sin and grace and eating

[gtsecc]

Is there anyone who has missed the connection between the act of eating in original sin, and the act of eating in the Eucharist?

[Colabomb]

Is there anyone who has missed the connection between the act of eating in original sin, and the act of eating in the Eucharist?
Nice parallel, no I had not noticed it till now. Thanks.

[higgs2]

Is there anyone who has missed the connection between the act of eating in original sin, and the act of eating in the Eucharist?
Yes.

[karen freeinchristman]

Yes.
:thumbsup: good answer, higgs!


(Oh, but you can't just answer 'yes'!) ;)

[gtsecc]

I am afraid my experience growing up in the Church was a little different. I realize not everyone had Anglican Nuns teaching them the faith, and walking around the school in their habits.

[karen freeinchristman]

I am afraid my experience growing up in the Church was a little different. I realize not everyone had Anglican Nuns teaching them the faith, and walking around the school in their habits.sounds like you grew up in a convent.

[higgs2]

[QUOTE=karen freeinchristman
(Oh, but you can't just answer 'yes'!) ;)[/QUOTE]

Oh yes I can, I learned it from an expert :D

[gtsecc]

“Man is what he eats.” With this statement the German material philosopher Feuerbach thought he had put an end to all “idealistic” speculations about Human nature. In fact, however, he was expressing, without knowing it, the most religious idea of man. For long before Feurbach the same definition of man was given in the Bible. In the Biblical story of creation man is presented, first of all, as a hungry being, and the whole world as his food. Second only to the direction to propagate and have dominion over the earth, according to the author of the first chapter of genesis, is God’s instruction to men to eat of the earth: behold have given you every herb bearing seed…and every tree, which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat…” man must eat in order to live; he must take the world into his body and transform it into himself, into flesh and blood. He is indeed that which he eats, and the whole world is presented as one all-embracing banquet table for man. And this image of the banquet remains, throughout the Bible, the central image of life. It is the image of life at its creation and also the image of life at its end and fulfillment:”…that you eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom.”

- Schmemann

[karen freeinchristman]

“Man is what he eats.” With this statement the German material philosopher Feuerbach thought he had put an end to all “idealistic” speculations about Human nature. In fact, however, he was expressing, without knowing it, the most religious idea of man. For long before Feurbach the same definition of man was given in the Bible. In the Biblical story of creation man is presented, first of all, as a hungry being, and the whole world as his food. Second only to the direction to propagate and have dominion over the earth, according to the author of the first chapter of genesis, is God’s instruction to men to eat of the earth: behold have given you every herb bearing seed…and every tree, which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat…” man must eat in order to live; he must take the world into his body and transform it into himself, into flesh and blood. He is indeed that which he eats, and the whole world is presented as one all-embracing banquet table for man. And this image of the banquet remains, throughout the Bible, the central image of life. It is the image of life at its creation and also the image of life at its end and fulfillment:”…that you eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom.”

- Schmemann

Hmmm... no wonder humans are so obsessed with food!

[gtsecc]

Chrsitians too!

[higgs2]

“Man is what he eats.” With this statement the German material philosopher Feuerbach thought he had put an end to all “idealistic” speculations about Human nature. In fact, however, he was expressing, without knowing it, the most religious idea of man. For long before Feurbach the same definition of man was given in the Bible. In the Biblical story of creation man is presented, first of all, as a hungry being, and the whole world as his food. Second only to the direction to propagate and have dominion over the earth, according to the author of the first chapter of genesis, is God’s instruction to men to eat of the earth: behold have given you every herb bearing seed…and every tree, which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat…” man must eat in order to live; he must take the world into his body and transform it into himself, into flesh and blood. He is indeed that which he eats, and the whole world is presented as one all-embracing banquet table for man. And this image of the banquet remains, throughout the Bible, the central image of life. It is the image of life at its creation and also the image of life at its end and fulfillment:”…that you eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom.”

- Schmemann

But what about Jesus saying it's not what goes into our mouths but what comes out of them that defiles us? That doesn't sound like "you are what you eat".

[artrx]

Is there anyone who has missed the connection between the act of eating in original sin, and the act of eating in the Eucharist?

“Man is what he eats.” With this statement the German material philosopher Feuerbach thought he had put an end to all “idealistic” speculations about Human nature. In fact, however, he was expressing, without knowing it, the most religious idea of man. For long before Feurbach the same definition of man was given in the Bible. In the Biblical story of creation man is presented, first of all, as a hungry being, and the whole world as his food. Second only to the direction to propagate and have dominion over the earth, according to the author of the first chapter of genesis, is God’s instruction to men to eat of the earth: behold have given you every herb bearing seed…and every tree, which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat…” man must eat in order to live; he must take the world into his body and transform it into himself, into flesh and blood. He is indeed that which he eats, and the whole world is presented as one all-embracing banquet table for man. And this image of the banquet remains, throughout the Bible, the central image of life. It is the image of life at its creation and also the image of life at its end and fulfillment:”…that you eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom.”

- Schmemann

...food for thought...;) Seriously.:)

[gtsecc]

But what about Jesus saying it's not what goes into our mouths but what comes out of them that defiles us? That doesn't sound like "you are what you eat".
Good point. What book/chapeter/verse is that? I'll ask someone smarter about that and post back.

[SirTimothy]

Matthew 15:10-11 (And specially for Pamela from my NEB): He called the crowd and said to them, 'Listen to me, and understand this: a man is not defiled by what goes into his mouth, by by what comes out of it.'

However looking at context (as we must) we find this is following on from Pharasitical criticism of Christ and his followers not following the exact letter of the law in their handwashing. So what Christ is saying is that how and what we eat does not show who we are as people, it is rather how we respond to that. How that applies to the Eucharist is another question...

Timothy

[artrx]

I think Timothy is right. They are 2 very different metaphors/ in different contexts.

[romaneagle13]

So in other words....Eat unleavened bread and not apples that grow on trees with snakes on them.

[gtsecc]

So in other words....Eat unleavened bread and not apples that grow on trees with snakes on them.

I am not sure what you mean.
The guy who wrote that celebrates the Eucharist with leaven bread.