Worlds worst nightmare ahead.

[vincejohn]

Bird flu and Iranian situation. This will cause the scripture to come true ..Jerusalem will be taken ravished women and children and then the feet of the Messiah will stand again on the Mount of Olives...the end of this world and the beginning of the final kingdom of YHWH

[tmorris6654]

Bird flu and Iranian situation. This will cause the scripture to come true ..Jerusalem will be taken ravished women and children and then the feet of the Messiah will stand again on the Mount of Olives...the end of this world and the beginning of the final kingdom of YHWH
I am very sorry, but you need to retract this post. The fact of the matter is, no one knows when the beginning of the final kingdom is at hand. Not even Jesus himself knows. The only person that knows is God. So please do not say anything that you do not know anything about. Read the bible a little harder buddy. I am not mad, just upset that you are jumping the gun on somethign that no one knows anything about.

[CrazyforYeshua]

Actually, what Yeshua said He doesn't know is when He is coming to collect His church. We were given the signs as to when the end times are, so we can be prepared. And from the looks of it, it is getting close, as vincejohn says.

[knownbeforetime]

Yep, closer all the time...

[twistedsketch]

We'll see. People have predicted "this will be the end" for decades. So I'm not inclined to believe any unbiblical end-time prophesy.

"You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." - Deuteronomy 18:21-22

[vincejohn]

The part scripture is from Zacheriah , the other 2 scenarios are staring the world in our faces. YHWH did say he would pour the Holy Spirit on all flesh in those days..to get the entire world on our knees before YHWH and Holy Yeshua something really earth shatering has to happen.as most of us know we only turn our hearts to YHWH Jesus when we are in trouble or facing death.

[vincejohn]

Am I a prophet now am I. wow i go from being called a false prophet to now being tested as a prophet. I have just made observations and added Zacheriah I am no prophet ..just a born again, sick of organised corruption and manipulation in Christendom.

[icedtea]

God is certainly trying to get the world's attention. Tsunamis, earthquakes everywhere (4 in my little state this year), fires, floods.
Not many are taking notice.
Lets keep looking up.

[prophecystudent]

We'll see. People have predicted "this will be the end" for decades. So I'm not inclined to believe any unbiblical end-time prophesy.

"You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." - Deuteronomy 18:21-22
While I agree with the underlying conclusion drawn by vincejohn, with all due respect, Iran etc are not the beginning of the end times. According to the bible, the beginning of the tribulation will be signaled by a couple of major events. One will be the divine salvation of the nation of Israel when it is invaded by the kingdoms of the north. (usually thought to be Russia an her allies). The invading forces will be destroyed by God. For details, see Ezekial 38 and 39.

The other major event is the rapture of the Church, which will take place prior to the beginning of the tribulation.

I agree that the world situation continues to deteriorate. The "wars and rumors of wars" in the middle east are merely more signs that the end times are approaching, not that they are already here.

The end times were adequately prophesied by Ezekial, Daniel, John (among others). God may well send another prophet to provide last warnings to a fallen and dying mankind, but there will be no doubt about when it happens.

Fred

[icedtea]

Only the believers will notice the signs. The wicked shall not understand.

[vincejohn]

The rapture before tribulation is a lie. show me the scriptual evidence for this man made lie. Jesus said soon after those days the sun and moon would grow dark and then the angels would decend. This clearly proves otherwise.

[ronmathison]

(Ron decides to chime-in to this 'lively-thread')

What about the great falling away?

[icedtea]

I've read many verses which claim to support the rapture before the tribulation and then the END.
Unfortunately, I don't own a Bible, and cannot look them up. It seems there is a case for it.
Its what got me saved in the first place.
if someone has the verses, I would be appreciative.

[icedtea]

There is a thread on this very subject, pages long.
The way I learned it, we are taken away, in the twinkling of an eye. Then the (roughly) 7 year tribulation. Then, Jesus returns with His saints, and the people try to make war with Him. This is Armageddon.

[ronmathison]

I've read many verses which claim to support the rapture before the tribulation and then the END.


Unfortunately, many Christians believe FALSELY, that a 'rapture' will happen BEFORE Christ's second-coming.

It will NOT.

If you read in Matthew (I believe it's chapter 23, or 22) , you will see CLEARLY,

that the rapture happens at Christ's-second-coming, and NOT before.


Many Christians are unfortunately following a spirit-of-deception.

So many in fact, that they've made a movie called: Left Behind.

(They're teachers are the only ones LEFT BEHIND, however)

[srnile]

The rapture before tribulation is a lie. show me the scriptual evidence for this man made lie. Jesus said soon after those days the sun and moon would grow dark and then the angels would decend. This clearly proves otherwise.


I did a quick google ..
[Rev 3:10] Because you have kept my word of patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial which is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell upon the earth.

[icedtea]

I think even if someone believes the rapture will come first, they are still saved.
An M. J. Agee has a web page discussing this and she has all the verses which show that the rapture happens 7 years before Jesus' triumphant return. They are pretty convincing.

[srnile]

Unfortunately, many Christians believe FALSELY, that a 'rapture' will happen BEFORE Christ's second-coming.

It will NOT.

If you read in Matthew (I believe it's chapter 23, or 22) , you will see CLEARLY,

that the rapture happens at Christ's-second-coming, and NOT before.


Many Christians are unfortunately following a spirit-of-deception.

So many in fact, that they've made a movie called: Left Behind.

(They're teachers are the only ones LEFT BEHIND, however)



Since you're no going could you feed my fish while I'm gone? :)

Seriously though, if God allows us to go through the tribulation, He will equip us to handle it.

[icedtea]

I think the real question is "Will you feed my sheep"?
;)

[vincejohn]

Howard It is amazing you dont own a Bible please explain.
The Christians in those countries now being killed and jailing them are now in the tribulation. I thank God Almighty I left ministers and churches to study Gods word. Pray for the Christians in Iraq, Iran, Egypt and whereever. Open your eyes Our brothers and sisters are now in the tribulation being jailed and murdered. As Christ said soon after those days the angels will decend.
The antichrist is now here and there are many.

[icedtea]

I cannot afford a Bible. I had one 5 years ago, but it was a soft cover and eventually wore out.
Sometimes I get them from the library, but they don't have New King James or New revised Standard, my 2 favorites.

Yes, I know of those christians being killed just for being christians today.
I am glad I live in America.
However, the one antichrist will do certain things.
He will sign a peace treaty with Israel, he will reinstate animal sacrifice, and he will sit in the temple declaring he is God.
The tribulation those believers are going through now may seem not so bad compared to what will happen then.

[icedtea]

Also, it makes me think, when it says the stars will fall from the sky.
Stars don't fall. If it looks like they are, that means the earth will be moving-way fast!

[JVD]

This could be the end...then again, it might not be for 10,000 years, or more.

Live as if it is the end, plan as if your great grandchildren will need your legacy.

[prophecystudent]

I cannot afford a Bible. I had one 5 years ago, but it was a soft cover and eventually wore out.
Sometimes I get them from the library, but they don't have New King James or New revised Standard, my 2 favorites.

Yes, I know of those christians being killed just for being christians today.
I am glad I live in America.
However, the one antichrist will do certain things.
He will sign a peace treaty with Israel, he will reinstate animal sacrifice, and he will sit in the temple declaring he is God.
The tribulation those believers are going through now may seem not so bad compared to what will happen then.
If you cannot afford a bible, why not use one of dozens available online?

Check out the site below.

http://www.biblegateway.com/

Fred

[prophecystudent]

The rapture before tribulation is a lie. show me the scriptual evidence for this man made lie.

See below:
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (New International Version)

16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage each other with these words.

There are other passages but this is the one most people agree shows the pre-trib rapture. Others state that God will spare believers from the tribulation. On top of that, explain why God, who promises to take us up into the clouds to be with Christ before the tribulation starts will not do so. Further, explain why the God who so loved us that He sent His only begotten Son to die and reconcile us to Himself will then require believers alive at the tribulation to go through that horror. The merciful, loving God I know will keep His word, and save all believers alive at the beginning of the tribulation from the horrors.

Jesus said soon after those days the sun and moon would grow dark and then the angels would decend. This clearly proves otherwise.

I think you have taken something out of context, again. I submit that the thought you quote above refers to events during the tribulation. Read Revelation to see the events, but before you do that, get a good book that helps you understand the timing and context.

Fred

[vincejohn]

There is nothing in that scripture that says we will be raptured before the tribulation. This is a false doctrine perpertrated by ear ticklers as Ron says to get people feeling falsely that they have some advantage over others..we do have an advantage in being loved by YHWH Yeshua Jesus. many Christians have lived through tribulation and Jews, the Holocaust, Inquisition, Ceasare.
If you lived in those days and were in it you would read the scripture and see you are in the book and the time is now. I believe the Holy Spirit just spoke through me..

[HappyMomof4]

I cannot afford a Bible. I had one 5 years ago, but it was a soft cover and eventually wore out.
Sometimes I get them from the library, but they don't have New King James or New revised Standard, my 2 favorites.



I know Bibles are expensive. Have you looked in local used book stores? Also, check out ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-KING-JAMES-BIBLE-NELSON-NEVER-USED-EXCELLANT-COND_W0QQitemZ7007745022QQcategoryZ29223QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/bible-1990-revised-standard-version-new-color-pictures_W0QQitemZ4613226126QQcategoryZ378QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[prophecystudent]

There is nothing in that scripture that says we will be raptured before the tribulation. This is a false doctrine perpertrated by ear ticklers as Ron says to get people feeling falsely that they have some advantage over others..we do have an advantage in being loved by YHWH Yeshua Jesus. many Christians have lived through tribulation and Jews, the Holocaust, Inquisition, Ceasare.
If you lived in those days and were in it you would read the scripture and see you are in the book and the time is now. I believe the Holy Spirit just spoke through me..
I am truly sorry that you refuse to consider the Scriptures and their meaning. There are many places in Scripture that support a pre-trib rapture. Again, for the last time, I suggest you get down to reading Scripture, taking the whole context into consideration, and using scholarly supporting documents to help you understand it.

Until you do that, you will continue to take things out of context and miss the important lessons taught in Scripture.

I submit, and it is supported in the bible, that you "test the spirits" to see if the "messages" you are receiving are really from the Holy Spirit.

With all due respect,

Fred

[tel0004]

Thats sad if you cant afford a bible, look at your local christian store, they have gift bibles that are 1.00 to 1.50. If you cant get one, PM me your address, and Ill send you one. (yes im being serious) Nobody should be without a bible.

[ronmathison]

I am truly sorry that you refuse to consider the Scriptures and their meaning. There are many places in Scripture that support a pre-trib rapture.

No there isn't.

(or give us 'them MANY verses' supporting a pre-trib-rapture' )

[Quantos]

I cannot afford a Bible. I had one 5 years ago, but it was a soft cover and eventually wore out.
Sometimes I get them from the library, but they don't have New King James or New revised Standard, my 2 favorites.

Yes, I know of those christians being killed just for being christians today.
I am glad I live in America.
However, the one antichrist will do certain things.
He will sign a peace treaty with Israel, he will reinstate animal sacrifice, and he will sit in the temple declaring he is God.
The tribulation those believers are going through now may seem not so bad compared to what will happen then.

Send me your address in a P.M. and Ill get one sent out to you.
May not be a fancy one, but I'll get you one.

[prophecystudent]

According to Dr. Timothy LaHaye, much confusion exists in Christian circles regarding the Rapture. In his book, Revelation Unveiled, he provides excellent research and explanation regarding much of the confusion. Much of this confusion stems because people do not understand that while Christ only returns once to the earth, His coming is in two phases. The first phase is the rapture; the second is when He actually sets foot on the earth at the end of the tribulation.
The information in the table below provides the scripture references for both phases. His argument that there can only be a pre-tribulation rapture is convincing. I suggest that those who have questions read it for themselves.

With respect, I suspect that this topic will continue to be argued until Satan starts serving pink lemonade. For the mid-trib and post trib adherents, please explain how God will force the believers living at the beginning of the tribulation to undergo the the horrors described in Revelation. No loving God would do that. Besides, He said we would be spared that.

RAPTURE PASSAGES
John 14:1-3
1 Cor. 15:51-53
1 Cor. 16:22
1 Cor: 1:7,8
1 John 2:28-3:2
1 Pet. 1:7,13
1 Pet. 5:4
1 Thes. 1:10
1 Thes. 2:19
1 Thes. 4:13-18
1 Thes. 5:23
1 Thes. 5:9
1 Tim. 6:14
2 Thes. 2:1
2 Tim. 4:1
2 Tim. 4:8
Col. 3:4
Heb. 9:28
James 5:7-9
Jude 21
Phil: 3:20-21
Phil: 4:5
Rev. 2:25
Rev. 3:10
Romans 8:19
Titus 2:13

SECOND COMING PASSAGES
Dan. 2:44-45
Dan. 7:9-14
Dan. 12:1-3
Zech. 12:10
Zech. 14:1-15
Matt 13:41
Matt. 24:15-31
Matt. 26:64
Mark 13:14-27
Mark 14:62
Luke 21:25-28
Acts 1:9-11
1 Thess. 3.13
2 Thess. 2.8
1 Peter 3:1-14
Jude 14-15
Rev. 1:7
Rev. 19:11-20:6
Rev. 22:7, 12, 20

[icedtea]

Thats sad if you cant afford a bible, look at your local christian store, they have gift bibles that are 1.00 to 1.50. If you cant get one, PM me your address, and Ill send you one. (yes im being serious) Nobody should be without a bible.Thank you! Someone else has already offered! That is so great. Yes, there are bibles online, but I am not online all the time and enjoy sitting on the bed quietly reading it.

[ninjax737]

Many of you are right about signs and the rapture getting close. We all know it is close, but while God gave us signs he also does not want you to dwell on this. Tomorrow is a gift and a blessing; you may never see tomorrow let alone the rapture. If you have faith in God then you have nothing to fear of the end times and if you are not right with God and Jesus then be prepared for you will endure these times. While it is good to be informed I believe that arguing over this signs or if the time is at hand defeats the point of living. We do not live to die. We live for today, we live for God, NOT THE RAPTURE OR THE END TIMES. Enjoy your life, live in harmony with other people, and have faith in God. The rapture may come tomorrow, but tomorrow is not yours or mine, it belongs to God. If you don't know what to look for then read the bible not word of mouth. After you know what to look for, be done with it. Enjoy the rest of your day and stop wasting your energies on something so futile. The end times is meant as a last chance for people to believe in god before judgment. If you already have FAITH in God and Jesus.(as many of you do), the none of this applies to you anyway. Now, get up and go enjoy the company of family, friends, and loved ones. If no one is there then pray and thank God just for waking up this morning and enjoy God’s company.

[prophecystudent]

I agree, wholeheartedly, that we should not dwell on the rapture or the end times to the point of ignoring the rest of our duties. Nor do I personally do that. I am informed about the signs to look for, but I don't dwell on it.

We are to help each other understand, as well as to bring the gospel to the unsaved. In my mind, that requires at least putting my belief (supported by a lot of lifelong bible scholars) forward when I see certain statements regarding the end times, the rapture, or those who profess to be modern day prophets. Especially when what the prophecy contradicts the biblical evidence.

Regards to all,

In service to Christ and His Kingdom,

Fred

[Mrs. Enigma]

Well, I don't wanna jump to any conclusions about when the end actually is gonna be, but I guess that if people keep saying that the end is upon us, one of them will eventually have to be right.

I guess, I will just say that I will believe it when I see it.

P.S., I did not read this thread further then on the first page, so if I am way off topic, then just ignore this.

[icedtea]

Well, I don't wanna jump to any conclusions about when the end actually is gonna be, but I guess that if people keep saying that the end is upon us, one of them will eventually have to be right.

I guess, I will just say that I will believe it when I see it.

P.S., I did not read this thread further then on the first page, so if I am way off topic, then just ignore this.
No, not off topic.
We should just expect His return every day and live that way. When He comes, we can all jump for joy.:clap:

[ronmathison]

No, not off topic.
We should just expect His return every day and live that way.

Because ANY of us could DIE, at ANY MOMENT.

And then we would be face-to-face, with Jesus.

[ronmathison]

According to

I notice you've NOT given any SPECIFIC verses that say that a rapture WILL happen pre-trib. You previously said on this thread that there were MANY verses.

Please allow me to give SPECIFIC verses saying that The Rapture will happen at CHRIST'S SECOND COMING, and NOT before:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2596482-no-rapture.html

Have a nice day.

:)

[prophecystudent]

I notice you've NOT given any SPECIFIC verses that say that a rapture WILL happen pre-trib. You previously said on this thread that there were MANY verses.

Please allow me to give SPECIFIC verses saying that The Rapture will happen at CHRIST'S SECOND COMING, and NOT before:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2596482-no-rapture.html

Have a nice day.

:)

Maybe you missed it. There are two sections of verses quoted. The first is LABELLED RAPTURE VERSES.

The second group is labelled Second coming verses.

Have a nice day.

Fred

[Quantos]

I notice you've NOT given any SPECIFIC verses that say that a rapture WILL happen pre-trib. You previously said on this thread that there were MANY verses.

Please allow me to give SPECIFIC verses saying that The Rapture will happen at CHRIST'S SECOND COMING, and NOT before:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2596482-no-rapture.html

Have a nice day.

:)

Well actually that's a thread not a verse ;)

[ronmathison]

Maybe you missed it. There are two sections of verses quoted. The first is LABELLED RAPTURE VERSES.



I've missed NOTHING.

I've asked you to give those verses which say there will be a PRE-TRIB-RAPTURE.

Again: PRE-TRIB-RAPTURE.

What you had previously said, was:

"
There are many places in Scripture that support a pre-trib rapture.

"

I KNOW there will be a RAPTURE AT THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST: http://www.christianforums.com/t2596482-no-rapture.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t2596482-no-rapture.html)

I'm asking you to give THE EXACT-VERSES THAT SAY THERE WILL BE A PRE-TRIB-RAPTURE.

Well?

Have a nice day.

:)

[Everlastinglife]

Iran is relevant! Iran represents persia in verse 38:5. Continue to spread the good news, time is short.

Ezekiel 38 & 39


"An Attempt to Invade Israel"
Led by Gog (Ezekiel 38:2 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#2))
Attacking a newly formed Nation of Israel. (Ezekiel 38:16 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#16))
Muslim Allies (Ezekiel 38:3-6 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#4))



Coming to take a spoil, to take a prey (Ezekiel 38:11-12 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#11))Overflowing rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone...(Ezekiel 38:22 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#22))




Aftermath

Ezekiel 39 "Invaders Destroyed"
God intervenes ...
He supernaturally comes to Israel's rescue! (Ezekiel 39:3-7 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze039.html#3))
Clean-Up Time!
The entire chapter of Ezekiel 39 is describing the clean-up from this battle which has all the indications of being nuclear!
The weapons will be burned with fire for 7 years - (Ezekiel 39:9 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze039.html#9)) The House of Israel will be burying Gog and all his multitude for
7 months - (Ezekiel 39:12 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze039.html#12))

[icedtea]

Iraq is important too, it being Babylon and all.

[ChristianM0Mof2]

Maybe we shouldn't worry about when the rapture is going to be.
We need to be out there trying to get as many souls for Jesus. We need to be doing disclipeship. Teaching others of the love of Jesus.
Would Jesus want us dwelling on such a pity thing..
Or would He want us to be doing His will..
God Bless you all.

[linssue55]

Bird flu and Iranian situation. This will cause the scripture to come true ..Jerusalem will be taken ravished women and children and then the feet of the Messiah will stand again on the Mount of Olives...the end of this world and the beginning of the final kingdom of YHWHThe trinity-Godhead......all 3 person's know exactly when the rapture will occur, they are all Omniscient, they know everything there is to know. They did not create knowledge.....THEY ARE KNOWLEDGE!!

From my personal studies.......

DOCTRINE OF THE RAPTURE


A. Definition.
1. While the Rapture is defined as the act of being transported, it is also defined as the state of being rapt or carried out of oneself. However, these definitions do not apply here. Rapture is used here in a technical theological sense for the resurrection of the royal family of God.
2. Since the Church or royal family of God is the first spiritual building to be completed, it is resurrected after our Lord. It is the second phase of the first resurrection following the resurrection of Christ.
3. Christ is resurrected, ascended, and seated at the right hand of the Father as part of the strategic victory of the angelic conflict.
4. This is known as our Lord’s battlefield royalty. This is His only royalty with no family. Therefore, God interrupted the Jewish Age with the Church Age to call out and provide a royal family of God.
5. Once the royal family of God is completed, the Church is resurrected as the body of Christ to become the bride of Christ.
6. The Church Age is that period of human history when the royal family of God is being formed on earth, Eph 1:22-23, 2:16, 4:4-5; Col 1:18, 24, 2:19.
7. When the royal family of God is completed, then the Rapture occurs, 1 Thes 4:16-18; 1 Cor 15:51-58.
8. During the conclusion of the Jewish Age, the bride is prepared in heaven by receiving a resurrection body exactly like that of the Lord. Then comes the Big Genuflex and acknowledgment of Christ. Then comes the Judgment Seat of Christ, when all Church Age believers are evaluated and rewarded, 2 Cor 5:10.
B. The Promise of the Rapture, Jn 14:1-3. “If I go to prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself.”
C. The Imminency of the Rapture.
1. Imminency means impending, or threatening to occur immediately. It does not mean immediately.
2. Rapture is used technically for the fact that no prophecy has to be fulfilled before the Rapture occurs. The Rapture will occur when the last member of the body of Christ is saved.
3. The Church Age is the only dispensation in which there are historical trends and no prophecy. The Church Age began with an event prophesied—the baptism of the Spirit. Our Lord prophesied this in the Upper Room Discourse and just before He ascended. The Church Age terminates with the Rapture, which was also prophesied. There is no prophecy between these two events. This is the dispensation of the mystery doctrine.
4. No prophecy between the baptism of the Spirit and the Rapture means that the Rapture is imminent. It could occur at any time; no one knows the day or the hour.
5. The resurrection of the Church, like our dying, is completely out of our control. Just as we have no control over the time and manner of our death, so we have no control over the time and manner of the Rapture.
6. The resurrection of the Church is totally beyond our control because resurrection is the Lord’s victory. 1 Cor 15:57, “Thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.”
7. While the Rapture is imminent, the Second Advent is not. Before the Second Advent occurs, there are many prophecies which must occur, e.g., the Rapture, the Tribulation, the Judgment Seat of Christ, Rev 6-19.
8. The Rapture could have occurred at the time of James or Paul because no prophecy had to be fulfilled before the resurrection occurs.
9. Distortion of the imminency of the Rapture results in instability and foolish explanation or speculation about the time of the Rapture; hence, James gives us an admonition in Jam 5:7-8. “Therefore, brethren, have patience until the coming of the Lord [Rapture]. The farmer waits with anticipation for the valuable production of the soil, constantly being patient until it has received the early and the latter rains. Have patience! Furthermore, all of you become stabilized in your right lobes because the coming of the Lord [Rapture] has approached with the result that it is drawing nearer and nearer.”

[ronmathison]

Only the believers will notice the signs. The wicked shall not understand.

I agree with the part about

'the wicked shall not understand'

(at least they definitely won't turn to God)


However, I believe they'll NOTICE the signs...

Such as a 100 lb hailstone crashing into the earth, etc

(found in Rev)

[ronmathison]

It could occur at any time;

no one knows the day or the hour.



For now:

Although no one (besides God) , knows the day,

or the hour,

This does NOT mean

'it could occur at any time.'


We could still say

that the rapture

will happen AFTER the great-falling-away,

as well as AFTER Christ's-Second Coming.


(Please read ALL of Matthew 24)

(Christ returns, THEN we are gathered to Him.)

So:

The Rapture COULDN'T happen at any time.

[ninjax737]

WOW, I can't believe many of you missed the point. The end times is Gods last chance to reach non-believers. If you are whole heartedly living your life in the name of God and Jesus, then you have nothing to worry about and arguing over time and place is futile. IT CAN HAPPEN ANYTIME. I understand Matthew 24 but you nor I know when "THE GREAT FALLING AWAY" will happen and it doesn't matter. TOMMOROW IS NOT YOURS, IT BELONGS TO GOD ALONE. Have faith in God and teach others about your faith, but arguing over the rapture and end times. NO, I wont, I leave this for those who fear God. I live for Gods will. I may not want to die but it is by Gods will I live in the first place. Same goes for all. So yes learn the signs by reading the bible but after that be done with it. There are good forums on this website but unless this thread is used to teach non-believers the signs then it pointless. God or death, God or suffering, God or Armageddon you tell yourself where your faith is. What is truly important, living for a day you may never see or living the life you have now. Pray, teach , live tomorrow is not here my friend, there is still much day left.

[Selznak]

We'll see. People have predicted "this will be the end" for decades. So I'm not inclined to believe any unbiblical end-time prophesy.

"You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." - Deuteronomy 18:21-22

Thank you! I could not agree more. I let the Bible alone determine my views on eschatology, not the newspapers, FOXNews, CNN, or a slew of poorly written Christian novels.