Are you a heretic? <--Quiz

[AngCath]

http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=131773

go here to see if you are a heretic

[Fish and Bread]

It's hard for me to really take a test like that at this point in my spiritual journey. I see a lot of the orthodox answers as being true as metaphors, even if they aren't necessarily literally true. As a result, it's hard to check them off as being either true or false, since, in a way, they're both for me.

[higgs2]

You scored as Chalcedon compliant.

You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you're not a heretic. You believe that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in every respect, apart from sin. Officially approved in 451.

Wow, I'm not a heretic!:thumbsup: Conservatives, please use some smelling salts and revive yourselves. ;)

[AngCath]

"You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you're not a heretic. You believe that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in every respect, apart from sin. Officially approved in 451."

Chalcedon compliant 100%
Apollanarian 58%
Adoptionist 33%
Nestorianism 33%
Monophysitism 33%
Pelagianism 33%
Gnosticism 17%
Socinianism 0%
Monarchianism 0%
Arianism 0%
Donatism 0%
Albigensianism 0%
Modalism 0%
Docetism 0%

[karen freeinchristman]

Phew!

You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you're not a heretic. You believe that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in every respect, apart from sin. Officially approved in 451.

:clap:

Chalcedon compliant: 83%
Nestorianism: 50%
Monophysitism: 33%
Modalism: 17%
Apollanarian: 17%
All the rest: 0%

[higgs2]

"You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you're not a heretic. You believe that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in every respect, apart from sin. Officially approved in 451."

Chalcedon compliant 100%
Apollanarian 58%
Adoptionist 33%
Nestorianism 33%
Monophysitism 33%
Pelagianism 33%
Gnosticism 17%
Socinianism 0%
Monarchianism 0%
Arianism 0%
Donatism 0%
Albigensianism 0%
Modalism 0%
Docetism 0%
Oh, I didn't keep all the other scores. I wish I had, because I don't really feel like taking it again. Oh well.

[AngCath]

the top one is all that matters anyway :)

[karen freeinchristman]

I don't know what half of those descriptive terms mean, anyway!

[belladonic-haze]

I don't know what half of those descriptive terms mean, anyway!

same here

[TomUK]

Sweet, i'm not a heretic (though i'm sure my chances of getting a girlfriend would be improved if i could say that i have been officially certified as a heretic!)

[AngCath]

^_^ ^_^ ^_^

[PaladinValer]

100% Chalcedonian
0% Everything else.

Perfect orthodox Christian

[masuwerte]

Kewl, I'm Chalcedon compliant. :)

[TomUK]

I know this only a bit of fun, but it's got me thinking. Is it really possible to be only partly heretical? Surely we either heretical or not - there's no inbetween ground.:scratch:

[Diane_Windsor]

It's hard for me to really take a test like that at this point in my spiritual journey. I see a lot of the orthodox answers as being true as metaphors, even if they aren't necessarily literally true. As a result, it's hard to check them off as being either true or false, since, in a way, they're both for me.

I concur.

DIANE
:groupray:

[higgs2]

It's hard for me to really take a test like that at this point in my spiritual journey. I see a lot of the orthodox answers as being true as metaphors, even if they aren't necessarily literally true. As a result, it's hard to check them off as being either true or false, since, in a way, they're both for me.
I've been thinking about this, and I guess I would say that if something is metaphorically true for me then I consider it true in a quiz like this. Or pretty much. I think.

[Wiffey]

I am not a heretic.


:clap:

[pjw]

You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you're not a heretic. You believe that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in every respect, apart from sin. Officially approved in 451.
I am also Nestorian 67% and Monophysite 33%, all the rest were zero. :)

[artrx]

92% Chaledon compliant
Pelagianism and (Modalistic) Monarchianism were the next two (no surprise to me). And then little bits of others.


I see a lot of the orthodox answers as being true as metaphors, even if they aren't necessarily literally true. As a result, it's hard to check them off as being either true or false, since, in a way, they're both for me.

This was difficult for me as well but I just went with my own understanding, and gut feeling, of the terms.

[SeenAndUnseen]

Wow, my post got soooo messed up! Anyway, I got 100% Chalcedonian compliance. Yay! I'm not a heretic!

[PaladinValer]

I know this only a bit of fun, but it's got me thinking. Is it really possible to be only partly heretical? Surely we either heretical or not - there's no inbetween ground.

You are absolutely right.

There is no such thing as "partially heretical." Heresy is heresy, no matter how you cut it.

[pjw]

You are absolutely right.

There is no such thing as "partially heretical." Heresy is heresy, no matter how you cut it.
yes, but a lot of beliefs are shared by different groups, which is how you end up with "partially heretical."

[PaladinValer]

Then how did I get 0% on everything else other than 100% on Chalcedon?

[Tube Socks Dude]

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[pjw]

Then how did I get 0% on everything else other than 100% on Chalcedon?
i've got no idea whatsoever. i'll post my answers, and you tell me if you think there's anything Nestorian or Monophysite whatsoever about them.
1-6: disagree
7: agree
8-20: disagree
21: agree
22-28: disagree
29: agree
30-33: disagree
34: agree
35-40: disagree
41: agree
42: disagree
sorry, you'll have to see what the actual questions are yourself.

[PaladinValer]

pjw, the questions switch around each time you take the poll.

[karen freeinchristman]

Then how did I get 0% on everything else other than 100% on Chalcedon?
Because you are a totally and utterly perfect example of what a Christian walking on Earth should be, PV. ;)

[ChasingADream]

You scored as Chalcedon compliant.

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You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you're not a heretic. You believe that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in every respect, apart from sin. Officially approved in 451.
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83% Chalcedon compliant

83% Nestorianism

67% Modalism

67% Docetism

50% Monophysitism

50% Pelagianism

42% Monarchianism

33% Adoptionist

33% Arianism

17% Donatism

17% Gnosticism

17% Albigensianism

0% Socinianism

0%

[Multi-Elis]

I scored as Pelagianism, so I'm excamunicated in 417.

Actually, this quiz is quite bad, because there are sentinces there with which I agree with one half, but not the other. Secondly, there is no "I don't know/have no oppinion/couldn't care less option.

[Multi-Elis]

Actually, we are all potentially heretics, seeing how many issues are not at all clear in the bible, and most of us can't even read it in the original.

[ChasingADream]

I scored as Pelagianism, so I'm excamunicated in 417.

Actually, this quiz is quite bad, because there are sentinces there with which I agree with one half, but not the other. Secondly, there is no "I don't know/have no oppinion/couldn't care less option.


I thought the same thing. For those I just chose the middle option. But that would make it inaccurate as well. Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

[pjw]

pjw, the questions switch around each time you take the poll.
sorry, didn't realise that. i'll state my beliefs, and you tell me if they're Nestorian or Monophysite.
Therefore, following the holy fathers, we all with one accord teach men to acknowledge one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, at once complete in Godhead and complete in manhood, truly God and truly man, consisting also of a reasonable soul and body; of one substance with the Father as regards his Godhead, and at the same time of one substance with us as regards his manhood; like us in all respects, apart from sin; as regards his Godhead, begotten of the Father before the ages, but yet as regards his manhood begotten, for us men and for our salvation, of Mary the Virgin, the God-bearer; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, recognized in two natures, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the distinction of natures being in no way annulled by the union, but rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming together to form one person and subsistence, not as parted or separated into two persons, but one and the same Son and Only-begotten God the Word, Lord Jesus Christ; even as the prophets from earliest times spoke of him, and our Lord Jesus Christ himself taught us, and the creed of the fathers has handed down to us.
Definition of the Council of Chalcedon.

;)

[PaladinValer]

pjw, someone can say that, but that doesn't mean they understand it.

That quiz, despite some obvious defects, notes this fact.

[UberLutheran]

Here I am: CF's official "liberal Christian", defender of the underdog and the oppressed and going so far as to say, "Whosoever will, may come" (and actually meaning it!), and here is my score:

You are Chalcedon compliant. Congragulations, you're not a heretic. You believe that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in every respect, apart from sin.

Chalcedon compliant: 100%

(Although my beliefs about the Fall of Adam and Eve are thoroughly Palagian, since I believe the story of Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden is a story to explain why things are they way they are, e.g., why we have to work, why we have to suffer, why we have joy, why we live, why we die, etc. -- and sin exists because we are human and therefore we make good and evil choices; and occasionally situations arise where there are no good choices. )

[kiwimac]

Hmm,

You scored as Chalcedon compliant.





You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you're not a heretic. You believe that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in every respect, apart from sin. Officially approved in 451.

Adoptionist 58%
Chalcedon compliant 58%
Pelagianism 50%
Monarchianism 42%
Apollanarian 42%
Monophysitism 33%
Nestorianism 25%
Arianism 25%
Albigensianism 25%
Modalism 25%
Docetism 17%
Gnosticism 8%
Socinianism 0%
Donatism 0%

Kiwimac

[pjw]

pjw, someone can say that, but that doesn't mean they understand it.
how many of us do truly understand it? it is one of the profound mysteries of the Christian faith, how the One who was truly and eternally the only-begotten Son, the Word of God Who was God, became a true Man, while remaining at the same time true God, Who was miraculously conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of a Virgin, Who had both a sinless human Nature and a divine Nature, a human Will and a divine Will, and yet was not two persons but One, how one woman could be so blessed as to bear the Son of God in her womb, and how He could condescend to be born of a woman, and the implications all of this have in God's plan for the salvation of mankind.

[belladonic-haze]

Sweet, i'm not a heretic (though i'm sure my chances of getting a girlfriend would be improved if i could say that i have been officially certified as a heretic!)

:D :D :D

[PaladinValer]

pwj, we can tell what is heresy by what the Holy Spirit has told the Church through logical deduction.

Such as since St. Mary the Virgin is the Theotokos according to the Holy Spirit, she therefore must be the Mother of God.

[pjw]

pwj, we can tell what is heresy by what the Holy Spirit has told the Church through logical deduction.

Such as since St. Mary the Virgin is the Theotokos according to the Holy Spirit, she therefore must be the Mother of God.
of course St. Mary is the Theotokos, she bore God in her womb, she nursed Him, cared for Him, taught Him, this is what a mother does.
Virgin Theotokos, rejoice! O Mary, Full of Grace; the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, for thou hast borne the Savior of our souls.

[PaladinValer]

But do you see what I mean? I do not deny in the Holy Mysteries; what I deny is using "Holy Mystery" as a shield against rational thought. :)

[artrx]

Hmm,

You scored as Chalcedon compliant.





You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you're not a heretic. You believe that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in every respect, apart from sin. Officially approved in 451.

Adoptionist 58%
Chalcedon compliant 58%
Pelagianism 50%
Monarchianism 42%
Apollanarian 42%
Monophysitism 33%
Nestorianism 25%
Arianism 25%
Albigensianism 25%
Modalism 25%
Docetism 17%
Gnosticism 8%
Socinianism 0%
Donatism 0%

Kiwimac

Does anyone know what adoptionist is?

[pjw]

But do you see what I mean? I do not deny in the Holy Mysteries; what I deny is using "Holy Mystery" as a shield against rational thought. :)
now i see what you mean. :) i was just saying that, like the Trinity, the incarnation of Christ is a mystery that none of us can truly understand. that's not to say we shouldn't try to understand it and the implications it has for Christianity, but it is still something our human minds can't comprehend without God revealing it to us. :)

[higgs2]

But do you see what I mean? I do not deny in the Holy Mysteries; what I deny is using "Holy Mystery" as a shield against rational thought. :)
I can certainly agree with you on that.

[PaladinValer]

Adoptionalism is a rather nasty heresy that denies Christ His Divinity. Instead, it teaches that Jesus became the Messiah upon His Baptism. He is no longer Divine at all, God simply picks Him as his unique son (since we are all His daughters and sons), who is simply given grace and power instead of having it inherently.

It is impossible for Christians to believe in.

[artrx]

Thanks, PaladinVader. :) I remember now.

[gtsecc]

You scored as Chalcedon compliant.


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You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you're not a heretic. You believe that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in every respect, apart from sin. Officially approved in 451.
Chalcedon compliant 92%
Pelagianism58%
Monophysitism33%
Monarchianism25%
Modalism17%
Apollanarian17%
Arianism0%
Adoptionist0%
Docetism0%
Gnosticism0%
Nestorianism%
Albigensianism%
Socinianism0%
Donatism0%

[belladonic-haze]

You scored as Pelagianism.


You are a Pelagian. You reject ideas about man's fallen human nature and believe that as a result we are able to fully obey God. You are the first Briton to contribute significantly to Christian thought, but you're still excommunicated in 417.
Pelagianism 75%
Socinianism 67%
Monarchianism 67%
Modalism 58%
Adoptionist 50%
Arianism 42%
Nestorianism 42%
Gnosticism 33%
Monophysitism 33%
Chalcedon compliant 33%
Docetism 17%
Apollanarian 17%
Albigensianism 0%
Donatism 0 %


OOPS:sorry:

All these -isms make my head spin.....

[AngCath]

yes yes their are quite a few of them

[Fish and Bread]

Adoptionalism is a rather nasty heresy

Does it bite and scratch, or just say mean things to people? ;)

[higgs2]

Does it bite and scratch, or just say mean things to people? ;)


:D Thank you for saying this, I was wondering something similar! ^_^ :P

[PaladinValer]

F+B, no, but it does reduce Jesus to being ineffective as a Messiah. That is what makes it a nasty heresy.

For definition of the other heresies:

1. Pelagianism is the heresy that basically states works-alone are needed for salvation. Jesus was merely a role-model to follow.

2. Modalism, also known as Sabellianism, is a Trinitarian heresy. It denies that God is One Substance that exists as Three Persons all at once (or, to put it another way, God is Three Persons existing together made of the same One Substance).

3. Donatism is the heresy that declares priests and laypeople, once they sin, their orders and baptism are nullified utterably. In other words, they would have to be rebaptized and reordained. Personal piety is what makes the sacraments valid, not holy office anymore.

4. Monophysitism is a Christological heresy that declares Jesus has only one nature, be it human or divine, but not both.

5. Arianism is a Trinitarian and Christological heresy that declares that God the Son is a created being, who is only divine and is completely seperate from the Father.

6. Nestorianism is a Christological heresy that denies Jesus was God right at conception as well as divides His natures to the point of complete separation. In other words, it says St. Mary the Theotokos is really only Christokos, the mother only of Jesus' humanity, not both His humanity and Divinity.

7.Gnosticism is a soteriological heresy, which states that salvation is dependent on special knowledge, which only those God chooses will receive. In addition, it is dualistic and decries matter as evil. Jesus the man was possessed by the Divine Son.

8. Docetism is a Christological heresy that denies the physical nature of Jesus. Jesus' body was but an illusion. Like Gnosticism, dualism is considered doctrine.

9. Apollinarianism (this was incorrectly spelled in the quiz) is also a Christological heresy, stating that Jesus, like all people, is tri-part. He had a human body and human soul, but whose "spirit" ("mind" is the closest parallel we have) was replaced by the Divine Logos.

10. Socinianism is a Christological and Trinitarian heresy. God is only One Person; the Holy Spirit is simply the Power of the Father. Jesus is a deified man, but shouldn't be worshiped, and was not naturally Divine. In other words, God the Son never always existed, and is lesser than God.

11. Monarchianism is very similar to Modalism/Sabellianism and Socinianism. There is God the Father, and Jesus is the Messiah, but He was only human; denied of a Divine Nature. The Holy Spirit is simply the force of God.

12. Albigensianism is a direct relation of Gnosticism. It teaches that the Devil created all things physical and God all things spiritual. The Devil can also be identified with the God of the Old Testament (Jesus was the snake!)

Of course, these are very simple definitions and there are far, far more heresies. My advise is to learn as much as possible so that you know what heresies are and thus, you can avoid them.

[artrx]

MY advice is also to learn as much as possible about them so you can understand the different and much more complex perspectives of each rather than relying on simplistic definitions. These short definitions vary, as did the cultures from which these heresies arose.

[pjw]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PaladinValer again.
why is it always with you, polycarp01, contramundum, and pmcleanj??? i'm getting sick of it.

[belladonic-haze]

F+B, no, but it does reduce Jesus to being ineffective as a Messiah. That is what makes it a nasty heresy.

For definition of the other heresies:

1. Pelagianism is the heresy that basically states works-alone are needed for salvation. Jesus was merely a role-model to follow.

2. Modalism, also known as Sabellianism, is a Trinitarian heresy. It denies that God is One Substance that exists as Three Persons all at once (or, to put it another way, God is Three Persons existing together made of the same One Substance).

3. Donatism is the heresy that declares priests and laypeople, once they sin, their orders and baptism are nullified utterably. In other words, they would have to be rebaptized and reordained. Personal piety is what makes the sacraments valid, not holy office anymore.

4. Monophysitism is a Christological heresy that declares Jesus has only one nature, be it human or divine, but not both.

5. Arianism is a Trinitarian and Christological heresy that declares that God the Son is a created being, who is only divine and is completely seperate from the Father.

6. Nestorianism is a Christological heresy that denies Jesus was God right at conception as well as divides His natures to the point of complete separation. In other words, it says St. Mary the Theotokos is really only Christokos, the mother only of Jesus' humanity, not both His humanity and Divinity.

7.Gnosticism is a soteriological heresy, which states that salvation is dependent on special knowledge, which only those God chooses will receive. In addition, it is dualistic and decries matter as evil. Jesus the man was possessed by the Divine Son.

8. Docetism is a Christological heresy that denies the physical nature of Jesus. Jesus' body was but an illusion. Like Gnosticism, dualism is considered doctrine.

9. Apollinarianism (this was incorrectly spelled in the quiz) is also a Christological heresy, stating that Jesus, like all people, is tri-part. He had a human body and human soul, but whose "spirit" ("mind" is the closest parallel we have) was replaced by the Divine Logos.

10. Socinianism is a Christological and Trinitarian heresy. God is only One Person; the Holy Spirit is simply the Power of the Father. Jesus is a deified man, but shouldn't be worshiped, and was not naturally Divine. In other words, God the Son never always existed, and is lesser than God.

11. Monarchianism is very similar to Modalism/Sabellianism and Socinianism. There is God the Father, and Jesus is the Messiah, but He was only human; denied of a Divine Nature. The Holy Spirit is simply the force of God.

12. Albigensianism is a direct relation of Gnosticism. It teaches that the Devil created all things physical and God all things spiritual. The Devil can also be identified with the God of the Old Testament (Jesus was the snake!)

Of course, these are very simple definitions and there are far, far more heresies. My advise is to learn as much as possible so that you know what heresies are and thus, you can avoid them.


:bow: Thank you for explaining these -isms!!!!!;)

[karen freeinchristman]

MY advice is also to learn as much as possible about them so you can understand the different and much more complex perspectives of each rather than relying on simplistic definitions. These short definitions vary, as did the cultures from which these heresies arose.That's a good point, artrx!
I appreciate PV's short descriptions of the heresies, and learning more about them is good advice (as PV also stated at the end of his post).

[dragon79]

Sweet, i'm not a heretic (though i'm sure my chances of getting a girlfriend would be improved if i could say that i have been officially certified as a heretic!)

LOL, nice one Tom!! :thumbsup:

[dragon79]

Thanks for that list Paladin, i studied most of those heresies, but i forgot some of them, thanks for reminding me.

[Mick116]

You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you're not a heretic. You believe that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in every respect, apart from sin. Officially approved in 451.

[PaladinValer]

MY advice is also to learn as much as possible about them so you can understand the different and much more complex perspectives of each rather than relying on simplistic definitions. These short definitions vary, as did the cultures from which these heresies arose.

Are you suggesting that heresy is okay? I could be more detailed in my definitions...is that what you are referring to? You are being a little too ambiguous.

I'd be more than happy to list other heresies and why they are heretical as well, if anyone is interested.

[artrx]

Are you suggesting that heresy is okay? I could be more detailed in my definitions...is that what you are referring to? You are being a little too ambiguous.

I suppose I was being a bit ambiguous. The funny thing about heresy is that it is (from the dictionary) "an opnion or belief that condradicts established authority" or "traditional theory". Not God (unless you are RC?). There we get into murky waters. Whose tradition? Whose authority? Whose interpretation of that "authority"? I have great respect for most Church "authorities" (I include theologians, mystics, monks, nuns, priests). But there is a great variety of ideas between them.

Some early misunderstandings were influenced by cultural differences and lack of communication. Pelagius' ideas were accepted in the Eastern church because the synergistic piety of the East allowed for human cooperation in salvation. The West took his ideas to an extreem, believing him to have said salvation could be achieved by human efforts alone. Pelagius on the other hand was offended by teachings that seemed to make God responsible for human failings.

When I was in the process of being confirmed in the Episcopal Church, my father was very concerned and worried about my falling into "heresy". He was so concerned that he talked with the pastor of the church I grew up in about his fears for my salvation. He now appreciates aspects of our worship that are missing in his church and we have wonderful conversations about our similarities and differences of interpretation. Niether one of us considers the other heretical.

I believe that we are created with different personalities to capture the many ways of God that one person or one set of people never can. A personal emphasis on a more literal interpretation of scripture or a more metaphorical one, Aquinas' reason or mysticism, three in One or One in three modes, the social gospel or personal piety...and the list goes on.

Yes, there are perimeters but I believe they are a bit more porous than I think you do. And I am uncomfortable putting human limits on my Creator. Now I'll get off my soap box;) . My views will also evolve, as the Creator continues to guide me along. These forums and all of those I am learning from and about through cyberspace are a blessing as well.