Don't swear on the bible.

[ronmathison]

Don't swear on the bible.

The 'ear-ticklers' say

it's o.k. to swear on the bible.


It's NOT o.k. to swear on the bible.


From the Greek Interlinear:


Matthew 5:33:

(Jesus speaking)

Again you heard that it was said to the ancients,

NOT you shall perjure, shall deliver but to the Lord,

the oaths of you. But I say to you,

NOT DO SWEAR AT ALL...

..........

37: let be but the word of you, Yes, yes , No,no.

the And excess of these, out of the evil one is.


From The N.A.S.B:

33"Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.' 34"But I say to you, MAKE NO OATH AT ALL.

...

37"But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no'; ANYTHING BEYOND THESE, is of EVIL.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Swearing on the bible is WRONG.

(one can affirm, you know)



Thoughts anyone?

[Vicissa]

I agree. Swearing on the bible, "swearing to God," "swearing on _______ (fill in the blank with someone or something near and dear to you" shouldn't be done as it's from the devil.

[vincejohn]

I went to court once and gave the affirmation to the judge instead of swearing to the Bible. The other side was confused and irratated why I didnt swear on the Bible. This was none of their business anyway. I won the case and truly believe the Holy Spirit spoke the words in my mouth.

[ronmathison]

I went to court once and gave the affirmation to the judge instead of swearing to the Bible. The other side was confused and irratated why I didnt swear on the Bible. This was none of their business anyway. I won the case and truly believe the Holy Spirit spoke the words in my mouth.

Good for you for NOT swearing on the bible.

If someone asks 'WHY NOT?' , one could say:

'Because Jesus says NOT to.'

Perhaps it would be a good witnessing-opportunity.


Legally speaking, affirming is the same thing.

Spiritually speaking, it isn't.

[vincejohn]

The word of YHWH in Yeshua Jesus name is a two edged sword that will crush and defeat all the oponents of Jesus and His children.

[azzy]

The word of YHWH in Yeshua Jesus name is a two edged sword that will crush and defeat all the oponents of Jesus and His children.

Umm,I dont think Christ came to crush anyone,did he?

Except maybe the serpents head.

He came to seek and to save that which was lost,you sound like a war monger.

Im not trying to insult you either,its just you sound so angry and mean.

[azzy]

The word of YHWH in Yeshua Jesus name is a two edged sword that will crush and defeat all the oponents of Jesus and His children.

And instead of being delited to see the Lord destroy those who rebel against him,we should keep in mind that the same judgment they recieve,is the same judgment we deserved.

We are to have a servant mentality.

[GK]

I have no problem swearing on a bible if asked to do so. To suggest scripture calls that a no-no seems a misunderstanding or miscontextualization of the passage. What we're warned against is a then-common practice similar to today's joke of "crossing our fingers" so as to get out of what we swore to by some tricky technicality. Jesus teaches us to either say yes and do it or say no and not do it. What's important isn't whether our hands are over a bible or nowhere near a bible, but whether we live with integrity.

[lismore]

I went to court once and gave the affirmation to the judge instead of swearing to the Bible. The other side was confused and irratated why I didnt swear on the Bible. This was none of their business anyway. I won the case and truly believe the Holy Spirit spoke the words in my mouth.

Excellent:clap:

[Harlan Norris]

Don't swear on the bible.

The 'ear-ticklers' say

it's o.k. to swear on the bible.


It's NOT o.k. to swear on the bible.


From the Greek Interlinear:


Matthew 5:33:

(Jesus speaking)

Again you heard that it was said to the ancients,

NOT you shall perjure, shall deliver but to the Lord,

the oaths of you. But I say to you,

NOT DO SWEAR AT ALL...

..........

37: let be but the word of you, Yes, yes , No,no.

the And excess of these, out of the evil one is.


From The N.A.S.B:

33"Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.' 34"But I say to you, MAKE NO OATH AT ALL.

...

37"But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no'; ANYTHING BEYOND THESE, is of EVIL.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Swearing on the bible is WRONG.

(one can affirm, you know)



Thoughts anyone?Well, if you are going to testify in court,you will be sworn in.I was recently sworn in to give tesimony,so that I could be guardian of my mother.She has Alzheimers.I'm her care giver.However no Bible was used.I simply swore to tell the truth.Which is what I did.

[vincejohn]

Angry and mean am I .I just have more blood in me which is hot. Luke warm christians will be spat out of Yeshua Jesus's mouth...at least the good Lord is gargling me around His mouth and he finds me interesting ..I pray..I am a captain of an almighty spiritual army here on earth actually I was designated this immense honor in a vision shown to me by an ANGEL. swallow that one if you can.

[GK]

Huh?

[twistedsketch]

Angry and mean am I .I just have more blood in me which is hot. Luke warm christians will be spat out of Yeshua Jesus's mouth...at least the good Lord is gargling me around His mouth and he finds me interesting ..I pray..I am a captain of an almighty spiritual army here on earth actually I was designated this immense honor in a vision shown to me by an ANGEL. swallow that one if you can.
And you reject whole sections of the New Testament.

[AdmirableArmstrong]

In this sense, the word is swear, as in vow, promise, pledge simply to tell the truth. It's simply a judicial tradition to assure all in court that some semblance of honesty was evoked. Taking it to the extremes of pro or con is not warranted. IMHO

[dignitized]

You really need to read the WHOLE bible and to keep things in context. CHrist is speaking about a very SPECIFIC type of swearing - swearing oaths to ADD WEIGHT to what you are saying. Jam 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation. LEST YOU FALL INTO CONDEMNATION. We are held to account for the oaths we swear and we should not swear them LIGHTLY.

[AdmirableArmstrong]

Sware?

[If Not For Grace]

How can one make a vow to God without swearing....?:scratch:

[Lynn73]

I went to court once and gave the affirmation to the judge instead of swearing to the Bible. The other side was confused and irratated why I didnt swear on the Bible. This was none of their business anyway. I won the case and truly believe the Holy Spirit spoke the words in my mouth.

I was wondering about that. If we had to give testimony in court and didn't want to swear on the Bible would we get thrown in jail or something.

[BenAdam]

Now I know why I don't hang out here more often....

[dignitized]

Now I know why I don't hang out here more often....I know EXACTLY how you feel!!

[ronmathison]

I have no problem swearing on a bible if asked to do so. To suggest scripture calls that a no-no seems a misunderstanding or miscontextualization of the passage. What we're warned against is a then-common practice similar to today's joke of "crossing our fingers" so as to get out of what we swore to by some tricky technicality. Jesus teaches us to either say yes and do it or say no and not do it. What's important isn't whether our hands are over a bible or nowhere near a bible, but whether we live with integrity.

One can LEGALLY affirm, instead of swearing.

As can be seen in the O.P. , Jesus said to NOT DO IT AT ALL.

For further clarification, please see the following:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2565069-invented-history-.html

[GK]

I understand what you are saying. I just disagree with it.

[ronmathison]

Well, if you are going to testify in court,you will be sworn in.I was recently sworn in to give tesimony,so that I could be guardian of my mother.She has Alzheimers.I'm her care giver.However no Bible was used.I simply swore to tell the truth.Which is what I did.

One can LEGALLY affirm, instead of swearing.

As can be seen in the O.P. , Jesus said to NOT DO IT AT ALL.

For further clarification, please see the following:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2565...-history-.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t2565069-invented-history-.html)

[ronmathison]

In this sense, the word is swear, as in vow, promise, pledge simply to tell the truth. It's simply a judicial tradition to assure all in court that some semblance of honesty was evoked. Taking it to the extremes of pro or con is not warranted. IMHO

One can LEGALLY affirm, instead of swearing.

As can be seen in the O.P. , Jesus said to NOT DO IT AT ALL.

For further clarification, please see the following:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2565...-history-.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t2565069-invented-history-.html)

[ronmathison]

You really need to read the WHOLE bible and to keep things in context. CHrist is speaking about a very SPECIFIC type of swearing - swearing oaths to ADD WEIGHT to what you are saying. LEST YOU FALL INTO CONDEMNATION. We are held to account for the oaths we swear and we should not swear them LIGHTLY.

One can LEGALLY affirm, instead of swearing.

As can be seen in the O.P. , Jesus said to NOT DO IT AT ALL.

For further clarification, please see the following:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2565...-history-.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t2565069-invented-history-.html)

[dignitized]

One can LEGALLY affirm, instead of swearing.

As can be seen in the O.P. , Jesus said to NOT DO IT AT ALL.


It does? where is the AT ALL part in the verse?

[ronmathison]

How can one make a vow to God without swearing....?:scratch:




in other words DON'T MAKE VOWS. Marriage Vows (for example) were ALLOWED in the old-covenant, but NOT commanded.

Jesus however says: DON'T DO IT AT ALL.

So DON'T.

For further clarification, please see the following:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2565...-history-.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t2565069-invented-history-.html)

[ronmathison]

I was wondering about that. If we had to give testimony in court and didn't want to swear on the Bible would we get thrown in jail or something.

One can LEGALLY affirm, instead of swearing.

As can be seen in the O.P. , Jesus said to NOT DO IT AT ALL.

For further clarification, please see the following:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2565...-history-.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t2565069-invented-history-.html)

[ronmathison]

I understand what you are saying. I just disagree with it.

Why?

[ronmathison]

It does? where is the AT ALL part in the verse?


From the Greek Interlinear:


Matthew 5:33:

(Jesus speaking)

Again you heard that it was said to the ancients,

NOT you shall perjure, shall deliver but to the Lord,

the oaths of you. But I say to you,

NOT DO SWEAR

--AT ALL...----

..........

37: let be but the word of you, Yes, yes , No,no.

the And excess of these, out of the evil one is.


From The N.A.S.B:

33"Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.' 34"But I say to you,

MAKE NO OATH

-------AT ALL.--------

...

37"But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no'; ANYTHING BEYOND THESE, is of EVIL.

-------------------------------------

(What part of 'NO', don't you understand?)

[jad123]

To "swear to tell the whole truth" is nothing more than a civil oath. God Himslef made an oath in Hebrews:

Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath
Heb 7:21 (for those priests were made without an oath, but this one was made with an oath by Him who said to Him, "The Lord swore and will not repent, You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek,")
Heb 7:22 by so much was Jesus made a surety of a better covenant.

And the Bible does speak of an oath between two people.

Exo 22:10 If a man delivers to his neighbor an ass, or an ox, or a sheep, or any animal to keep, and it dies, or is hurt, or driven away, no one seeing,
Exo 22:11 an oath of Jehovah shall be between them both, that he has not put his hand to his neighbor's goods. And the owner of it shall accept it, and he shall not make it good.

More biblical evidence:

Deu 6:13 You shall fear Jehovah your God and serve Him, and shall swear by His name.

Deu 10:20 You shall fear Jehovah your God. You shall serve Him, and you shall hold fast to Him, and swear by His name.

1 Kings 22:16 So the king said to him, "How many times shall I make you swear that you tell me nothing but the truth in the name of the LORD?"

Heb 6:16 For men truly swear by the greater, and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.

[dignitized]

From the Greek Interlinear:


Matthew 5:33:

(Jesus speaking)

Again you heard that it was said to the ancients,

NOT you shall perjure, shall deliver but to the Lord,

the oaths of you. But I say to you,

NOT DO SWEAR

--AT ALL...----

..........

37: let be but the word of you, Yes, yes , No,no.

the And excess of these, out of the evil one is.


From The N.A.S.B:

33"Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.' 34"But I say to you,

MAKE NO OATH

-------AT ALL.--------

...

37"But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no'; ANYTHING BEYOND THESE, is of EVIL.

-------------------------------------

(What part of 'NO', don't you understand?) You're leaving things out there son - SWEAR NOT AT ALL BY HEAVEN . . . BY EARTH . . . . BY JERUSALEM . . . But let your YEAS be yeas and NAYS be nays.

Looking at the greek - the word used for all is holōs which means UTTERLY.

CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT.

[ronmathison]

To "swear to tell the whole truth" is nothing more than a civil oath. God Himslef made an oath in Hebrews:

Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath
Heb 7:21 (for those priests were made without an oath, but this one was made with an oath by Him who said to Him, "The Lord swore and will not repent, You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek,")
Heb 7:22 by so much was Jesus made a surety of a better covenant.

And the Bible does speak of an oath between two people.

Exo 22:10 If a man delivers to his neighbor an ass, or an ox, or a sheep, or any animal to keep, and it dies, or is hurt, or driven away, no one seeing,
Exo 22:11 an oath of Jehovah shall be between them both, that he has not put his hand to his neighbor's goods. And the owner of it shall accept it, and he shall not make it good.

More biblical evidence:

Deu 6:13 You shall fear Jehovah your God and serve Him, and shall swear by His name.

Deu 10:20 You shall fear Jehovah your God. You shall serve Him, and you shall hold fast to Him, and swear by His name.

1 Kings 22:16 So the king said to him, "How many times shall I make you swear that you tell me nothing but the truth in the name of the LORD?"

Heb 6:16 For men truly swear by the greater, and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.


You've quoted MUCH of the OLD COVENANT.

(you know, the place that we're told to NOT eat pork ; stay home on Saturdays ; Sacrifice animals ; Get circumsised ; Marry your brother's wife if he dies ; etc ;etc ; etc.)

We're in Christ's New Covenant now!!

As regarding what Paul said in Hebrews, Paul says elsewhere, that he speaks to those UNDER the law, as if he were under the law himself.

Yet Christians are NOT under the law, but under GRACE: Please see Galatians 3:10 (just to name ONE verse of MANY)

(Also, Paul himself was under an obligation to fulfill a vow he had previously made, before he became a Christian).

[ronmathison]

You're leaving things out there son - SWEAR NOT AT ALL BY HEAVEN . . . BY EARTH . . . . BY JERUSALEM . . . But let your YEAS be yeas and NAYS be nays.

Looking at the greek - the word used for all is holōs which means UTTERLY.

CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT.

Jesus says to NOT DO IT AT ALL.

What part of NO, don't you understand?

Please see:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2565069-invented-history-.html ,

for further clarification.

Have a nice day.

:)

[dignitized]

Jesus says to NOT DO IT AT ALL.

What part of NO, don't you understand? It's not that I do not understand NO - it's that you do not understand GREEK or the concept of CONTEXT.

Please see:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2565069-invented-history-.html ,

for further clarification.

Have a nice day.

:) rotfl. Thank you but no thank you I have dirtied myself in enough of your threads that I do not feel the need to continue.

[ronmathison]

I have dirtied myself in enough of your threads that I do not feel the need to continue.

Sigh. If only that would truly happen.

Have a nice day.

:)

[jad123]

You've quoted MUCH of the OLD COVENANT.

(you know, the place that we're told to NOT eat pork ; stay home on Saturdays ; Sacrifice animals ; Get circumsised ; Marry your brother's wife if he dies ; etc ;etc ; etc.)

We're in Christ's New Covenant now!!

As regarding what Paul said in Hebrews, Paul says elsewhere, that he speaks to those UNDER the law, as if he were under the law himself.

Yet Christians are NOT under the law, but under GRACE: Please see Galatians 3:10 (just to name ONE verse of MANY)

(Also, Paul himself was under an obligation to fulfill a vow he had previously made, before he became a Christian).

I agree we are in the New Covenant. BUT you have provided no evidence when stating a civil oath is sinful from the NT. AND I have not ripped the pages of the OT out. Read and learn from them.

[Quantos]

I can just see it
Judge: Why wont you sware on the bible ?
Person: Becuse the bible tells us not to.

[ronmathison]

I agree we are in the New Covenant. BUT you have provided no evidence when stating a civil oath is sinful from the NT. AND I have not ripped the pages of the OT out. Read and learn from them.

You've said 'To swear is nothing more than a civil oath'

I've shown you SPECIFICALLY where Jesus Himself, says NOT TO.

I've also pointed out, that ONE CAN AFFIRM INSTEAD OF SWEARING.

Have a nice day.

:)

[ronmathison]

I can just see it
Judge: Why wont you sware on the bible ?
Person: Becuse the bible tells us not to.

That's the answer I would give.

However, I feel it UNLIKELY that any 'credible' judge would ask such a question.

Would they ask a MUSLIM (or other religion), why THEY wouldn't swear on the bible (or koran)?

They would simply allow them to AFFIRM, instead.

[Forest]

I've also pointed out, that ONE CAN AFFIRM INSTEAD OF SWEARING.

Have a nice day.

:)

Explain to me what is the difference in saying...

"I swear to tell the truth".
"I affirm to tell the truth".

Don't they mean the same thing?

[Vicissa]

In the courts in my city they don't even have you swear "on the bible" anymore. You just raise your right hand and repeat after the judge.
Basically he just has you say "I solemnly (sp?) swear that the testimony I am about to give is true to the best of my knowledge."

[ronmathison]

Explain to me what is the difference in saying...

"I swear to tell the truth".
"I affirm to tell the truth".

Don't they mean the same thing?

AFFIRMING (to me) , simply means that you agree to tell the truth.

However, if ONE veiwed it as an OATH (unlike myself) , I would recommend LISTENING to GOD, rather than MAN.

The Apsostle Paul WAS imprisoned for HIS beliefs, after all.

[ronmathison]

In the courts in my city they don't even have you swear "on the bible" anymore. You just raise your right hand and repeat after the judge.
Basically he just has you say "I solemnly (sp?) swear that the testimony I am about to give is true to the best of my knowledge."

I know of someone who was asked to SWEAR in an AFFIDAVIT, and said-person, INSISTED on AFFIRMING, instead.

This WAS ALLOWED, and said AFFIDAFIT, was re-written to say: "I affirm..." , rather than "I swear..."

(Please don't swear, brothers and sisters)