Why women shouldn't teach:

[ronmathison]

(Here's some reasons I feel the bible says that women shouldn't teach, other than EVE being the one deceived, and NOT Adam)

For now:

In 1 Timothy 5: 11-14

Women (not men) are singled out as liable to be:

idle, gossips, busybodies, and speaking things NOT PROPER.


Does this sound like a good teacher to you?

If so, I do disagree with your theology.

At any rate, have a nice day.

:)

[rosiecotton]

(Here's some reasons I feel the bible says that women shouldn't teach, other than EVE being the one deceived, and NOT Adam)

For now:

In 1 Timothy 5: 11-14

Women (not men) are singled out as liable to be:

idle, gossips, busybodies, and speaking things NOT PROPER.


Does this sound like a good teacher to you?

If so, I do disagree with your theology.

At any rate, have a nice day.

:)

:sigh:

[bellantara]

(Here's some reasons I feel the bible says that women shouldn't teach, other than EVE being the one deceived, and NOT Adam)

For now:

In 1 Timothy 5: 11-14

Women (not men) are singled out as liable to be:

idle, gossips, busybodies, and speaking things NOT PROPER.


Does this sound like a good teacher to you?

If so, I do disagree with your theology.

At any rate, have a nice day.

:)

Is that all you've got?? :sigh:

[ronmathison]

Is that all you've got?? :sigh:

Nope.


Here's more:


In 1 Timothy 4:7,


Timothy is urged to refuse:


Old WOMANISH tales.


(Aha!)


Have a nice day.

:)

[didaskalos]

You think that Adam knowing full well what he was doing (and doing it anyways) was a good thing? Blaming Eve was a good thing?

[CrazyforYeshua]

Really, when God asked Adam why, he said "you know that woman you gave me? it was her fault". Coward :P

[daverain]

.


Good stuff, bro.

(Here's why I feel the bible forbids women to teach)


Picture if you will:

A pride filled arrogant woman,


holding a bible in one hand,


continually


-SCREAMING-

-FURIOUSLY- ,

at a poor-helpless emotionally distraught man


(and it's -ONLY- men that this type does it to) ,


continually telling him

how utterly

wretched and pathetic


he is,

all the while, her eyes filled with pure vile

-EVIL HATRED-.


Does this type of woman sound familliar to anyone?


To me,

such a

-WITCH-

is likened to a

-FOUL BEAST- ,

who's ony purpose

is to shove others int the very fiey depths of

-HELL- .

(Ah but, I surmise however, that -HER- punishment shall be one

hundred fold of what her victims receive) .


Peace in Christ.


.

[holo]

Cretans shouldn't be allowed to teach either, since they are, according to God's Word, "always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons."

[holo]

And of course, the teacher being male, he can obviously be trusted more than a woman ever could, since it's in his nature to speak the truth and not be subject to any bad trait.

[Randi]

wow... I'm sorry but that's NOT why women can't teach. Men have problems too...the things you mentioned are called SIN. Everyone sins, men and women. The reason women shouldn't teach is because they are to be in submission (which doesn't belittle them at all...Christ is in submission to God the Father) Women are not inferior to men, and they don't sin more than men do.

This also doesn't mean that women "can't teach". We have our teaching roles- other women and children. Sometimes we even teach men, just not in a worship setting where we would be seen as authority.

[ronmathison]

wow... I'm sorry but that's NOT why women can't teach.



Women are not inferior to men




The following is from The Greek Interlinear New Testament:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1 Timothy 2:11


a woman but to teach, NOT I ALLOW

nor to excersise authority of a man,

but to be in SILENCE.


Adam for first was formed, then Eve.


And Adam

NOT was deceived,


the but woman being deceived

in transgression has become.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Praise God for His word.

Have a nice day.

:)

[Stinker]

The reason the Apostle Paul had to restrict former women pagan worshippers from teaching in the assemblies is answered in this link:

http://www.churchofgoddfw.com/monthly/paul&women.shtml

[Stinker]

(Here's some reasons I feel the bible says that women shouldn't teach, other than EVE being the one deceived, and NOT Adam)

For now:

In 1 Timothy 5: 11-14

Women (not men) are singled out as liable to be:

idle, gossips, busybodies, and speaking things NOT PROPER.


Does this sound like a good teacher to you?

If so, I do disagree with your theology.

At any rate, have a nice day.

:)

You left out what comes before:

1 Timothy 5:3-10 (New International Version)

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3Give proper recognition to those widows who are really in need. 4But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God. 5The widow who is really in need and left all alone puts her hope in God and continues night and day to pray and to ask God for help. 6But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives. 7Give the people these instructions, too, so that no one may be open to blame. 8If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. 9No widow may be put on the list of widows unless she is over sixty, has been faithful to her husband,[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Tim.5:3-10;&version=31;#fen-NIV-29757a)] 10and is well known for her good deeds, such as bringing up children, showing hospitality, washing the feet of the saints, helping those in trouble and devoting herself to all kinds of good deeds.

[knownbeforetime]

(Here's some reasons I feel the bible says that women shouldn't teach, other than EVE being the one deceived, and NOT Adam)

For now:

In 1 Timothy 5: 11-14

Women (not men) are singled out as liable to be:

idle, gossips, busybodies, and speaking things NOT PROPER.


Does this sound like a good teacher to you?

If so, I do disagree with your theology.

At any rate, have a nice day.

:)Then I better find a man who can knock me up and set me straight!

I didn't know how wretched I was until you posted that.

Thanks!

Good stuff, bro.

(Here's why I feel the bible forbids women to teach)


Picture if you will:

A pride filled arrogant woman,


holding a bible in one hand,


continually


-SCREAMING-

-FURIOUSLY- ,

at a poor-helpless emotionally distraught man


(and it's -ONLY- men that this type does it to) ,


continually telling him

how utterly

wretched and pathetic


he is,

all the while, her eyes filled with pure vile

-EVIL HATRED-.


Does this type of woman sound familliar to anyone?


To me,

such a

-WITCH-

is likened to a

-FOUL BEAST- ,

who's ony purpose

is to shove others int the very fiey depths of

-HELL- .

(Ah but, I surmise however, that -HER- punishment shall be one

hundred fold of what her victims receive) .


Peace in Christ.Picture, if you will

A prideful arrogant man

holding a bible in one hand

continually screaming

at poor helpless women

continually telling them

how utterly wretched and pathetic

she is

Does this man sound familiar?

I think he does...

[Randi]

The following is from The Greek Interlinear New Testament:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1 Timothy 2:11


a woman but to teach, NOT I ALLOW

nor to excersise authority of a man,

but to be in SILENCE.


Adam for first was formed, then Eve.


And Adam

NOT was deceived,


the but woman being deceived

in transgression has become.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Praise God for His word.

Have a nice day.

:)

I really don't think that proved your point...I didn't say women should have authority over man. In fact, you should note that I said women are to be in submission to men like Christ is to God. God has a perfect plan, the reason he put women in submission to man is actually saying a lot about women, that they have a powerful role through doing that. It doesn't mean women are evil...as you seem to want to make it look like. :scratch: :confused: Anyway... :sigh:

[talitha]

http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/photoessay_336_images/031805_schiavo3.jpg.

[ronmathison]

You think that Adam knowing full well what he was doing (and doing it anyways) was a good thing? Blaming Eve was a good thing?

The way I see it:

Eve was alone when deceived by the serpent.

Then later when she was with Adam :

As her man gasped in shock,

she took from it's fruit, and ate:

Adam obviously also ate from it,

merely so he wouldn't be

seperated from his woman.


Perhaps Adam should not have eaten from the fruit,

and instead, just treated her like one of his beasts,

and visited her outside of the garden, now and then.

At any rate,

have a nice day.

:)

[Evangelica]

Lots of base people here. There is neither male nor female Christians. There is only one Teacher and that is Christ. What people have discribed here are all people.

[talitha]

amen, mishi! well said!

[BrEnDiNo99]

what makes a woman more different from a man? A woman can deliever a messeage just the same as anyone else can they are human beings who are capable of expression in anyway god made them that way and gave them gifts to do many things just as men have the gift to do many things. Your opinion stinks buddy.

[MsAnne]

Gosh - no bitter, female dominated men posting here. Nosirree.

[Nienor]

Someone once pointed out to me that God told only Adam not to eat of the Tree. Eve hadn't been created yet. So there was likely a communication between Adam and Eve, perhaps Adam didn't stress the importance of what God had said enough. I thought that was interesting at least

[Jebediah]

Galatians 3:28: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

[gotekk]

Sounds like YOU are angry at women....

[Jebediah]

Sounds like YOU are angry at women....

Which you?

[rosiecotton]

As I stated in my previous thread concerning this:
I think some people need to read more carefully how JESUS treated women! He never belittled them, made them feel inferior, or treated them like they were stupid.
If I remember correctly, it was, yeah, a woman He first appeared to when He arose and trusted her to go tell others.

[Cogito]

I believe everyone should be treated as an individual with positive unique qualities, seperate from sex, looks etc... If they can do the job and they choose to do it, they should be supported and not opposed.

[lunalinda]

The way I see it:

Eve was alone when deceived by the serpent.

Then later when she was with Adam :

As her man gasped in shock,

she took from it's fruit, and ate:

Adam obviously also ate from it,

merely so he wouldn't be

seperated from his woman.Hmm, so why does the actual Bible say that Adam was with her then? "She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate." Genesis 3:6 NKJV All other versions say remarkably close to the same thing. Which translation do YOU read? The Ron version? There is no Eve meeting up with him "later." He was with her while she was being deceived and did nothing to stop her, being the oh so big all-knowing powerful man that he was. There is no gasp on his part, and there's nothing about him eating simply becase he didn't want to be separated from his woman. And even if that WAS in there (which it isn't), Adam still isn't looking too good since that's still purposeful disobedience on his part. Eve was the one deceived, but that doesn't put Adam in the clear at all because Adam still seemingly knew what he was doing. He "heeded the voice" of his wife and chose to disobey God's direct command, even when he KNEW what God wanted of him.


Perhaps Adam should not have eaten from the fruit,

and instead, just treated her like one of his beasts,

and visited her outside of the garden, now and then.

At any rate,

have a nice day.

:) Heh oh yeah, you've got bitterness and "I hate women" written all over you by these statements alone, though I kinda already suspected as much since it was already evident by all your other postings I've seen in the past on this subject. And since the other thread was locked, I guess you felt the need to start another one at another forum, eh? :doh:

[lunalinda]

Someone once pointed out to me that God told only Adam not to eat of the Tree. Eve hadn't been created yet. So there was likely a communication between Adam and Eve, perhaps Adam didn't stress the importance of what God had said enough. I thought that was interesting at leastI had heard that too. In fact, I think I actually read it in a marriage book that was on the subject of communication. Furthermore, as I was just reading all the relative verses in the Bible, I saw something that might possibly support this claim. God spoke of the surpent's curse and the woman's curse without saying much of anything beforehand. But to Adam, he specifically says, "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you..." Genesis 3:17 And even when God was in the garden, he only called out to Adam (not both Adam and Eve). Going back even further than that, Eve seemingly didn't even KNOW that the tree was the knowledge of good and evil. She seemingly only knew the basics: that it was a tree that shouldn't be eaten from because she'd die. That left a big ol' hole for the serpent to fill and filled it he did. Didn't Adam better inform her of what the Tree was? If the serpent is telling her what the tree was, why didn't she know that already? Did God or Adam forget to add in that little detail? I dunno. Of course, I don't think this is totally correct nor totally wrong and I don't wanna be guilty of adding things to the Bible like some people might do. But...it's another interesting perspective. Eve was still deceived unfortunately, but things could have been done on Adam's part to prevent that deception, right? *shrug*

[WalksWithChrist]

Some very good replies here that demonstrate a good understanding of men and women and their relationship to Jesus.
Here's some more to consider:
http://www.godswordtowomen.org/studies/articles/Preato2.htm
http://users.stargate.net/~ejt/women1.htm
http://www.alabaster-jars.com/womenindex.html

[knownbeforetime]

Thanks for the reps, WalksWithChrist!:clap:

[WalksWithChrist]

Thanks for the reps, WalksWithChrist!:clap:
You're very welcome! : D

[prophecystudent]

I just came across this thread and find it fascinating. Ref: Eve in the garden,

The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "

This indicates fairly clearly that Eve was aware of the restriction and the penalty for violating it. However, that does not address the original topic.

Personally, I see no substantial reason for a qualified woman to teach. As far as the original posting goes, there is a reason for telling some "harpy" to be silent. Continual confrontation and negative attitudes/speech tear down the group where it occurs. Having said that, men do just as much of that sort of thing as women do.

In closing, does the word "troll" come to mind?

Fred

[fuzzycraig]

Deborah was placed by GOD to judge His people for their sin. (judges 4)
you are not looking at who is being written to, or the time it was written, both things you need to understand the whole text. I know men with the same flaws that have no business teaching either yet they do.

your mind is closed so you can't be taught anything anyway, by man or woman!

[ronmathison]

Galatians 3:28: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

That verse is referring to SALVATION.

In other words, Jews , Greeks , slaves , males , and females can all be saved.


Otherwise same-sex marriages would be o.k. with God.

After all, there is neither male nor female.


(Same sex marriages are NOT o.k. with God, btw)


In any event,

have a nice day.

:)

[ronmathison]

Hmm, so why does the actual Bible say that Adam was with her then?

It says he was with her WHEN SHE ATE THE FRUIT (no doubt to his shock, and horror),

The bible does NOT say he was with her when she was deceived by the serpent.

[Jebediah]

A priest I listened to speak said quoted an ECF who said:

"I have much more respect for Eve than Adam. Eve was convinced by Satan, a higher angel, to sin. Adam just listened to a woman."

[ronmathison]

Deborah was placed by GOD to judge His people for their sin. (judges 4)


That's in The OLD COVENANT.

We're in The NEW COVENANT now.


In the Old Covenant (Numbers 22:30),

God used a donkey to teach Balaam.


Do you feel that DONKEYS should be placed

behind pulpits to teach?


If so, I do disagree with your theology.

In any event,

have a nice day.

:)

[ronmathison]

Women CAN serve God TREMENDOUSLY in ways besides merely trying to instruct men:

I know of a woman who's a terrific janitor in a non-denominational Sunday building.

She keeps that place SPOTLESS, so to speak.

Praise God indeed for her wonderful service.

Amen?


In any event,

have a nice day.

:)

[WalksWithChrist]

That's in The OLD COVENANT.

We're in The NEW COVENANT now.


In the Old Covenant (Numbers 22:30),

God used a donkey to teach Balaam.


Do you feel that DONKEYS should be placed

behind pulpits to teach?


If so, I do disagree with your theology.

In any event,

have a nice day.

:)
Care to take a close look at what I posted in post #30 and make a reply? It's a lot to read but worth the effort.

[WalksWithChrist]

Women CAN serve God TREMENDOUSLY in ways besides merely trying to instruct men:

I know of a woman who's a terrific janitor in a non-denominational Sunday building.

She keeps that place SPOTLESS, so to speak.

Praise God indeed for her wonderful service.

Amen?


In any event,

have a nice day.

:)
So please enlighten us. What other jobs can women do that would be pleasing to you? I can't wait to hear this...

[ronmathison]

There is only one Teacher and that is Christ. What people have discribed here are all people.



Amen.

Please notice that I have NOT said that men should teach.


I've only emphasised that women should NOT teach men.

Our teacher is to be God, alone.

Here's a link to a new thread of mine (about Who our teacher is to be: http://www.christianforums.com/t2559622-who-are-we-to-learn-from.html#post21687761 )

[Jebediah]

Women CAN serve God TREMENDOUSLY in ways besides merely trying to instruct men:

I know of a woman who's a terrific janitor in a non-denominational Sunday building.

She keeps that place SPOTLESS, so to speak.

Praise God indeed for her wonderful service.

Amen?


In any event,

have a nice day.

:)
So...seeing the general tone of the OP, anyone else starting to think this is just a misogynist trying to provoke people and laughing about it as everyone gets angry?

[Vicissa]

It says he was with her WHEN SHE ATE THE FRUIT (no doubt to his shock, and horror),

The bible does NOT say he was with her when she was deceived by the serpent.

Yes to his shock and horror so much he ate of the fruit too. Let's just say your wife breaks a rule of God's. She is murdering someone right in front of your eyes. I suppose that in your want and desire to be with your wife, in spite of the tremendous horror you feel at what she is doing, you'll help her kill the person, right??

And if you do, it would be all your wife's fault too.

[Vicissa]

So...seeing the general tone of the OP, anyone else starting to think this is just a misogynist trying to provoke people and laughing about it as everyone gets angry?

:thumbsup:

[ronmathison]

(lol)

[lunalinda]

So...seeing the general tone of the OP, anyone else starting to think this is just a misogynist trying to provoke people and laughing about it as everyone gets angry?Haha yeah, that crossed my mind when I read a few of his posts in other threads. It all seems so....purposeful. The adding in of the "extra" thoughts within his statements (like when he kept calling women stupid in the other thread) is almost a stroke of genius simply because of the exaggeration needed to get under people's skin, namely us ladies. But alas, I still get my own fun out of the deal. This is good exercise. ;)

[WalksWithChrist]

Haha yeah, that crossed my mind when I read a few of his posts in other threads. It all seems so....purposeful. The adding in of the "extra" thoughts within his statements (like when he kept calling women stupid in the other thread) is almost a stroke of genius simply because of the exaggeration needed to get under people's skin, namely us ladies. But alas, I still get my own fun out of the deal. This is good exercise. ;)
Yeah! What she said...

[WalksWithChrist]

(lol)
It's nice to see you have time to flyby and stir everyone up, but you are showing that you don't want to take a look at in-depth studies I have posted. Normally we refer to this as troll-like behavior...but who am I to point this out? ; )

[ronmathison]

(I'm STILL laughing)

Here's something you may like. It's about Who are Teacher should really be:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2559622-who-are-we-to-learn-from.html#post21687761

(peace to all)

[Advent Christian]

Hello all; :wave: A point to consider; A man standing in a completely dark room even with his eyes open and 20/20 vision still will not see.
Love to all and May God Bless :prayer:

[Jebediah]

Well, at least he admits to it.

[brotherChristian]

Hmm... far be it from me to sit in judgement, but... Does anyone know a way to deduct reps?
BTW, awesome post Advent Christian. Keep 'em up.

[Nienor]

Yes to his shock and horror so much he ate of the fruit too. Let's just say your wife breaks a rule of God's. She is murdering someone right in front of your eyes. I suppose that in your want and desire to be with your wife, in spite of the tremendous horror you feel at what she is doing, you'll help her kill the person, right??

And if you do, it would be all your wife's fault too.
No, if you truly loved your wife, you would stop her. Adam, however, did not

[Everlastinglife]

(Here's some reasons I feel the bible says that women shouldn't teach, other than EVE being the one deceived, and NOT Adam)

For now:

In 1 Timothy 5: 11-14

Women (not men) are singled out as liable to be:

idle, gossips, busybodies, and speaking things NOT PROPER.


Does this sound like a good teacher to you?

If so, I do disagree with your theology.

At any rate, have a nice day.

:)

The Bible is speaking of young widows, not old, and certainly not women in general. How one person can take a piece of scripture and warp it to his own frame of mind is pitiful.

I Corinthians 3:1-4, "Dear brothers, I have been talking to you as though you were still just babies in the Christian life, who are not following the Lord, but your own desires; I cannot talk to you as I would to healthy Christians, who are filled with the Spirit. I have had to feed you with milk and not with solid food, because you couldn't digest anything stronger. And even now you still have to be fed on milk. For you are still only baby Christians, controlled by your own desires, not God's. When you are jealous of one another and divide up into quarreling groups, doesn't that prove you are still babies, wanting your own way? In fact, you are acting like people who don't belong to the Lord at all. There you are, quarreling about whether I am greater than Apollos, and dividing the church. Doesn't this show how little you have grown in the Lord?"

I Corinthians 13:11,"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me."

They will soon be behind you God willing. I would suggest to read this carefully.....

1 Timothy 5:10-17:
10and is well known for her good deeds, such as bringing up children, showing hospitality, washing the feet of the saints, helping those in trouble and devoting herself to all kinds of good deeds.

11As for younger widows, do not put them on such a list. For when their sensual desires overcome their dedication to Christ, they want to marry. 12Thus they bring judgment on themselves, because they have broken their first pledge. 13Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And not only do they become idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying things they ought not to. 14So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander. 15Some have in fact already turned away to follow Satan.
16If any woman who is a believer has widows in her family, she should help them and not let the church be burdened with them, so that the church can help those widows who are really in need. 17The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching.

[christinepro]

(Here's some reasons I feel the bible says that women shouldn't teach, other than EVE being the one deceived, and NOT Adam)

For now:

In 1 Timothy 5: 11-14

Women (not men) are singled out as liable to be:

idle, gossips, busybodies, and speaking things NOT PROPER.


Does this sound like a good teacher to you?

If so, I do disagree with your theology.

At any rate, have a nice day.

:) Hmmm!!!

[BOJAX]

(Here's some reasons I feel the bible says that women shouldn't teach, other than EVE being the one deceived, and NOT Adam)

For now:

In 1 Timothy 5: 11-14

Women (not men) are singled out as liable to be:

idle, gossips, busybodies, and speaking things NOT PROPER.


Does this sound like a good teacher to you?

If so, I do disagree with your theology.

At any rate, have a nice day.

:)

sorry I am a latecomer but...

Just because Eve disobeyed God first doesn't mean she sinned more than Adam.
They are both equally guilty.
Adam wasn't decieved by the serpent but his own wife.
Then he tried blaming it on God (Genesis 3:12)

I think anyone who doesn't teach with authority should not teach.

[brotherChristian]

...I think anyone who doesn't teach with authority should not teach.

If I may add: and there is no authority with us now save the Holy Spirit. So whether words come from a man or woman or angel, are read or heard or whatever, is moot; the one who teaches us what they mean lives within us.

[daydreamergurl15]

1 Timothy 2:11
Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
1 Timothy 2:10-12 (in Context) 1 Timothy 2 (Whole Chapter)

1 Timothy 2:12
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

There can be many persuasive arguments, but I am only persuaded by the words of God. If most women don't like it sorry, but on judgement day only God's scriptures and His wonderful grace will get me into heaven, no one else will be there helping me explain to God why we believed that women should be preachers and so therefore no amout of persuasive arguments will change my mind, especially if it is not biblical.

[Followers4christ]

(Here's some reasons I feel the bible says that women shouldn't teach, other than EVE being the one deceived, and NOT Adam)

For now:

In 1 Timothy 5: 11-14

Women (not men) are singled out as liable to be:

idle, gossips, busybodies, and speaking things NOT PROPER.


Does this sound like a good teacher to you?

If so, I do disagree with your theology.

At any rate, have a nice day.

:)





Your wrong,the reason why women don't have authority to teach men is because God made women to be helpers not teachers over men thats why God made Eve was to be Adams helper and partner(Genesis 2:20-23).Also why women don't have authority over men is because Eve was the one who decieved Adam (1 Timothy 2:11-14).Also women are told by God to be submissive to their husbands out of love not out of fear that the husband will beat her.(COLOSSIANS 3:18,EPHESIANS 5:22-24,1 Peter 3:5-6).Husbands are told to love their wives as Christ loves his church.The men are told to never be harsh or deprive their wives (1 Perer 3:7,Ephesians 5:25,Colossians 3:19,1 Corinthians 7:5).Men and women are equal in the eyes of God as stated in Galatians 3:28.
About what you said about women "idle, gossips, busybodies, and speaking things NOT PROPER" thats a sin of both men and women not women in general.Do you really think that men are sinless?Both men and women fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:22).None of us are innocent,we all gossip,we've all told lies,and we've all boasted one time or another.All I think your doing in your women hating ranting is bashing women and making them stray from the gospel.Your portraying God as a hating God not a loving God which he is.You should desperately ask yourself what motivated you to make this post.God Bless.

[ranjones1]

:wave: Hi All,
Just wanted to tell you all about a site that really blessed me today. The name is:sharepartnersnetwork.org and it is a place where people share stories about things they have overcome in life: abuse, addictions, depression, etc.) There are no stories on the site right now because they are updating the post, but the sooner they have enough stories to review they will begin posting. The purpose of these stories is to let people who are going through challenges in life see that they are not alone and that others have gone through and come out of the same thing they are going through. If you have come out of something on top- please share you story to help someone else. Peace and blessings.

[ranjones1]

Hi All,
Just wanted to tell you all about a site that really blessed me today. The name is:sharepartnersnetwork.org and it is a place where people share stories about things they have overcome in life: abuse, addictions, depression, etc.) There are no stories on the site right now because they are updating the post, but the sooner they have enough stories to review they will begin posting. The purpose of these stories is to let people who are going through challenges in life see that they are not alone and that others have gone through and come out of the same thing they are going through. If you have come out of something on top- please share you story to help someone else. Peace and blessings.

[goldenviolet]

(Here's some reasons I feel the bible says that women shouldn't teach, other than EVE being the one deceived, and NOT Adam)

For now:

In 1 Timothy 5: 11-14

Women (not men) are singled out as liable to be:

idle, gossips, busybodies, and speaking things NOT PROPER.


Does this sound like a good teacher to you?

If so, I do disagree with your theology.

At any rate, have a nice day.

:)


:doh: ....... the bible does not single women out as these things. the bible singles us all out as very capable of trechery and guilty of everything.
:priest:
anyhow. men are suppose to rule and be the leader. teaching in the place of Christ... Christ to the church. the church being the family. woman can teach, but it is men who are suppose to take responsiblity for his family/ flock. woman is the helper. it's all a matter of our make up and authory chain. each of us has a place. men are accountable to God for this area. they are commanded to be in leadership. woman can be in leadership, but can never fill the role that God gave to men.

[ranjones1]

Adam was deceived if he listened to Eve. I didn't see him standing strong saying we will obey God, bowing down before God in Eve's stead once she disobeyed him.

[Jebediah]

People like to read a whole lot into this:

Gen 3:1-7

1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"

2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Last time I looked, handing something to someone who was there the whole time isn't deceiving them. You all just keep saying something that isn't Biblical. Eve was deceived by the Father of Lies, a fallen angel. Adam (like me and most husbands I know) just ate what his wife handed him. That is what the Bible says.

[Evangelica]

I think the purpose of all of it is for us to learn how we are to treat God. Men are you treating God the way you think you should be treated. And women are you giving God His dues. We all know from this very thing about men and women, relate it to God and the church and it takes on new meaning.

[vincejohn]

Paul caused this mess . I have no problem with women teaching me as long as they keep to the teachings of Jesus. Men are two faced mostly , I went to the Uniting Church several years ago and saw a deacon assisting during the service about 70 years old. halfway through I needed to go to the toilet and cut across the kitchen where to my shock I saw the deaconhugging and kissing the cleaner woman like a crazed fiend. They both saw me and after the service I just looked at him. This is a small example what goes on..really. Even Jesus said the pharisees go into widows houses to seduce and rip off deceive properties and whatever. Another former minister now in his own church a pentacostal AOG offshoot has built a massive extension to his home with peoples money for him and his family..these are all selfish acts perpetrated by power hungry ministers. No wonder the world is now in a selfish state of affairs. Kick out all these men ministers who are bad and give the ladies a go.....IMO.

[Evangelica]

Paul caused this mess . I have no problem with women teaching me as long as they keep to the teachings of Jesus. Men are two faced mostly , I went to the Uniting Church several years ago and saw a deacon assisting during the service about 70 years old. halfway through I needed to go to the toilet and cut across the kitchen where to my shock I saw the deaconhugging and kissing the cleaner woman like a crazed fiend. They both saw me and after the service I just looked at him. This is a small example what goes on..really. Even Jesus said the pharisees go into widows houses to seduce and rip off deceive properties and whatever. Another former minister now in his own church a pentacostal AOG offshoot has built a massive extension to his home with peoples money for him and his family..these are all selfish acts perpetrated by power hungry ministers. No wonder the world is now in a selfish state of affairs. Kick out all these men ministers who are bad and give the ladies a go.....IMO.
Would Jesus be in the churches to=day or would they throw Him out?

[vincejohn]

Jesus associated with violent criminals and unacceptable people to show us what is needed. Today its the oppositye with only a small few doing these things, the rest seem to feel content on the easy road and weekly sabbaticals. I did the Jesus way by donating my time nearly 2 years unpaid working with inmates of a maximum security jail helping them release pain with music, but what would I know Ive been labeled the false prophet by the arm chair weekly sabbatical christians. ........I get my hands dirty,its uncomfortable .

[WalksWithChrist]

Paul caused this mess . I have no problem with women teaching me as long as they keep to the teachings of Jesus. Men are two faced mostly , I went to the Uniting Church several years ago and saw a deacon assisting during the service about 70 years old. halfway through I needed to go to the toilet and cut across the kitchen where to my shock I saw the deaconhugging and kissing the cleaner woman like a crazed fiend. They both saw me and after the service I just looked at him. This is a small example what goes on..really. Even Jesus said the pharisees go into widows houses to seduce and rip off deceive properties and whatever. Another former minister now in his own church a pentacostal AOG offshoot has built a massive extension to his home with peoples money for him and his family..these are all selfish acts perpetrated by power hungry ministers. No wonder the world is now in a selfish state of affairs. Kick out all these men ministers who are bad and give the ladies a go.....IMO.
What can I say to that but...Amen! : D

[Evangelica]

Jesus associated with violent criminals and unacceptable people to show us what is needed. Today its the oppositye with only a small few doing these things, the rest seem to feel content on the easy road and weekly sabbaticals. I did the Jesus way by donating my time nearly 2 years unpaid working with inmates of a maximum security jail helping them release pain with music, but what would I know Ive been labeled the false prophet by the arm chair weekly sabbatical christians. ........I get my hands dirty,its uncomfortable .
Who knows what God needs us to learn for His Kingdom.We just all need to keep doing our part and that doesn`t include rewards here. God Bless.

[c1ners]

but what would I know Ive been labeled the false prophet by the arm chair weekly sabbatical christians. ........I get my hands dirty,its uncomfortable .

HEY, I apologized for that!

[thenewageriseth]

(Here's some reasons I feel the bible says that women shouldn't teach, other than EVE being the one deceived, and NOT Adam)

For now:

In 1 Timothy 5: 11-14

Women (not men) are singled out as liable to be:

idle, gossips, busybodies, and speaking things NOT PROPER.


Does this sound like a good teacher to you?

If so, I do disagree with your theology.

At any rate, have a nice day.

:)
*laughs and then coughs* *coughs again* :sick: :P

[Advent Christian]

Hello all; :wave: I read in the post where it was stated Paul caused all this mess. I would humbly have to disagree with that statement. While it is true many of the scriptures used to support the belief that women have no place teaching it is because of the interpretations given to scriptures. Paul’s epistle to the Romans also deals with matters concerning women and their place in the body.
Romans 16:1-4 tells the people to assist Phoebe in her needs and according to most all commentaries I have encountered they tend to place emphasis on the works of these women including those of bringing people to Christ, i.e. teaching people.
To stand on the ground of God not desiring women to teach would seem to me to be diametrically opposed to the Word of God. Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t God use women as Judges in the Old Testament? (Judges 4:4) If I remember correctly He also anointed women prophets, in fact I believe God placed women right along side those of the men prophets. (Micah 6:4)
I do not know, maybe I look at this wrong but it would seem to me if God was opposed to women being teachers He Himself certainly would not have used them as honorably as He has decided to do throughout history.
I close with the same train of thought I started with, that being while I admit there are some scriptures from Paul which can be interpreted to be against women teaching if you use them alone, however, as with all scripture, these verses have to be interpreted in conjunction with other scripture in God’s Word.
I made a comment to one of my students last week which I believe applies here. If you have a doctrine of belief which 999 verses in God’s Word which when taken in context seem to agree with the doctrine; but if there is just 1 verse in God’s Word which also is taken in context disagrees, then you can know in your heart of hearts that the doctrine is either incomplete or incorrect because God’s Word is neither incomplete or incorrect. That is the error of man’s interpretation.
As always my love to all and May God Bless. :prayer:

[Jebediah]

People...this was an admitted troll post. The OP admitted to sitting there laughing. It was just posted to rile people up. Stop, you are just feeding the troll.

[vincejohn]

ok I forgive everyone Im about to go to a funeral now my friend died 77 years old,please say a prayer for him and family.......love Vince.

[Jebediah]

ok I forgive everyone Im about to go to a funeral now my friend died 77 years old,please say a prayer for him and family.......love Vince.

:crosseo:

[fuzzycraig]

Do you feel that DONKEYS should be placed

behind pulpits to teach?


If so, I do disagree with your theology.



:)


in some churchs they have, they just embody human form!

you canot dismiss the old testement, especialy when PRISCILLA carried the load with Paul
(she is mentioned first in greek that means she is the important one not her hubby)
Acts 18 oh and that is in the new testement, you know the one that freed us from pharisitical law....

oh and dosen't GOD using a donkey prove HE can use Whatever HE wants... if we don't the rocks will.....

[biblesound]

(Here's some reasons I feel the bible says that women shouldn't teach, other than EVE being the one deceived, and NOT Adam)

For now:

In 1 Timothy 5: 11-14

Women (not men) are singled out as liable to be:

idle, gossips, busybodies, and speaking things NOT PROPER.


Does this sound like a good teacher to you?

If so, I do disagree with your theology.

At any rate, have a nice day.

:)
I am a woman and I agree with that post. I am not any of those things but most women are. Also, is it an accident that is was all men chosen to be Jesus apostles? I hardly think so. I do believe its ok for a woman to teach another woman.

[biblesound]

I am a woman and i agree with that, do you think is was accidental that all the apostles were men? I hardly think so.

[ronmathison]

People...this was an admitted troll post. The OP admitted to sitting there laughing. It was just posted to rile people up. Stop, you are just feeding the troll.

That is false.

This thread's purpose is to explore who we should

or shouldn't allow to teach us (or to lord authority over us).


(Attention to all, please read the rules regarding trolling,

particularly the part that deals with calling someone else a troll.

The rules can be found at the bottom of your screen.)

[covenantwmn]

Something I found while researching this, I agree.

Acts 18:26 says, "And he [Apollos] began to speak out boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately."

A few comments on these passages:

1 Tim. 2:12 says that a woman is not to teach OVER A MAN, not that she can't teach a man. Priscilla is identifed in Acts 18:2 as being Aquila's wife. Both were involved in teaching Apollos -- "they took him aside and explained the way of God more accurately." Consequently, we have an approved example of a woman's involvement in teaching a man. We also see how it was done. Apollos was taken aside, not rebuked publicly.

In addition, 1 Cor. 11:5-6 instructs women who prayed or prophesied how to remain in subjection to men while doing those things. I won't elaborate further on this passage at this point, but the point is that women had the ability and the right to do these things, all the while respecting God's order of subjection -- God, Christ, man, woman, in that order (see verse 3).

You ask the nature of the mentality that a man possesses who thinks that a woman can't teach him anything spiritually. Frankly, I have to wonder about it myself. For instance, if the man is married, is he even willing to discuss non-spiritual things with his wife? Does she have any input or voice in anything relating to anything about the home? I suspect the problem lies much deeper than just "pride."

[mesue]

(Here's some reasons I feel the bible says that women shouldn't teach, other than EVE being the one deceived, and NOT Adam)

For now:

In 1 Timothy 5: 11-14

Women (not men) are singled out as liable to be:

idle, gossips, busybodies, and speaking things NOT PROPER.


Does this sound like a good teacher to you?

If so, I do disagree with your theology.

At any rate, have a nice day.

:)
And heres a good Biblical reason why some men shouldn't teach


Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

[ronmathison]

Something I found while researching this, I agree.

Acts 18:26 says, "And he [Apollos] began to speak out boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately."

A few comments on these passages:

1 Tim. 2:12 says that a woman is not to teach OVER A MAN, not that she can't teach a man. Priscilla is identifed in Acts 18:2 as being Aquila's wife. Both were involved in teaching Apollos -- "they took him aside and explained the way of God more accurately." Consequently, we have an approved example of a woman's involvement in teaching a man. We also see how it was done. Apollos was taken aside, not rebuked publicly.



I like what you've said, about Priscilla, and Aquila.

Please notice (everyone) , that they did NOT teach him proudly behind some 'pulpit' .

As for Who should teach Christians, please see:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2559622-who-are-we-to-learn-from.html

[Nadach]

I'm new to Christian Forums. I certainly hope this thread is delivered tongue in cheek. If not I'm certainly in the wrong place.

[Nadach]

I am new to Christian Forum. I certainly hope this thread is delinvered tongue in cheek. If not I'm certainly in the wrong place. There are biblical reasons for the belief that women should not preach. But had it not been for women teachers Timothy and many others would not have come to Christ.

[Nadach]

:confused: I am new to Christian Forums. If this thread is not delivered tongue in cheek then I am certainly in the wrong place. Your reasons for women not being teachers are judgmental, prejudicial and hateful. There are legitimate BIBLICAL reasons for the view that women should not be leaders in the church but you have not yet listed any. I suggest you get a Nave's Topical and find out what the Bible REALLY says on the subject.

[Nadach]

I apologize for the duplicate posts. I kept getting an error and was not aware that the posts were being submitted.

[ronmathison]

:confused: I am new to Christian Forums. If this thread is not delivered tongue in cheek then I am certainly in the wrong place. Your reasons for women not being teachers are judgmental, prejudicial and hateful. There are legitimate BIBLICAL reasons for the view that women should not be leaders in the church but you have not yet listed any. I suggest you get a Nave's Topical and find out what the Bible REALLY says on the subject.

Welcome aboard.

Thank you very much for your input into this.

It is my position however, that A woman should not teach or instruct a man, because (among other reasons), the Apostle Paul forbade it on the grounds that Eve was the one deceived, and not Adam. Paul goes on to say that she (the female) will be saved (from being forbidden to teach) , through childbearing (in other words, she can teach her kids about God).

This can be found in 1 Timothy 2:12-15 (N.A.S.B)

12But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

13For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.
14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.

Blessings to you.

:wave:

[knownbeforetime]

This thread is depressing...

I'm really smart. I understand a lot of the Bible. I think I could present the Bible clearly to a group of people. However, I'm being told that the only people I'm allowed to teach (ie children) wouldn't be able understand the simplest biblical concept.

Why would God give me such an intellect and not allow me to use it?

[rosiecotton]

I like what you've said, about Priscilla, and Aquila.

Please notice (everyone) , that they did NOT teach him proudly behind some 'pulpit' .

As for Who should teach Christians, please see:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2559622-who-are-we-to-learn-from.html

You kind of confuse me on this post. You said they did not teach him proudly behind some pulpit.
So, does that mean you think it's ok for a woman to talk to a man about spiritual things? Just confused about this point.
You know, I really enjoy discussing Biblical stuff with my husband. We both learn together. Sometimes I have input on stuff that maybe he didn't know, and sometimes he has really good insights.

[ronmathison]

You kind of confuse me on this post. You said they did not teach him proudly behind some pulpit.
So, does that mean you think it's ok for a woman to talk to a man about spiritual things?

Yes.

This is VERY different, than standing PROUDLY behind a pulpit, or wherever, as if to say 'I know more than you, ha ha.'

DISCUSSION does NOT equal INSTRUCTION.

have a nice day.

:)

[WalksWithChrist]

I've seen women ministers/pastors work and they are a wonderful glorification to the Kingdom of Heaven. : D
I saw Correta Scott King's daughter (a minister) speak last night on CNN and she was very moving and spirit-filed. I can only imagine how many souls she has led to Christ.

I fail to see how tweaking a few scriptures and ignoring loads of others can convince me that women can't teach the word of God.

[SpiritPsalmist]

Nuf said on the subject. Women are not second hand citizens to be beat up by their brothers in the Lord. This thread is closed because the sole purpose seems to have been to put down women.