Man: Head Of The Woman!

[ronmathison]

There's always been people screaming:

"Equal rights for women!" ,

but a woman is clearly NOT equal to a man.

The bible frequently speaks of how MEN, should be in charge of the WOMEN.

Example:

Passages like: 1 Timothy 3:4 , tells us that the man should rule his household.

In other words:

RULE THE WOMAN, As well as the rest.

Another example:

1 Cor 9:5 : (from the Greek Interlinear)

... not have we authority, a sister, a wife, to LEAD-ABOUT... ?

(etc. etc. etc.)

I feel it's about time for WOMEN in the church, as well as society, to more-fully SUBMIT themselves to the MEN.

(just like the bible says they should)

Can I hear an amen?

At any rate, please do have yourselves a very nice day.

:)

[twistedsketch]

Women are equal in value to God, and can have a direct relationship with God. Our headship gives us a responsibility to rule them in ways that are pleasing to God.

Ephesians 5:25-33
1 Peter 3:7
Colossians 3:19

So yes, women should submit. We should also love them as Christ loved us.

[ronmathison]

So yes, women should submit.



I agree with what's in the above quotes.


Yet I see (I.M.O.) many women

ONLY trying to 'instruct that man' ,

or (what frequently happens today, in our society)

'dump that man, and take 1/2 of his estate.'


What a tragedy.

Oh well, have a nice day.

:)

[Lynn73]

Ga 3:28 (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=ga+3:28&version=kjv&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1) - Show Context (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=ga+3:28&version=kjv&context=1&showtools=1) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Women and men are equal in God's eyes with different roles. I doubt He is adocating that one be the slave of the other. Also, if I know my husband is in spiritual error, I'm not going to be silent and follow him into that error. I simple cannot do that. Sometimes it's the woman that's more mature spiritually than the man and more biblically knowledgable. God gave us minds too.

[ronmathison]

there is neither male nor female

That verse is referring to SALVATION.

In other words, Jews , Greeks , slaves , males , and females can all be saved.


Otherwise same-sex marriages would be o.k. with God.


After all, there is neither male nor female.


(Same sex marriages are NOT o.k. with God, fyi)


In any event,

have a nice day.

:)

[Stinker]

Ga 3:28 (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=ga+3:28&version=kjv&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1) - Show Context (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=ga+3:28&version=kjv&context=1&showtools=1) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Women and men are equal in God's eyes with different roles. I doubt He is adocating that one be the slave of the other. Also, if I know my husband is in spiritual error, I'm not going to be silent and follow him into that error. I simple cannot do that. Sometimes it's the woman that's more mature spiritually than the man and more biblically knowledgable. God gave us minds too.

Actually, Gal.3:28 is not just saying that Gentiles, slaves, and females, are to only inherit salvation alone in the church. Check out this link to one of the most respected of Bible scholars:

http://www.studylight.org/com/geb/view.cgi?book=ga&chapter=003&verse=028

[Svt4Him]

If a cop pulls me over, we are equal under the law, but his position allows him to give me a fine if I've broken the law. Positionally he has authority in that situation, but if someone was dying on the side of the road, I as a first aid attendant would have more authority. We are equal as people, and having a different position or level of authority doesn't make me rise above or below you.

[Browneyes84]

There's always been people screaming:

"Equal rights for women!" ,

but a woman is clearly NOT equal to a man.

The bible frequently speaks of how MEN, should be in charge of the WOMEN.

Example:

Passages like: 1 Timothy 3:4 , tells us that the man should rule his household.

In other words:

RULE THE WOMAN, As well as the rest.

Another example:

1 Cor 9:5 : (from the Greek Interlinear)

... not have we authority, a sister, a wife, to LEAD-ABOUT... ?

(etc. etc. etc.)

I feel it's about time for WOMEN in the church, as well as society, to more-fully SUBMIT themselves to the MEN.

(just like the bible says they should)

Can I hear an amen?

At any rate, please do have yourselves a very nice day.

:)
I hate to break it to your but women, along with everyone else, are to have full equal legal rights. Sorry, but that's just the way it is-- or would you rather have the government take away voting, equal access to healthcare, and education? you'd have a LOT of angry people running around... The Bible says that in a marriage situation the wife is to submit to her husband. That does not mean blind submission or that she is another child to be in "charge" of. You must not like that. Submission is supposed to be about putting aside your own needs and wants for your spouse. Notice also in the Bible it says we are to submit to one another--or was that not something worth noting? or how a man is to love his wife and keep her pure and holy? that doesn't sound like someone who has control issues wanting to take "charge" of everything. Women have the same equal worth in society, the law and to God. Just because we have equal worth does not mean we are THE SAME. There is a difference there. Overall society isn't going to "submit" to men--it is about the Christian marriage and ministry situation where this applies. I agree with what a poster had said if her husbad is in error--as a wife, or any spouse for that mater, you shouldnt be led in error or allow error to continue and yes you should speak up.

[ronmathison]

Allright, I've read the posts

(please people, if you don't mind, kindly speak from the heart, or give me a verse, RATHER than some 'babbler's-babbling-ramblings')

I STILL feel that WOMEN ARE TO SUBMIT TO MEN (way more than they are now. THAT'S for sure)

1 Cor 11:4(from the Greek Interlinear) ..head and of a woman, THE MAN;

verses 8-9:

...also, for NOT was created man, because of the woman, but woman, because of the man.

SEE?

WOMEN NEED TO START SUBMITTING.

But INSTEAD of SUBMITTING,

they want to LOCK us in by men making UN-BIBLICAL MAN MADE CONTRACTUAL OATHS,

which allow them to leave US , take away HALF of OUR PROPERTY,
AND OUR KIDS!

WELL! I SAY PHOOEY ON THAT!

They want to play BOSS, when it should be VICE-VERSA!

[Browneyes84]

Unfortunately you make submitting sound like a horrid chore.

[ronmathison]

If a cop pulls me over, we are equal under the law, but his position allows him to give me a fine if I've broken the law. Positionally he has authority in that situation, but if someone was dying on the side of the road, I as a first aid attendant would have more authority. We are equal as people, and having a different position or level of authority doesn't make me rise above or below you.

Yeah, but:

When a COP barkes orders, people are supposed to COMPLY,

as if he's the BOSS!

Also:

I feel your comparing APPLES to ORANGES.

WOMEN are created for MEN.

'NUFF SAID (for now) .

[Vicissa]

Unfortunately you make submitting sound like a horrid chore.
:thumbsup:

[ronmathison]

Unfortunately you make submitting sound like a horrid chore.

It is if you feel that women are SUPPOSED to take away half of our property, AND OUR KIDS (while laughing at us), all the while.

That NEVER happened in SCRIPTURE!

Our countries laws NEED TO BE CHANGED, to better reflect: SUBMISSION!

Have a nice day

:)

[Browneyes84]

I think you have a problem with women. The country's laws aren't going to change to reflect submission, sorry. That is for Christian marriage and ministry.

[dignitized]

There's always been people screaming:

"Equal rights for women!" ,

but a woman is clearly NOT equal to a man. Of course not. Men and women are DIFFERENT. But that difference does not make man superior to woman any more than skin color or eye color makes some one superior

The bible frequently speaks of how MEN, should be in charge of the WOMEN.

Example:

Passages like: 1 Timothy 3:4 , tells us that the man should rule his household. NO - actually it says a BISHOP should be head of his own household. As opposed to a man living in another mans household. Lets not forget that at the time families were not limited to a husband wife and kids - but included extended family as well.

In other words:

RULE THE WOMAN, As well as the rest.Not hardly.

Another example:

1 Cor 9:5 : (from the Greek Interlinear)

... not have we authority, a sister, a wife, to LEAD-ABOUT... ?

(etc. etc. etc.)AGAIN you take a verse out of context. The passage in question was in reference to the office of apostle as LEADERS in the body of Christ. It has NOTHING to do with male v. female.

I feel it's about time for WOMEN in the church, as well as society, to more-fully SUBMIT themselves to the MEN.

(just like the bible says they should) There is not one single scripture verse to substantiate your bogus argument that women are second class citizens.



Can I hear an amen? I doubt it.

[Vicissa]

Ron it seems like you only focus on one side of the spectrum. God calls women to submit to their husbands as if to the Lord, but a man is also called to love his wife as Christ loves the church. Yet I see you only referring to the women's side of it.

Have you took the log out of your own eye before you come in here screaming SUBMIT!! SUBMIT!!???

When both husband and wife are following God's design for marriage it is a beautiful thing, and submission can be wonderful. But you make it sound like the most horrid thing to do.

[dignitized]

It is if you feel that women are SUPPOSED to take away half of our property, AND OUR KIDS (while laughing at us), all the while.

That NEVER happened in SCRIPTURE!

Our countries laws NEED TO BE CHANGED, to better reflect: SUBMISSION!

Have a nice day

:) maybe you would be happier converting and moving to Saudi Arabia.

[Browneyes84]

Yeah, but:

When a COP barkes orders, people are supposed to COMPLY,

as if he's the BOSS!

Also:

I feel your comparing APPLES to ORANGES.

WOMEN are created for MEN.

'NUFF SAID (for now) .
So now if any man barks orders at women, they are really supposed to just listen? you make so many people laugh....women were created for men to be a HELPMEET-- because without women men aren't complete. Or do you not believe in the Biblically sactioned complementary concept? you really believe that women are supposed to be treated to be stepped on?

[ronmathison]

There is not one single scripture verse to substantiate your bogus argument that women are second class citizens.


Oh yeah?

What about:

1 Cor 11:4(from the Greek Interlinear)

verses 8-9:

...also, for NOT was created man, because of the woman, but woman, because of the man.

SEE?

WOMEN NEED TO START SUBMITTING.

(and that's NOT bogus. WOMEN were created FOR MEN!)

[Vicissa]

WOMEN NEED TO START SUBMITTING.

But INSTEAD of SUBMITTING,

they want to LOCK us in by men making UN-BIBLICAL MAN MADE CONTRACTUAL OATHS,

which allow them to leave US , take away HALF of OUR PROPERTY,
AND OUR KIDS!

WELL! I SAY PHOOEY ON THAT!

They want to play BOSS, when it should be VICE-VERSA!

Is someone close to you (or maybe yourself) going through a messy divorce right now??? Geez man..... I'm sorry you have such disdain for women.

[dignitized]

So now if any man barks orders at women, they are really supposed to just listen? you make so many people laugh....women were created for men to be a HELPMEET-- because without women men aren't complete. Or do you not believe in the Biblically sactioned complementary concept? you really believe that women are supposed to be treated to be stepped on? EGG-ZACTLY. Some people are quick to shut the Bible after they read EPH 5:22-24 and ignore 25-33. Funny that he goes on much longer with instructions to men than he does to women. Further - people forget that it Scripture tells us that "it is not good for MAN to be alone."


(YOY! I'm starting to sound like a feminazi! :doh:)

[ronmathison]

When both husband and wife are following God's design for marriage it is a beautiful thing, and submission can be wonderful.

The key-phrase being: WHEN they (or SHE) are following God's design.

However, all to often SHE DOESN'T!

So, I suggest to change laws, so:

women CAN'T take away half of our property, AND OUR KIDS (while laughing at us), all the while.


have a nice day
:)

[dignitized]

Oh yeah?

What about:

1 Cor 11:4(from the Greek Interlinear)

verses 8-9:

...also, for NOT was created man, because of the woman, but woman, because of the man.

SEE?

WOMEN NEED TO START SUBMITTING.

(and that's NOT bogus. WOMEN were created FOR MEN!) And what is the purpose of that creation? To be footstools? To be second class citizens? NOT HARDLY. lol Yes woman was created for man because it was not good for man to be alone. NOT to be a slave - but to be a PARTNER. :)Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help(5828) meet for him. H5828
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BDB Definition:
1) help, succour
1a) help, succour
1b) one who helps

[dignitized]

The key-phrase being: WHEN they (or SHE) are following God's design.

However, all to often SHE DOESN'T!

So, I suggest to change laws, so:

women CAN'T take away half of our property, AND OUR KIDS (while laughing at us), all the while.


have a nice day
:) would it be any more right if a man did the same to a woman?

[ronmathison]

Is someone close to you (or maybe yourself) going through a messy divorce right now???

There's ALWAYS some poor sucker in the paper or on the news, who's been RAILROADED by a woman. It's a main reason why I stopped listening to the media. Does anyone remember that old Led Zeppelin song: Heartbreaker, that goes: 'Alimony, alimony, PAYIN' YOUR BILLS, when your conscience hits, you knock it back with pills.'

What a familliar tragedy.

[ronmathison]

would it be any more right if a man did the same to a woman?

NO!

It would be JUST AS EVIL.

Amen ? (that it's EVIL , whoever does it?)

[dignitized]

NO!

It would be JUST AS EVIL.

Amen ? (that it's EVIL , whoever does it?)No fault divorce is wrong. Keeping a parent from seeing their kids without VERY good reason is also wrong. But then so is relegating women to second class status.

[dignitized]

There's ALWAYS some poor sucker in the paper or on the news, who's been RAILROADED by a woman. And what bout those cases where the man beats his wife half dead or WORSE!?

[Vicissa]

NO!

It would be JUST AS EVIL.

Amen ? (that it's EVIL , whoever does it?)

Amen it's just as evil.
You know, those situations you see need to be looked at on an individual basis. Lets say a man abandon's his wife who's worked in the home for their whole marriage caring for their kids. Just because he wants to run off with some younger, prettier version of his wife doesn't negate him from his obligations to his children and caring for his wife. If that is the only way she can go about getting the care for her family, since he refuses, why shouldn't she take him to court? And if she wins, IMO justice is served.

I can agree that in some states, even in mine, courts tend to lean towards favoring mom's as far as getting children go. And that isn't fair, it should be judged on a level playing field.

And just as many women DON'T follow God's word as far as submission go, there are just as many men who aren't following his word on loving his wife and treating her as Christ treated the church. It doesn't make it right, but its a fact. All any of us can do is work on it in our own marriages.

[dignitized]

it's all about BALANCE!!

[Browneyes84]

For some reason a lot of us are getting the message that you WANT to treat women like second-class citizens, you WANT women to be downtrodden, and you want to ignore what the Bible has taught us about treating each other with love, respect, and regarding the appropriate relationships with marriage and submission. So what's the deal? there's gotta be a reason why a lot of other posters feel this way.

[Vicissa]

it's all about BALANCE!!

Yes!:thumbsup:

[ronmathison]

And what bout those cases where the man beats his wife half dead or WORSE!?

Two wrongs don't make a right,

but I get there are WAY more instances of men's lives being destroyed, by what the law(s) allow women to do to them.

[dignitized]

Two wrongs don't make a right,

but I get there are WAY more instances of men's lives being destroyed, by what the law(s) allow women to do to them. go back and read post # 30

[Browneyes84]

So now we blame women for the wrongs done unto men? Why don't you find something more worthwhile to blame...as in the laws allowed to favor women, which were written and passed by MEN for your information....

[Forest]

If a husband does his part...

Ephesians 5:25 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=56&chapter=5&verse=25&version=9&context=verse)
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

The wife's part is easy.

[dignitized]

am I the only one who noticed that he is wearing a CANADIAN flag??

[Browneyes84]

you know none of us are really having that much fun going feminazi on you, but what we are wondering about is why the attitude...we know what the Bible says...why add anything to it that isn't appropriate or even Biblical?

[knownbeforetime]

Your wife's name isn't Hermione is it?

*coughs*

I hate divorce as much as the next guy. I have family members that I will probably never see again because their mothers have absconded with the children.

However, you make it sound as if every husband should be given a cattle-prod and herd their wife about like a piece of meat.

Here's a quote I heard some time ago: "How beautiful, in its fullness of meaning, is this simple but suggestive story [creation story], at which skeptics sneer. God did not make man after the order of the lower animals, but 'in His own image.' Neither did He choose man's companion, or 'help' from some other order of beings, but made her from man - of the same substance. And He took this substance, not from man's feet, that he might have an excuse to degrade, enslave, or trample upon her; nor from man's head, that woman might assume authority over man; but from man's side, from over his heart, the seat of affections, that woman might stand at his side as man's equal, and, side by side with him, together, under God, work out the purpose and destiny of the race...

from Bible Readings for the Home, p. 506, Pacific Press, copyright 1962

[Col]

Hello...its 2006 not 1906. Selective editing of biblical texts in an effort to justify or substantiate a particular view is, I believe, a terrible misuse of the inspired word of God.

Misogynistic attitudes like those voiced in the OP and subsequent posts went out with the horse and cart. I think the human race has progressed somewhat to a position that most civilised societies recognise that all people have worth, and that supeiority is not a gender specific trait.

Now I ain't done none of that fancy book lernin', but I do know that marriage is a partnership, it is give and take and all about love.

Although having said that, I wear the pants in my family....however, of course my wife tells me which ones to put on ;)

[Lynn73]

Notice also in the Bible it says we are to submit to one another--or was that not something worth noting? or how a man is to love his wife and keep her pure and holy? that doesn't sound like someone who has control issues wanting to take "charge" of everything.

My husband tends to be just than kind of person. He tends to be a control freak and I've told him so. If I'd let him, he'd tell me what to think, what to wear, what to eat, just about everything. I don't thing this is what God has in mind, for one to have total control over another. I just cannot live that way. If we were supposed to be robots and say nothing but "yes, dear" all the time, we shouldn't have been made with minds, desires, likes and dislikes of our own. I guess I'm not the best example of a Christian woman because I simple find myself unable to allow myself to be totally controlled and be miserable.

[dignitized]

a biblical explination of submission:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1565077202/104-6308490-7768767?v=glance&n=283155

[ronmathison]

I've read all the posts so far, and am still convinced of what I've said in the o.p.

Here's another example of how I feel women often DON'T submit to men:

Many couples break-up, and the woman (who was created for the man) gets custody of the children, with the man only being able to see them part-time, with the woman laughing all the while. She gets so called court-ordered child support, which in reality amounts to half of everything (no matter how much he has, or gets) . Meanwile, the woman in these cases, frequently just 'live it up' on the town, corousing with other men.

Does THAT sound like submission to you?