Who will be saved?

[the truth]

Who will be saved? I have heard many different arguments on this so let's look at a couple of verses


2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
I think this verse is pretty clear

Next verse
Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

This verse seems to indicate that only certain peple will be saved but this view contradicts scripture reember know prophecy is of any private interpretation

1Ti 2:3 For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Now these verse say that God wants all men to be saved. So which is it. Does he want everyone or only the "elect" Let's look at one more verse

Jhn 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.
Yes it is true that no man cometh to Jesus except the Father draw him but God did that drawing to all men when Christ died on the cross
I think the scripture is clear. God bless. :)

[DeaconDean]

My Bible tells me that "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Rom 10:13)

[BBAS 64]

Good Day, The truth

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name JESUS; for it is he that shall save his people from their sins.

Peace to u,

Bill

[JPPT1974]

Thanks for the verses you all.
As they will come in handy indeed!
:thumbsup:

[the truth]

Don't thank me thank the one who wrote the book. God bless. :)

[arunma]

Now these verse say that God wants all men to be saved. So which is it. Does he want everyone or only the "elect" Let's look at one more verse

Jhn 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.
Yes it is true that no man cometh to Jesus except the Father draw him but God did that drawing to all men when Christ died on the cross
I think the scripture is clear. God bless. :)

St. John 3:16 (perhaps the most famous verse in evangelical Christianity) tells us that God loves the entire world, not only believers. This is how my pastor once explained it, when someone asked him a similar question: God loves the elect, and he shows that love by saving us. God also loves unbelievers in the sense that if only they would come to Christ and be forgiven of their sins, then he would save them, and raise them up on the last day.

I think the Holy Scriptures are clear that no unbelievers will be saved. Christ stands before us as the only Savior. Besides him, there is none other. Can I assume that we agree on this?

[HumbleMan]

St. John 3:16 (perhaps the most famous verse in evangelical Christianity) tells us that God loves the entire world, not only believers. This is how my pastor once explained it, when someone asked him a similar question: God loves the elect, and he shows that love by saving us. God also loves unbelievers in the sense that if only they would come to Christ and be forgiven of their sins, then he would save them, and raise them up on the last day.

I think the Holy Scriptures are clear that no unbelievers will be saved. Christ stands before us as the only Savior. Besides him, there is none other. Can I assume that we agree on this?

Interesting. If I read this correctly, there are God's elect, who are guaranteed salvation, and then there are those that can still be saved if they choose Christ? I'm going to have to go back and listen to some more of his sermons.

[ghs1994]

While I will always maintain that God wants all men to be saved thru Jesus Christ, not all will. There are those in other countries, including this one, who have never heard the Gospel message: yet they are still responsible for their sin. So it is truly about who God has mercy on who will hear the Gospel and have the opportunity to be saved before they die. It is thru Christ only and not all have even heard of Jesus Christ. Paul said how beautiful the feet are of those who bring the Good News. How can they believe if they've never heard?

[arunma]

Interesting. If I read this correctly, there are God's elect, who are guaranteed salvation, and then there are those that can still be saved if they choose Christ? I'm going to have to go back and listen to some more of his sermons.

Well, I'm fairly certain that what I'm saying doesn't depend on my Calvinistic views. I don't think that anyone who isn't of the elect will ever actually come to faith in Christ, but this isn't the point that I wanted to make. The salient point that I did wish to make is that unbelievers cannot be saved, unless they profess faith in Christ.

[MrJim]

Good Day, The truth

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name JESUS; for it is he that shall save his people from their sins.

Peace to u,

Bill


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[arunma]

What's wrong Menno? God's people are his church. For a believer in Covenant Theology, this makes perfect sense. And seeing as how you have Eastern Orthodox leanings, I think that you would probably believe similarly.

[MrJim]

What's wrong Menno? God's people are his church. For a believer in Covenant Theology, this makes perfect sense. And seeing as how you have Eastern Orthodox leanings, I think that you would probably believe similarly.

the full quote on that post was the line "Jesus saves HIS people" again teaching the calvinism thing.

His people. Little mennonite lady passed on a book to me when I was visiting Jan 1 that is required reading for some missionary group her granddaughter is with in Cambodia. It's by your preacher Piper and in it he says that as a believer in predestination/election he takes great comfort in that for missionary work. (I pointed it out to her and of course she looked at me and said "You don't believe that do you?" in a sort of small horrified voice and I said I used to but don't anymore.) If I believed that I would be quite the opposite.

If I believed that I wouldn't have ever had children--why take the chance they may not be elect? Oh what a tangled web...

[BBAS 64]

the full quote on that post was the line "Jesus saves HIS people" again teaching the calvinism thing.

His people. Little mennonite lady passed on a book to me when I was visiting Jan 1 that is required reading for some missionary group her granddaughter is with in Cambodia. It's by your preacher Piper and in it he says that as a believer in predestination/election he takes great comfort in that for missionary work. (I pointed it out to her and of course she looked at me and said "You don't believe that do you?" in a sort of small horrified voice and I said I used to but don't anymore.) If I believed that I would be quite the opposite.

If I believed that I wouldn't have ever had children--why take the chance they may not be elect? Oh what a tangled web...

Good Day, Menno

So am I to assume that you think Jesus does not save his People??

How would that "chance" be your problem?


Peace to u,

Bill

[MrJim]

Good Day, Menno

So am I to assume that you think Jesus does not save his People??

How would that "chance" be your problem?


Peace to u,

Bill

Same thing in not allowing them to play in the street. I don't want them to come to unnecessary harm. I don't let them play in the street because there is a "chance" they could be hit by a car.

If I believed in calvinism why would I chance bringing a new life into the world if they may be destined to be reprobate? I don't even know the odds on new life being elect or not...what do you think? Probably not 50-50 maybe more like 100 to 1 or maybe 1000 to 1 on one of my children not being elect?

And you assume incorrectly. Jesus does save His people. It's the definition of "His people" that we disagree on.

[BBAS 64]

Same thing in not allowing them to play in the street. I don't want them to come to unnecessary harm. I don't let them play in the street because there is a "chance" they could be hit by a car.

If I believed in calvinism why would I chance bringing a new life into the world if they may be destined to be reprobate? I don't even know the odds on new life being elect or not...what do you think? Probably not 50-50 maybe more like 100 to 1 or maybe 1000 to 1 on one of my children not being elect?

And you assume incorrectly. Jesus does save His people. It's the definition of "His people" that we disagree on.

Good Day, Menno

So define the term His people...

While you are at it define the "Shall save" in the text.

Peace to u,

Bill

Off to the Greek text and Ambrose and Chrysostom...

[A Brother In Christ]

My Bible tells me that "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Rom 10:13)

there is also three different forms of vain belief in 1 cor 15

did the unbelievers in Matt 7:21-23 not call on the Lord or did they vainly call on the Lord

[arunma]

the full quote on that post was the line "Jesus saves HIS people" again teaching the calvinism thing.

His people. Little mennonite lady passed on a book to me when I was visiting Jan 1 that is required reading for some missionary group her granddaughter is with in Cambodia. It's by your preacher Piper and in it he says that as a believer in predestination/election he takes great comfort in that for missionary work. (I pointed it out to her and of course she looked at me and said "You don't believe that do you?" in a sort of small horrified voice and I said I used to but don't anymore.) If I believed that I would be quite the opposite.

If I believed that I wouldn't have ever had children--why take the chance they may not be elect? Oh what a tangled web...

But Menno, let us forget about Calvinism, tracts, and even my pastor. The Scripture says that Jesus will save "his people." Are you objecting to the Scripture itself?

[MrJim]

But Menno, let us forget about Calvinism, tracts, and even my pastor. The Scripture says that Jesus will save "his people." Are you objecting to the Scripture itself?

Again-what is "His people"?

The church, the called-out ones, the ones that repent and call upon the name of the Lord.

or

the elect as defined by the randomly chosen by God

[MrJim]

It's amusing how all the stuff I've noted about issues of the lost, or the children, how it is "more" sporting I suppose to keep it at "theological" issues.

If I was a calvinist I would be pleading to God that my children are elect...but that wouldn't do any good would it? It's already a done deal.

Mea Culpa on dragging this conversation out farther than it should but sometimes ya just have to get it off your chest. Apologies to any I've offended-not my intent-just a hairy discussion.

Well I've had enough for now...as leimig (I think that's his name) would say--<<discuss among yourselves>>

[the truth]

Well, I'm fairly certain that what I'm saying doesn't depend on my Calvinistic views. I don't think that anyone who isn't of the elect will ever actually come to faith in Christ, but this isn't the point that I wanted to make. The salient point that I did wish to make is that unbelievers cannot be saved, unless they profess faith in Christ.

So let me get this straight. What you are saying is That unelss a person professes faith in CHrist they can't be saved but a person can't profess faith in Christ unless God allows it. God bless. :)

[arunma]

So let me get this straight. What you are saying is That unelss a person professes faith in CHrist they can't be saved but a person can't profess faith in Christ unless God allows it. God bless. :)

Why yes, that is what I am saying.

[thepianist]

My Bible tells me that "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Rom 10:13)

Couldn't have said it better myself!!!:thumbsup:

[the truth]

Why yes, that is what I am saying.

So is this how your bible reads

Rom 1:16 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom001.html#16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that( God gives the faith to) believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 10:13 For whosever (God allows) to call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

To me that is callling God a liar. I believe God means what he says and if he says whosoever he means whosoever. God bless. :)

[BBAS 64]

So is this how your bible reads

Rom 1:16 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom001.html#16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that( God gives the faith to) believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

To me that is callling God a liar. I believe God means what he says and if he says whosoever he means whosoever. God bless. :)

Good Day, The Truth

You attempt to insert a complete misundeerstanding of the text, has violated a grammer rule in that it restates a definition that is already in the text.

Faith and believe are the same Greek word.

Does God give Faith?? yes/no
Can whosoever believe with out "faith"? yes/no

Peace to u,

Bill

[JPPT1974]

So is this how your bible reads

Rom 1:16 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom001.html#16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that( God gives the faith to) believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 10:13 For whosever (God allows) to call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

To me that is callling God a liar. I believe God means what he says and if he says whosoever he means whosoever. God bless. :)

That is indeed calling God a liar
God speaks the truth and nothing but the truth
Whosever does come to God through Jesus Christ is saved :groupray:

[Sweet Pea]

It is not our faith, that saves us but his faith through us. Just like it's not our strength but his strength through us, his power, grace, wisdom etc... through us. What we have is imperfect only what God is and has is perfect.

[JPPT1974]

We are saved through faith in Jesus Christ
As our Savior & Lord
Repenting of our sins & asking forgiveness.