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Cre8
1st February 2006, 04:19 AM
The Circular Argument is so persuasive that many people seldom realize the error, no matter how often it’s pointed out to them. In younger years I honestly thought that a circular argument was valid, or didn’t even realize that it was circular in the first place. What is a circular argument?
When a series of statements in an argument is made such that the conclusion is assumed in one or more of the premises, the argument is circular. For example, “The Bible is the true, perfect and inerrant word of God. How do I know this? Because the Bible says so.”
More info: http://www.realityspoken.com/
Andry
1st February 2006, 04:25 AM
And your point is?
BillR
1st February 2006, 12:50 PM
Can't wait to hear it. :thumbsup:
Advent Christian
1st February 2006, 01:25 PM
Ok may be I am blind. How dose one get that the Bible is circular logic?:confused:
I always interpreted it as a lineal guide leading people to Christ and the Will of God.:thumbsup:
Like I said, maybe I am simplistic.
As always my love to all and May God Bless. :prayer:
indagroove
1st February 2006, 01:58 PM
The Circular Argument is so persuasive that many people seldom realize the error, no matter how often it’s pointed out to them. In younger years I honestly thought that a circular argument was valid, or didn’t even realize that it was circular in the first place. What is a circular argument?
When a series of statements in an argument is made such that the conclusion is assumed in one or more of the premises, the argument is circular. For example, “The Bible is the true, perfect and inerrant word of God. How do I know this? Because the Bible says so.”
More info: http://www.realityspoken.com/
It can look circular, as with many things.
Fortunetly we have the ability to use our brains and apply analytical logic to the bible. It is this logic that governs the truth.
Such things as.
Reliability of the Ancient Manuscripts
Passion of the Ancient Writers
The test of the Prophecy
Archaeology that supports the history
The synoptic teachings
The thing is, each of us has to use our own abilities to discern what is real, or not.
I didn't believe the bible until I studied it. And there is no way to deny the truth once it is reveiled. To do that would require tossing all logic out the window.
God Bless.
knownbeforetime
1st February 2006, 03:09 PM
The Circular Argument is so persuasive that many people seldom realize the error, no matter how often it’s pointed out to them. In younger years I honestly thought that a circular argument was valid, or didn’t even realize that it was circular in the first place. What is a circular argument?
When a series of statements in an argument is made such that the conclusion is assumed in one or more of the premises, the argument is circular. For example, “The Bible is the true, perfect and inerrant word of God. How do I know this? Because the Bible says so.”
More info: http://www.realityspoken.com/
Thankfully, the Bible is not the only testimony we have to go on. We have billions of people who can testify that God is perfect...
jad123
1st February 2006, 03:43 PM
The Circular Argument is so persuasive that many people seldom realize the error, no matter how often it’s pointed out to them. In younger years I honestly thought that a circular argument was valid, or didn’t even realize that it was circular in the first place. What is a circular argument?
When a series of statements in an argument is made such that the conclusion is assumed in one or more of the premises, the argument is circular. For example, “The Bible is the true, perfect and inerrant word of God. How do I know this? Because the Bible says so.”
More info: http://www.realityspoken.com/
The Bible itself is not a circular arguement but at times the people arguing use a circular argument when they don't have to.
1. Scriptures have been proven to be reliable historical documents thus establishing the Bible as a true and valid historical record.
2. Christianity exploded after the resurrection of Christ. The diciples fled in fear prior to His resurrection and yet practically overnight came out of hiding.
3. The Old Testament prophesis were fulfilled by Jesus.
4. And for me the best proof of all - The day I accepted Christ.
prophecystudent
1st February 2006, 03:55 PM
The Bible itself is not a circular arguement but at times the people arguing use a circular argument when they don't have to.
1. Scriptures have been proven to be reliable historical documents thus establishing the Bible as a true and valid historical record.
2. Christianity exploded after the resurrection of Christ. The diciples fled in fear prior to His resurrection and yet practically overnight came out of hiding.
3. The Old Testament prophesis were fulfilled by Jesus.
4. And for me the best proof of all - The day I accepted Christ.
AMEN AND AMEN.
I have spent a fair amount of time studying the bible. I can tell you all that the more I study the clearer it becomes. But, I must also say that it helps immensely to read what recognized bible scholars have to say, and what their studies have shown them to be the truth.
The bible is the Word of God, no circular logic there. The confusion comes from people making judgements based on incomplete, or inaccurate knowledge of the scriptures and scriptural history.
Fred
HypnoToad
1st February 2006, 05:34 PM
Cre8 -
One thing to think about: suppose, just for the sake of argument for a moment, that the Bible is the Word of God. What higher authority could it appeal to? It could not say "this is God's word because so-and-so professors and experts and historians say so ..." If Scripture is God's Word, all human authority is beneath it, and therefore could not be authoritative over it. So Scripture could not appeal to any higher authority over itself to claim to be God's Word. It only has itself, as God's Word, as the only authority it can appeal to.
JonF
1st February 2006, 06:50 PM
Any deductive argument that offers evidence for God existing is circular. Any deductive argument that offers evidence against God existing is circular. Including citing the bible as the word of God.
Forest
1st February 2006, 08:44 PM
For example, “The Bible is the true, perfect and inerrant word of God. How do I know this? Because the Bible says so.”
Who actually believes the bible just because the bible says you should believe it?
There are many other reasons to believe the bible.
Everlastinglife
1st February 2006, 10:18 PM
Proverbs 10:8,"The wise in heart accept commands, but a chattering fool comes to ruin."
Proverbs 17:28, "Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue."
God Bless.
Svt4Him
2nd February 2006, 01:49 AM
The Circular Argument is so persuasive that many people seldom realize the error, no matter how often it’s pointed out to them. In younger years I honestly thought that a circular argument was valid, or didn’t even realize that it was circular in the first place. What is a circular argument?
When a series of statements in an argument is made such that the conclusion is assumed in one or more of the premises, the argument is circular. For example, “The Bible is the true, perfect and inerrant word of God. How do I know this? Because the Bible says so.”
More info: http://www.realityspoken.com/
Do you know this whole post is actually a fallacy as well? Weird how anyone can use these darn fallacies to try and support a belief.
Svt4Him
2nd February 2006, 01:50 AM
oops
JonF
2nd February 2006, 01:53 AM
Do you mean his url contains fallacies? Otherwise he doesn’t even have an argument, let alone a fallacy.
JonF
2nd February 2006, 01:54 AM
Proverbs 10:8,"The wise in heart accept commands, but a chattering fool comes to ruin."
Proverbs 17:28, "Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue."
God Bless.:scratch: Irony++
Browneyes84
2nd February 2006, 05:30 PM
I'm just wondering but while you're at it, shouldnt you include the Vedas, the Torah, the Q'uron and other holy texts as part of circular logic? or are you just biased towards Christians, because keep in mind we arent the only ones who believe that we have a unique revelation of truth.
Anti-Fear
2nd February 2006, 06:57 PM
The Circular Argument is so persuasive that many people seldom realize the error, no matter how often it’s pointed out to them. In younger years I honestly thought that a circular argument was valid, or didn’t even realize that it was circular in the first place. What is a circular argument?
When a series of statements in an argument is made such that the conclusion is assumed in one or more of the premises, the argument is circular. For example, “The Bible is the true, perfect and inerrant word of God. How do I know this? Because the Bible says so.”
More info: http://www.realityspoken.com/
You are wrong. I think you dont know enough about Bible and Christianity. Few Christians say that Bible is true because it says so itself. People know Bible is true because the Holy Spirit of God shows them Bible is true when they read it and ask to understand it.
Svt4Him
3rd February 2006, 04:04 AM
Do you mean his url contains fallacies? Otherwise he doesn’t even have an argument, let alone a fallacy.
Well it's a generalization that is not proven, and it then becomes a strawman. Statements that are made that are not factual to support a belief that is wrong is in fact a fallacy, even if not presented as an argument. So yes, the op is a fallacy.
Here is an example of a fallacy that is neither a statement nor an argument: Do you still beat your wife?
Andry
3rd February 2006, 01:59 PM
I'm still waiting for the thread starter to respond.......:confused:
Stan53
3rd February 2006, 02:34 PM
I guess the question would/could be is it important, circular logic I mean. To me it's not. Who really cares. I don't. People are laways going to come up with some good reason to avoid God. It's the nature of man. At the end of the day I look for those who will listen and leave those who wont.
SteelDisciple
3rd February 2006, 04:08 PM
The Circular Argument is so persuasive that many people seldom realize the error, no matter how often it’s pointed out to them. In younger years I honestly thought that a circular argument was valid, or didn’t even realize that it was circular in the first place. What is a circular argument?
When a series of statements in an argument is made such that the conclusion is assumed in one or more of the premises, the argument is circular. For example, “The Bible is the true, perfect and inerrant word of God. How do I know this? Because the Bible says so.”
More info: http://www.realityspoken.com/
check your PRivate Messages for the answer.
Xelsorsior
4th February 2006, 01:45 PM
Any deductive argument that offers evidence for God existing is circular. Any deductive argument that offers evidence against God existing is circular. Including citing the bible as the word of God.
You must have read my final term paper on Circlitorianism, published in 1996, for a study on the universes known use of circular motion. The paper is in defence of Christianity, not in offense against.
I understand your point of view since you live in a circular universe. Expand your horizens, be vertical and horizontal, abtuse and acute, be well and learn from scholars the indepth studies that lay before you, namely The Scriptures. It is the vanity of man to think that God could have only created a circular motion of existence verses many other forms of Knowledge. Circular is one form, have wisdom, be insightful, think of God as all powerful, all knowing and all present. This should give to you a new start and allow Gods Will to be more than just Circular in your mind.
Greetings unto you in Jesus Christs' name.
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