B/A Bible class?

[ZiSunka]

We have a lot of pastors here and several people in Bible college or seminary.

Would it be out of the question to have ourselves a little Bible class where the pastors/students teach and we learn?

Maybe pick a topic or a passage and study it?

[newbeliever02072005]

I think thats a great idea. Sign me up for the first class!!!

:wave:

[JPPT1974]

That sounds really good
Thanks my friends
God bless!!

[mesue]

We have a lot of pastors here and several people in Bible college or seminary.

Would it be out of the question to have ourselves a little Bible class where the pastors/students teach and we learn?

Maybe pick a topic or a passage and study it?
We could do that with and with out pastors/students. There are some here with no formal education that I have learned a lot from.

[DeaconDean]

You know, I once traveled 60 miles to go to Bible study. It would be great to do it on-line in here. The only problem that I can foresee is that may, repeat, may be slight difference of opinions on scripture. But, I'm not beyond learning something new from somebody else. One thing I know, when it comes to the Bible, you can be a Christian for 1000 years and still learn something new every time you read through the Bible. I'm in.

[mlqurgw]

How would you keep it from turning into a debate? Especially since there are both Calvininistic and Arminian Baptists here. Not that I am trying to discourage such a thing but was just wondering. I would certainly be willing to participate.

[arunma]

How would you keep it from turning into a debate? Especially since there are both Calvininistic and Arminian Baptists here. Not that I am trying to discourage such a thing but was just wondering. I would certainly be willing to participate.

Perhaps the educated individuals could simply provide us with their respective points of view, and not attack other doctrines. I certainly would not mind learning more about the Arminian view of predestination.

[mlqurgw]

Perhaps the educated individuals could simply provide us with their respective points of view, and not attack other doctrines. I certainly would not mind learning more about the Arminian view of predestination.Perhaps it could be structured in such a way that someone could ask a question and it could be answered by all without further discussion. But that would be difficult as many times answers bring up more questions.

[ZiSunka]

I think we'd have to appoint a leader to moderate and call an end to all debates that pop up. Plus, we would have to all act like the adults we are and choose to "esteem the other better than ourselves."

[ZiSunka]

What should we study for our first time?

[mesue]

I think we'd have to appoint a leader to moderate and call an end to all debates that pop up. Plus, we would have to all act like the adults we are and choose to "esteem the other better than ourselves."
I could be an unofficial mod. I have some experience ;)

[ZiSunka]

Works for me. I know you to be a fair person interested in the peace and well-being of this forum. :)

[JPPT1974]

I think that would be awesome indeed
Thanks for being peaceful and sweet
:angel:

[mesue]

:blush: aww, you guys are so cool :hug:

[JPPT1974]

It is very cool indeed my friend!:thumbsup:

[ZiSunka]

What should we study?

How about the crucifixion from Jesus's triumphal entry into Jerusalem to the resurrection?

[JPPT1974]

Yeah but it would be nice to have a bible study!

[newbeliever02072005]

What should we study?

How about the crucifixion from Jesus's triumphal entry into Jerusalem to the resurrection?

When do we start? :)

[ZiSunka]

Any time everyone is ready. :)

[newbeliever02072005]

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[mlqurgw]

Mat 21:1 And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples,
Mat 21:2 Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.
Mat 21:3 And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them.
Mat 21:4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,
Mat 21:5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.
Mat 21:6 And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them,
Mat 21:7 And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon.
Mat 21:8 And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way.
Mat 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
Mat 21:10 And when he was come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this?
Mat 21:11 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.


Mar 11:1 And when they came nigh to Jerusalem, unto Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount of Olives, he sendeth forth two of his disciples,
Mar 11:2 And saith unto them, Go your way into the village over against you: and as soon as ye be entered into it, ye shall find a colt tied, whereon never man sat; loose him, and bring him.
Mar 11:3 And if any man say unto you, Why do ye this? say ye that the Lord hath need of him; and straightway he will send him hither.
Mar 11:4 And they went their way, and found the colt tied by the door without in a place where two ways met; and they loose him.
Mar 11:5 And certain of them that stood there said unto them, What do ye, loosing the colt?
Mar 11:6 And they said unto them even as Jesus had commanded: and they let them go.
Mar 11:7 And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on him; and he sat upon him.
Mar 11:8 And many spread their garments in the way: and others cut down branches off the trees, and strawed them in the way.
Mar 11:9 And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord:
Mar 11:10 Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.
Mar 11:11 And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the twelve.


Luk 19:29 And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,
Luk 19:30 Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.
Luk 19:31 And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.
Luk 19:32 And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.
Luk 19:33 And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?
Luk 19:34 And they said, The Lord hath need of him.
Luk 19:35 And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.
Luk 19:36 And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way.
Luk 19:37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
Luk 19:38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
Luk 19:39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
Luk 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Joh 12:12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
Joh 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Joh 12:14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,
Joh 12:15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.
Joh 12:16 These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him.
Joh 12:17 The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.
Joh 12:18 For this cause the people also met him, for that they heard that he had done this miracle.
Joh 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.

Here are the 4 accounts of His triunphal entry. Comment and questions?

[newbeliever02072005]

Mat 21:1 And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples,
Mat 21:2 Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.
Mat 21:3 And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them.
Mat 21:4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,
Mat 21:5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.
Mat 21:6 And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them,
Mat 21:7 And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon.
Mat 21:8 And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way.
Mat 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
Mat 21:10 And when he was come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this?
Mat 21:11 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.


in vs 1: Who were the 2 disciples?
in vs 5: Who is the daughter of Sion?




Mar 11:1 And when they came nigh to Jerusalem, unto Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount of Olives, he sendeth forth two of his disciples,
Mar 11:2 And saith unto them, Go your way into the village over against you: and as soon as ye be entered into it, ye shall find a colt tied, whereon never man sat; loose him, and bring him.
Mar 11:3 And if any man say unto you, Why do ye this? say ye that the Lord hath need of him; and straightway he will send him hither.
Mar 11:4 And they went their way, and found the colt tied by the door without in a place where two ways met; and they loose him.
Mar 11:5 And certain of them that stood there said unto them, What do ye, loosing the colt?
Mar 11:6 And they said unto them even as Jesus had commanded: and they let them go.
Mar 11:7 And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on him; and he sat upon him.
Mar 11:8 And many spread their garments in the way: and others cut down branches off the trees, and strawed them in the way.
Mar 11:9 And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord:
Mar 11:10 Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.
Mar 11:11 And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the twelve.


1) Does a colt symbolize anything special here, besides fulfilling the prophecies?

2) Why wasn't the daughter of Sion mentioned here or in Luke?




Luk 19:29 And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,
Luk 19:30 Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.
Luk 19:31 And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.
Luk 19:32 And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.
Luk 19:33 And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?
Luk 19:34 And they said, The Lord hath need of him.
Luk 19:35 And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.
Luk 19:36 And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way.
Luk 19:37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
Luk 19:38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
Luk 19:39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
Luk 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.


Just a comment here: I noticed that Luke is a bit more descriptive. For example: Here he specifically says "colt" where as in the other passages its refered as "him"



Joh 12:12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
Joh 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Joh 12:14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,
Joh 12:15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.
Joh 12:16 These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him.
Joh 12:17 The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.
Joh 12:18 For this cause the people also met him, for that they heard that he had done this miracle.
Joh 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.

Here are the 4 accounts of His triunphal entry. Comment and questions?

in vs 1 it mentions a feast, what was that feast for?


I think thats about all my questions for now.

[eldermike]

Zech 9:9
Here you will find the colt and the donkey. And a hint about Jesus humble servant nature.

[mlqurgw]

Here are some general observations concerning the trumphal entry of Christ into Jerusalem.

His coming into Jerusalem in this manner was a fulfillment of prophecy concerning the Messiah and a clear declaration that He was a King. The shouts of Hosanna (Lord save us) by the people show us that they expected Him to come and set up His kingdom at that time. You may remember that the charge against Him was that He claimed to be a king. Of course he is King but His kingdom wasn't and isn't of this world. John 18:36 The Jews expected the Messiah to come and rescue them from the oppression of Rome and even tried to take Him by force and make Him a king. John 6:15 I think it very telling that these same people who cried Hosanna just days later cried crucify Him, crucify Him.
How quickly they turned on Him when he didn't meet their expectations.

The triumphal entry of Christ may also have been the straw that broke the camels back, so to speak, for the leaders of the Jews in that day. They feared greatly that they would loose their power because of Him and when the mulitudes welcomed Him in this way it more than likely convinced them to even lie to do away with Him. Of course that is exactly what they did.

Application:
I often wonder would I have been among those who cried Hosanna and later cried crucify Him? Do I expect from Him something that is not His intention. How do I react when my expectations are disappointed? Am I so jealous of my own rights and authority that I will not allow the thought of Him as King?

[mlqurgw]

in vs 1: Who were the 2 disciples? We are not told.
in vs 5: Who is the daughter of Sion? It is a reference to the people of God.



1) Does a colt symbolize anything special here, besides fulfilling the prophecies? It would only be speculation to try and make it mean something. There are those who have done so but I am not convinced that it is proper in this case.

2) Why wasn't the daughter of Sion mentioned here or in Luke? I don't know.



Just a comment here: I noticed that Luke is a bit more descriptive. For example: Here he specifically says "colt" where as in the other passages its refered as "him" Luke was a doctor and it is evident that he often paid attention to detail more than the other writers.




in vs 1 it mentions a feast, what was that feast for? The Passover.


I think thats about all my questions for now. I hope I was able to help.

[eldermike]

Some people have speculated that a colt would have never been broke for riding. But it's just an observation.

[JPPT1974]

I thought that the donkey represented humility and humbleness.