HAIR cutting of a man

[DrUmEr/NeRd]

:) Id like to know what yall think about hair cutting for men.:clap:

[MattyJames]

Can you explain a little more in detail.

[visionary]

to cut or not to cut, that is the question...

[DrUmEr/NeRd]

i just wunt to know if a man should cutt hi HAIR or how

[DrUmEr/NeRd]

?

[visionary]

unless you have taken a nazarene vow, it is totally up to you on how you want to wear your hair.

[somechic06]

well what about the beard Leviticus 19:27

[MattyJames]

well what about the beard Leviticus 19:27

Yes it is a much debated subject. Actually was reading about it today in the "Messiah" magazine. The writers conclusion was that scissors and electric razors are seen as acceptable but blades are not??? I think this is an Ortherdox viewpoint...please correct me if I am wrong.

In 2 Samuel 10 we read about Davids servents being shamefully treated by the syrians where they shaved off one half of their beards. David then meets with them and tells his servants to tarry at Jericho "Untill your beards be grown, and then return." If these men hadn't of trimmed their beards then it would have taken ages before the one would be fully "Regrown".

There is also the case in 2 Samuel 19 where one of the sons of Saul hadn't "Trimmed his beard...".

IMHO I feel there is insufficient evidence to say otherwise but I think that the verses if not specific enough.

MJ

[Mordechai18]

In 2 Samuel 10 we read about Davids servents being shamefully treated by the syrians where they shaved off one half of their beards. David then meets with them and tells his servants to tarry at Jericho "Untill your beards be grown, and then return." If these men hadn't of trimmed their beards then it would have taken ages before the one would be fully "Regrown".

You're reading a bit into the verse that isn't there. David didn't tell the men to tarry until both halves of their beards were the same length; he just told them to wait until they had beards on both halves of their faces. That could happen within a couple of weeks...

[BrEnDiNo99]

my hair is really long :) ha ha

[Torah]

Men should not dress like a woman, and a Woman should not dress as a man.
I do believe this includes hair. “A woman glory is her hair”. Why would a woman
Cut her glory short?. She shouldn’t, she should have long hair. Thus a man should
Not have long hair.

[Edit] scripture says: "Men should not dress like a woman, and a Woman should not dress as a man." also “A woman glory is her hair”. not man but WOMAN.

[DrUmEr/NeRd]

thanks torah

[Mordechai18]

Men should not dress like a woman, and a Woman should not dress as a man.
I do believe this includes hair. “A woman glory is her hair”. Why would a woman
Cut her glory short?. She shouldn’t, she should have long hair. Thus a man should
Not have long hair.

[Edit] scripture says: "Men should not dress like a woman, and a Woman should not dress as a man." also “A woman glory is her hair”. not man but WOMAN.

You're assuming something which is absent from the text. The fact that the text says that "a woman's glory is her hair" does not necessarily imply that a man cannot have long hair. In fact, Proverbs 20:29 tells us that an old man's grey hair is "his splendor." By your reasoning, a man should not cut his splendor short.

Having long hair does not equal dressing like a woman. Otherwise, the Nazirites (Numbers 6:5) would have benn considered effeminate, and we know G-d would not like that.
Sccripture may prohibit long hair on men elsewhere, but not via this verse.

2 Samuel 14:26 tells of Absalom only cutting his hair when it became "too heavy for him."
Ezekiel 44:20 says that the priests should not let their hair grow long. If no men were supposed to let their hair grow long, why would the priests need to ber specifically told to do what they were forbidden to do anyway?


Not until 1 Corinthians 11:14 do we find Paul telling us that "nature" teaches us that long hair is dishonorable for men. He doesn't say "scripture" or "tradition," but nature. Why would that be? Perhaps it's a cultural change in the region, especially with Paul being a citizen.

[somechic06]

ok I know this is off the subjet a bit but what about head covering for MEN. As a woman I keep my head coverd and I dont know why a man sould not do the same and I thank that Sha'ul's writings are twisted weather by him self or by the translators over time

[Torah]

“You're assuming something which is absent from the text. The fact that the text says that "a woman's glory is her hair" does not necessarily imply that a man cannot have long hair. In fact, Proverbs 20:29 tells us that an old man's grey hair is "his splendor." By your reasoning, a man should not cut his splendor short.”

I must disagree with your assuming that assuming something which is absent from the text does not make it so. Example: From Gen 1:1 to 4: 17 there is no mention of other woman but Adam’s wife Eve until Gen 4: 17 when “Cain lay with his wife.” One must assume that other woman had to come from someplace. “


As for Proverbs 20:29 tells us that an old man's grey hair is "his splendor." By your reasoning, a man should not cut his splendor short.”

This is an incorrect Assumption on your part. Because it is safe to assume that it would be wrong for old man to dye his grey hair. Why would an old man want to cover over his splendor that would have been attained by a righteous life. As it says in:Proverbs 16:31 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=16&verse=31&version=31&context=verse) Gray hair is a crown of splendor; it is attained by a righteous life.



“but nature. Why would that be? Perhaps it's a cultural change in the region, especially with Paul being a citizen.”

If we allow a society to govern the natural order of things then we will be in a decline to a culture that is in conflict with G-ds natural order of things. Because G-ds ways are not man’s ways. This especially applies to Rome.


“Having long hair does not equal dressing like a woman.”

Unless your talking about a cross-dress or transvestite to witch goes against the very nature of things. Thus, Having long hair does equal to dressing like a woman. And we should not even have the appearance of sin and this is in "scripture".

1 Corinthians 11:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=11&verse=14&version=31&context=verse)
Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him,
Yes long hair is a disgrace to man.
&
1 Corinthians 11:15 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=11&verse=15&version=31&context=verse)
but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory, For long hair is given to her as a covering.
and Long hair to a woman is her glory.

A man should not have long hair for it is a disgrace to him and a woman should have long hair because it is her glory.

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Mod Note

This thread is asking Messianics about men cutting hair. Please remember that non-Messianics cannot debate in this forum. Messianic members should not encourage them to do so.

Shalom! Carry on.

[Mordechai18]

:sorry: Sorry - I keep forgetting. I love the discussion here.
I'll refrain and apologize again.

b'Shalom.

[Torah]

"The Jews are a nervous people. Nineteen centuries of Christian love have taken a toll." :thumbsup: right on bro!

[visionary]

Why is the picture of Jesus with long hair?

[Torah]

with Blond hair & blue eyes?

[visionary]

Yeah that one.... Even the Passion of the Christ had Him depicted as long haired. In fact, the only pic they have of Yeshua without long hair is the one with Him looking like a cross between a black and an ape with black curly hair.... Did not have the destinctive "jewish" look either....

[Torah]

Because they were trying to make him look like European.

[visionary]

From science and computers, a new face of Jesus
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/25/face.jesus/index.html

So which pic do you think best refects the pic of Yeshua?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcfa.htm

[stone]

that last link, the 3rd over to the right is close. I've seen him in visions twice, and he doesn't look anything like what you have posted.

[stone]

One of the blessings throughout scripture, is good looking daughters and good looking and handsome boys, *looks in mirror*, lol He is a handsome... hmmm, can't say man... I'll just say, son of man. Of course he is handsome. -you guys think i'm scoreing some xtra points with him calling him handsome?- lol i think so.

of course, he doesn't look anything like me. *but i don't have to look like him to be handsome* ;)

you should keep in mind that he is.

[Torah]

Long hair is in your prospective. This is why I say, Woman did not cut her hair short.
It was down there back to her but or longer. But most of the time they wore it up in a bun.
A man’s hair was shoulder length or shorter. Not down there back like a woman.
1 Corinthians 11:15 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=11&verse=15&version=31&context=verse)
but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory, for long hair is given to her as a covering.
So! Long hair to a woman is her glory. I have seen painting of Bible woman with hair as I describe. But living in a liberal Society as we do I have seen woman cut there glory over there ears, and were a 3 peace suit. And I have walked up on a man that I thought was a woman with his hair down to his but. And these were believers.
In my opinion A woman’s glory should be long, a man should not have long hair or dye his Gray hair for it is a crown of splendor; it is attained by a righteous life. But in our Society woman will continue to cut her hair short, men will push the limit to how long he can grow it.

[Torah]

This is the one I picked.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/jesusface.jpg

He looks like a normal person. And scripture says someplace there was nothing about his looks that would draw us to him.

[visionary]

This is the one I picked.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/jesusface.jpg

He looks like a normal person. And scripture says someplace there was nothing about his looks that would draw us to him.I wish that the pic in this post showed up.

[Torah]

I wish that the pic in this post showed up.

It was the first guy, the one on the left. I wish I could post pictures. I have a bunch someone gave me of my family and myself. I
Have been trying for two weeks now and they just will not post. Unless I make them very small. Oil-well I’ll keep trying.
Like the small picture in the top right corner of my page, with the girl holding Torah and people dancing around her at Simcha Torah.

[stone]

i shouldn't say ugly, but that is furthest from the correct.

[Andyman_1970]

I have short spikey hair and am clean shaven.....................and my wifes hair is short as well.

Anyway, just thought I'd chime in...............

[stone]

I have short hair, bout overdue for a cut too, prolly gonna get a top fade, 0 on the sides, 3 on the top. :thumbsup:

[BarbB]

Just got my long hair cut short and it's soooo easy now. Ha ha ha.

And I like long/longer hair on men - a holdover from the 1960-1970's! :D

btw, the second link won't fly now. :(

We must remember that Isaiah said that our savior was not handsome. But there is nothing more beautiful than a handsome Jewish man! :yum:

[stone]

so Isaiah is next,

[Amora]

The writers conclusion was that scissors and electric razors are seen as acceptable but blades are not??? I think this is an Ortherdox viewpoint...please correct me if I am wrong.
MJ

this is indeed the Orthodox view. Though most ultra-orthodox do not even use electric ones, saying that not only are you not sposed to shave, u are sposed to have a beard...

[stone]

i don't like to shave, i have a beard now, but i shave often. it grows so fast.

[Wags]

I wouldn't date my hubby until he grew a beard, and I won't let him shave it off either!! :D

[DrUmEr/NeRd]

thanks wags

[DrUmEr/NeRd]

ill take mor ansers