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copticorthodoxy
4th April 2006, 03:56 PM
What you think about the False Gospel of Judas , i found this article about it
http://ansa.it/main/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2006-04-03_1039276.html

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Ancient manuscript offers alternative view of 'betrayer' (ANSA) - Rome, April 3 - A fourth-century papyrus manuscript containing the long-lost 'Gospel of Judas' will be presented in Washington on Thursday .

The Gospel of Judas is one of several ancient accounts of Christ's life which were rejected as suspect by the fathers of the early Church and so they did not become part of the Bible .

Vatican officials have denied that the publication this week is part of a rehabilitation of Judas by the Catholic Church .

The document reportedly argues that Judas Iscariot, known to Christians as the man who betrayed Jesus Christ, was an essential part of God's design and, as such, almost a hero .

Without his betrayal, Jesus would not have been crucified and so, the argument goes, God's plan to save mankind from its sins would not have been fulfilled .

The papyrus containing the text of the 'gospel' appeared about 30 years ago on the Egyptian antiquities market. It had last been heard of in AD180, when Saint Irenaeus, a bishop, condemned it as heretical .

It was recently acquired by the Swiss-based Maecenas Foundation for Ancient Art and the U.S.-based National Geographic magazine, who are behind this week's publication .

The text, which has been translated into English, French and German, is written in Coptic, the language used in Egypt when the country converted to Christianity halfway through the third century AD .

The text was the work of an ancient Gnostic sect called the Cainites, which made a habit of giving a positive value to all the negative figures in Christian scriptures .

It is believed to have been originally written in the first or second centuries. The text was later copied onto the papyrus which is to be presented in Washington .

The forthcoming publication has sparked fears among some in the Catholic Church that it could give people wrong ideas about the man who is famous for betraying Jesus Christ .

"Some people will try to hide the truth and give undue importance to a document written in the 2nd century by people in open opposition to the early Christian Church," said a Rome-based theologian who is an expert on ancient texts .

Experts say the manuscript is interesting and important for scholars of Church history but changes nothing in the accepted view of Judas .

Italy's top Catholic writer, Vittorio Messori, noted however that the text does raise interesting questions about the role of Judas in the Christ story .

Interviewed by the Turin daily La Stampa, he noted that a key difference between the Gospel of Judas and the Bible accounts concerns the question of forgiveness .

Messori recalled that in the apocryphal account Judas is forgiven: "He weeps, Jesus forgives him and in order to purify him he sends Judas into the desert to do spiritual exercises." In the New Testament, in the Gospel of Mark, Jesus is quoted as saying: "Woe to that one by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that one not to have been born." After the betrayal, they never meet again and, overcome with remorse, Judas commits suicide. Christ atones for the sins of humanity but never specifically forgives Judas .

Messori said the lack of forgiveness in the Bible account appeared strange in a man who preached forgiveness .

He also noted that Jesus's choice of Judas as a disciple in the first place seemed to show a slip of judgment .

But, as someone who wanted to believe the Gospels were true, he said he was glad of Judas's presence. "If the gospels had been invented, the figure of Judas just wouldn't be there because he's so embarrassing," he said .

Photo: In Leonardo da Vinci's famous painting, The Last Supper, Judas is the figure on the far left .

minasoliman
11th April 2006, 01:19 PM
This is nothing new.

Many scholars unearthed the gospal of Thomas, Mary Magdalene, etc. all of which came from gnostics. We have Church fathers who mentioned these books by name as heretical and fictional, written by Gnostic heretics.

St. Irenaeus of Lyons also writes concerning the Gospel of Judas:

Others again declare that Cain derived his being from the Power above, and acknowledge that Esau, Korah, the Sodomites, and all such persons, are related to themselves. On this account, they add, they have been assailed by the Creator, yet no one of them has suffered injury. For Sophia was in the habit of carrying off that which belonged to her from them to herself. They declare that Judas the traitor was thoroughly acquainted with these things, and that he alone, knowing the truth as no others did, accomplished the mystery of the betrayal; by him all things, both earthly and heavenly, were thus thrown into confusion. They produce a fictitious history of this kind, which they style the Gospel of Judas.

http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-58.htm#P6707_1623941

These "gospels" existed we with confidence can look through the Holy Fathers to show that they also rejected them and we trust in their inspiration of knowing which books were from the Apostles and which were from heretics, like the Coptic and Greek gnostics. St. Athanasius also had to deal with them as well, and he left us a list of what we SHOULD read, and anything outside this list is not to be read.

God bless.

minasoliman
12th April 2006, 11:19 AM
http://www.coptic.org.au/downloads/Q&A%20Linda%20Morris%20SMH%206March%2006.pdf

AngCath
12th April 2006, 02:19 PM
Great posts... I'm always disappointed to see how many Christians get mislead by this junk.

lionroar0
14th April 2006, 01:39 AM
I have to say that one of my pet peeves is presenting such things as the "The Gospel of Judas" and others such books as if they are real Gospels.

Peace

Franze
14th April 2006, 05:45 AM
Gnostic falseness!!!.

Globalnomad
17th April 2006, 06:12 PM
Sorry- double post!

Globalnomad
17th April 2006, 06:12 PM
I have to say that one of my pet peeves is presenting such things as the "The Gospel of Judas" and others such books as if they are real Gospels.

Peace

Actually there's a good reason for that. This document has been mentioned in Chhristian history a number of times, always with this name, the Gospel of Judas. So why change it? The name "Gospel" has been given to all the other accounts related to Jesus's life, whether they made it into to Canon of the Bible or not.

I read the Gospel of Judas online today. The first part caught my imagination - it managed to make me imagine Judas as a privileged person to whom special truths were given, and Jesus as teaching on two levels, a simplistic one for the stupid masses and an elite level for Judas and perhpas a couple of others... Then there is a scary dream by Judas, validated by Christ, describing how wicked the descendants of the Twelve Apostles would be, and how they would lead the Church astray.... But then then document flattens out into a long, confused description of the creation of the world and of humanity, with no sense and no moral meaning behind it, just weird names and symbolism - at that point, the document lost my attention completely. In the end, it's clear that it is just what the Church tells us it was: a false document written by the secretive, elitist Gnostics of the first centuries. It just doesn't reflect the merciful God and the loving Christ whom we know - it is simply implausible. On the other hand, the whole build-up of the material makes perfect sense in the context of a false document that is MEANT to discredit the mainstream Church, and to lure people into believing that they are part of an esoteric, secret elite, superior to the simpletons out there.

Gottservant
11th August 2006, 06:15 AM
I so wish there were more than the four gospels. We see death without the words of Jesus, do we not?

Shawners
15th August 2006, 03:08 PM
I think its amazing..
people who never have read Genesis - Revelation..you know, the "found" books of the Bible..but will devour
the newest "lost" books of the bible , and believe them over the real (verified) books of the bible.Thank God for our early church Fathers and Tradition.
.....In Christ , Shawners

ArnautDaniel
29th August 2006, 09:32 PM
I think its amazing..
people who never have read Genesis - Revelation..you know, the "found" books of the Bible..but will devour
the newest "lost" books of the bible , and believe them over the real (verified) books of the bible.Thank God for our early church Fathers and Tradition.
.....In Christ , Shawners

Well when enough of the churches people experience are corrupt, it is natural to suppose the text they place their authority in is corrupt as well.

The popularity of apocryphal writings is a reflection of a loss of confidence in christian institutions.

Unfortunately too many christian institutions have found themselves on the wrong side of many issues in the public mind (and of course scandals involving well-known evangelists don't help).

This is a call for Christians to be such an example that people would gladly read more orthodox texts.