God

[visionary]

The God of the Bible is Jewish, He invented the Jews at Mount Sinai... Jesus is a Jew. The Bible is about the Jewish Religion. The Bible is about the Jewish God.. The Holy One of Israel.

Would say these statements are correct?

[stone]

of course

[Yovel]

I don't think G-d is Jewish or Gentile, He is just G-d. G-d is infinitely different than man. We can't even start to understand who He is or how He does what He does.

Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, Neither the son of man, that he should repent: Hath he said, and will he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and will he not make it good?

I don't see how man is going to ever know all about G-d, even in his Kingdom. We are finite and He is Infinite. I think G-d has a sense of humor though. He must grin and laugh at us when we try to figure Him out. :confused:

[stone]

g-d jewish, i read over that part.


i think that what was given to the jewish people to set them apart, is a small scale of what is instore for all of mankind, at least those of us who can see the truth through the deception of satan, but due to the corruption of satan, we have to go through this long process of separateing the bad from the good to continue with what father has for us.


What father has given to the jews is what sets them apart, and makes them a target for satan.

[Mary_Magdalene]

I dont know about G-d being Jewish. I tend to agree with Yovel.

I would have to think about the bible being about the Jewish religion...

[stone]

i agree

[Shimshon]

g-d jewish, i read over that part.

What father has given to the jews is what sets them apart, and makes them a target for satan.

John 4:22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know. We worship what we do know, because salvation is from the Jews.

Scripture, the very word of Yeshua at that, states "salvation is from the Jews".

G-d gave Yeshua, the Salvation of Elohim, to the Jews, and it is what sets them apart and makes them a target, and all who align with her. That which G-d gave the Jew, was Yeshua. The 'salvation of Elohim'.

Salvation is from the Jews. Elohim gave his salvation to the Jews and taught us to give it to the world.

If Yeshua is Elohim in the flesh, and the savior of the world, from G-d. If Yeshua is Elohim and Yeshua is 'from the Jews', then is G-d Jewish?

Salvation is from the Jews.

But it is for the whole world.

[Qidron]

The God of the Bible is Jewish, He invented the Jews at Mount Sinai... Jesus is a Jew. The Bible is about the Jewish Religion. The Bible is about the Jewish God.. The Holy One of Israel.

Would say these statements are correct?


I hate beating around the bush when it comes to important things...did you have a point?

[stone]

If Yeshua is Elohim in the flesh, and the savior of the world, from G-d. If Yeshua is Elohim and Yeshua is 'from the Jews', then is G-d Jewish?

Salvation is from the Jews.

But it is for the whole world.


This is the good point

[Tishri1]

Vis I know what you mean...If God gave the Jewish people His Identity, then if we had to put a lable on it it would be that God is Jewish.....or the identity of God, imparted to the people of God, is a Jewish identity...You could call it anything you want really but the fact that the Jews(or better even the Hebrews) were willing to let His Identity be formed in them presisly as He instucted kinda gives them a one up on the lable for that Identity......Still it's just a lable and doesn't exclude all his kids....grafting is a big deal too!:wave:

[Ivy]

then is G-d Jewish?



Fine with me if he is. Though God, being infinite, must be bigger than all the ethnicities of all time, so I kind of doubt it.
Maybe Jewish AND all the rest of the ethnic groups and a whole whole whole lot more in addition. :clap:

Ask Him, though. See what He says. ;) :D

[jgonz]

The God of the Bible is Jewish, He invented the Jews at Mount Sinai... Jesus is a Jew. The Bible is about the Jewish Religion. The Bible is about the Jewish God.. The Holy One of Israel.
I LOVE this! Very thought provoking. :)

[visionary]

I LOVE this! Very thought provoking. :)Worth serious consideration and all its implications.

[plum]

The God of the Bible is Jewish, He invented the Jews at Mount Sinai... Jesus is a Jew. The Bible is about the Jewish Religion. The Bible is about the Jewish God.. The Holy One of Israel.

Would say these statements are correct?
I wouldn't call HaShem Jewish, no. Because He is not a member of any race, ethnicity, sex, etc, etc etc... However, the Son Yeshua (who is G-d in the flesh) while on Earth was born into a Jewish family/society/religion. So while Yeshua was on earth, he was Jewish for sure! Limiting HaShem to a label that reflects race, culture, ethnicity, etc... that doesn't sit well with me.

And I don't think the Bible is simply about the Jewish religion. But it is written with Israel as the major created player around which all events transpire.

[visionary]

Interesting how much is revealed by the variety of answers.

If Torah represents the character of God, then God is Jewish.

[Yusuphhai]

An interesting is that the new Testament was written by Greek and Christianity roots in Israel but booms in western.. I agree that the whole Bible (Talmud and Scriptures of Apostles ) is the Covenant that Adonai confirms to Israeli nation, His chosen people . But who is “Israel” and who is the chosen people? I confess that I have no enough wisdom to understand what Adonai means, especially the relationship between Jews and Gentiles. :confused: ;) :)


Romans(NRSV)4:16 For this reason it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his descendants, not only to the adherents of the law but also to those who share the faith of Abraham (for he is the father of all of us,

[visionary]

If the coming kingdom is reflected on Mount Sinai, then the Kingdom of God is Jewish and Yeshua is King of the Jews.

[Mary_Magdalene]

I wouldn't call HaShem Jewish, no. Because He is not a member of any race, ethnicity, sex, etc, etc etc... However, the Son Yeshua (who is G-d in the flesh) while on Earth was born into a Jewish family/society/religion. So while Yeshua was on earth, he was Jewish for sure! Limiting HaShem to a label that reflects race, culture, ethnicity, etc... that doesn't sit well with me.

And I don't think the Bible is simply about the Jewish religion. But it is written with Israel as the major created player around which all events transpire.



ITA... :) I think to call G-d a Jew limits Him...

[visionary]

ITA... :) I think to call G-d a Jew limits Him...I think those are the limits that Satan rebelled against.

[Athanasian Creed]

...If Torah represents the character of God, then God is Jewish.

Comes back, does it not, to the definition of what being Jewish entails - is Jewishness only a race of people or a race of people defined by it's religion??


Ray :wave:

[visionary]

It is like asking if I should have used the term \

Israel because that is the nation that is from Abraham's seed, the seed of promise

or

Hebrew because that is the nation that was taken out of the land of Egypt.

[GraceInHim]

isn't G-d spirit?

[visionary]

It what spirit did God manifest Himself,.... Yeshua....the King of the Jews. Who will be the kings and priest of the Kingdom to come? Name the religion.

Like you said in another thread Simonline...

"Torah itself is the revelation of the Nature of G-d"

[Tishri1]

I think the Lable will remain Jew(ish) only because they were the ones obediant to Torah...but so was Yeshua and his desciples did have a lable of "The Way" so maybe we will take another name that reflects who we are Torah observant Believers in Yeshua at some point in the future...but it still looks more Jewish than Christian today:wave:

[Simonline]

It what spirit did God manifest Himself,.... Yeshua....the King of the Jews. Who will be the kings and priest of the Kingdom to come? Name the religion.

Like you said in another thread Simonline...

"Torah itself is the revelation of the Nature of G-d"

Pardon me for being a bit thick :o but I'm not quite grasping the point you're making here? :confused:

Simonline.

[visionary]

Pardon me for being a bit thick :o but I'm not quite grasping the point you're making here? :confused:

Simonline. When I read your statement that Torah is the revelation of the Nature of God that was saying to me that Torah is the very character of God, which is Jewish.

[Shimshon]

Not true. God gave salvation TO the world (Lk.2:10; Jn.3:16) THROUGH Israel. Salvation is FROM God NOT Israel.



Simonline.
John 4:22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know. We worship what we do know, because salvation is from the Jews.


Yeshua is the salvation given by G-d to the world through Yisrael. He is from G-d and He is G-d, and His instructions were given to the Jews (Torah). He is the very decendant of Avraham Yitzak and Yaakov. He is Hebrew, He is Yisraeli, He is Jewish. He is born from the line of David, a Jew through Yisrael, by G-d.

Yes, G-d is Spirit and has been manifest in these last day in the flesh as Yeshua HaMoshiach. Ben David, a Jew.

Yeshua is a Jew, who is also the manifestation of Elohim in the flesh.

Seems G-d choose the Jews to reveal himself to the world.

Believe it or not.

Shimshon

[jgonz]

John 4:22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know. We worship what we do know, because salvation is from the Jews.


Yeshua is the salvation given by G-d to the world through Yisrael. He is from G-d and He is G-d, and His instructions were given to the Jews (Torah). He is the very decendant of Avraham Yitzak and Yaakov. He is Hebrew, He is Yisraeli, He is Jewish. He is born from the line of David, a Jew through Yisrael, by G-d.

Yes, G-d is Spirit and has been manifest in these last day in the flesh as Yeshua HaMoshiach. Ben David, a Jew.

Yeshua is a Jew, who is also the manifestation of Elohim in the flesh.

Seems G-d choose the Jews to reveal himself to the world.


:clap:

[stone]

There is something to the fact that Israel was made to be a light unto the nations of the earth.


and on another note, there are times and places where there will be no humans, but father is still there.

:D

[Yovel]

John 4:22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know. We worship what we do know, because salvation is from the Jews.


Yeshua is the salvation given by G-d to the world through Yisrael. He is from G-d and He is G-d, and His instructions were given to the Jews (Torah). He is the very decendant of Avraham Yitzak and Yaakov. He is Hebrew, He is Yisraeli, He is Jewish. He is born from the line of David, a Jew through Yisrael, by G-d.

Yes, G-d is Spirit and has been manifest in these last day in the flesh as Yeshua HaMoshiach. Ben David, a Jew.

Yeshua is a Jew, who is also the manifestation of Elohim in the flesh.

Seems G-d choose the Jews to reveal himself to the world.

Believe it or not.

ShimshonGee, I don't think I have an arguement for that. Looks like G-d is Jewish. :thumbsup:

[Mary_Magdalene]

Literal translation:

"ye worship what ye have not known; we worship what we have known, because the salvation is of the Jews;" (emphasis mine).


From Matthew Henry Comm:

Salvation is of the Jews; and therefore they know what they worship, and what grounds they go upon in their worship. Not that all the Jews were saved, nor that it was not possible but that many of the Gentiles and Samaritans might be saved, for in every nation he that fears God and works righteousness is accepted of him; but, [1.] The author of eternal salvation comes of the Jews, appears among them (Rom. 9:5), and is sent first to bless them. [2.] The means of eternal salvation are afforded to them. The word of salvation (Acts 13:26) was of the Jews. It was delivered to them, and other nations derived it through them. This was a sure guide to them in their devotions, and they followed it, and therefore knew what they worshipped. To them were committed the oracles of God (Rom. 3:2), and the service of God, (Rom. 9:4).


I dont believe G-d is any religion...

[Mary_Magdalene]

Seems G-d choose the Jews to reveal himself to the world.

Believe it or not.

Shimshon


Exactly. G-d choose the Jews to reveal Himself to the world BUT, Jesus was not Jewish before He came to earth. He is G-d. He chose to come to earth as a Jew-His Father's chosen people. He was, and always has been, eternal.

[visionary]

John 4:22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know. We worship what we do know, because salvation is from the Jews.


Yeshua is the salvation given by G-d to the world through Yisrael. He is from G-d and He is G-d, and His instructions were given to the Jews (Torah). He is the very decendant of Avraham Yitzak and Yaakov. He is Hebrew, He is Yisraeli, He is Jewish. He is born from the line of David, a Jew through Yisrael, by G-d.

Yes, G-d is Spirit and has been manifest in these last day in the flesh as Yeshua HaMoshiach. Ben David, a Jew.

Yeshua is a Jew, who is also the manifestation of Elohim in the flesh.

Seems G-d choose the Jews to reveal himself to the world.

Believe it or not.

Shimshon :clap: Thank you... :thumbsup: I was beginning to worry that even the Messianic did not see the true color of God.

[PastorMikeJ]

And we Christian gentiles are adopted Jews..grafted into the native olive tree..Thank you my brothers and sisters!

[jgonz]

I dont believe G-d is any religion...
GCG, I think I have to disagree here... Based on all of the above evidence, G-d gave His instructions to Moses to be written down. Not any other nation, but Israel. His instructions are what we call "Jewish" today, so therefore, G-d must be the author of the Jewish religion... (not the man-made customs and traditions that man added, but the basics, the instructions G-d gave)....

One could even take your statement and use it to say that G-d could be found through any religion... (which I don't believe you mean).

[Tishri1]

when Yeshua comes back and sets up his kingdom do you suppose he will start from scratch, creating a whole new Torah for us to follow.....?:scratch:

[Mary_Magdalene]

GCG, I think I have to disagree here... Based on all of the above evidence, G-d gave His instructions to Moses to be written down. Not any other nation, but Israel. His instructions are what we call "Jewish" today, so therefore, G-d must be the author of the Jewish religion... (not the man-made customs and traditions that man added, but the basics, the instructions G-d gave)....

One could even take your statement and use it to say that G-d could be found through any religion... (which I don't believe you mean).


Being the "author" is exactly correct. That doesnt make him a certain denomination. G-d is the Creator. He created man before there was certain designations of man. G-d is much more than that. I dont think His profile on CF would say, "im a Jewish male, about 6'4, 200 lbs., I like long walks on the beach, following Torah, and making the sun rise".

all i am saying is to designate Him with a "title" like that kinda seems that we limit what He is.

[Simonline]

John 4:22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know. We worship what we do know, because salvation is from the Jews.


Yeshua is the salvation given by G-d to the world through Yisrael. He is from G-d and He is G-d, and His instructions were given to the Jews (Torah). He is the very decendant of Avraham Yitzak and Yaakov. He is Hebrew, He is Yisraeli, He is Jewish. He is born from the line of David, a Jew through Yisrael, by G-d.

Yes, G-d is Spirit and has been manifest in these last day in the flesh as Yeshua HaMoshiach. Ben David, a Jew.

Yeshua is a Jew, who is also the manifestation of Elohim in the flesh.

Seems G-d choose the Jews to reveal himself to the world.

Believe it or not.

Shimshon

You obviously don't know me. I passionately and unreservedly believe every word of your post (and have done so for the past 20 years or so) and it clearly indicates that you agree with me that salvation is from God through Israel and not from Israel (in spite of the fact that, regarding this matter, the Scriptures (Jn.4:22) are speaking in a relative sense (relative to the Samaritans), whereas we are speaking in the absolute sense, therefore, neither the Scriptures, nor us, are wrong).

Believe it or not.

Simonline.

[Shimshon]

Through Yisrael you know the source. Through the Hebrew people being holy to the source you will know Him. Without the 'conduit' you would not know G-d at all. Yet as most Christian doctrine teaches the conduit has been fit with a sprinkler on the end and now all must come through the sprinkler to receive the water.

Scripture states the nations (you) will know ADONAI Elohim because in your sight He will be showing his holiness 'through' us, Yisrael.

And this is not in days gone by, but in the 'last' days that this will happen.

Through the 'nation' of Yisrael the nations of the world know ADONAI Elohim because he will be showing Himself holy through Yisrael.

Whom he has brought back in order to glorify before the nations. That they might be saved.

Yet, for centuries Christianity has been seeking to seperate themselves from Yisrael and declare. That salvation has come to the world. Yisrael has done her part and now the world is to be glorified by Yeshua beause of what happened through Yisrael when the Messiah came for the first time. They seem to say, before G-d glorified Yisrael, now He glorifies His Children, the Church.

Yet prophecy paints a different picture of the last days. It states that all will come to know Him through Yisrael.

The problem is many see the term "Jew" as a man made religion (rabbinical orthodoxy). But as Shaul stated, a Jew is not merely one outwardly, but inwardly.

All who worship the G-d of Avraham Yitzak Yaacov with all their heart soul and might are 'Jewish' in that they 'praise Yah' with all their being. Which is the meaning of the word Yehudah. He who praises Yah.

We are called to be a representative of the G-d of Avraham Yitzak and Yaakov. Being the image of the Spirit given us. This Spirit praises G-d above all things. In all his ways. Which are found in the 'Hebrew' Torah.


Eze 36:23 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=eze+36:23&version=csb&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1)I will honor the holiness of My great name, which has been profaned among the nations-the name you have profaned among them. The nations will know that I am Yahweh"-the declaration of the Lord God-"when I demonstrate My holiness through you in their sight.



Eze 38:16 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=eze+38:16&version=csb&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1) - You will advance against My people Israel like a cloud covering the land. It will happen in the last days, Gog, that I will bring you against My land so that the nations may know Me, when I show Myself holy through you in their sight.





The expression of the G-d you love is "Jewish" in nature. (Not rabbinical orthodox) No other people has he given his Spirit and his Salvation to. Through her it was given to the world. And the world will know G-d when she, Yisrael, is made holy through G-d.

Then all the nations will take hold of the 'Jew' and say we will follow you. Take us to your G-d. And all will come up to Mount Tziyon to drink the water freely. All who will come may come. .....where? Yerushalayim!!! The nation of Yisrael. To receive freash new wine.

The world will come to the Jew to receive salvation. This is why we present Yeshua, not ourselves as this salvation. Yeshua is in the hearts of His children. He is gathering them to Tziyon. All the nations will worship G-d through Yisrael....all will come up to the mountain and offer themselves. Or no rain will fall for them.

This is to come....But what if you learned G-d was not Jewish? And you reject his Torah? Will those 'know Him' that don't accept that He will show His holiness through Yisrael, the nation of the "Jew"?

Shimshon

[Mary_Magdalene]

Messiah did NOT change any part of Torah or He couldn't be Messiah. Messiah IS Torah. He was/is the living breathing walking commentary on Torah. He IS G-d. Why would G-d change His mind? Either His instructions were right or wrong. They can't be both.

:amen:

[plum]

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