The Great Falling Away: NEXT.

[ronmathison]

The Great Falling Away: NEXT.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(From the Greek Interlinear)

2 Thessalonians 2:3

...Let not anyone you decieve,

by NO WAY, because

UNLESS COMES THE FALLING

AWAY FIRST, AND is revealed

the man of sin, the son of perdition,

he opposing...


V.6 ... And now the thing

restraining, you know...

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes. I know.

'The thing' restraining 'the man of sin'

(and then Christ's return) , is

The Great Falling Away.


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2 Thessalonians 2:6

...for to be revealed him, in

the of him time, the for mystery

already works of lawlessness,

only THAT (Greek: Ho ; Strongs # 3588)

restraining now, until out of (the) midst

it comes. And then will be revealed the lawless

one, whom the Lord will consume, by the Spirit

of the mouth of Him.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regarding the above:

'THAT' , which restrains the man of sin (or anti-Christ),

is The Great Falling Away. Christians will be

MURDERED world-wide, and THEN

his kingdom will be 'ripe' , for him to appear.

[MbiaJc]

Yes. I know.

'The thing' restraining 'the man of sin'

(and then Christ's return) , is

The Great Falling Away.


Hi: If I may give my two cents worth.

Not exactly: The Great Falling Away (abandoment of truth) must take place before the man of sin can be revealed.

[RichardT]

You know , it would actually be very cool if we weren`t raptured before the second comming... I would love to die for the sake of Christ !

[MbiaJc]

You know , it would actually be very cool if we weren`t raptured before the second comming... I would love to die for the sake of Christ !

Well then, I got good news for you. The second resurrection doesn't happen till after the great tribulation. Study Matt. 24

[11MAN]

You know , it would actually be very cool if we weren`t raptured before the second comming... I would love to die for the sake of Christ !
Hi Richard, it alarms me to think that you think christians will not go through the tribulation I would enjoy speaking with you about this view of pre tribulation rapture

[Jesusmyfriend]

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[ronmathison]

Hi: If I may give my two cents worth.

Not exactly: The Great Falling Away (abandoment of truth) must take place before the man of sin can be revealed.

Yes.

However, ALL of the above must happen before Christ's Second Coming.

[lgintrnj]

Read Mark 13, Matt 24 and Luke 21.

[ronmathison]

Read Mark 13, Matt 24 and Luke 21.

Better still, (please) read ALL of the N.T.

[Evangelica]

Better still, (please) read ALL of the N.T.
It seems to me that Rev repeats the happenings of chap 1-3 in the same way that Gen repeats man`s beginings.
I think we may go thro much more than we think before His first coming never mind His second.

We could be as far into Rev as chap 12 right now.
It`s my belief that chap 1-3 are repeated in chp 4-12

The second coming will be with all believers

[MbiaJc]

Actually most of you are in that great falling away. Falling away has to do with the original teaching Jesus gave and what Jesus said to believe. If you do not believe in miracles you have fallen away. If you believe you are saved by your good works you are fallen away and the list goes on. But the good news is you can return to what Jesus taught and just take his word for it by his wonderful grace.

The great (abandonment of truth) is not one or two individuals falling away; it is entire denominations, abandoning sound doctrine. Which we see a great deal of that these days. The Catholic Church is the only one I know, that hasn't compromised their doctrine for the popular social fad.

[MbiaJc]

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[Wisdom's Child]

The great (abandonment of truth) is not one or two individuals falling away; it is entire denominations, abandoning sound doctrine. Which we see a great deal of that these days. The Catholic Church is the only one I know, that hasn't compromised their doctrine for the popular social fad.

You forget the Eastern Orthodox my friend.
The Romans were the first to fall away when they separated themselves from the rest of the Apostolic Patriarchs and declared themselves to be the "Most High."
The Great Schism was the first of many such errors.

And the Eastern Orthodox are not exempt, even though they have been most diligent in their attempts at keeping the teachings pure they too have fallen in some ways into error, as must we all in order for prophesy to be fullfilled.

We cannot be as the Blind following the Blind, we must seek God's Kingdom in only one fashion, by following the True Light which is Christ Jesus. If we follow man or any of man's ways it can only lead to utter confusion. Seek for yourself the Kingdom of God, for it is still within your grasp and ability to do so. Don't count upon others to do it for you.

[MbiaJc]

You forget the Eastern Orthodox my friend.
The Romans were the first to fall away when they separated themselves from the rest of the Apostolic Patriarchs and declared themselves to be the "Most High."
The Great Schism was the first of many such errors.

And the Eastern Orthodox are not exempt, even though they have been most diligent in their attempts at keeping the teachings pure they too have fallen in some ways into error, as must we all in order for prophesy to be fullfilled.

We cannot be as the Blind following the Blind, we must seek God's Kingdom in only one fashion, by following the True Light which is Christ Jesus. If we follow man or any of man's ways it can only lead to utter confusion. Seek for yourself the Kingdom of God, for it is still within your grasp and ability to do so. Don't count upon others to do it for you.

I don't know anything about the Eastern Orthodox?

[Lynn73]

The great (abandonment of truth) is not one or two individuals falling away; it is entire denominations, abandoning sound doctrine. Which we see a great deal of that these days. The Catholic Church is the only one I know, that hasn't compromised their doctrine for the popular social fad.

Just because they haven't compromised their doctrine doesn't mean that their doctrine is the truth.

[WAB]

Hi: If I may give my two cents worth.

Not exactly: The Great Falling Away (abandoment of truth) must take place before the man of sin can be revealed.

And... it is well under way....

[ronmathison]

Please don't SLAM other denominations on this thread!


The Great Falling Away,

IS SPEAKING ABOUT CHRISTIANS BEING MURDERED FOR THEIR FAITH!

(and the non-Christians falling away from their 'pretending-clubs' )


GOOD GOLLY GOSH,

IF IT HAPPENED TO THE JEWISH-PEOPLE,

DO'NT YOU POSSIBLY THINK IT COULD HAPPEN TO CHRISTIANS?


(don't yall? Hyuk?)


Please EVERYONE, stop listening to the 'EAR TICKLERS'.

Please get your info from GOD,

and NOT from 'mankind's wisdom' , which is NO wisdom, at all.


"Brother (earthly siblings) will betray brother (spiritual siblings) to DEATH"

-Jesus.

[Evangelica]

That would also show how important it is to act out your faith within your home and to your family.
Great battles of faith are fought within our homes and even moreso within ourselves.

[MbiaJc]

Just because they haven't compromised their doctrine doesn't mean that their doctrine is the truth.

My two cents: Its as close as any of the others have been.

[linssue55]

2Thes...........Chapter 2


Exegesis................

1-2~~Now we make an urgent request of you, brethren,
under the authority of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ {the doctrine of the rapture} and by our gathering {as a guard of Honor} together around Him.

2~~
that you not receive disturbance from the ultimate source of your mind or ('blow your cork', be so nervous you could scream}:neither by spirit {mislead by demons}, nor by word {false teachers},
nor by letter as from us {forged epistles}, as that the day of the Lord {2nd advent at the END of the Tribulation} is just about here.

3-4~~ Let no one deceive you thoroughly {prohibitive subjunctive} according to THEIR norms or standards . . .
for that day shall not come except if there first comes THE departure {removal of the Church then the Tribulation will begin} and the man of lawlessness {erroneously often called 'sin'} shall then begin to receive revealing . . .the son of perdition {destruction, ruin} . . .

4~~
who opposes and exhaults himself above all that is designated god {he will combine military and 'religion' and he will head it} or all that is the object of worship ..
with the result that he is caused to sit in the temple of God {pseudo-copying of Jesus sitting at the right hand of the Father - this man will put an image of the man of sin in the temple attempting to glorify him and through him, Satan} and as so proclaims himself {as God}.

[linssue55]

From my personal teachings..........


DOCTRINE OF THE RAPTURE


A. Definition.
1. While the Rapture is defined as the act of being transported, it is also defined as the state of being rapt or carried out of oneself. However, these definitions do not apply here. Rapture is used here in a technical theological sense for the resurrection of the royal family of God.

2. Since the Church or royal family of God is the first spiritual building to be completed, it is resurrected after our Lord. It is the second phase of the first resurrection following the resurrection of Christ.

3. Christ is resurrected, ascended, and seated at the right hand of the Father as part of the strategic victory of the angelic conflict.

4. This is known as our Lord’s battlefield royalty. This is His only royalty with no family. Therefore, God interrupted the Jewish Age with the Church Age to call out and provide a royal family of God.

5. Once the royal family of God is completed, the Church is resurrected as the body of Christ to become the bride of Christ.

6. The Church Age is that period of human history when the royal family of God is being formed on earth, Eph 1:22-23, 2:16, 4:4-5; Col 1:18, 24, 2:19.

7. When the royal family of God is completed, then the Rapture occurs, 1 Thes 4:16-18; 1 Cor 15:51-58.

8. During the conclusion of the Jewish Age, the bride is prepared in heaven by receiving a resurrection body exactly like that of the Lord. Then comes the Big Genuflex and acknowledgment of Christ. Then comes the Judgment Seat of Christ, when all Church Age believers are evaluated and rewarded, 2 Cor 5:10.

B. The Promise of the Rapture, Jn 14:1-3. “If I go to prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself.”

C. The Imminency of the Rapture.

1. Imminency means impending, or threatening to occur immediately. It does not mean immediately.

2. Rapture is used technically for the fact that no prophecy has to be fulfilled before the Rapture occurs. The Rapture will occur when the last member of the body of Christ is saved.

3. The Church Age is the only dispensation in which there are historical trends and no prophecy. The Church Age began with an event prophesied—the baptism of the Spirit. Our Lord prophesied this in the Upper Room Discourse and just before He ascended. The Church Age terminates with the Rapture, which was also prophesied. There is no prophecy between these two events. This is the dispensation of the mystery doctrine.

4. No prophecy between the baptism of the Spirit and the Rapture means that the Rapture is imminent. It could occur at any time; no one knows the day or the hour.

5. The resurrection of the Church, like our dying, is completely out of our control. Just as we have no control over the time and manner of our death, so we have no control over the time and manner of the Rapture.

6. The resurrection of the Church is totally beyond our control because resurrection is the Lord’s victory. 1 Cor 15:57, “Thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

7. While the Rapture is imminent, the Second Advent is not. Before the Second Advent occurs, there are many prophecies which must occur, e.g., the Rapture, the Tribulation, the Judgment Seat of Christ, Rev 6-19.

8. The Rapture could have occurred at the time of James or Paul because no prophecy had to be fulfilled before the resurrection occurs.

9. Distortion of the imminency of the Rapture results in instability and foolish explanation or speculation about the time of the Rapture; hence, James gives us an admonition in Jam 5:7-8. “Therefore, brethren, have patience until the coming of the Lord [Rapture]. The farmer waits with anticipation for the valuable production of the soil, constantly being patient until it has received the early and the latter rains. Have patience! Furthermore, all of you become stabilized in your right lobes because the coming of the Lord [Rapture] has approached with the result that it is drawing nearer and nearer.”

[ronmathison]

B. The Promise of the Rapture, Jn 14:1-3. “If I go to prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself.”



Disagree.

That's NOT the promise of the rapture.

Jesus is telling us of our 'mansions in the afterlife',

so to speak.

(the rapture by the way, occurs AT the Second Coming,

and NOT before.)

Have a nice day.

:)

[MbiaJc]

And... it is well under way....

:amen: :amen: and :amen: :thumbsup: :clap: