionite heresy of which St. John Chyrsostom wrote?

(2) What are the practices of the followers of the gnostic teacher Cerinthus?

cf: page 401, The Orthodox Study Bible, New Testament and Psalms.

[Shubunkin]

I have an Orthodox Study Bible, and use it. It is really nice to have. ;)

[Tsarina]

I have an Orthodox Study Bible, and use it. It is really nice to have. ;)

I love the Orthodox Study Bible! It's definatley nice to have.. everyone should have one. :thumbsup:

[Knowledge3]

Just saying hello :wave:

[DonVA]

Howdy! :wave:

You all just missed the commotion around here. My poor dog just slid down the last four steps into the living room on his chin.

I had to run out there to see what was going on!

I love how they just don't get embarrassed when they do stuff like that. I wish I could be more like them sometimes!

[Tsarina]

Howdy! :wave:

You all just missed the commotion around here. My poor dog just slid down the last four steps into the living room on his chin.

I had to run out there to see what was going on!

I love how they just don't get embarrassed when they do stuff like that. I wish I could be more like them sometimes!

Aw, i hope your doggy is okay! What kind of dog do you have? :)

[DonVA]

He's a cocker-beagle mix. Looks like a blonde beagle. I've had him since he was a puppy, and I can't believe he's about to turn 15, has the beginning stages of cataracts, and a mild case of hip dysplasia. For the most part, he's quite healthy, and can handle the little stumbles here and there. He navigates his way down the stairs in the dark pretty well, but sometimes he just misses by a little bit, and down he comes. I think he stays with my son until he senses he's asleep, then feels he needs to check the rest of the house to make sure we're all safe!

Anyway, when I got to him, he was shaking it off, then came back to my room to call it a night.

Here he is guarding the pool:

http://hometown.aol.com/nanadon/images/poolbarney.jpg

[MariaRegina]

Nice pooch and pool

[DonVA]

Yea, but we have to put the pooch away if we want to actually USE the pool. He's like a crazed canine lifeguard. He runs around the pool barking, and gets all worked up and upset. He hates to swim, so thinks we must be in some sort of danger while we're in there. Either that, or he really doesn't like us splashing around in his giant water bowl.

[Tsarina]

He's a cocker-beagle mix. Looks like a blonde beagle. I've had him since he was a puppy, and I can't believe he's about to turn 15, has the beginning stages of cataracts, and a mild case of hip dysplasia. For the most part, he's quite healthy, and can handle the little stumbles here and there. He navigates his way down the stairs in the dark pretty well, but sometimes he just misses by a little bit, and down he comes. I think he stays with my son until he senses he's asleep, then feels he needs to check the rest of the house to make sure we're all safe!

Anyway, when I got to him, he was shaking it off, then came back to my room to call it a night.

Here he is guarding the pool:

http://hometown.aol.com/nanadon/images/poolbarney.jpg

Oh he's ADORABLE!
Sorry to hear about his problem, but it's good to hear that besides that he's healthy.

Andrew and i have a little dog. He's 8 years old, not that 'little' for a dog but the brat is little physically.

The doggy is half 'Shih Tzu' and half 'poodle' making it a Shih poo . Adorable dog!

Btw, is that your pool?...
If you see someone swimming in it during the night... :sorry: it wasn't me.

[MariaRegina]

I kind of got that feeling when I saw the empty swimming pool.

He has that look, "I dare you."

[DonVA]

LOL. OK. So if the towels on the back porch are wet, you didn't use them, either?

[DonVA]

By the way, his name is Barney, and NO I didn't name him for the purple dinosaur! LOL

[Tsarina]

By the way, his name is Barney, and NO I didn't name him for the purple dinosaur! LOL

Cute name! and besides that.. what's wrong with Barney the purple dinosaur? I loved him as a child, lols.

Oh... we don't have a pic on the pc of our dog (Knuckles).. but here's a picture of how he looks like. It's dead on... even the way this dog in the pic below sticks his tounge out is what Knuckles does.

http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/%7Eamb05n/shih_tzu1.jpg

[MariaRegina]

What breed is that pooch, Tsarina?

[Tsarina]

What breed is that pooch, Tsarina?

Shih poo :)

[VinceBlaze]

Hey, Vince, would you consider buying an Orthodox Study Bible?

It has a lot of footnotes that would explain some of the questions you have. I enjoy it for that reason. I'm going to see what it has to say. BRBHhmm, I'm not sure. Where do they sell them? I'm sorta poor, because I'm medically disabled.

[VinceBlaze]

(1) What is the Marcionite heresy of which St. John Chyrsostom wrote?

(2) What are the practices of the followers of the gnostic teacher Cerinthus?

cf: page 401, The Orthodox Study Bible, New Testament and Psalms.I've never heard of that stuff. Is there an online version maybe?

[MariaRegina]

I don't think that the Orthodox Study Bible is online.

However, neither have I checked Cerinthus and Marcion on the Internet.

[choirfiend]

You can go to Our Life in Christ (http://www.ourlifeinchrist.com/donate.htm#Our_Free,_No_Strings_Attached_Orthodox_Study_Bible_Offer%21) broadcast, and request one., though it may take a while to get one b/c they send them as soon as they have the funds to do so. Or you can buy one online from Conciliar Press, (http://www.conciliarpress.com) which of course also has lots of other great stuff.

[choirfiend]

They also have a book with commentary on 1st and 2nd Corinthians at Conciliar Press.

And in the other thread, EOE posted a whole page of commentary (from St John Chrysostom of the 4th century) on that exact quotation. Did you see it?

[VinceBlaze]

I don't think that the Orthodox Study Bible is online.Okay, thank you.

[VinceBlaze]

You can go to Our Life in Christ (http://www.ourlifeinchrist.com/donate.htm#Our_Free,_No_Strings_Attached_Orthodox_Study_Bible_Offer%21) broadcast, and request one., though it may take a while to get one b/c they send them as soon as they have the funds to do so. Or you can buy one online from Conciliar Press, (http://www.conciliarpress.com) which of course also has lots of other great stuff.

And in the other thread, EOE posted a whole page of commentary (from St John Chrysostom of the 4th century) on that exact quotation. Did you see it?
Yes, I had a chance to look at the other thread. I'm not necessarily certain that I would place the perspective of one church over another. Both the Eastern Orthodox church and the Mormon church have different practices, for example. Since I consider myself to be agnostic, I don't necessarily align my belief system with one church over another.

[Protoevangel]

You can go to Our Life in Christ (http://www.ourlifeinchrist.com/donate.htm#Our_Free,_No_Strings_Attached_Orthodox_Study_Bible_Offer%21) broadcast, and request one., though it may take a while to get one b/c they send them as soon as they have the funds to do so. Or you can buy one online from Conciliar Press, (http://www.conciliarpress.com) which of course also has lots of other great stuff.
I was going to request one from Our Life in Christ, after listening to their podcast on the filioque, but when I got to the page, I noticed that their offer is for non-Orthodox in the Phoenix area.

If you are non-Orthodox and listen to the broadcast in the Phoenix metropolitan area, we encourage you to ask for one (Orthodox Christians are encouraged to purchase one from their church bookstore).

That's OK, I may be unemployed, but I think I can come up with the $22 to buy one from the local Orthodox bookstore pretty soon! I'll have to save up a little more before I go there, they have some of the most beautiful icons in there. I really have my eye on this little tryptich, that I think would go great on my nightstand.

[choirfiend]

Steve and Bill have also said that they try to fulfill all requests--and have been doing so! If money is truly a hardship, please do not refrain from requesting--Steve and Bill love to help as much as they can!

[kamikat]

On the menu tonight
http://www.mccormick.com/assets/RosemaryLemonRoastedChicken.jpg
and for dessert, since we went to the local farmers' market
http://www.bbhollow.com/Blackberry_Cobbler.jpg
Is our ABC license up-to-date? Can we go back down to the cellar?
http://www.portowine.net/garrafas3.jpg

[DonVA]

I'll have two #3's please.

[MariaRegina]

On the menu tonight
http://www.mccormick.com/assets/RosemaryLemonRoastedChicken.jpg
and for dessert, since we went to the local farmers' market
http://www.bbhollow.com/Blackberry_Cobbler.jpg
Is our ABC license up-to-date? Can we go back down to the cellar?
http://www.portowine.net/garrafas3.jpg

is that a blackberry cobbler?

[kamikat]

Oh, yeah!!!! Then, it's on to making the blackberry jam, then muffins, then whatever else before the family gets sick of them.

[RedneckAnglican]

Oh, yeah!!!! Then, it's on to making the blackberry jam, then muffins, then whatever else before the family gets sick of them.

stay there...I'll be there to help right away!...

[Shubunkin]

Where is the chocolate cake? :yum:

[Anhelyna]

AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

Kamikat - how could you - everything you put on the menu is off for me :(

It's still the Dormition fast :(

And I'm positively droooooooooooooooooooooling

[The Virginian]

Holy Mother of God forgive me, for I am weak, especially in regards to things such as homade cobbler!

[MariaRegina]

I made a wonderful homemade cobbler without any dairy products.

Want me to share my mouth-watering peach blackberry cobbler?

[Shubunkin]

I made a wonderful homemade cobbler without any dairy products.

Want me to share my mouth-watering peach blackberry cobbler?

You mean the recipe? Please do!! :yum:

I can dig out some recipes that are favorites here.

[RedneckAnglican]

I'll take a recipe...I love cobbler...

[VinceBlaze]

:wave: Just stopped by to say hello. How's everybody doing?

[MariaRegina]

Fine. I must dig up that cobbler recipe.

Thanks for turning on the light, Vince.

How are you feeling?

[MariaRegina]

Well, it is after midnight.
I must retire as I am seeing double.

I will share the cobbler recipe tomorrow.

Good night all.

[VinceBlaze]

Fine. I must dig up that cobbler recipe.

Thanks for turning on the light, Vince.

How are you feeling?I'm doing pretty good. I'm trying to protect my civil rights now, because some discrimated against me with my medical handicap.

[VinceBlaze]

Well, it is after midnight.
I must retire as I am seeing double.

I will share the cobbler recipe tomorrow.

Good night all.That's when I close one eye, lolol. Have a good night then.

[Breaking Babylon]

Mind if I join in on the fellowship here?

You'd better not. Aria's got my back. :sorry:

[VinceBlaze]

Mind if I join in on the fellowship here?

You'd better not. Aria's got my back. :sorry:Welcome. How's it going this late night?

[eoe]

Welcome to TAW BlakeMichael

[DonVA]

Welcome BlakeMichael! :wave:

Vince! Good to see you. Glad to hear you're doing alright. Who's discriminating against you? WHY do people still try to DO that? :scratch:

[Breaking Babylon]

Welcome. How's it going this late night?

Well I took off right after I made that post, but as far as right now goes, I can't complain. Thanks for asking. :) How are you?

Thanks for the warm welcomes, John and DonVA. It's good to be here. I've been learning quite a bit about Orthodoxy lately.

[DonVA]

I like your guitar! Please play something for us!

[VinceBlaze]

Welcome BlakeMichael! :wave:

Vince! Good to see you. Glad to hear you're doing alright. Who's discriminating against you? WHY do people still try to DO that? :scratch:My brother's family lied to the police. First, I was threatened in a parking lot and told that I would be hurt. I then filed a police report, but my brother's in-laws said that I was instead told that I'd hurt myself, erroneously claiming that I was suicidal. They twisted the violent threat made at me into a fictitious report that I was a violent threat to myself.

My brother's family doesn't like the fact that I was named as the executor of my mom's will, so they're trying to make the claim that I'm insane, and therefore unable to manage money. So they erroneously told the police that I'm suicidal, attempting unsuccessfully to have me locked away. They did this in an attempt to have me removed as executor of my mom's will. But it didn't work.

[VinceBlaze]

Well I took off right after I made that post, but as far as right now goes, I can't complain. Thanks for asking. :) How are you?:wave: I'm doing reasonable, all things considered. Thanks for asking.

[MariaRegina]

My brother's family lied to the police. First, I was threatened in a parking lot and told that I would be hurt. I then filed a police report, but my brother's in-laws said that I was instead told that I'd hurt myself, erroneously claiming that I was suicidal. They twisted the violent threat made at me into a fictitious report that I was a violent threat to myself.

My brother's family doesn't like the fact that I was named as the executor of my mom's will, so they're trying to make the claim that I'm insane, and therefore unable to manage money. So they erroneously told the police that I'm suicidal, attempting unsuccessfully to have me locked away. They did this in an attempt to have me removed as executor of my mom's will. But it didn't work.


How did you manage to get out of that situation?

I have heard a lot of horror stories about relatives. It happened to my family too.
My grandma lost her inheritance that way. It's all love of money. They will kill for it.

In my case -

The nasty Nazi neighbor who lived behind me tried to kill my husband and me and attempted to take away our property.
It was the Holy Spirit who saved me by His quiet little voice, otherwise I wouldn't be here today.

I felt directed to stop gardening, go inside, take a shower, put on some good clothes, and have a quick lunch.
Shortly afterwards the police came to my door with the PET (Psychiatric Evaluation Team) to take me away.

I did not let them in. First I called my husband, who worked for the news media and had an FBI and Sheriff's clearance.
Then I felt calmly directed to call my attorney who asked to speak to the police.
My attorney told them that he had the restraining order against my neighbor and that my neighbor
must have falsified the one given them.

Soon my husband arrived home with his press passes and that stopped them cold.

That weekend that Nazi fled to Arizona.

Incidentally two of those policemen involved against me were later charged in the Rodney King beating.
Unfortunately that Nazi had befriended them with extreme hate literature from Thunderbolt, Spotlight, and Lyndon LaRouche.
It was when we refused that same hate-filled literature that this neighbor suddenly turned against us.
Oh, yeah, Lyndon LaRouche has a history. That Nazi wrote many of the articles in his magazine as a ghost writer.

[RedneckAnglican]

afternoon folks...

[VinceBlaze]

How did you manage to get out of that situation?I am still in the situation. My brother's in-laws are attempting to have me declared insane, so as to potentially prohibit me from acting as executor of my mom's will. They lied to the police officer, and the officer believed them. Now I am gearing to prosecute the police officer for the entertainment of slander. I was erroneously accused of being suicidal, so that they could try to lock me away. Despite the fact that I have never been self-violent in my entire lifetime.

[MariaRegina]

There is a law against harassing and discriminating against people who are disabled. I hope you can use this law against your brother-in-law.

Keep your girlfriend informed because she may need to give a character reference.

This is also where membership in a church would really help. Pastors are often called in as character witnesses.

[MariaRegina]

afternoon folks...


Hey, is that a new user title I see there?

[RedneckAnglican]

Hey, is that a new user title I see there?

depends...if you've been here awhile it could be a very old one...this was my first one...I've gone through 2 others...

[rusmeister]

Are the other names a secret? (ie, do I already know you?)

[MariaRegina]

Your user title says -

Southern Born Orthodox Anglican-Lutheran

Does this mean that the Anglicans and Lutherans are now unified?

Do you consider yourself to be Orthodox?

[VinceBlaze]

There is a law against harassing and discriminating against people who are disabled. I hope you can use this law against your brother-in-law.I will try to find this law and see how it applies.

Keep your girlfriend informed because she may need to give a character reference.I will try but she used to work for the police department, and doesn't want to prosecute a police officer.

This is also where membership in a church would really help. Pastors are often called in as character witnesses.I had a regular pastor that I still see sometimes, but I haven't been attending church regularly.

[RedneckAnglican]

Your user title says -

Southern Born Orthodox Anglican-Lutheran

Does this mean that the Anglicans and Lutherans are now unified?

Do you consider yourself to be Orthodox?

First I was RedneckAnglican...then RedneckLutheran...then HUS1415...

as far as the other...I currently attend an Anglican Church, but I was Lutheran most of my life...so most of my views on Chirstianity are still very Lutheran...but I've been learing more about Orthodoxy lately...and am finding it a pretty good match with what I've been taught...that and I love the services...it's the practice of being Christian rather than the whole "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" brand of western Christianity that is so prevelent down here in Texas...I had a good friend who was a former Russian Orthodox Priest...please understand...when I say former I mean he was a Priest in the former Soviet Union (Georgia) and after a couple of scraps with the KGB made it to this country and was hired on by the United Methodist Church (you never met a Methodist like George I can tell you that) He was a firend and a mentor...I learned a lot about Orthodoxy from him....well he passed away a few years back...but I am still learning...mostly from y'all...

[MariaRegina]

I will try to find this law and see how it applies.

I will try but she used to work for the police department, and doesn't want to prosecute a police officer.

I had a regular pastor that I still see sometimes, but I haven't been attending church regularly.

There is a US federal law which prohibits discrimination against Disabled Americans.

Do a google search.

[MariaRegina]

First I was RedneckAnglican...then RedneckLutheran...then HUS1415...

as far as the other...I currently attend an Anglican Church, but I was Lutheran most of my life...so most of my views on Chirstianity are still very Lutheran...but I've been learing more about Orthodoxy lately...and am finding it a pretty good match with what I've been taught...that and I love the services...it's the practice of being Christian rather than the whole "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" brand of western Christianity that is so prevelent down here in Texas...I had a good friend who was a former Russian Orthodox Priest...please understand...when I say former I mean he was a Priest in the former Soviet Union (Georgia) and after a couple of scraps with the KGB made it to this country and was hired on by the United Methodist Church (you never met a Methodist like George I can tell you that) He was a firend and a mentor...I learned a lot about Orthodoxy from him....well he passed away a few years back...but I am still learning...mostly from y'all...

Thanks for sharing this and I hope that Orthodoxy will be a good fit.

I will pray for George.

[VinceBlaze]

There is a US federal law which prohibits discrimination against Disabled Americans.

Do a google search.Thanks much. I'm having a hard time finding too much that applies to my specific situation. In fact, it seems like the laws of the land fail to protect medically handicapped individuals in this situation at all.

For example, I could falsely accuse you of making a suicidal threat against yourself. (I'm speaking completely hypothetically, and would never do this. I don't even know you in person.) The police could then enforce a psychological examination on you to see if you are a danger to yourself. If you resist taking the examination, you might be forced into incarceration and/or psychiatric institutionalization, away from your job and family, on the sole basis that I falsely accused you of being suicidal. I could do this once a week for three weeks, by which time you will have lost your job, if you resist the multiple health examinations, as the paramedics force themselves through all of your medications against your will.

[MariaRegina]

Did they do a Psychiatric Emergency Team response on you?

They tried that on me because the Nazi had friends in the county health department.
It turns out that another woman with almost the same birthday had the same name as I did.

So I had to do a legal name change at a cost of over 700 dollars.

[VinceBlaze]

Did they do a Psychiatric Emergency Team response on you?Yes, something like that. The paramedics came to see if I was psychologically coherent. They performed absolutely no physical checks on me, beyond psychiatric. I felt harrassed, because they had absolutely no legal basis for it that I can tell.

They tried that on me because the Nazi had friends in the county health department.
It turns out that another woman with almost the same birthday had the same name as I did.They did it with absolutely no basis?

So I had to do a legal name change at a cost of over 700 dollars.That sounds terrible that you'd have to do a name change, just due to the government's failure to respect your civil rights. I'm sorry that you had to go through that. Did a name change benefit you then?

[MariaRegina]

Well we shall see.

The judge in the court was sympathetic and willingly granted me the name change. There are a lot of identity thefts occurring.

But in my case, the nurses at the local hospital were pulling her file and confusing my medical records with hers. That was very dangerous because I am chemically sensitive to ALMOST ALL DRUGS.

[VinceBlaze]

But in my case, the nurses at the local hospital were pulling her file and confusing my medical records with hers. That was very dangerous because I am chemically sensitive to ALMOST ALL DRUGS.I generally don't trust the government to get it right all the time. People are largely just numbers on paper to the government. Hospitals and corporations are the same way.

I served in management supervision some years ago, having about 400 employees previously under me. I learned firsthand how inefficient corporate and government systems are.

A corporation or government is basically a machine, not possessing compassion or emotions. Machines are made of cold metal, and tend to wear down after much disuse. Much like a car that is prone to break down on the road. If the machine breaks down, no amount of pleading with it will cause it to extend compassion, because it is made of cold metal.

There are some people who maintain partial compassion while functioning within the corporation or government, but it is only because they are not in full alignment with such machine. They are not yet given over to it fully, but rather only partially. I will not entrust my heart to a machine. It is very dangerous, for if I suffer, it cannot show compassion.

[VinceBlaze]

My mother came and held my hands and kissed me a few moments ago from the afterlife. She said that she wasn't able to return home yet until now. I let her draw energies from my arm moments prior that purged her like electricity. The energies burned her a little bit, but they mostly purged her. And then she was afterward pure from her suffering and I cried. She spoke to me audibly and touched me tangibly on my left shoulder, head and both hands, as I was awakening from a deep sleep. Her purity made me cry. It's like she became freed afterward.

[DonVA]

My mother came and held my hands and kissed me a few moments ago from the afterlife. She said that she wasn't able to return home yet until now. I let her draw energies from my arm moments prior that purged her like electricity. The energies burned her a little bit, but they mostly purged her. And then she was afterward pure from her suffering and I cried. She spoke to me audibly and touched me tangibly on my left shoulder, head and both hands, as I was awakening from a deep sleep. Her purity made me cry. It's like she became freed afterward.
Amazing, Vince. Glory to God.

[USincognito]

I'm sorry to get all carnal on everyone but September is here and that means that the local Greek Church and my friend subdeacon John's Antiochan Church are soon to have their cultural festivals and I can't wait to get home made Greek and Mediterranian food. There are several resturaunts where I can get it here, but the feed at the fests has the special ingrediant of love. :yum:

[VinceBlaze]

Amazing, Vince. Glory to God.I don't fully understand the experience that I had, but that's how I'm interpreting it. It was extremely vivid and took me by surprise.

[Shubunkin]

Well, I have finally received (and am wearing) my first Orthodox cross necklace. :)

[MariaRegina]

My mother came and held my hands and kissed me a few moments ago from the afterlife. She said that she wasn't able to return home yet until now. I let her draw energies from my arm moments prior that purged her like electricity. The energies burned her a little bit, but they mostly purged her. And then she was afterward pure from her suffering and I cried. She spoke to me audibly and touched me tangibly on my left shoulder, head and both hands, as I was awakening from a deep sleep. Her purity made me cry. It's like she became freed afterward.


Maybe your mom, being a Christian, is trying to let you know that your prayers and ours are effective. I think she is giving you more than a hint that you should be visiting an Orthodox Church and attending some classes there.

I honestly feel that she wants you to put on Christ so that you too can win the race and ultimately join her in heaven.

[Breaking Babylon]

Well, I have finally received (and am wearing) my first Orthodox cross necklace. :)

Ooh! I want one! :)

But I've officially got my faith icon changed to EO, so that's a nice step. ;)

[MariaRegina]

Dear Michael,

When it is near time for your chrism