Do True Christians still Sin?

[ReiBicre]

Do True Christians still Sin?

[Dondi]

Do True Christians still Sin?

Yes.

[CrazyforYeshua]

Unfortunately, we do. We are born with a sinful nature, and even after receiving the Holy Spirit, we are still flesh. It's continuing to walk in sin that the Bible refers to, we all sin occasionally.

[ReiBicre]

So if I have sex with a sister in the church and ask forgiveness I will still be safe?

[eldermike]

So if I have sex with a sister in the church and ask forgiveness I will still be safe?

It's about a heart condition, it's not about our ability to follow a moral code, that old moral code system points us to Christ who is the only way. The Christ law is written on our heart. The victory over sin is a victory over sins ability to lead to death, that sting is no more. But it comes with a heart change. The new heart is set on God, not on our sister in church. Hense, the idea that one who lives in sin has the same old heart that they started out with.

[Harlan Norris]

Do True Christians still Sin?I have to say yes,and on a daily basis.The struggle against the flesh is not eliminated by our faith.Our faith just makes us more aware,and should produce a determined effort to improve.However, we are not able of ourselves to overcome.So,we pray for faith and strength.Perfection in this flesh is not possible.

[ReiBicre]

Ok, I understand what you are all saying.
As long as I remember to ask forgiveness for my sins I will not lose eternal life if I have sex with the girls in the church.

[CrazyforYeshua]

Ok, I understand what you are all saying.
As long as I remember to ask forgiveness for my sins I will not lose eternal life if I have sex with the girls in the church.

You're being fecesious(sp), and sarcastic. That's not what we're saying, and you know it. What we're saying is, we DO NOT intentionally sin, with the idea we can ask forgivness afer. It doesn't work that way.

[PearlOfGreatPrice]

Ok, I understand what you are all saying.
As long as I remember to ask forgiveness for my sins I will not lose eternal life if I have sex with the girls in the church.

Missing the point just a tad here I think. The point is to try to stop doing the sin in the first place - in other words make the effort not to put the sisters in the church in that position, and ask for His help to control your urges.

Frankly I hope the sisters in the church tell you 'NO' in no uncertain terms because your attitude smacks of a certain disrespect towards them, frankly.

Blessings

[Dondi]

So if I have sex with a sister in the church and ask forgiveness I will still be safe?

You misunderstand the purpose of forgiveness. We are trespassers of God's Law. But moreover we are alienated from God. We have failed to love the Lord our God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength, and failed to love others as ourself. The whole concept of salvation is to restore us into a right relationship with God and our fellow man. The basis of forgiveness in Christ is to bring us back to a state of serving God and others with a pure heart.

You are presupposing sin and presupposing forgiveness of that sin. That attitude gets you nowhere in bringing you into a right relationship with God and seriously damages your relationship with your neighbor, specifically the sister in question. You will not only disrupt your relationship with God, but hers as well. Why would you want to do that?

[ReiBicre]

You're being fecesious(sp), and sarcastic.


Are you judgeing me? That does not sound like the reply of a Christian.
Does the Bible say somewhere that we must not judge?


That's not what we're saying, and you know it. What we're saying is, we DO NOT intentionally sin, with the idea we can ask forgivness afer. It doesn't work that way."

What kind of sin is not intentional? Speak the truth.

Are there any examples in the Bible of sin that was not intentional?

[ReiBicre]

All sin is disrespectful.
We are all sinners as Christians if I understand what is being said.

[ReiBicre]

You are presupposing sin and presupposing forgiveness of that sin. That attitude gets you nowhere in bringing you into a right relationship with God and seriously damages your relationship with your neighbor, specifically the sister in question. You will not only disrupt your relationship with God, but hers as well. Why would you want to do that?

From what has been said we can presuppose the forgiveness of sin by faith in Jesus. We believe Jesus will forgive us. Is that not right?

We Christians do not want to sin but we do don't we?

Are we not thankful for the bountiful forgiveness?

If I have sex with a sister it is no different from any other sin, right?

[eldermike]

Ok, I understand what you are all saying.
As long as I remember to ask forgiveness for my sins I will not lose eternal life if I have sex with the girls in the church.

odd this is, no one said anything like this.

[CrazyforYeshua]

Ok, I understand what you are all saying.
As long as I remember to ask forgiveness for my sins I will not lose eternal life if I have sex with the girls in the church.

I'm not judging anybody, reading that answer, it looks sarcastic to me.
Intentional sin is just that, when we do something we know is against God and His Word, thinking He will forgive us when we ask. Like I said, it doesn't work that way.

[PearlOfGreatPrice]

Do you want absolution or forgiveness?

Yes, we all sin. Yes, we are under Grace and forgiveness. But with forgiveness comes RESPONSIBILITY. Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery, AND told her not to put herself in that position again.

The point of forgiveness is to free you from sin. It is not a permission slip to hurt other people freely in the way you are suggesting you want to do with the sisters in the church. (And yes, you will be hurting them and yourself).

If you had a daughter, would you want a man with your attitude approaching her in such a manner?

[ReiBicre]

Intentional sin is just that, when we do something we know is against God and His Word, thinking He will forgive us when we ask. Like I said, it doesn't work that way.


Is there such thing as an unintentional sin?

Speak the truth and if you have a Bible verse to support your word please let me find it.
I'll look it up right away.

[ReiBicre]

Do you want absolution or forgiveness?

Yes, we all sin. Yes, we are under Grace and forgiveness. But with forgiveness comes RESPONSIBILITY. Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery, AND told her not to put herself in that position again.

The point of forgiveness is to free you from sin. It is not a permission slip to hurt other people freely in the way you are suggesting you want to do with the sisters in the church. (And yes, you will be hurting them and yourself).

If you had a daughter, would you want a man with your attitude approaching her in such a manner?


Do we not receive absolution through faith in Jesus?
Yes, I agree with you. We are made free from the guilt of sin through faith in Jesus.
I agree all sin is hurtful but we all do it don't we?
Or are you saying that is not correct?

[Dondi]

From what has been said we can presuppose the forgiveness of sin by faith in Jesus. We believe Jesus will forgive us. Is that not right?

We Christians do not want to sin but we do don't we?

Are we not thankful for the bountiful forgiveness?

If I have sex with a sister it is no different from any other sin, right?

The important point to remember here is that there is two things happeneing within the life of a Christian. One is that God justifies the believer in Christ based on the work Christ did on the Cross. In God's eyes, the righteous requirement of the Law was fulfilled when Christ died on the Cross.

But the other thing is that God is in the process of sanctifying us to conform us into the image of Christ. As we grow in the Lord, we discover certain things revealed in the Holy Spirit's conviction that are wrong. It is a learning process as we mature. As each sin is revealed, we are to repent or turn from that sin so that our sanctification can continue.

For example, God may reveal to me that gambling is wrong. Why? Because gambling results in wasteful spending and can become addictive. What one is trying to do is gain fast riches by taking chances. But God would rather me use what He has given me and use it wisey as a good steward. Now I might not have realized this before, but the Holy Spirit convicts my heart about this, so I repent from gambling. I don't engage in it anymore. And by odediance to God, I've come to be blessed and secure financially by doing things His way. now that I've repented of that sin, God will deal with other areas in my life. And the sanctification continues. He is purging me of things that do not glorify Him.

But when I first became a Christian, there were already things that I knew were wrong from His Word and repented of these things without the need of the holy Spirit's conviction because it was already stated in His Word as being wrong. Do you see the difference?

But now if I don't take heed of the things in the Word that I knew was wrong, and flagrantly committed that sin, a sense of condemnation will come over me and will just wreck my relationship with God. Even in asking for forgiveness, there is still the consequences of my actions that remain.

Lets me give you an illustration. A marriage is like a crystal glass. A man and a woman regard that crsytal as valuable and pleasant to look at. But if a man commits adultery, that crystal is broken, the marriage is disrupted. Even if the pieces of the crystal were to be glued back together, there will still be cracks that remain. Even though the wife has forgiven her husband, there is still a lack of trust on the part of the woman because she cannot be sure her husband will not commit adultery again. The pain from that distrust is still painful, for both parties, and will probably remain there for rest of their lives.

Moral: Don't break the glass.

[PearlOfGreatPrice]

Do we not receive absolution through faith in Jesus?
Yes, I agree with you. We are made free from the guilt of sin through faith in Jesus.
I agree all sin is hurtful but we all do it don't we?
Or are you saying that is not correct?

That is correct. The point you appear to be missing is that through that same faith in Jesus you are able to stop commiting the same sin.

If you do something wrong, you ask for forgiveness, you recieve forgiveness. And then you strive not to commit the same sin again.

Yes we all make other mistakes, commit other sins - and then we seek forgiveness through faith in Christ and continue to die to the sins one at a time.

And as I said earlier, if you are struggling to control your urges - He will help you do this. The woman at the well (John 7) was told not commit the same sin again. We are dying to the flesh and living in Christ.

Blessings

[ReiBicre]

Moral: Don't break the glass.

I agree with your views.
We should try not to break the glass but we all do don't we.
I'm glad that we can can forgiveness even after we break the glass. God can repair anything.
I agree with you that we suffer as a result of sin.
Having sex with sisters in the Church is a sin like all others.

[mightywarrior77]

So if I have sex with a sister in the church and ask forgiveness I will still be safe?
yes, but that is what we call premeditated sin!

[ReiBicre]

yes, but that is what we call premeditated sin!

We all premeditate sin don't we?

All the sins we do as Christians we know we shouldn't do.

Jesus still forgives us. I think we are all saying the same thing in different ways.

This is unity.

[Dylan_Chica]

people who try to make themselves look "cool" and "provoking" by talking about sex in every thread seem desperate and insecure. just my two cents.

[ReiBicre]

people who try to make themselves look "cool" and "provoking" by talking about sex in every thread seem desperate and insecure. just my two cents.

Yes, you are correct.
All Christians who sin are desparate and insecure.
Sex is a problem for us Christians just like any other sin.
The Brothers and Sisters here agree that when we sin we must ask forgiveness and forgivness will be granted.
Do you have a sex problem too?

[Dondi]

We all premeditate sin don't we?

All the sins we do as Christians we know we shouldn't do.

Jesus still forgives us. I think we are all saying the same thing in different ways.

This is unity.


I think for the most part, yes, we know sins we shouldn't do. But like I said, we are being santified and God will reveal those things to us as we grow. Somethings are not as apparent as others, like gambling. I know Christians who believe that playing the lottery is ok, but is this still not a form of gambling? Aren't we still trying to find secular wyas to get rich quick? But maybe God hasn't dealt with them yet, for perhaps there are other more pressing matters that God is dealing with in their hearts. We are at varying levels of growth. But as we study His Word and heed His Spirit, we will develop conviction and get a more sense of right and wrong.

But as far as having sex with a sister in Christ, that is a definite and obvious no-no, so why entertain the thought? But if you are having problems with lusting after you sisters-in-Christ, then you already are sinning by committing adultery in your heart. Because you are not viewing you sisters as Christians, but objects for your own desires. If you are having problems in this area, then I suggest you seek pastoral counseling.

[ReiBicre]

But as far as having sex with a sister in Christ, that is a definite and obvious no-no, so why entertain the thought? But if you are having problems with lusting after you sisters-in-Christ, then you already are sinning by committing adultery in your heart. Because you are not viewing you sisters as Christians, but objects for your own desires. If you are having problems in this area, then I suggest you seek pastoral counseling.

Yes, Gambling may be your weakness but Jesus forgives you if you confess.
Telling lies or some say 'white' lies are the weakness of other Christians. I like having sex with sisters in the Church. Many sisters are sexually frustrated and it is a welcome release. The most important thing is that we all realise that all sin must be confessed and Jesus will forgive us. All sin is the same, I think we all agree on this.

[Dondi]

Yes, Gambling may be your weakness but Jesus forgives you if you confess.
Telling lies or some say 'white' lies are the weakness of other Christians. I like having sex with sisters in the Church. Many sisters are sexually frustrated and it is a welcome release. The most important thing is that we all realise that all sin must be confessed and Jesus will forgive us. All sin is the same, I think we all agree on this.

Gambling is no longer my weakness, because it has been broken by the power of God through the Holy Spirit.

There is no sin that can't be broken.

You, my friend, are a slave to your sin, if you keep committing it over and over. God wants us to have victory over sin, not wallow in it like pigs.

What kind of church are you in anyway when all the sisters are flocking to you for "release"? Don't you know that you are feeding off the sin and the thing will continue to control you? Lusts feeds upon lust. You are playing to your carnal mind, which the Bible says is death. Death to your spirit which is united to God. Death to any meaningful relations you might have with your fellow Christians. You aren't doing a service to you sisters when you aid them in their release. you are killing their spirit.

[Prophetable]

Hi All :)

I'd like to make some points:


Saints aren't just forgiven, they are cleansed from their sins.

Assertions that all christians still sin every day simply isn't true. If Jesus could walk without sin, so can we.
He was tempted in every way, without sin.

I think a lot of christians think they sinned, when they didn't, they we're simply tempted.

All have sinned and Fall short of the glory of God.

However, through the power of Jesus Christ we can walk Holy, without sin. Have sinned is past tense.


Some people misinterpret

1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive outselves and the truth is not in us.

This does not mean all christians still sin. It means that no one can say they have no sin. There is a difference.


One thing is for certain. If you sleep with sisters in the church you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

[ReiBicre]

Gambling is no longer my weakness, because it has been broken by the power of God through the Holy Spirit.

There is no sin that can't be broken.

You, my friend, are a slave to your sin, if you keep committing it over and over. God wants us to have victory over sin, not wallow in it like pigs.

What kind of church are you in anyway when all the sisters are flocking to you for "release"? Don't you know that you are feeding off the sin and the thing will continue to control you? Lusts feeds upon lust. You are playing to your carnal mind, which the Bible says is death. Death to your spirit which is united to God. Death to any meaningful relations you might have with your fellow Christians. You aren't doing a service to you sisters when you aid them in their release. you are killing their spirit.

Praise God!
You overcame your sin of Gambling.
I agree with you that there is no sin that can't be broken.
I believe you may go on to overcome the other sins in your life.

There is no Christian Church I know of where all the sisters flock to have sex with Brothers. Christians have Bible studies together and sometimes the lust of the flesh overcomes them or sometimes a Brother goes to repair something at a Sisters home and things happen, I know you understand.


God wants us to have the victory like you say but we are all sinners. Nobody will condemn a Sister for occasional weakness. We must ask forgiveness in Jesus name. Meaningful relations means we forgive one another, yes?

[ReiBicre]

One thing is for certain. If you sleep with sisters in the church you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Yes, I agree IF I do not confess my sins to Jesus.

Any sin can stop a Christian from entering the Kingdon of Heaven if it is not confessed.

This is what we all agreed earlier in the discussion.
Do you agree?

[Prophetable]

Yes, I agree IF I do not confess my sins to Jesus.

Any sin can stop a Christian from entering the Kingdon of Heaven if it is not confessed.

This is what we all agreed earlier in the discussion.
Do you agree?



If we confess with an attitude of repentance (ie; a hatred of the sin with a determination not to do it again) we will be cleansed from our sin and forgiven.

Repentance must accompany confession, or it is not valid.

[CrazyforYeshua]

Yes, Gambling may be your weakness but Jesus forgives you if you confess.
Telling lies or some say 'white' lies are the weakness of other Christians. I like having sex with sisters in the Church. Many sisters are sexually frustrated and it is a welcome release. The most important thing is that we all realise that all sin must be confessed and Jesus will forgive us. All sin is the same, I think we all agree on this.

No, we don't agree with this. If you continually sin, or what is known as a habitual sin, and think you can do it over and over and ask for forgivness, and it will be granted, you are wrong.

[ReiBicre]

If we confess with an attitude of repentance (ie; a hatred of the sin with a determination not to do it again) we will be cleansed from our sin and forgiven.

Repentance must accompany confession, or it is not valid.

I agree.
We are saying the same thing.
This is edification and encouragement in faith.

[Dondi]

Praise God!
You overcame your sin of Gambling.
I agree with you that there is no sin that can't be broken.
I believe you may go on to overcome the other sins in your life.

There is no Christian Church I know of where all the sisters flock to have sex with Brothers. Christians have Bible studies together and sometimes the lust of the flesh overcomes them or sometimes a Brother goes to repair something at a Sisters home and things happen, I know you understand.


God wants us to have the victory like you say but we are all sinners. Nobody will condemn a Sister for occasional weakness. We must ask forgiveness in Jesus name. Meaningful relations means we forgive one another, yes?

Your making it sound as if as Christians we cannot have control over our lusts. You make it sound as if Bible studies would turn into some kind of Christian Orgy. Or that we can't overcome our lust whenever we are near a member of the opposite sex. We don't HAVE to sin, ya know. We need to abstain from the appearance of evil and avoid situations that might be compromising.

You really need to read Romans 8. Read what Paul writes:

"For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit." - Romans 8:5

"Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." - Romans 8:12-14

And Galatians 5:

"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would." - Galatians 5:16-17

We need to be led by the Spirit. When we do so we will be mindful of the things of the spirit and not the things of the flesh.

[ReiBicre]

We need to be led by the Spirit. When we do so we will be mindful of the things of the spirit and not the things of the flesh.


Yes, we all agree.
Christians still sin even if they are born again.
Sex, Gambling, Lies can all be sins.
Can you say that you are without sin?

As Christians we all try to avoid situations that tempt us to sin. But we fail sometimes. When we fail we ask Jesus to forgive us and get back on the path.

Sex can be a sin just like any other sin.
Let us all be more loving and forgiving.

If I have sex with a sister when her husband is at work it is something that happens it is the weakness of the flesh.

Are you denying the power of Jesus to forgive sins?

[Dondi]

Yes, we all agree.
Christians still sin even if they are born again.
Sex, Gambling, Lies can all be sins.
Can you say that you are without sin?

As Christians we all try to avoid situations that tempt us to sin. But we fail sometimes. When we fail we ask Jesus to forgive us and get back on the path.

Sex can be a sin just like any other sin.
Let us all be more loving and forgiving.

If I have sex with a sister when her husband is at work it is something that happens it is the weakness of the flesh.

Are you denying the power of Jesus to forgive sins?

Ok. Yes, Jesus does forgive sins. But He also said to the the adulteress, "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."(John 8:11)

So how are you going to respond to Jesus?

[ReiBicre]

Ok. Yes, Jesus does forgive sins. But He also said to the the adulteress, "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."(John 8:11)

So how are you going to respond to Jesus?

We can only try our best.
I may still have sex with Sisters in the Church due to weakness of the flesh but I can have forgiveness.

Have you responded to Jesus?

[NateBlack]

To repent is to turn around, go a different way, to stop doing what you're doing...

Asking for forgiveness is great... repentance is better.

Will sin keep us out of heaven?

If so, heaven would be empty.

[Dondi]

We can only try our best.
I may still have sex with Sisters in the Church due to weakness of the flesh but I can have forgiveness.

Have you responded to Jesus?

Have you responded to Jesus? well, yes, I don't go around seeking sisters in the church who are weak in the flesh that I might have sex with them. I have gone and sinned no more. How about you?

You don't have to be weak in the flesh. The question is do you want to remain weak in the flesh? Or do you want to be strong in the Spirit?

[ReiBicre]

You don't have to be weak in the flesh. The question is do you want to remain weak in the flesh? Or do you want to be strong in the Spirit?


WOW! Let me get his clear.

Are you saying you no longer sin?

Are you saying you no longer do anything that requires you to ask Jesus for forgiveness?

[IJW]

Do True Christians still Sin?
Yes, but you always have a choise.

[IJW]

Ok, I understand what you are all saying.
As long as I remember to ask forgiveness for my sins I will not lose eternal life if I have sex with the girls in the church.
True repentance is more than lip service, it is a condition of the heart. If I repent with my mouth, but not in my heart I've acomplished nothing. If I say that I will sin intentionaly because God will forgive me, then my conscience has been seered. Conviction comes through the Holy Spirit, and leads to repentence. Though sometimes we harden our heart and don't listen.

[CrazyforYeshua]

WOW! Let me get his clear.

Are you saying you no longer sin?

Are you saying you no longer do anything that requires you to ask Jesus for forgiveness?

You can call me judgmental if you want to, but what I perceive is you are trying to justify what you do by saying all you have to do is ask forgivness every time you do it. That is wrong. We are to strive to be like Yeshua, and live by His teaching, and His example. He says go and sin no more. If we continue to live in sin, and are not striving to be like Him, we are not true to Him. We are serving our flesh, not God.

[ReiBicre]

You can call me judgmental if you want to, but what I perceive is you are trying to justify what you do by saying all you have to do is ask forgivness every time you do it. That is wrong.

All you have to do is ask JESUS forgiveness.
Are you saying their is something wrong with that?

[JulySheMustFly]

We will sin. While we are forgiven we are not perfected while still on earth in our flesh. We should strive to be like Christ as much as possilbe but we will fail. If a Christian continues to choose sinful things over Christ-like action and think they are forgiven then they may not be fully understanding what it means to be a follower of Christ. We should be asking for forgiveness when we sin but we should not seek out a sin because we can ask for forgiveness.

[ReiBicre]

True repentance is more than lip service, it is a condition of the heart. If I repent with my mouth, but not in my heart I've acomplished nothing. If I say that I will sin intentionaly because God will forgive me, then my conscience has been seered. Conviction comes through the Holy Spirit, and leads to repentence. Though sometimes we harden our heart and don't listen.


AMEN !

I like secret sex with Sisters in the Church but the Holy Spirit reminds it's wrong and I repent afterwards.

This is the power of Jesus in the Christian life.

[Dondi]

WOW! Let me get his clear.

Are you saying you no longer sin?

I'm having a better time staying out of sin than I had in the past.

Are you saying you no longer do anything that requires you to ask Jesus for forgiveness?

God is still in the process of sanctifying me. There are other things that God is dealing with me now. I haven't reached perfection yet, it is a life long process. The point is that I feel I'm going forward in my Christian life, not backsliding into sins that God is dealing with me. I'm not even saying that I couldn't backslide. But I'm beleiving God for my continued sanctification. In the moments that I do fail God, I ask for forgiveness, I repent and continue to go forward. I don't give up and let myself sink further in the sin.

[ReiBicre]

God is still in the process of sanctifying me. There are other things that God is dealing with me now. I haven't reached perfection yet, it is a life long process. The point is that I feel I'm going forward in my Christian life, not backsliding into sins that God is dealing with me. I'm not even saying that I couldn't backslide. But I'm beleiving God for my continued sanctification. In the moments that I do fail God, I ask for forgiveness, I repent and continue to go forward. I don't give up and let myself sink further in the sin.

AMEN !

Do you find the Sisters in your Church sexy?

[IJW]

AMEN !

I like secret sex with Sisters in the Church but the Holy Spirit reminds it's wrong and I repent afterwards.

This is the power of Jesus in the Christian life.
There is a difference between sin and iniquity. If you sin and repent and make an effort to not continue in that particular sin, that is one thing. If you continue in that particular sin over and over and over and over then it is iniquity. Jesus took care of both sin and iniquity, and gave us the power through him to overcome both. If you sin repent and move on. If you become caught up in iniquity then seek help and acountability. I get the impression that you are asking out of anger or you are trying to make some kind of joke at our expense, or mabey you just like to argue. This is probably a conversation that you should be having with God not us.