men and headcovering

[Annoula]

I understand that Orthodox women that choose to cover their head do this because it helps them become more focused in church and during their prayers.


i would like to see if men would feel the same by covering their head.

i am not asking for what the Church says about the topic, just how a man may experience such a thing.

thanx!

[Michael the Iconographer]

I take off my baseball cap that I normally wear when writing Icons. I was always told when growing up you take your hat off as a sign of respect. I don't know of any man who wears a hat in church, short of the Priest or Bishop.

[Dust and Ashes]

I was always taught that women should wear headcoverings and men should not in reference to 1Cor 11. I guess it's that "rule" growing up in the Bible belt that has me conditioned to remove my hat when praying or entering a Church. I don't know if it's something that no longer has a place (social custom of the time) or if it is something that is observed with a deeper purpose.

[Michael the Iconographer]

I was always taught that women should wear headcoverings and men should not in reference to 1Cor 11. I guess it's that "rule" growing up in the Bible belt that has me conditioned to remove my hat when praying or entering a Church. I don't know if it's something that no longer has a place (social custom of the time) or if it is something that is observed with a deeper purpose.

I did not grow up in the Bible belt, and I was taught the same thing. To wear a hat in church (except the priest's kamilkava and bishop's miter) is considered rude, and disrespectful to God. Notice men also take off their hats when the National Anthem is played.

[eoe]

It would be like wearing a bra or a dress - shameful.
(1 Corinthians 11:1) Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.

(1 Corinthians 11:2) I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.

(1 Corinthians 11:3) But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

(1 Corinthians 11:4) Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head,

(1 Corinthians 11:5) but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head--it is the same as if her head were shaven.

(1 Corinthians 11:6) For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil.

(1 Corinthians 11:7) For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.

(1 Corinthians 11:8) (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man.

(1 Corinthians 11:9) Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.)

(1 Corinthians 11:10) That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels.

(1 Corinthians 11:11) (Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman;

(1 Corinthians 11:12) for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God.)

(1 Corinthians 11:13) Judge for yourselves; is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?

(1 Corinthians 11:14) Does not nature itself teach you that for a man to wear long hair is degrading to him,

(1 Corinthians 11:15) but if a woman has long hair, it is her pride? For her hair is given to her for a covering.

(1 Corinthians 11:16) If any one is disposed to be contentious, we recognize no other practice, nor do the churches of God.

[Dewi Sant]

I agree with the above and the verse was what I would have chosen also.


I was told on Wednesday that the reason why Women wore headcoverings was because prostitutes were well known for not wearing headcoverings.

But that was a bit of a biosed statement because that was from a guy from a Free Methodist church.



At my Orthodox church the women don't wear headcovering but in my opinon I think women should.


I don't see why women should refuse, you can always fold it up and put it in your pocket when you leave church and only wear it for worship and prayer.



besides, women look great in headcoverings.

[Annoula]

interesting responses...

but i think that some of the responses were according to the Bible.

i would like to know if someone who has not been taught what the Bible says, what kind of feeling would he have about covering his head, with a hat for example.

[theoforos]

interesting responses...

but i think that some of the responses were according to the Bible.

i would like to know if someone who has not been taught what the Bible says, what kind of feeling would he have about covering his head, with a hat for example.

Well, IF men were supposed to cover their heads, I think we'd probably feel the same as women. At least it would make one feel that something special is happening when one covers one's head, and if the head covering was something like the women's scarves, it would probably make one more concentrated.

In fact, the Jewish men cover their heads when praying or when they go to the synagogue. Either with a small skull cap 'kippah' or a large prayer shawl 'tallit'. I've also worn a 'kippah' in the synagogue, kind of reversed roles there, gives you a feeling of what it is like for women to cover their heads at church. In the synagogue there's a basket of kippahs at the entrance (just like I heard there are scarves for women in some Orthodox churches).

[Dust and Ashes]

interesting responses...

but i think that some of the responses were according to the Bible.

i would like to know if someone who has not been taught what the Bible says, what kind of feeling would he have about covering his head, with a hat for example.

It wouldn't bother me since I wear a hat most of the time anyway. Got one on right now. :D

[MariaRegina]

I take off my baseball cap that I normally wear when writing Icons. I was always told when growing up you take your hat off as a sign of respect. I don't know of any man who wears a hat in church, short of the Priest or Bishop.

So now we know what an iconographer's hat looks like.

Does it read "Steelers"?:D

[moses916]

I'm not a hat person, so a head covering my infact make me uneasy even when i'm in or not in Church. It'll feel just plain weird and may cause me not to stay focused in Church. :)

[Greg the byzantine]

I'm not a hat person, so a head covering my infact make me uneasy even when i'm in or not in Church. It'll feel just plain weird and may cause me not to stay focused in Church. :)
Yeah I agree, I never wear hats so if I were to put something on my head it would feel really wierd. Not only that, but if I do wear anything on my head I sweat profusely so I would probably be distracted by the beads of sweat rolling down my face.

[moses916]

Yeah I agree, I never wear hats so if I were to put something on my head it would feel really wierd. Not only that, but if I do wear anything on my head I sweat profusely so I would probably be distracted by the beads of sweat rolling down my face.

:wave: LOL don't remind me of the SWEAT!! I remember at baseball practice, those stupid caps we wore in 55 degrees celcius weather back home.... :cry:

[Michael the Iconographer]

So now we know what an iconographer's hat looks like.

Does it read "Steelers"?:D

I have about 4 Steelers Baseball caps, as well as a Pirates and a Penguins one. In the summer, when I am not working or painting I live in baseball caps.

[Dewi Sant]

I don't wear hats but I quite fancy wearing quite a wide brimmed hat, hobo style.

I just love that look, with the long worn jacked etc.

[Akathist]

Is is just something I saw on some T.V. show somewhere or didn't Jewish men (in anceint times) have a prayer shawl that they wore always when praying?

They didn't wear it on their head I don't think, but it might have served a similar purpose of increasing focus that my headcovering does.

[eoe]

Jewish men still wear them

http://www.shizre-kodesh.com/frontpage_dw_tallitot.jpg

Here (http://scheinerman.net/judaism/tallit/) is a discussion on them