Pat Robertson....(sigh!)...again!

[KEPLER]

The King of Kooks is at it again:

http://www.kare11.com/news/cooler_article.aspx?storyid=115851

When, Oh Lord, will we be delivered of this embarassing boil on the butt of Christianity?

[Protoevangel]

The King of Kooks is at it again:

http://www.kare11.com/news/cooler_article.aspx?storyid=115851

When, Oh Lord, will we be delivered of this embarassing boil on the butt of Christianity?
:eek: Shame on you... You hate Pat, don't you? You hater, you!

Come on, you can't proove scripturally that he's wrong, so you should just accept and love! It's the Lutheran way! :scratch: Isn't it? :P

[ottaia]

Haven't we all been told that we should think before we speak? Maybe that part was abscent from Pat's childhood.

[AngelusSax]

Haven't we all been told that we should think before we speak? Maybe that part was abscent from Pat's childhood.

I don't think it was absent. I just think Pat likes to hear what he has to say for the first time like everyone else has to hear it. That's all. :)

[SPALATIN]

Haven't we all been told that we should think before we speak? Maybe that part was abscent from Pat's childhood.

or maybe his brain. :scratch:

[Qidron]

Hmmm...

[HamletsChoice]

I think Dispensationalism is really the root of the problem. The Dispensationalist worldview is driving many political decisions today and unfortunately is also driving much of Pat's rhetoric.

[KEPLER]

I think Dispensationalism is really the root of the problem. The Dispensationalist worldview is driving many political decisions today and unfortuantely is also driving much of Pat's rhetoric.

No doubt about it!

[LutherNut]

I don't think it was absent. I just think Pat likes to hear what he has to say for the first time like everyone else has to hear it. That's all. :)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^_^ ^_^ ^_^

[homewardbound]

Poor guy doesn't know when to quit. But I guess we shouldn't be too surprised at such absurdity given his history.

[ctay]

I'm just surprised anyone watches his show anymore.

[HamletsChoice]

I'm just surprised anyone watches his show anymore.

I think the only ones watching it are dispensationalists and the main-stream media!

[Qidron]

I think the only ones watching it are dispensationalists and the main-stream media!

I haven't watched Pat Robertson for many years...but the last time I did, he was OK. I don't know what "dispensationalists" are. Please tell me what that means and how Mr. Roberts is one.

Thanks

[HamletsChoice]

I haven't watched Pat Robertson for many years...but the last time I did, he was OK. I don't know what "dispensationalists" are. Please tell me what that means and how Mr. Roberts is one.

Thanks

Dispensationalism is the belief that God brought salvation to the world in different ways during several dispensations or ages.

It is different than most orthodox Christian views that believe Jesus Christ was/is/always will be the only salvation God had/has/will have for mankind. Dispensationalists believe that Israel and the Jewish people are still God's special people and nation regardless of their rejection of Jesus Christ. They believe that God has two special people's on Earth today, Christians and Jews and that the Jews and the Jewish land are under special protection as stipulated in the OT, which is still applicable for the Jews.

Therefore dispensationalists side with Israel 100% of the time and Pat's recent comments about Sharon relate to Pat's belief that Sharon's compromise of the Gaza strip was in direct violation of OT laws and prophecies. Therefore God is punishing Sharon with a stroke.

Dispensationalists even invite Benjamin Netanyahu, former Prime Minister of Israel, to speak at their churches because of their mutual belief that God is on Israel's side and that God does not want Israel to give up the Gaza strip! God is on their side even though Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel reject and deny Jesus as the Christ and Son of God!?! Benjamin Netanyahu is given the dispensationalist pulpit in Christian churches in spite of the fact he denies Christ!?!

In a nutshell, that is dispensationalism and how Pat is one of them.

[DanielRB]

I agree with HamletsChoice--the root of Pat's statements is Dispensationalism, not because he's stupid or crazy. I think Pat has at least average intelligence and he is mentally stable.

Hamlet's defintion of Dispensationalism is pretty much on-target, though I don't think you'll find many Dispensationalists who believe that salvation was through different means other than God's grace in all the ages. They still believe that Christ saves all who are saved, in any dispensation.

The key difference is their view of Israel and the Church. They begin with a very literal hermenutic, saying that all of the Old Testament prophecies concerning Israel will be literally fulfilled--the re-establishing of the Temple in Jerusalem among them. Israel, to the Dispensationalist, is a completely seperate "people of God" from the Church. The Church is a "parenthetical" group between the rejection of Christ by unbelieving Israel and his "secret coming" for the Church in the Rapture. After the Church is taken to heaven, God's special people on earth will only be Israel.

Dispensationalism, even if not theologically understood fully by the masses, is probably the number one popular theology among conservative Christians in the United States. It's certainly the most popular with TV Evangelists.

IMO, it is a dangerous misunderstanding of God's work in history. It also can lead this country into some dangerous policies in the Middle East.

In Christ,

Daniel

[ottaia]

I agree with HamletsChoice--the root of Pat's statements is Dispensationalism, not because he's stupid or crazy. I think Pat has at least average intelligence and he is mentally stable.

I have begun to wonder if the man had a brain tumor or something.

[SPALATIN]

Dispensationalists overlook many things in my opinion and one of them is that Christ has said that he is the church and Temple. "Destroy this temple, and I will rebuild it again in three days" He has done that in his death and resurrection. The Israelites would do well to recognize that Christ has rebuilt the Temple but it is not as they understand a temple. He is the Holy of Holies and that is what they need to understand.

[Flipper]

IMO, it is a dangerous misunderstanding of God's work in history. It also can lead this country into some dangerous policies in the Middle East.

In Christ,

Daniel

:amen:

I can't tell you how many times I've argued with people about this. They don't even care to know about the history of the land - they just know that because the Bible says it's the "Promised Land" then the Palestenians have no right to it, period.

I am a firm believer of freedom of speech, but I can't help but be concerned that some day, something Pat Robertson says will get someone killed.

[Tetzel]

BTW Robertson was planning on building a holy-land theme park, but since his comment on Sharon that has been deep sixed by Israel

[ctay]

I heard that too about it being dropped. I don't see how anyone watches anything on TBN period.....

[SPALATIN]

:amen:

I can't tell you how many times I've argued with people about this. They don't even care to know about the history of the land - they just know that because the Bible says it's the "Promised Land" then the Palestenians have no right to it, period.

I am a firm believer of freedom of speech, but I can't help but be concerned that some day, something Pat Robertson says will get someone killed.

If it has already, Unbeknownst to us, happened. The man is just a poor example of Christianity (but then again so am I) but he gives us a blacker eye than we had before.

[Tetzel]

I heard that too about it being dropped. I don't see how anyone watches anything on TBN period.....

Hey, they show Davey and Goliath. I can't decide who I like less. The smug priests on EWTN or the flashy holy rollers on TBN. I tend to favor the people of TBN because they seem content not to talk about us, whereas the guys on EWTN sometimes like to go on protestants-suck jags.

[Breetai]

Sometimes they have interesting guests on "Praise the Lord". I'm specifically thinking about a couple of my favorite pro wrestlers. :)

[Protoevangel]

Well, Pat did apologize for his statement.

"My concern for the future safety of your nation led me to make remarks which I can now view in retrospect as inappropriate and insensitive in light of a national grief experienced because of your father's illness,"
"I ask your forgiveness and the forgiveness of the people of Israel,"

Bad Theology, bad politics based on that bad Theology, insensitive remarks, yes and yes and yes. But at least he is willing to ask for forgiveness.

[ottaia]

Well, Pat did apologize for his statement.



Bad Theology, bad politics based on that bad Theology, insensitive remarks, yes and yes and yes. But at least he is willing to ask for forgiveness.But some things cannot be undone. "Oops, sorry I dropped that bomb."

[Protoevangel]

But some things cannot be undone. "Oops, sorry I dropped that bomb."
I know exactly how you feel my friend, but 70 times 7.

[VividViolet]

I understand it was the medications the doctors gave Sharon after his first stroke in December caused the bigger one that he's recuperating from now. I don't think that could be God's judgment, but the bad judgment on his doctors. I don't always trust doctors! :mad: You should see what one did me through the wrong meds a couple of years ago. I'm still recuperating from that.

[KEPLER]

Well, Pat did apologize for his statement.



Bad Theology, bad politics based on that bad Theology, insensitive remarks, yes and yes and yes. But at least he is willing to ask for forgiveness.

You forgot the part of the apology where he whined about the media taking his comments out of context. :doh:I listened to it last night, and was impressed until he ruined it by whining. Crocodile tears. :cry:

Kepler

[Protoevangel]

You forgot the part of the apology where he whined about the media taking his comments out of context. :doh:I listened to it last night, and was impressed until he ruined it by whining. Crocodile tears. :cry:

Kepler
Well, I wanted to believe the apology was real. Maybe I should have read the whole transcript. That's so sad! :sigh:

[KagomeShuko]

Hey, they show Davey and Goliath. I can't decide who I like less. The smug priests on EWTN or the flashy holy rollers on TBN. I tend to favor the people of TBN because they seem content not to talk about us, whereas the guys on EWTN sometimes like to go on protestants-suck jags.

Davey and Goliath is the ONLY reason I watch TBN! Sure, because of it being on, I'll sometimes watch the other kid's shows (okay, and to see if there is anything good for Sunday School/education). I don't watch it for anything else.

There are two other Christian channels here. Yes, one is EWTN and I've forgotten the name of the other. I don't watch EWTN. The other, I only watch "Bananas."

That's a show that showcases Christian commedians. Youth Specialties had some of 'em and that's when I learned about the show and then I saw it was on television. The commedians are awesome - if you see that you get it and if Taylor Mason is ever on, definitely watch it.

As for Pat Robertson, I've nothing to say, really.

Stein Auf!
Bridget

[ctay]

I think one channel we get is Angel.

[SPALATIN]

Well, Pat did apologize for his statement.



Bad Theology, bad politics based on that bad Theology, insensitive remarks, yes and yes and yes. But at least he is willing to ask for forgiveness.

Me wonders if that is because he realizes he could lose a lot of money from his coffers if he didn't. :)

[Rechtgläubig]

Me wonders if that is because he realizes he could lose a lot of money from his coffers if he didn't. :)
Oh you read that article too?

[ILoveYeshua]

http://www.christianforums.com/t2524217

Can some of you vote on this? =)

[ottaia]

Me wonders if that is because he realizes he could lose a lot of money from his coffers if he didn't. :)cynical, but true.