Dire Consequences for Nancy Drew fans

[pmcleanj]

For those who are not in the habit of lufking past the other congregational fora (http://www.christianforums.com/f75) for the sake of keeping their finger on the pulse of trans-denominational thinking and fellowship, there's at thread over on OBOB (http://www.christianforums.com/f26-one-bread-one-body-catholic.html) titled Dire Consequences for Harry Potter Fans (http://www.christianforums.com/t2494418-dire-consequences-for-harry-potter-fans.html)
Those who warn that the Harry Potter books are introducing occultism and evil to the hearts and minds of our vulnerable young
Those who see such warnings as alarmist, inconsistent in the light of Narnia's and Tolkein's and other fantasy writers' acceptance by the general Christian community;
Those who think the other two groups should stop beating a dead horse, since everything has been said several times over
Those who are enjoying the amazing phenomenon of Harry-Potter-Bashing and are using the thread as an excuse for light humourous fellowshipping.


Now, this last group (which includes some Anglicans, among them myself) are taking a bit of a risk, because the high feelings running in the first two groups may find such light-hearted fellowshipping flippant, off-topic, or mocking. One of the most important skills if you do visit other Congregational fora is the ability to NOT POST, no matter how wrong-headed they may seem to you. You probably seem wrong-headed to them when they surf past here (assuming any of them do surf past here -- have a beer in the pub, guys!)

But the whole thing is raising some more serious questions, that I DO want to post. And since J.K.Rowling, who is so often overtly or covertly accused of witchcraft, of directly attacking the minds of Christian youth, of demonic aid in the success of her books, is an Anglican, (and since here I can raise those questions without debating in another congregation's forum) this seems like a good place to raise them.

Like, what if we held some of our more 'acceptable' pastimes up to the same standards we hold for Rowling's work. For example, in the absence of any strong Christian characters, the appeal of the occult is uncountered. But, how about the appeal of secular culture's being uncountered in books like the Nancy Drew series. Or the appeal of materialism, uncountered by any strong Christian characters in books like The Princess Diaries? Are Nancy Drew and the Princess Diaries also immoral?

The argument is made that however "fictional" the Harry Potter books may be, that a good Christian can surely find better ways to spend her time than escapism into such a fictional world. But surely a good Christian can find better ways to spend her time than escaping into the fictional world of a Patricia Wentworth mystery or a Harlequin Romance (even the old cleanly no-sex-before-marriage ones).

The argument is made that Harry Potter, however fictional his own "magic" may be, makes "real" magic look glamourous and may lead people astray that way, into the very different real-world magic. But books like George MacDonald Frazier's The Pyrates make piracy look glamourous, and Charteris' The Saint books make outlawry look glamourous. Should these misleading and evil-promoting books not be equally vilified? Yet we even -- horrors -- had an STR poster who found the Saint's outlawry so glamourous that he took the Saint's name for his screen-name :eek:.

You know, we might indeed all be better people if we *did* consistently hold ourselves, and all our entertainments and diversions, to the standards by which our sister Rowlings' work is being denigrated. It's worth considering. What would we have to give up to live to that standard?

Second important question: which looks better, indigo or DarkOrchid?

[Teshi]

Hello, Anglican forum! :wave:

I love the thread title :D

1. That's a spot-on analysis of the situation and I think it raises far more serious issues than "is Harry Potter eeeeevil." To my mind, the whole situation boils down to the commandment, "I am the Lord thy God; thou shall not have any other gods before me." Harry Potter is a thing of the world. So is every other entertainment book, film, computer game, whathaveyou - even the ones people would consider to have Christian-acceptable morals. I don't think entertainment media is an inherent evil, but if one's enjoyment of that entertaiment media is distracting one from focusing on God, then it becomes a problem. Kicking back and playing a video game every so often? A relaxing distraction. Playing video games incessently, and thus not having time to do charitable works or prayer meditiation or whatever? Dangerous. Reading HP on the bus to work in the morning? A relaxing distraction. Spending all of one's free time writing fanfic? Dangerous.

Basically, it seems to me that it's all about keeping things in perspective, and having the self-control to keep one's leisure activities in their place. I don't think there's any need to be a Puritan about it, but one needs to step back every so often and look objectively at their own goals and focuses. I don't think blanket statements really fit here - everyone has to evaluate his or her own progress in moving toward a God-centric life.

2. Indigo :D

[Wiffey]

Reading Nancy Drew is dangerous as it may encourage young women to snoop and inquire about things, and that will only cause excess thinking. Thinking is unnatural for females, and may cause madness and sterility. It is best to keep women illiterate and pregnant, preferably also poor and without shoes. Footbinding was a capital way of keeping them from hobbling off to new places.

A pregnant woman with bound feet in a burka will not be likely to ask too many questions WRT the status quo. She will be silent and docile and not get uppity and want to be a priest or (God forbid!) a Bishop. She will quietly meditate on her inferiority in a corner and wail about the lowly sinfulness that caused God to rightfully deprive her of a penis.

:P

[TomUK]

When i was watching the most recent Harry Potter film, i couldn't help think that the scar on Harry's head was very much like a baptismal cross. It is a sign which in itself is horrific (it represents his mothers death) but the 'scar' for Harry represents the sacrifice of his mother (through love) in order that he might live. Just a thought...

[Poohbear246]

I agree with Teshi. Harry Potter is a wonderful phenomenon in the sense that it is getting kids to read -- and very lengthy books at that! Personally, I think the possible harmful / occultist effect relies much on how the child was raised to view religion/the occult, etc. If it is a serious consideration for the parent, it will be thus for the child. So much is based on the experience and perogative of each individual parent/family, and I am very loath to criticize that because I do not have their particular experiences.

Personally, I don't think there is anything inherently evil about the series. I taught Potter to a Catholic middle school. No parent objected, they were quite pleased with the idea. The occult as such never came up. Actually, it wasn't until I joined CF that I even knew that people objectedto HP on this level. The kids in my class proved how useful HP was in tackling relevant moral issues that kids their age must face. For example, Harry often resorts to clandestine tactics in order to meet his goals. We discussed when he could have acted differently. He laughs when anything bad happens to the Durselys, what do you think about that? Do we view Harry as a character with flaws like us?

A lot of students had huge issues with the way house elves were being treated and applauded Hermione's activism on their behalf. So there truly is a lot of teaching value in HP that transcends the trappings of plot -- i.e. the fact that it happens to be set in a magical school, etc. It is very applicable to a discussion about Christian morals.

[Teshi]

Well said, Poohbear. I read the first Harry Potter book with my 6th graders last year (I teach in a public school) and had a similar experience. My students really did not like the way Hagrid's treatment of Dudley was played for laughs, for example. Young kids can read critically and thoughtfully, if we take the time to encourage them to do so.

Before I start novels in my classes, I send home letters informing the kids' parents what we'll be reading and offering the option having their kids opt out of the book for an alternate assignment. Oddly enough, I had far more parents opt out of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe than Harry Potter.

[svdbygrace]

DarkOrchid :thumbsup:

[Poohbear246]

Well said, Poohbear. I read the first Harry Potter book with my 6th graders last year (I teach in a public school) and had a similar experience. My students really did not like the way Hagrid's treatment of Dudley was played for laughs, for example. Young kids can read critically and thoughtfully, if we take the time to encourage them to do so.

I agree. You can engage their interest so much more by using what they like to read in the first place. They are extremely intuitive. I also taught Shakespeare's _Midsummer Night's Dream_, which boosted their confidence through the roof. One kid who never lost an opportunity to tell me how much he hated reading, loved, loved, loooved that play. It was so exciting to see him that engrossed and enthusiastic. Instead of being so down on himself, he changed his tune to "I am smart, I'm reading Shakespeare!" _Midsummer_ has a bit of magic in it too. ;)

Before I start novels in my classes, I send home letters informing the kids' parents what we'll be reading and offering the option having their kids opt out of the book for an alternate assignment. Oddly enough, I had far more parents opt out of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe than Harry Potter.

Really, wow! Did they give a reason? I sent home a letter as well, and got no complaints.

[Teshi]

I agree. You can engage their interest so much more by using what they like to read in the first place. They are extremely intuitive. I also taught Shakespeare's _Midsummer Night's Dream_, which boosted their confidence through the roof. One kid who never lost an opportunity to tell me how much he hated reading, loved, loved, loooved that play. It was so exciting to see him that engrossed and enthusiastic. Instead of being so down on himself, he changed his tune to "I am smart, I'm reading Shakespeare!" _Midsummer_ has a bit of magic in it too. ;)

Wonderful wonderful! :D My students do this thing where whenever they have a question about a book - anything from simple lack of understanding, to wondering about author motivation, to noticing an inconsistancy in the text, to noticing a particularly beautiful bit of prose - they stick a post-it on the page with their question so we can come back to it later. Turns out they're now driving their other teachers absolutely bonkers making inquiries about author's point-of-view in their content area textbooks. Clearly, I have done my job ^_^ They really can be analytical and clever - if we give them the tools to do so.

Which comes right back to the topic of the thread - I believe that if a kid is treated like a thinking, rational being, they'll behave that way. I try to treat potentially questionable content in books not as something to fear, but as teachable moments, an opportunity to address the issues and topics the book brings up.

Really, wow! Did they give a reason? I sent home a letter as well, and got no complaints.

I'm not certain, but I think maybe it has something to do with being Jehovah's Witnesses? There's a lot of Christmas-y content in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. I also have the sneaking, sinking suspicion that some parents dismissed it out of hand because the word "witch" is in the title. :sorry:

[masuwerte]

Hello, Anglican forum! :wave:

I love the thread title :D

1. That's a spot-on analysis of the situation and I think it raises far more serious issues than "is Harry Potter eeeeevil." To my mind, the whole situation boils down to the commandment, "I am the Lord thy God; thou shall not have any other gods before me." Harry Potter is a thing of the world. So is every other entertainment book, film, computer game, whathaveyou - even the ones people would consider to have Christian-acceptable morals. I don't think entertainment media is an inherent evil, but if one's enjoyment of that entertaiment media is distracting one from focusing on God, then it becomes a problem. Kicking back and playing a video game every so often? A relaxing distraction. Playing video games incessently, and thus not having time to do charitable works or prayer meditiation or whatever? Dangerous. Reading HP on the bus to work in the morning? A relaxing distraction. Spending all of one's free time writing fanfic? Dangerous.

Basically, it seems to me that it's all about keeping things in perspective, and having the self-control to keep one's leisure activities in their place. I don't think there's any need to be a Puritan about it, but one needs to step back every so often and look objectively at their own goals and focuses. I don't think blanket statements really fit here - everyone has to evaluate his or her own progress in moving toward a God-centric life.

2. Indigo :D

Looks like I can't add to your reputation, too bad :)

[Wiffey]

I totally love the Harry Potter books, and my daughter does too. The books are so creative and have really good lessons built in about love overcoming hate and darkness, the power of friendship, doing what is right instead of what is easy, etc.

The biggest controversy about it in my house is: who gets to read each new book first!

I do not understand how so many people can reject the books and denounce them without having ever read them. Knee-jerk censorship does not agree with me. If folks decide they don't want to read it, fine...but to warn everybody who does read the books that they are bad Christians and threaten dire spiritual consequences is taking it too far.

I have no issue with people deciding for themselves if they want to read a book or see a film...but I resent it when would-be guardians of morality try to limit the choices for the rest of us. Like the crowd trying to get "Book of Daniel" taken off the air. Or the crowd that acts like seeing "Brokeback Mountain" will suck the soul right out of your body.

[Fish and Bread]

Second important question: which looks better, indigo or DarkOrchid?


Um, you as might as well asked me if purple, purple, or purple looks better. :) I know that's a typical guy thing to say, but it all looks more or less the same to me. :)

[Fish and Bread]

Or the crowd that acts like seeing "Brokeback Mountain" will suck the soul right out of your body.

Well, I've heard rumors that it improves sucking something out of bodies... ;)

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. Feel free to delete this post if it violates the rules in some way.

[TomUK]

Um, you as might as well asked me if purple, purple, or purple looks better. :) I know that's a typical guy thing to say, but it all looks more or less the same to me. :)

Lol, i thought the exact same thing. I don't even know what 'orchid' looks like, let alone 'darkorchid'!

[Ann M]

For those who are not in the habit of lufking past the other congregational fora (http://www.christianforums.com/f75) for the sake of keeping their finger on the pulse of trans-denominational thinking and fellowship, there's at thread over on OBOB (http://www.christianforums.com/f26-one-bread-one-body-catholic.html) titled Dire Consequences for Harry Potter Fans (http://www.christianforums.com/t2494418-dire-consequences-for-harry-potter-fans.html)
Those who warn that the Harry Potter books are introducing occultism and evil to the hearts and minds of our vulnerable young
Those who see such warnings as alarmist, inconsistent in the light of Narnia's and Tolkein's and other fantasy writers' acceptance by the general Christian community;
Those who think the other two groups should stop beating a dead horse, since everything has been said several times over
Those who are enjoying the amazing phenomenon of Harry-Potter-Bashing and are using the thread as an excuse for light humourous fellowshipping.


Now, this last group (which includes some Anglicans, among them myself) are taking a bit of a risk, because the high feelings running in the first two groups may find such light-hearted fellowshipping flippant, off-topic, or mocking. One of the most important skills if you do visit other Congregational fora is the ability to NOT POST, no matter how wrong-headed they may seem to you. You probably seem wrong-headed to them when they surf past here (assuming any of them do surf past here -- have a beer in the pub, guys!)

But the whole thing is raising some more serious questions, that I DO want to post. And since J.K.Rowling, who is so often overtly or covertly accused of witchcraft, of directly attacking the minds of Christian youth, of demonic aid in the success of her books, is an Anglican, (and since here I can raise those questions without debating in another congregation's forum) this seems like a good place to raise them.

Like, what if we held some of our more 'acceptable' pastimes up to the same standards we hold for Rowling's work. For example, in the absence of any strong Christian characters, the appeal of the occult is uncountered. But, how about the appeal of secular culture's being uncountered in books like the Nancy Drew series. Or the appeal of materialism, uncountered by any strong Christian characters in books like The Princess Diaries? Are Nancy Drew and the Princess Diaries also immoral?

The argument is made that however "fictional" the Harry Potter books may be, that a good Christian can surely find better ways to spend her time than escapism into such a fictional world. But surely a good Christian can find better ways to spend her time than escaping into the fictional world of a Patricia Wentworth mystery or a Harlequin Romance (even the old cleanly no-sex-before-marriage ones).

The argument is made that Harry Potter, however fictional his own "magic" may be, makes "real" magic look glamourous and may lead people astray that way, into the very different real-world magic. But books like George MacDonald Frazier's The Pyrates make piracy look glamourous, and Charteris' The Saint books make outlawry look glamourous. Should these misleading and evil-promoting books not be equally vilified? Yet we even -- horrors -- had an STR poster who found the Saint's outlawry so glamourous that he took the Saint's name for his screen-name :eek:.

You know, we might indeed all be better people if we *did* consistently hold ourselves, and all our entertainments and diversions, to the standards by which our sister Rowlings' work is being denigrated. It's worth considering. What would we have to give up to live to that standard?

Second important question: which looks better, indigo or DarkOrchid?



I tried to read your post pmcleanj, I really did but there was so many words there, and the post was so long, and it was in indigo, when everyone knows that Dark Orchid is the only colour to post in, and you should be readinf Trixie Belden, not Nancy Drew, and anyway everyone knows that the best fantasy series ever is Anne McCaffrey's Pern series and .... ummm, what was the question? :scratch: .. there was a question wasn't there :scratch: I am in the alehouse aren't i? :scratch: :eek: Andy did you spike my drink!! I can't remember where I am...........

[karen freeinchristman]

Indigo ! :thumbsup:

[Andy Broadley]

I tried to read your post pmcleanj, I really did but there was so many words there, and the post was so long, and it was in indigo, when everyone knows that Dark Orchid is the only colour to post in, and you should be readinf Trixie Belden, not Nancy Drew, and anyway everyone knows that the best fantasy series ever is Anne McCaffrey's Pern series and .... ummm, what was the question? :scratch: .. there was a question wasn't there :scratch: I am in the alehouse aren't i? :scratch: :eek: Andy did you spike my drink!! I can't remember where I am...........

*Hides the bottle*

Why do I get the blame for EVERYTHING round here?:holy:

[Andy Broadley]

Red ;)

[Andy Broadley]

For those who are not in the habit of lufking past the other congregational fora (http://www.christianforums.com/f75) for the sake of keeping their finger on the pulse of trans-denominational thinking and fellowship, there's at thread over on OBOB (http://www.christianforums.com/f26-one-bread-one-body-catholic.html) titled Dire Consequences for Harry Potter Fans (http://www.christianforums.com/t2494418-dire-consequences-for-harry-potter-fans.html)

Those who warn that the Harry Potter books are introducing occultism and evil to the hearts and minds of our vulnerable young
Those who see such warnings as alarmist, inconsistent in the light of Narnia's and Tolkein's and other fantasy writers' acceptance by the general Christian community;
Those who think the other two groups should stop beating a dead horse, since everything has been said several times over
Those who are enjoying the amazing phenomenon of Harry-Potter-Bashing and are using the thread as an excuse for light humourous fellowshipping.




You forgot the 5th group....those who just like winding the serious ones up:D

Who? Me?...:holy: :holy: :holy:

[Andy Broadley]

Reading Nancy Drew is dangerous as it may encourage young women to snoop and inquire about things, and that will only cause excess thinking. Thinking is unnatural for females, and may cause madness and sterility. It is best to keep women illiterate and pregnant, preferably also poor and without shoes. Footbinding was a capital way of keeping them from hobbling off to new places.

A pregnant woman with bound feet in a burka will not be likely to ask too many questions WRT the status quo. She will be silent and docile and not get uppity and want to be a priest or (God forbid!) a Bishop. She will quietly meditate on her inferiority in a corner and wail about the lowly sinfulness that caused God to rightfully deprive her of a penis.

:P

:eek: I am so not going there :D :D :D

[Andy Broadley]

When i was watching the most recent Harry Potter film, i couldn't help think that the scar on Harry's head was very much like a baptismal cross. It is a sign which in itself is horrific (it represents his mothers death) but the 'scar' for Harry represents the sacrifice of his mother (through love) in order that he might live. Just a thought...


It's a very good thought actually Tom.:thumbsup:

You should post it in the OBOB thread (go on, I dare ya ;) )

[higgs2]

For those who are not in the habit of lufking past the other congregational fora (http://www.christianforums.com/f75) for the sake of keeping their finger on the pulse of trans-denominational thinking and fellowship, there's at thread over on OBOB (http://www.christianforums.com/f26-one-bread-one-body-catholic.html) titled Dire Consequences for Harry Potter Fans (http://www.christianforums.com/t2494418-dire-consequences-for-harry-potter-fans.html)
Those who warn that the Harry Potter books are introducing occultism and evil to the hearts and minds of our vulnerable young
Those who see such warnings as alarmist, inconsistent in the light of Narnia's and Tolkein's and other fantasy writers' acceptance by the general Christian community;
Those who think the other two groups should stop beating a dead horse, since everything has been said several times over
Those who are enjoying the amazing phenomenon of Harry-Potter-Bashing and are using the thread as an excuse for light humourous fellowshipping.


Now, this last group (which includes some Anglicans, among them myself) are taking a bit of a risk, because the high feelings running in the first two groups may find such light-hearted fellowshipping flippant, off-topic, or mocking. One of the most important skills if you do visit other Congregational fora is the ability to NOT POST, no matter how wrong-headed they may seem to you. You probably seem wrong-headed to them when they surf past here (assuming any of them do surf past here -- have a beer in the pub, guys!)

But the whole thing is raising some more serious questions, that I DO want to post. And since J.K.Rowling, who is so often overtly or covertly accused of witchcraft, of directly attacking the minds of Christian youth, of demonic aid in the success of her books, is an Anglican, (and since here I can raise those questions without debating in another congregation's forum) this seems like a good place to raise them.

Like, what if we held some of our more 'acceptable' pastimes up to the same standards we hold for Rowling's work. For example, in the absence of any strong Christian characters, the appeal of the occult is uncountered. But, how about the appeal of secular culture's being uncountered in books like the Nancy Drew series. Or the appeal of materialism, uncountered by any strong Christian characters in books like The Princess Diaries? Are Nancy Drew and the Princess Diaries also immoral?

The argument is made that however "fictional" the Harry Potter books may be, that a good Christian can surely find better ways to spend her time than escapism into such a fictional world. But surely a good Christian can find better ways to spend her time than escaping into the fictional world of a Patricia Wentworth mystery or a Harlequin Romance (even the old cleanly no-sex-before-marriage ones).

The argument is made that Harry Potter, however fictional his own "magic" may be, makes "real" magic look glamourous and may lead people astray that way, into the very different real-world magic. But books like George MacDonald Frazier's The Pyrates make piracy look glamourous, and Charteris' The Saint books make outlawry look glamourous. Should these misleading and evil-promoting books not be equally vilified? Yet we even -- horrors -- had an STR poster who found the Saint's outlawry so glamourous that he took the Saint's name for his screen-name :eek:.

You know, we might indeed all be better people if we *did* consistently hold ourselves, and all our entertainments and diversions, to the standards by which our sister Rowlings' work is being denigrated. It's worth considering. What would we have to give up to live to that standard?

Second important question: which looks better, indigo or DarkOrchid?


Well I'm not giving up Desperate Housewives, and that's final. But you know, there's a lot of grace and redemption to be found in that show among all the other, over the top mess. I think it depends on the individual person and their convictions, perhaps there are some who just are better off reading inspirational Christian non fiction and nothing else. I am better off not reading certain things like dark, violent crime books, especially when a child is involved in the story. That is not a good place for my mind to go. But I don't see a blanket, onesizefitsall rule about what to read, especially when talking about Harry Potter and the like.

I do think it's amazing that the thread won't die and I've been a part of that however small :) The funny thing is that the OP is a parody, not a serious critique of HP at all.

[PaladinValer]

I think their arguments are silly.

I never read anything of Lovecraft's, yet I adore Lord Cthulhu :P

"He will devour us..." :D :D :D

[higgs2]

Oh, I almost forgot! Dark Orchid. I can't get used to the other one.

[Poohbear246]

they stick a post-it on the page with their question so we can come back to it later. Turns out they're now driving their other teachers absolutely bonkers making inquiries about author's point-of-view in their content area textbooks. Clearly, I have done my job ^_^ They really can be analytical and clever - if we give them the tools to do so.

I adore the post it note idea!!! That is actually the way I've always organized my own thoughts and to do lists!! There is just something satisfying about crumpling up a post-it when you have completed a task. :) The skill you taught them will be invaluable come college. :) I used to stick a post-it right under the line I had a question about. So my pages were full of overlapping notes. Lol.

Which comes right back to the topic of the thread - I believe that if a kid is treated like a thinking, rational being, they'll behave that way. I try to treat potentially questionable content in books not as something to fear, but as teachable moments, an opportunity to address the issues and topics the book brings up.

Exactly!!! That is the crux of the whole debate. Life, after all, is full of questionable moments....!

[Poohbear246]

Um ok -- what *are* Dark Orchid and Indigo?? :)

[Poohbear246]

It's a very good thought actually Tom.:thumbsup:

You should post it in the OBOB thread (go on, I dare ya ;) )

Yeah....there's just nothing more to *say.* They are just going in circles. People are going to stick to what they think about this topic anyway and not be swayed.

[Colabomb]

Reading Nancy Drew is dangerous as it may encourage young women to snoop and inquire about things, and that will only cause excess thinking. Thinking is unnatural for females, and may cause madness and sterility. It is best to keep women illiterate and pregnant, preferably also poor and without shoes. Footbinding was a capital way of keeping them from hobbling off to new places.

A pregnant woman with bound feet in a burka will not be likely to ask too many questions WRT the status quo. She will be silent and docile and not get uppity and want to be a priest or (God forbid!) a Bishop. She will quietly meditate on her inferiority in a corner and wail about the lowly sinfulness that caused God to rightfully deprive her of a penis.

:P
*Sighs as a resident conservative

[Lel]

Um, you as might as well asked me if purple, purple, or purple looks better. :) I know that's a typical guy thing to say, but it all looks more or less the same to me. :)

/me responds in her own stereotypical way and says something about the non-discrimination between purples being deeply hurtful, yadda yadda.

[kiwimac]

Ah Lovecraft! Cthuhlu!

I just love his books.

Kiwimac

[Andy Broadley]

Well the HP threads finally ran out of time.

It was getting a little nasty in places, and in the end the mods had no choice but to act.

As Poobear said, people were entrenched and wouldn't move from their position so it was going nowhere.

[higgs2]

Well the HP threads finally ran out of time.

It was getting a little nasty in places, and in the end the mods had no choice but to act.

As Poobear said, people were entrenched and wouldn't move from their position so it was going nowhere.
It did get a bit nasty, and you were the undeserving recipient of some of that meanness. I was a bit shocked at a couple of comments that were made. :eek:

[Andy Broadley]

It did get a bit nasty, and you were the undeserving recipient of some of that meanness. I was a bit shocked at a couple of comments that were made. :eek:

*shrugs*

Comes with the territory I'm afraid.

You just gotta have thick skin thats all:)

I've had worse than that.

[higgs2]

*shrugs*

Comes with the territory I'm afraid.

You just gotta have thick skin thats all:)

I've had worse than that.
Well, even with all our squabbleing on STR it does not seem to me to get that mean. Just a real feeling of hyper judgement from that board. And all stemming from a parody post about Harry Potter LOL! :D People are funny.

[Andy Broadley]

Well, even with all our squabbleing on STR it does not seem to me to get that mean. Just a real feeling of hyper judgement from that board. And all stemming from a parody post about Harry Potter LOL! :D People are funny.

Thing is you never know whats going to run and what isn't.

Joe said he'd posted the OP as a farce, and expected it to die within a few posts. he was more surprised than anyone when it ran the way it did.

It's not all like that in OBOB. HP just happens to be a hot topic at the moment.

But the hard line element in OBOB is certainly a powerful lobby when it wants to be.

[SirTimothy]

everyone knows that the best fantasy series ever is Anne McCaffrey's Pern series a

Yes, indeed! Possibly tied by David Eddings' Belgariad!

Timothy (I'm even enthusiastic enough over AMC's books to play in an RPG about it)

[SirTimothy]

Oh, and DarkOrchid.

Timothy (Who having spent most of my life with my best friends as girls and my brother a graphic artist can tell the difference between things like different purples)

[Andy Broadley]

Without taking the thread onto too much of a tangent, did anyone read Stephen Lawhead's 'Song of Albion' trilogy?

[Ann M]

Yes, indeed! Possibly tied by David Eddings' Belgariad!

Timothy (I'm even enthusiastic enough over AMC's books to play in an RPG about it)


*** you're kidding :eek: You've just named another one of my absolute Favs!!

My three favs have to be Anne's Pern series, David Eddings, and Raymond E Feist! :clap:

[Colabomb]

Perhaps not "fantasy" but I have been getting into the Star Wars Expanded universe books.

[Poohbear246]

*shrugs*

Comes with the territory I'm afraid.

You just gotta have thick skin thats all:)

I've had worse than that.

I noticed that too at the end of the HP thread....what was said to you was really uncalled for. Like you said, thick skin is necessary. Geez.

[Andy Broadley]

I noticed that too at the end of the HP thread....what was said to you was really uncalled for. Like you said, thick skin is necessary. Geez.

You get used to it;)

I just don't let it bother me.

[Andy Broadley]

Besides, to be fair, I was kinda winding him up a bit :D

[SirTimothy]

Besides, to be fair, I was kinda winding him up a bit

People must remember, winding people up is the unofficial national sport of the UK...

Timothy

[SirTimothy]

Without taking the thread onto too much of a tangent, did anyone read Stephen Lawhead's 'Song of Albion' trilogy?

Yes. I prefered the Grail series to the Albion ones, but there we go.

Timothy

[SirTimothy]

*** you're kidding You've just named another one of my absolute Favs!!

My three favs have to be Anne's Pern series, David Eddings, and Raymond E Feist!

Please tell me you've never been part of a Pern Roleplaying game... it'd be too freaky if I met someone on here who I knew from either PernMUSH or WAF

Timothy

[Wiffey]

*Sighs as a resident conservative

No offense meant...just a bit of tweaking.
Mad hugs to all, conservative & liberal alike!!!
:groupray:
It takes all kinds to make the Church...

[higgs2]

No offense meant...just a bit of tweaking.
Mad hugs to all, conservative & liberal alike!!!
:groupray:
It takes all kinds to make the Church...
:D I thought it was funny! :D We don't offend that easily around here, and love a joke.

It's so great that you are posting on our forum, I'm enjoying getting to know you better.

[Wiffey]

Thankyou! I'm enjoying it a lot. Good senses of humor, people disagreeing without shredding each other. It's all so well behaved and emotionally healthy! There must be something about that 3 legged stool...

[karen freeinchristman]

There must be something about that 3 legged stool...
:thumbsup:


(it's my 2000th post!!) :clap: