What would you want a Catholic to know?

[graysparrow]

about your Church? I am posting this in the various denominations forums, to see what I could not 'get' from each denominations or churches, because I often judge according to what I expect to find. I could ask, but again my questions could be guided by what I expect to find, so surprise me!


Well, so what's the so differnt about the Messianic Judaism? :help:

[christinepro]

I don't feel that Messianics are elitists. (They don't feel that they are the only ones who are going to be in G_d's Kingdom.) We keep the feasts that G_d has given us. We follow the law. I am starting to get really good with eating Kosher, and I love Shabbat. What do you like about being a catholic?

[Wags]

about your Church? I am posting this in the various denominations forums, to see what I could not 'get' from each denominations or churches, because I often judge according to what I expect to find. I could ask, but again my questions could be guided by what I expect to find, so surprise me!


Well, so what's the so differnt about the Messianic Judaism? :help:

Well for starters, Messianic Judasim is a congregational movement and not a denomination, so there is no one governing body. This means that views vary a lot and no one person can speak for all messianic believers.

The following are generally true about the messianic movement. Messianic believers (both gentiles and those that are ethnically jewish) believe that the Jew known as Yeshua (Jesus) is the messiah. They also believe that G-ds divine instructions (aka Torah/"old" testament) is still the way that G-d wants us as redeemed individuals to live a life that is pleasing to Him. We also strive to learn and to teach the "new" testament from a hebraic mindset in order to better understand the teachings found there.

[Tishri1]

lets see what do I want Catholics to know....well that Jesus was Jewish and He grew up in a Jewish culture and taught as a Rabbi would teach.....When I celebrate the Festivals I feel like I am walking in His footsteps, and when I eat Kosher I imagine him eating these foods ....and when I hear and speak scripture in Hebrew I think of how he spoke those words too....I love this road that leads me home to his people:clap::clap:It makes me feel that much closer to Him:wave:

[visionary]

Just the same as I would tell anyone, come meet Yeshua, prepare to meet your maker. Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. Open the door to your heart and let Yeshua in, and He will sup with you and you with Him. It is all real. The world that God lives in, is not all clouds and fluffy. It is solid as the precious gems that make up His city.

[graysparrow]

What do you like about being a catholic?

I was born a Catholic :)

[visionary]

I was born a Catholic :)Oh.. is that different than being born human? ^_^

[BrEnDiNo99]

I was born a Catholic :)

I was born Catholic and human;)

i wonder what these catholics look like:confused:

[BrEnDiNo99]

I was born Catholic and human;)

i wonder what these catholics look like:confused:



my last year religion used to call the catholic religion the only religion that is suitable for god so id like to say that you can talk to god in anyway you feel :) and you will still be herd

[stone]

Y-shua did not abolish the law.

[Espada]

I was born a Catholic :)

I hope you have also been reborn a child of Christ:holy:

[jgonz]

I would like a Catholic person to know that Messianic Judaism is probably the closest thing to the original Believers in the book of Acts, which was merely a sect of Judaism at the time.

[talmidim]

I would like a Catholic person to know that Messianic Judaism is probably the closest thing to the original Believers in the book of Acts, which was merely a sect of Judaism at the time.I was waiting for someone to say that...

[jgonz]

Talmidim, I'm assuming you think what I said is a Good thing, right?

[Gwenyfur]

For me choosing to be messianic, is to choose to follow my Savior's footsteps. Y'shua was a Jew, He is the Savior of the world, and the Prince of Peace to come. To follow the Torah and keep the laws of the Father, are simply obedience to His will in my life. My jewish ancestory also bring a whole new dimension to my faith in Y'shua Messiah. I follow in His footsteps and did Peter, Matthew, Mark, John, Simeon and even doubting Thomas.

[plum]

I'd like all my Catholic brothers and sisters to know that they are loved!

And after :groupray: group hugs all around, we could get down to nitty gritty...

Some things I didn't think about when I was converting to Catholicism beyond what was said above:

Yeshua did not come to start a new religion that would fall away from obedience to His Torah. In fact, I don't think he started a new religion at all. And the most powerful argument when I was converting to Catholicism that swayed me was that the Catholic Church was founded by Christ through apostalic succession and is the first Church and "only true church". I disagree with that statement completely now that my eyes have been opened and my heart softened to the Hebraic roots of our faith.

Another small point which has more to do with one's mindset than layout... the Scriptures are not two books smushed together that talk about two religions that have the same G-d. There is one set of Holy Scriptures with one Hebraic worldview/context and one storyline that shows grace through faith from beginning to end. I don't believe that the Church was born after Yeshua came. I believe that it has always been present in a remnant of faith-full lovers of Elohim who trusted Him for grace and salvation and lovingly obeyed His Torah out of complete devotion.

Oh, and that any teacher/prophet who teaches against Torah is a false one. So if a person (even a church father of ancient times) taught that Yeshua told his followers to disregard any of the commandments, then Yeshua was no Messiah. He was not G-d in the flesh if he did such a foul thing as to teach contrary to G-d's revealed Word.
Same for Paul, Peter, James, Luke, Mark, John, the whole lot.

And I don't know about anyone else, but as soon as I let that truth sink in... it changed my whole life. My entire walk changed from that moment on.



Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
Also:
Deuteronmony 12:32 "32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it."
Matt 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law (Torah), or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Something else:
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Shloshah-Asar_Ikkarim/Immutability/immutability.html

[soon]

Y-shua did not abolish the law.

I've heard of such a thing. Could we perhaps get into this abit?

I would like anyone to jump in too!

I post at a protestant forum. I grew up Catholic.

Basically i want to learn about the Word of G-d to its fullest extent.

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Is there a way i can track this thread too? There are far too many subforums here and if i remember where this post is located it will be proof that miracles do exsist.
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But i met people at this forum that believe in following rules like..... the not eating pork issue .... observing all of G-d's law.

It made sense to me. I seek to live as they did back then. Granted nothing happens over night but i would love to learn.

[visionary]

Is there a way i can track this thread too? There are far too many subforums here and if i remember where this post is located it will be proof that miracles do exsist.click on the "UserCP" You will find it in the upper left corner on the forum page in the top blue section.

[jgonz]

Soon~ Check out Matt. 5: 17-19 Yeshua/Jesus is speaking... "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

[plum]

I've heard of such a thing. Could we perhaps get into this abit?

I would like anyone to jump in too!

I post at a protestant forum. I grew up Catholic.

Basically i want to learn about the Word of G-d to its fullest extent.

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Is there a way i can track this thread too? There are far too many subforums here and if i remember where this post is located it will be proof that miracles do exsist.
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But i met people at this forum that believe in following rules like..... the not eating pork issue .... observing all of G-d's law.

It made sense to me. I seek to live as they did back then. Granted nothing happens over night but i would love to learn.
the easiest way to track a thread is to go to the top of the page. under the gray bar that shows the current members viewing this thread if you look on the right side of the page and click "Thread Tools" then in the dropdown menu you can select "Subscribe to this thread" and then select "add to favourite threads" on the next screen.

then, whenever you want, you can see if it's updated by going to your user CP:
http://www.christianforums.com/usercp
and at the top portion of that page any threads you've subscribed to will show up if they've been updated in the last day or so. hope that helps!

[graysparrow]

Thanks a lot :)

For converts: have your life changed since you became messianic... how?

[Gwenyfur]

I'm closer to the L-rd in so many ways...it's a deeper relationship with Him...and a more intimate knowledge of the Bible...both old and new testaments

[visionary]

I'm closer to the L-rd in so many ways...it's a deeper relationship with Him...and a more intimate knowledge of the Bible...both old and new testamentsEverything in their proper setting too. It puts things into prospective.

[stone]

Everything in their proper setting too. It puts things into prospective.

perspective. definately:thumbsup:

[P_G]

Greysprarrow:

I was raised Catholic and in fact I just spent a week in my dad's home he is Catholic clergy. So my rememberence right now is very fresh.

When I grew up and listened to the teaching something did not click
This very Jewish Jesus was sort of being forced into being Europian and we never heard much about him being Jewish yet we talked about Israel and Zion. I had Jewish friends and they were very unlike me and had very different ways. Was this Jesus like me or like them. I fell away because I felt I had not been told the truth.

The L-rd called me back and I found Charismatic Protestantism. I really studied hard and began to know this Jesus better and one day deep in the book of Acts it dawned on me that all of the followers of Jesus were Jewish and that they brought his message to the Gentiles not vice versa. It was not for us to make the Jewish people more Gentile but rather the Jewish Messiah to bring the light of truth to the Gentile races the Goyim.

I asked one day now if I am a beleiver am I Jewish? And I was told by my pastor that "The Church has Replaced the Jewish people as the Chosen People" I was like WHAT? Show me that in the Bible!!!!!! And of course he could not but I finally realized what the problem all along from my Catholic roots to that very moment that there was this mistaken notion that the church replaced Israel.

I sought out the truth and from there the more I put Jesus who I now understood to be Y'shua into the context of his Jewish hertitage the more I understood what he was saying and why. I understood what G-d had been saying from the very begining. I became close to Ha"Shem and realized my place was as a sojourner with Israel. That blessedly I had been added to THEIR family not vice versa. I found out that the blue eyed blonde haired Jesus of my youth never existied except in the imaginations of Europian artists. I realized that I needed G-ds will on G-d's terms not G-d's will my way!

What do I want my Catholic brothers to know? What do I teach them now? That is simply put the messiah back into context. See him as Kepha saw him see him as Shaul saw him Use Jewish eyes to see him. Then perhaps you will see his face.

And even though we disagree you and I on theology I want you also my Catholic brother to know that I am grateful that you protected G-ds word for all those years and that I and confident in the resurection that we will meet again.

shalom

PG

[soon]

Soon~ Check out Matt. 5: 17-19 Yeshua/Jesus is speaking... "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

When i read this it definately makes sense. Yet i see people so quick to say "we are not under the law" oftentimes citing the book of Romans. Then they wonder why they have a problem with the OSAS/NOSAS (once saved always saved) debate because unknowingly or not they are almost justifying their own sin and dismissing it as no big deal.

Now this could be me reading into it but it really feels like that sometime.

I am glad to have found this forum.

Thanks for sharing this with me and taking the time! I'll most certainly have many questions over the coming days/weeks.

Thank you also to the users that helped me on tracking the thread!

Shalom!

Brian

[GraceInHim]

Soon~ Check out Matt. 5: 17-19 Yeshua/Jesus is speaking... "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

thanks I needed this for another thread.. of course it is about Israel whom I defend.. love ya all :hug:

[Victrixa]

As an ex-Catholic revert, it just dawned on me, when in very bad health, that the L-rd gave us a diet in the Old Testament (in the Torah to be exact) to follow for our good and that the New Testament can only be interpreted through the Torah (Law) and that Yeshua (Jesus) did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it perfectly and bring us deeper into it, as a matter of fact... :D But we must follow Torah under Grace. :)

[visionary]

Torah under Grace. I like that... it has a nice ring to it.

[GerTzedek]

What I would like Catholics to know about Messianic Judaism is that it is not, at least not in all forms, a Protestant Church, aka an ecclesial community. It is a Judaism. It is therefore not in a state of having left communion with Rome, but should be treated as other Judaisms. Our synagogues are like any others: places where Jews go to worship, and lives like other Jews called to rightly observe their irrevocable Covenant.

[visionary]

The Lord lead me here. Back to the faith of Yeshua. And I love it... it brings peace and contentment with the Word of God. It is wonderful not have to wrestle with scripture to make it say some church doctrine. It all fits and no Word of God is wasted.