question regarding prayer book

[kamikat]

I'm hoping someone else has this prayer book. I couldn't find an on-line link to it. It's published by the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America. It's a small red book, with a cross on the front and says "A Pocket Prayer Book for Orthodox Christians". The morning prayers start with The Trisagion prayers. The mid day and evening prayers says "first say the Trisagion prayers, then the following prayers:". My question is, are the Trisagion prayers everything THROUGH the Our Father? In the morning prayers, nothing else is labeled until the Troparia to the Holy Trinity. Also, after the Our Father comes "for thine is the kingdom...". In church, these part is only said by the priest. When we say the Our Father at home, do we say this part or omit it?
Thanks!

kamikat

[Gnisios]

I'm hoping someone else has this prayer book. I couldn't find an on-line link to it. It's published by the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America. It's a small red book, with a cross on the front and says "A Pocket Prayer Book for Orthodox Christians". The morning prayers start with The Trisagion prayers. The mid day and evening prayers says "first say the Trisagion prayers, then the following prayers:". My question is, are the Trisagion prayers everything THROUGH the Our Father? In the morning prayers, nothing else is labeled until the Troparia to the Holy Trinity. Also, after the Our Father comes "for thine is the kingdom...". In church, these part is only said by the priest. When we say the Our Father at home, do we say this part or omit it?
Thanks!

kamikat

You can say it in home. In Church we are all co-celebrants and the Priest just completes our prayer with those words. In home it's fine to say this part. And that's a good prayer book btw :thumbsup:

[Oblio]

In church, these part is only said by the priest. When we say the Our Father at home, do we say this part or omit it?


The proper way is for the reader (that would be you :) ) to pray
Through the prayers of our Holy Fathers, O Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on us (and save us)

Rdr. Chris

[Oblio]

My question is, are the Trisagion prayers everything THROUGH the Our Father?


Yes.

[eoe]

are the Trisagion prayers everything THROUGH the Our Father?

The trisaigion is:

Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us (3)
Glry beto the Father, and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, Now and ever and unto ages of ages. Amen.

[Oblio]

Through the prayers ... is also said instead of the opening blessing given by the priest.

The Litanies are replaced with Lord Have Mercys and then Glory ...now and ever as follows:

Litany of Peace (In peace let us pray to the Lord ...)

Lord Have Mercy 40 x

Small Litany (Again and again in peace ...)

Lord Have Mercy 3x

Augmented Litany (Let us complete ...)

Lord Have Mercy 12x

[RobNJ]

I'm more partial to my unfotunately-olive-&-rose-oil-infested Jordanville prayer book

[Monica, child of God]

I'm hoping someone else has this prayer book. I couldn't find an on-line link to it. It's published by the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America. It's a small red book, with a cross on the front and says "A Pocket Prayer Book for Orthodox Christians". The morning prayers start with The Trisagion prayers. The mid day and evening prayers says "first say the Trisagion prayers, then the following prayers:". My question is, are the Trisagion prayers everything THROUGH the Our Father? In the morning prayers, nothing else is labeled until the Troparia to the Holy Trinity. Also, after the Our Father comes "for thine is the kingdom...". In church, these part is only said by the priest. When we say the Our Father at home, do we say this part or omit it?
Thanks!

kamikat

Trisagion Prayers are everything through the Our Father. eoe is right that the Trisagion (the Thrice Holy) is just "Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us" but when refered to as the Trisagion Prayers it encompases everything through the Our Father. You can see this most clearly in praying the Hours where the Trisagion Prayers (said twice at least in each service) sort of form the structure for the Psalms and Hymns and other prayers.

WRT the end of the Our Father. I have one horologion that instructs the reader to say it and one that has it as Rdr. Chris/Oblio states. I think there is variation (surprise, surprise!) within practice. What ever you choose is probably fine.

M.

[rusmeister]

I got a good short prayer list from the OCA website, which they have since split up, so you can't print them all from one page anymore.
Does anyone know a good prayerbook available online? (Remember, I'm stuck over here in Russia and can't casually order and pay.)
Another thing that's driven me nuts is the multiplicity of translations into English. This is particularly a problem with Psalm 51/50. I generally go with the OCA text, but would sure appreciate standardization (I was brought up with King James, but have no problem with other texts accepted by the Church).

[RobNJ]

I got a good short prayer list from the OCA website, which they have since split up, so you can't print them all from one page anymore.
Does anyone know a good prayerbook available online? (Remember, I'm stuck over here in Russia and can't casually order and pay.)
Another thing that's driven me nuts is the multiplicity of translations into English. This is particularly a problem with Psalm 51/50. I generally go with the OCA text, but would sure appreciate standardization (I was brought up with King James, but have no problem with other texts accepted by the Church).

speaking of the Jordanville prayer book:

http://www.myriobiblos.gr/texts/english/prayerbook/main.htm

[Oblio]

I generally go with the OCA text, but would sure appreciate standardization (I was brought up with King James, but have no problem with other texts accepted by the Church).


As would I. It is especially hard if you are a reader and are reading a translation that differs slightly from what you are used to praying. A big difference is not bad, but it is the small changes that trip you up. I often find my self 'relapsing' into another translation and trying to recover by interpolating back to the Liturgical text. :sigh:

[kamikat]

A big difference is not bad, but it is the small changes that trip you up.

I have this problem with the Creed. While I can now omit "and the Son", it's the other differences that trip me up.

kamikat

[Oblio]

I have this problem with the Creed. While I can now omit "and the Son", it's the other differences that trip me up.

kamikat


When I go to the Greek parish, I have the same problem during the English recital. Not just the tresspass/debtor variation, but in grammar and wording.

[rusmeister]

Another one is the basic prayer to the Theotokos. In Russian it's standard: Bogoroditsa Deva raduis'ya...
In English at home I just do "Hail Mary..."

[rusmeister]

speaking of the Jordanville prayer book:

http://www.myriobiblos.gr/texts/english/prayerbook/main.htm
Thank you! (Save to favorites)

[Nickolai]

I use the Old-Believer Prayer book. Since it's split Slavonic and english. Plus, it has lots of akathists and canons in it. But one of the prayer books I started with was the Antiochian red one. That and the Svit. and out of the two I prefered the red one.

[Fotina]

I'm hoping someone else has this prayer book. I couldn't find an on-line link to it. It's published by the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America. It's a small red book, with a cross on the front and says "A Pocket Prayer Book for Orthodox Christians". The morning prayers start with The Trisagion prayers. The mid day and evening prayers says "first say the Trisagion prayers, then the following prayers:". My question is, are the Trisagion prayers everything THROUGH the Our Father? In the morning prayers, nothing else is labeled until the Troparia to the Holy Trinity. Also, after the Our Father comes "for thine is the kingdom...". In church, these part is only said by the priest. When we say the Our Father at home, do we say this part or omit it?
Thanks!

kamikat

found here: http://www.antiochian.org/orthodox-prayers