What about the types of Jews out there?

[Hector Medina]

Greetings,

I know of 3 types: Orthodox,Messianic and Conservative but I don't know very much about them.

Please help.


In God,

Hector

[dignitized]

there are also the Reformed and the Hasidic.

In order of severity from most strict to least they would be listed:

Hasidic - Orthodox - COnservative - Reformed.

Jews as a rule do not accept Messianich Jews as true Jews, which is understandable since most who claim to be Messianic are in fact Gentile.

[dignitized]

prayer4: welp, I do not doubt that there are tons of real Messianic Jews out there, but statistically, more often than not, those who claim to be Messianic Jews usually end up being Gentile Jewish-wnna-be's. he exceptions being in areas with large Jewish populations. There are examples right here in this forum.

[Higher Truth]

I think that statistically about 40% of people attending Messianic Jewish congregations are not Jewish. Most of them, however do not claim to be Jewish, and attend because they enjoy that type of worship.

[Higher Truth]

There is also a group calling themselves Reconstructionists who are mostly philosophical.

[SonWorshipper]

Of the 7000+ in Israel, All are Jewish!

[SonWorshipper]

And there are more being added daily, this is the Lord's will and the Lord's end time working, He is opening the eyes of their heart because the "times of the Gentiles" is coming to a close.

[aggie03]

What are these times of the gentiles that you refer to? I've only heard one other person metion this, as I think you are using it, and he was a preacher that I just happend to hear on television one evening. I didn't however agree with much of what he said in light of scripture.

Basically, I guess before I ask anything else, I want to make sure and clarify what you mean by the "times of the Gentiles".

[SonWorshipper]

 

The times of the Gentiles are what is referred to as the period that we are living in now. The time that the word of God is shared with them; Until the birth of Yeshua the one true God was only known to the Jews and a few Gentiles that lived among them. Their job was to share the truth about this one true God with the world. When Yeshua was here he told his disciples to take the message to the nations so that salvation could be theirs also. Some of the Jews living at that time believed or we today would not have the gospel, but because of the ruling body, the Sanhedrin did not believe or chose not to because it would convict them, then they asked for his death. Because of this Yeshua said their eyes would be closed.

 

In Luke it tells of the times of the Gentiles. That Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Today Jerusalem really doesn't completely belong to it's people. They don't even have possession of the Holiest of all sites, the Temple mount. The gentiles are trampling all over it everyday, claiming it to be theirs when God clearly says it is not. Romans also speaks of why that is:

 

Romans 11 (KJV)
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.


The time of their fullness is coming very soon.

[Noa]

Originally posted by Br. Max
prayer4: welp, I do not doubt that there are tons of real Messianic Jews out there, but statistically, more often than not, those who claim to be Messianic Jews usually end up being Gentile Jewish-wnna-be's. he exceptions being in areas with large Jewish populations. There are examples right here in this forum.

I agree!!! Because of the Jewish-wanna-be´s I don´t dear to call myself a Jew although my mother and her mother and.... etc.... etc... are Jews but lived a Christian/Jewish life. :cry: Because I do not want compare with that kind of Christians, I call myself Hebrew Christian or whatever.

BUT... Christians who really know their place but want to celebrate Shabbath with the Jews, I love love love these kind of people :clap: :clap: :clap:

[dignitized]

Noa: I celebrate the feasts of the OT along side the Feasts of the New. As far as the sabbath goes however, I keep EVERY day Holy - that is seperated unto God. :)

[SonWorshipper]

Ummmm, what are the "New" Feasts?

[dignitized]

son: what are the New Testament feasts? Pascha, Epiphany, All Saints, All Souls, Corpus Christi, Penticost, Ascension, Nativiy, presentation, etc shall I go on with the list :)

[Noa]

Amen

[Matthew9:9]

Secular

Reconstructionist

Reform (not Reformed)

Conservative

Conservadox

Orthodox

Ultra-Orthodox

 

and of course,

Messianic

 

[Noa]

Chassidism

[Matthew9:9]

Originally posted by Pray4Isrel
Hassidic are also known as orthodox

 

Not always true.

The Chasidim are closer to the Haredi, or "ultra-Orthodox."

Many Orthodox Jews are almost completely indistinguishable from secular Jews, except for their kippot, or yarmulkes.

 

[Noa]

Originally posted by Pray4Isrel
Hassidic are also known as orthodox

Nope, there is a big difference between the both of Jewism. for instance: the QBBLH. The regular orthodox Jews do not except this part of the Talmud but the Chassieds do. Another example: Chassidic women wear a wig, an othodox not.

Shalom!

[dignitized]

OH there is a BIG difference between the two. They are about as alike as Roman Catholics and Anglicans . . . .

[NOTso angry-amy]

i find it odd the of all the people that listed types of jews, matthew was the only one who mentioned messianic jews.

i am not trying to be rude, and sorry if i come accross that way, but this is the way that i feel within the culture that i live in. jews dont accept me as being jewish even though it is my birthright and even though i was bat mitzvahed and confirmed in judaism.

christians dont really accept me as being a christian either. i have to be "messianic jew" and can never call myself christian.

i prefer the term "jewish believer" someone else had mentioned what they prefer. this is the way that i battle the way that people have stereotyped messianics, or even christians.

[Talmid HaYarok]

Reading through old threads here and I just wanted to make sure people were aware of the different groups exactly of Jews:

Rabbinic Jews:

Reform

Conservative (Note: Reform and Conservative are two groups on both sides of the atlantic, but the names flip/flop on the groups/theologies they apply to. So an American Reform Jew is a Conservative Jew in Britian)

Orthdox

Ultra-Orthodox (Including Chasidic and Haredi Jews among the Ashkenazi)

Non-Rabbinic Jews:

Karaites. An ancient group of Jews that split off from the modern rabbinic Jews and embraced many traditional teachings of the priests (Sadducees). Don't actually know a lot about them myself.

Falashas/Qu'ara. Two groups of Ethiopian Jews that aren't very different from each other. They are traditional Jews and follow the teachings of the Tanakh, and not the teachings of Rabbi Akiba. The communities in Ethiopia were very close to the Messianic and Christian communities and there was no division or hostility between the different groups.

Semba. South African Jews more recently identified and having ancient roots in Judaism. Its not known how this group of Jews migrated to southern africa in the last couple thousand years, but their practices are Jewish practices and even modern genetics proves that they are Jews.

Natzeri Yehudi (Nazarene Jews - AKA Messianic Jews). I didn't call them Messianic Jews because technically Lubavitcher Jews are messianic but also rabbinic. They follow a more recent rabbi as having been the messiah.

I gave Messianic Jews their own category because they are quite a diverse bunch. Its an old saying that where you find two Jews you'll find three opinions. Its probably even more accurate among Messianic Jews in my opinion. One of the earliest historical splits that still occurs todays is between the Judaizers and the non-Judaizers. Judaizers are Messianic Jews who traditionally held that in order to become a "Christian" (talmid yeshua) one had to be a Jewish practicioner (Proselyte) first. This is much of the debate that you see occuring in the book of Acts, and you see the debate in modern forms today. Then as well as today both groups are Christian with a different individual theology.

To NOTso angry-amy, don't be surprised when the world doesn't accept us. Rather be glad that the world has rejected because we are not of it! I am personally part Jewish from my maternal grandmother, and in general that either makes me not Jewish enough or too Jewish. Personally I do not care (though I do not deny what i am), I am the Lord's and that is all that matters.

Edit: Posted too late at night....

[Talmid HaYarok]

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