Evangelica
31st January 2006, 02:56 PM
I used to think that Paul was a very self-righteous, conceited and
irritating person who injected customs with teachings. Now I think his
reasoning is of a much higher level.
I understand him as seeing all from the level that Jesus sees it. Jesus
being the husband and His church as the bride. When you read the
Pauline writings from this perspective, with all being equal (a
believer, neither Jew, gentile, male, female,) you will see that even
Paul’s teaching on wives take on a higher meaning. For instance;
if all were to take their questions to Him, He would give knowledge
individually. Just as the pillar of fire was dispersed to individuals
at Pentecost, so the Spirit now leads the His body through the
individuals. With Jesus as head and the body made up of His individuals.
Without our going to our Head, our Husband, our Captain for our orders
who can say who we belong to. This is just one example.
I think Paul was definitely God appointed, I always have, but only till
I started to see his teaching in a new light have I not resented many
of the things he stood for.
Some people refer to the bible at times when they want to make a point
and reject the bible as fiction the rest of the time. I think if you
don’t believe the entire bible you might as well not believe any. God
claims only one book to be written by Him. And I'm sure He can look
after His Own.
Ok, that being said, I believed it and was stuck with my prejudices
against it. So I had to look deeper to find why the sexist comments,
etc. existed. Like I said, I believe Jesus sees us all as the
female counterpart of Himself. If you look at what Paul says in
conjunction to women as meaning yourself as the counterpart of Jesus...
Col 3:18
"Wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands."
This is tatamount. If we give to Christ each day our dues as His
spouse...
Eph 5:21-23
".... Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ...so the wife unto
husband."
This outlines the marriage pattern set down for us. As the tabernacle,
temple was a pattern of the indwelling of Christ.
Titus 2:3-5
"...women. Obedient to their Husband."
Kind of smacks of what Jesus wants from His bride.
Gal 3:28
"...we are all equal in Christ."
We are all the female counterpart as in "He is the Man"
New Jerusalem is the bride in the mature form. The New Jerusalem,
The last major item revealed in this book, are not
only the conclusion of the entire bible but also the ultimate
consummation of all the important items revealed in the bible. The
triune God, His plans, Christ`s redemption, God`s salvation, the
believers, and the kingdom are all consummated in the New Jerusalem.
REV 19:7
.the marriage of the lamb has come and the bride has made herself ready.
REV 21:2
And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from Godbout of heaven
Prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
I used to believe that Paul’s statements brought believers to follow
him instead of following Christ, I’ve since repented of that, yet I
never thought he diminished what Jesus said.
When Jesus was on earth He said that there was much He could not tell
His disciples because they were not ready, just as there are some who
are not ready now. There are very many levels of truth. Jesus Himself
chose Paul to convey the truth to us.
Paul was the most highly educated man of his times, the man most able
to discern the thoughts of God because of his focus on God. I can’t see
him turning from his self-appointed post as enemy of Jesus without a
divine intervention. He would have had to start at square one all over
again.
One-way for many believers to decipher if they are following Paul instead of Jesus
(many worship Paul) or not is for them to notice how they emphasis the "he" in his
writings. If your giving it a Capital H. (He said). You’re in trouble.
Also, everything needs to line up with scripture. Intuition alone is not enough.
If it doesn't line up with scripture, well.... Stand for something or you’ll
fall for anything.
Many have, in my belief, received so much faulty info and just like Paul
they need to start at square one. The bible will not hurt you and to me
its all there is. It has done me nothing but good. So get a good
concordance, lock yourself somewhere and have a bible fest with Jesus.
And if that sounds too easy, well His yoke is like that.
irritating person who injected customs with teachings. Now I think his
reasoning is of a much higher level.
I understand him as seeing all from the level that Jesus sees it. Jesus
being the husband and His church as the bride. When you read the
Pauline writings from this perspective, with all being equal (a
believer, neither Jew, gentile, male, female,) you will see that even
Paul’s teaching on wives take on a higher meaning. For instance;
if all were to take their questions to Him, He would give knowledge
individually. Just as the pillar of fire was dispersed to individuals
at Pentecost, so the Spirit now leads the His body through the
individuals. With Jesus as head and the body made up of His individuals.
Without our going to our Head, our Husband, our Captain for our orders
who can say who we belong to. This is just one example.
I think Paul was definitely God appointed, I always have, but only till
I started to see his teaching in a new light have I not resented many
of the things he stood for.
Some people refer to the bible at times when they want to make a point
and reject the bible as fiction the rest of the time. I think if you
don’t believe the entire bible you might as well not believe any. God
claims only one book to be written by Him. And I'm sure He can look
after His Own.
Ok, that being said, I believed it and was stuck with my prejudices
against it. So I had to look deeper to find why the sexist comments,
etc. existed. Like I said, I believe Jesus sees us all as the
female counterpart of Himself. If you look at what Paul says in
conjunction to women as meaning yourself as the counterpart of Jesus...
Col 3:18
"Wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands."
This is tatamount. If we give to Christ each day our dues as His
spouse...
Eph 5:21-23
".... Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ...so the wife unto
husband."
This outlines the marriage pattern set down for us. As the tabernacle,
temple was a pattern of the indwelling of Christ.
Titus 2:3-5
"...women. Obedient to their Husband."
Kind of smacks of what Jesus wants from His bride.
Gal 3:28
"...we are all equal in Christ."
We are all the female counterpart as in "He is the Man"
New Jerusalem is the bride in the mature form. The New Jerusalem,
The last major item revealed in this book, are not
only the conclusion of the entire bible but also the ultimate
consummation of all the important items revealed in the bible. The
triune God, His plans, Christ`s redemption, God`s salvation, the
believers, and the kingdom are all consummated in the New Jerusalem.
REV 19:7
.the marriage of the lamb has come and the bride has made herself ready.
REV 21:2
And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from Godbout of heaven
Prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
I used to believe that Paul’s statements brought believers to follow
him instead of following Christ, I’ve since repented of that, yet I
never thought he diminished what Jesus said.
When Jesus was on earth He said that there was much He could not tell
His disciples because they were not ready, just as there are some who
are not ready now. There are very many levels of truth. Jesus Himself
chose Paul to convey the truth to us.
Paul was the most highly educated man of his times, the man most able
to discern the thoughts of God because of his focus on God. I can’t see
him turning from his self-appointed post as enemy of Jesus without a
divine intervention. He would have had to start at square one all over
again.
One-way for many believers to decipher if they are following Paul instead of Jesus
(many worship Paul) or not is for them to notice how they emphasis the "he" in his
writings. If your giving it a Capital H. (He said). You’re in trouble.
Also, everything needs to line up with scripture. Intuition alone is not enough.
If it doesn't line up with scripture, well.... Stand for something or you’ll
fall for anything.
Many have, in my belief, received so much faulty info and just like Paul
they need to start at square one. The bible will not hurt you and to me
its all there is. It has done me nothing but good. So get a good
concordance, lock yourself somewhere and have a bible fest with Jesus.
And if that sounds too easy, well His yoke is like that.