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sawitch
18th February 2006, 04:41 PM
I've read a lot in these posts about heaven, but what's your understanding of heaven and hell.
What are they?
Where are they?
This is NOT a question about whos' going there please.

prophecystudent
18th February 2006, 08:18 PM
I've read a lot in these posts about heaven, but what's your understanding of heaven and hell.
What are they?
Where are they?
This is NOT a question about whos' going there please.

There are three distinct heavens. One is the region of the atmosphere around the earth. Another is the astronomical heaven (Universe) and the third is where God is.

Working from memory, not specific citations, hell was emptied when Christ was resurrected. At least the portion of it that contained the "saved". The belief is that hell, or hades, was in two parts separated by a great chasm. The godly were on one side, the ungodly on the other. Literal acceptance of the scripture would seem to indicate that it was below the earth's surface, as it refers to going down into it.

The "hell" that many people seem to believe in is actually the eternal lake of burning sulphur. This is where the devil and his supporting fallen angels will be sent, along with all unbelievers when they come up for final judgement.

Hope this helps.

Fred

RichardT
19th February 2006, 02:04 AM
I've read a lot in these posts about heaven, but what's your understanding of heaven and hell.
What are they?
Where are they?
This is NOT a question about whos' going there please.

I believe that there are 3 heavens , 1 is atmospheric , 1 is universal , and the last is where God is , outside of the 2 first heavens...

I also believe that hell is in the center of the earth :http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

Randi
19th February 2006, 06:55 PM
These are difficult questions to answer because Heaven and Hell are spiritual places...not physical. All I know is that I want to be with God in Heaven :)

Kahalachan
20th February 2006, 08:42 AM
Well I think both exist outside of our space time continuum since Hell is referred to as being timeless.

Some ethereal plane or dimension of existence probably.

JCChick
20th February 2006, 12:20 PM
I've read a lot in these posts about heaven, but what's your understanding of heaven and hell.
What are they?
Where are they?
This is NOT a question about whos' going there please.
I totally agree with you! these things are so confusing. the way i think of it is i will never know until i get there

HeyHomie
20th February 2006, 03:49 PM
Paradise (http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?addr=&csz=paradise%2C+MI&country=us&new=1&name=&qty=) (or "Heaven" if you prefer) is in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, on Lake Superior.

Hell (http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?addr=&csz=Hell%2C+MI&country=us&new=1&name=&qty=) is also in Michigan, about 340 miles south (appropriately enough) from Paradise.

Hope this helps! :P

qh93536
21st February 2006, 03:01 AM
I've read a lot in these posts about heaven, but what's your understanding of heaven and hell.
What are they?
Where are they?
This is NOT a question about whos' going there please.
Heaven is a planet about 4 light years away from the Earth. Hell is real and lies 30 miles under the surface of the Earth. It is under England, the channel and France.

qh93536
21st February 2006, 03:01 AM
I've read a lot in these posts about heaven, but what's your understanding of heaven and hell.
What are they?
Where are they?
This is NOT a question about whos' going there please.
Duplicate post - Cancel

qh93536
21st February 2006, 03:03 AM
These are difficult questions to answer because Heaven and Hell are spiritual places...not physical. All I know is that I want to be with God in Heaven :)
They are both physical places, inhabited by spiritual beings.

qh93536
21st February 2006, 03:07 AM
There are three distinct heavens. One is the region of the atmosphere around the earth. Another is the astronomical heaven (Universe) and the third is where God is.

Working from memory, not specific citations, hell was emptied when Christ was resurrected. At least the portion of it that contained the "saved". The belief is that hell, or hades, was in two parts separated by a great chasm. The godly were on one side, the ungodly on the other. Literal acceptance of the scripture would seem to indicate that it was below the earth's surface, as it refers to going down into it.

The "hell" that many people seem to believe in is actually the eternal lake of burning sulphur. This is where the devil and his supporting fallen angels will be sent, along with all unbelievers when they come up for final judgement.

Hope this helps.

Fred

The original "Hades" was a firey star, which was in view of Heaven. Those who were condemned there suffered severe emotional and mental despair as they could see Heaven, which is a planet, and the Glory of God, but were deprived of it. After Christ was cricified, Hades was replaced by hell, which is in the Earth, and the punishment is physical as well as emotional pain.

GK
21st February 2006, 03:13 AM
I hope I'm not opening a can of worms with this question, but what is your source for this, qh93536? It's not anything I've found in scripture or heard taught by any Baptist church (noticing your faith icon).

brotherChristian
23rd February 2006, 03:01 AM
We've had this question here a few times. This is my standard answer:

Hmm... :scratch: I don't think I really want to know what Hell is like, but the worst part has to be the separation from God's presence. Now, this concept is open to debate: is Hell a place in existence where God is not? Is God there also, but does not acknowledge the damned? If one never accepted God to begin with, are they made completely aware of the truth and then damned forever? If there is no existence without God, and Hell is devoid of God’s presence, do the damned merely cease to exist? All that is academic, because it’s gotta’ suck either way.

As for heaven, I’m sure the limited perceptions we humans have in this life can’t even begin to describe it. I like the idea that we die, and 'snap' we are suddenly given the meaning to life, the universe and everything. Then again, it might be fun to start off fresh in a new glorious world with new perceptions and start experiencing life like a newborn again. But rest assured, all will be revealed in God’s time and in His way.

Basically, "I don't know." But with a lot more words.;)

ChristianM0Mof2
23rd February 2006, 02:58 PM
I actually just read that HELL is a actually place. The middle of the Earth.
There were a lot of scriptures that implied that. I will have to find out where that blog was with that info.

Think about it.. God made the Earth.. The middle of the earth is HOT.. God will destroy the Earth when the New Jerasalum will desend from the sky.
Which HELL and the Satan/demons will be destroyed forever.

ChristianM0Mof2
23rd February 2006, 03:19 PM
okay, I found that info...

In Luke 16, Jesus Christ gives a frightening picture of hell:

22 . . . the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. (Luke 16:22-28)



THE BIBLE GIVES THE LOCATION OF HELL

When Jesus Christ died on the cross, He descended into hell. In Acts 2, Peter is speaking, verse 31, " . . . seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in HELL"

When Jesus Christ died His soul went into hell.

And in Matthew 12:40, Jesus Christ says:

"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly: so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH. "
The Bible is clear — Hell is inside the earth!

Ephesians 4:9, says of Jesus: "Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH."

On page 85 of Beyond Death’s Door, Dr. Rawlings writes patients who described hell said, ". . . this place seems to be UNDERGROUND or WITHIN THE EARTH in some way."
Scientist and Bible teacher, Henry Morris also agrees the Bible plainly teaches that hell is in this earth:

"So far as we can tell from Scripture, the present hell, is somewhere in the heart of the earth itself. It is also called 'the pit' (Isa. 14:9, 15: Ezek. 32:18-21) and 'the abyss' (Rev. 9:2). . .
The writers certainly themselves believed hell to be real and geographically 'beneath' the earth's surface. . .
To say this is not scientific is to assume science knows much more about the earth's interior than is actually the case. The great 'pit' [hell] would only need to be about 100 miles or less in diameter to contain, with much room to spare, all the forty billion or so people who have ever lived, assuming their 'spiritual' bodies are the same size as their physical bodies."
(Henry M. Morris, The Bible Has the Answer, p. 220)
The Birmingham News, April 10, 1987 had an article entitled "Earth's Center Hotter Than Sun's Surface, Scientists Say". The article stated that scientists have recently discovered, "THE EARTH'S INNER CORE HAS A TEMPERATURE OF OVER 12,000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT!"

Have you seen pictures of a volcano erupting, spewing a lake of fire from inside the earth — consuming everything within miles just from the heat? When Mount St. Helens erupted in May 18, 1980, it was described by reporters, "when HELL surfaced upon the earth." The book, Volcanoes, Earth's Awakening (p.91) describes an erupting volcano as "descent into HELL".

Thousands of years ago, the Bible described a place called hell in the heart of the earth that matches exactly what science is discovering.


I found all this info on this website.. http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

GK
23rd February 2006, 05:06 PM
The question is whether that is a literal statement of location or a figurative statement that it's a hot, yucky place. IOW, is the purpose and intent of that scripture to give a location or to paint a picture?

ChristianM0Mof2
23rd February 2006, 05:10 PM
The question is whether that is a literal statement of location or a figurative statement that it's a hot, yucky place. IOW, is the purpose and intent of that scripture to give a location or to paint a picture?

It actually tells us it is a place..real.. The Bible is black and white...tells the truth..