Baptist and dressing in holiness?

[greenessa]

I know I could post this in the fashion/clothing forum, but it seems more like people arguing as to whether it is required of us or not. I want to know what other women that have been convicted of this have based there decisions on other than prayer. Scripture and teachings are more what I am looking for. Even what you feel that dressing in holiness means for you. Thanks, Vanessa.

[ZiSunka]

Never heard of the term "dressing in holiness." What does that mean?

[mesue]

:scratch: I never heard of the term "dressing in holiness"

Is this a term used to connote dressing out of respect for worship? This is what it would mean to me. Or like in Revelation?
Re:19:8: And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

[greenessa]

<H3>Deuteronomy 22:5 (King James Version)

5The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
I have usually heard reference to this part of scripture, and with it referring to a very modest means of dressing. Vanessa

[MatthewPoole]

I know I could post this in the fashion/clothing forum, but it seems more like people arguing as to whether it is required of us or not. I want to know what other women that have been convicted of this have based there decisions on other than prayer. Scripture and teachings are more what I am looking for. Even what you feel that dressing in holiness means for you. Thanks, Vanessa.

I believe the proper term is modesty. or dressing in a way that doesn't cause others to stumble. this was an issue in the last Pentecostal Church I attended, before I left that bunch for good, quite frankly, the younger women there, dressed mostly like 3rd rate hoes. and it bothered me, alot. one of the *MANY* reasons why I left that Church, for good.

MP
:preach:

[HollyHobbie]

I know what you mean Matthew ! I don't understand why some christian woman feel the need to show more than they need to show in church . It should be a place of respect for God and for the others who worship there.

[thepianist]

I know I could post this in the fashion/clothing forum, but it seems more like people arguing as to whether it is required of us or not. I want to know what other women that have been convicted of this have based there decisions on other than prayer. Scripture and teachings are more what I am looking for. Even what you feel that dressing in holiness means for you. Thanks, Vanessa.

I've never really worried about what to wear to church.....I was brought up to wear my 'best' - to show reverence/respect to God.

One thing I have come to dislike in many different circles, is the emphasis some will place on whether a woman wears pants or a dress! To me, this is something that's definitely up to the woman.....but I don't think we should be wearing 'suits' like a man. Something that amazes me is the fact that in Bible days everyone wore the same kind of clothes......a robe and there were pants underneath!

Anyway, to answer you question, a woman should dress modestly and wear her best to serve her Saviour!

[MatthewPoole]

I know what you mean Matthew ! I don't understand why some christian woman feel the need to show more than they need to show in church . It should be a place of respect for God and for the others who worship there.

Well, it's nice to know someone understands my point of view... :thumbsup:

MP
:preach:

[arunma]

I know I could post this in the fashion/clothing forum, but it seems more like people arguing as to whether it is required of us or not. I want to know what other women that have been convicted of this have based there decisions on other than prayer. Scripture and teachings are more what I am looking for. Even what you feel that dressing in holiness means for you. Thanks, Vanessa.

Shouldn't men also dress with modesty?

[blessedmomof5]

well here's my opnion on the subject, now i am not bble wiz, and it could say somewhere in there, what is to be expected. and i would doubt noew it would be robes but i think casual is fine, i do not think your sunday best is needed, as long as you go to church and listen to the word of God , that is whats important, id does not mean we are to dress like flimsy men and women, but respectful , and what that means for each person is diffrent, . i for one would never go in a halter , withour a little sleeve, nor a mini skirt, but then i would never weara mini skirt...... it reminds me of a song yrs a ago "signs"
ok kinda long...but when you get to the bottom it shows its point....ok seclualar music, but its an oldie and came to mind as soon as i read this post...

and the sign said long-haired, freaky people
need not apply
so i tucked my hair up under my hat
and i went in to ask him why
he said you look like a fine upstanding young man,
i think you'll do
so i took off my hat and said imagine that!
ha! me, working for you!

oh, sign, sign, everywhere a sign
blocking out the scenery, breaking my mind
do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?

and the sign said anybody caught trespassing
would be shot on sight
so i jumped on the fence and i yelled at the house
hey! what gives you the right
to put up a fence to keep me out
or to keep mother nature in?
if god was here he'd tell you to your face
man you're some kind of sinner

sign, sign, everywhere a sign
blocking out the scenery breaking my mind
do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?

now hey you mister, can't you read?
you got to have a shirt and tie to get a seat
you can't even watch, no you can't eat
you ain't supposed to be here

sign said you got to have a membership card to get inside

and the sign said everybody welcome
come in, kneel down and pray
but when they passed around the plate at the end of it all
i didn't have a penny to pay
so i got me a pen and a paper
and i made up my own little sign
i said thank you lord for thinking about me
i'm alive and doing fine

sign, sign, everywhere a sign
blocking out the scenery breaking my mind
do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?


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[TwinCrier]

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel...1Tim 2:9


Hopefully all Christian women dress for church without intentionally showing off legs and cleavage to intice or tempt men, but in our sinful nature we sometimes have to be reminded that we should be modest in appearance as well as behavior. It used to go without saying that you would wear nice, clean clothes to worship God. At my Dad's funeral this pass week I saw everything from pajama bottoms to flip flops (in December?) If we are to do all for the glory of God it only makes sense that our appearance is included.
http://www.achristianhome.com/ModestFeminine/ModestyFeminineAttireIndex.htm

[NothingButTheBlood]

I figure as long as it's something I wouldn't be embarrased to meet Christ in I'm ok. I do dress more formally for Sunday church than Tuesday. Unless we are doing visitation. I also wear pants. When it's really cold or snowing.

[DiscipleOfIAm]

Here's a good article that gives some good arguments for modest apparel. http://www.momof9splace.com/modesty.html

[blessedmomof5]

HHHMMMMMMM:scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: just read that.....DisaipleOfIAM

[DiscipleOfIAm]

HHHMMMMMMM:scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: just read that.....DisaipleOfIAM

Meaning it made you think or it made you mad? :) I'm a little slow sometimes, so you'll have to elaborate.

[blessedmomof5]

thought i was the slowww one today....lol Nope made me think, then made me think UGH its so cold outside, i am always freezing,,,then made me think...ok not about me.....see made me think....:sigh:

[DiscipleOfIAm]

thought i was the slowww one today....lol Nope made me think, then made me think UGH its so cold outside, i am always freezing,,,then made me think...ok not about me.....see made me think....:sigh:

I heard someone else say it was too cold to be wearing skirts and dresses!! Can't remember who it was though...it might have been on another thread. Anyway, at least everyone is thinking :thumbsup:

[DiscipleOfIAm]

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel...1Tim 2:9


Hopefully all Christian women dress for church without intentionally showing off legs and cleavage to intice or tempt men, but in our sinful nature we sometimes have to be reminded that we should be modest in appearance as well as behavior. It used to go without saying that you would wear nice, clean clothes to worship God. At my Dad's funeral this pass week I saw everything from pajama bottoms to flip flops (in December?) If we are to do all for the glory of God it only makes sense that our appearance is included.
http://www.achristianhome.com/ModestFeminine/ModestyFeminineAttireIndex.htm (http://www.achristianhome.com/ModestFeminine/ModestyFeminineAttireIndex.htm)

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TwinCrier again.

Amen.

[blessedmomof5]

ok i will say in my defense it was I that said about the dresses in the other thread, in the winter only..... does that count? lol ok my defense, i do not go in flip flops nor do i go in pasties....am i allowed to say that?:blush: nor halter tops or bathing suits.... pants and shirts....and most times i need to leave my coat on....thats where the freezing part comes in...so i guess i need to go buy dresses now? hmmm :scratch: where will i go?ahh LONG dresses... legs stay warm...fuzzy boots. ok i set myself up...and yes reps are going out...

[jochanaan]

I figure as long as it's something I wouldn't be embarrased to meet Christ in I'm ok...
Well, if I met Jesus--when I meet Him--I don't think I'll worry at all what I'm wearing! In fact, I think I'll be dressed in His righteousness alone.:)

There is a story about an African missionary who encouraged the natives to acquire clothes and wear them to church. But soon he noticed that the supposedly-converted natives paid much more attention to each other's clothes than to his teachings. So he made a new rule: Everybody must come to church in the nude! Missionary included. Problem solved! They worshipped God much more truly. (The natives weren't really accustomed to wearing clothes anyway, never having done so before. And they didn't have our silly nudity-equals-sex mindset.)

[arunma]

Well, if I met Jesus--when I meet Him--I don't think I'll worry at all what I'm wearing! In fact, I think I'll be dressed in His righteousness alone.:)

There is a story about an African missionary who encouraged the natives to acquire clothes and wear them to church. But soon he noticed that the supposedly-converted natives paid much more attention to each other's clothes than to his teachings. So he made a new rule: Everybody must come to church in the nude! Missionary included. Problem solved! They worshipped God much more truly. (The natives weren't really accustomed to wearing clothes anyway, never having done so before. And they didn't have our silly nudity-equals-sex mindset.)

Assuming that this story is true, that was certainly a wise missionary. Clothing standards vary between cultures, but Christ and his cross do not vary. And it is on the cross that we must focus, not on our cultural standards.

[Febe]

:) I always dress modest and neat - not only in church.:)

:clap: I am a temple of the Holy Spirit!:clap:

[DiscipleOfIAm]

Assuming that this story is true, that was certainly a wise missionary. Clothing standards vary between cultures, but Christ and his cross do not vary. And it is on the cross that we must focus, not on our cultural standards.

I suppose the teachings of Paul and how he addressed apparel were for his time and culture only then? ;)

[jochanaan]

I suppose the teachings of Paul and how he addressed apparel were for his time and culture only then? ;)
And what about II Corinthians 13:12? "Greet one another with an holy kiss." Is that cultural, or absolute?;)

[greenessa]

I have to resign myself to the fact that this is a hot topic. I had hoped for no debate. And even though it is called dressing in modesty by some, I was directing this post to people that dress biblically as a part of their faith and not to discuss the weather. Thanks, Vanessa.

[DiscipleOfIAm]

And what about II Corinthians 13:12? "Greet one another with an holy kiss." Is that cultural, or absolute?;)

It is my opinion that God and His teachings do not change just because our time or culture has changed. We should be considered "weirdos" to everyone in the world. If we weren't than we wouldn't be living how the Bible tells us to live! :kiss:

God Bless!

[DiscipleOfIAm]

I have to resign myself to the fact that this is a hot topic. I had hoped for no debate. And even though it is called dressing in modesty by some, I was directing this post to people that dress biblically as a part of their faith and not to discuss the weather. Thanks, Vanessa.

Sorry we have disappointed you ;) But, remember, we are Baptists. And there are so many different types of Baptists that we are bound to disagree and debate one another! But, we all love each other and do it in love!

[TwinCrier]

It is my opinion that God and His teachings do not change just because our time or culture has changed. We should be considered "weirdos" to everyone in the world. If we weren't than we wouldn't be living how the Bible tells us to live! :kiss:

God Bless!Weirdos is just modern lingo for "peculiar people." ;)

[MrJim]

Well, if I met Jesus--when I meet Him--I don't think I'll worry at all what I'm wearing! In fact, I think I'll be dressed in His righteousness alone.:)

There is a story about an African missionary who encouraged the natives to acquire clothes and wear them to church. But soon he noticed that the supposedly-converted natives paid much more attention to each other's clothes than to his teachings. So he made a new rule: Everybody must come to church in the nude! Missionary included. Problem solved! They worshipped God much more truly. (The natives weren't really accustomed to wearing clothes anyway, never having done so before. And they didn't have our silly nudity-equals-sex mindset.)

Eh, not buying this tale nor the cultural compromise moral of the story.

[MatthewPoole]

Shouldn't men also dress with modesty?

Absolutely! That modesty thing goes for both Men and Women. No tight fitting jeans on Men. Dress slacks preferred. Sadly, in Some Churches, the Biased is against the Women and the Men Dress as they like. and trust me, it's not right. :thumbsup:

[JPPT1974]

Absolutely! That modesty thing goes for both Men and Women. No tight fitting jeans on Men. Dress slacks preferred. Sadly, in Some Churches, the Biased is against the Women and the Men Dress as they like. and trust me, it's not right. :thumbsup:


You are right about that my friend!
Couldn't agree with you anymore!

[Febe]

http://www3.christianforums.com/images/quotes/quot-by-left.gifOriginally Posted by: MatthewPoole http://www3.christianforums.com/images/quotes/quot-by-right.gifhttp://www3.christianforums.com/images/quotes/quot-top-right-10.gifAbsolutely! That modesty thing goes for both Men and WomenYou are right about that my friend!
Couldn't agree with you anymore!



I am with You there!:thumbsup:

We are temples of the Holy Spirit, all of us, and should be acting thereafter...

[Joykins]

It is my opinion that God and His teachings do not change just because our time or culture has changed. We should be considered "weirdos" to everyone in the world. If we weren't than we wouldn't be living how the Bible tells us to live! :kiss:

God Bless!

God does not change, maybe, but clothing certainly does.


If you look around at our culture, it is obvious that pants are women's clothes. In fact, pants are also traditional garb in some other countries, such as this, and are considered very modest: http://www.emarkaz.com/shop/store/emarkazDressDetail.php?cname=&product_id=3329

The point of modesty is not to wear anything that is obviously tempting and distracting to others, and that is a *cultural* standard.

I had a friend who was wearing a Renaissance costume -- long dress, but *extremely* low-cut--on her college campus on the way to an SCA event. A Street preacher held that up as an example of modest dress (which my friend thought silly--it was so low cut). Anyway.

I believe the command in Deut. 22:5 had to do with cross-dressing in order to deceive, not that Women's Clothing was stamped into permanent template in 1855 and we cannot deviate from it...

That said, I think dresses can be quite warm in the winter--I've worn a long flannel jumper with a slip and cotton tights and it was just as warm as pants, maybe warmer.

[Joykins]

Here's a good article that gives some good arguments for modest apparel. http://www.momof9splace.com/modesty.html


I just read that.

I HOPE that lady is not wearing mixed fiber clothes! :eek:

[TwinCrier]

I just read that.

I HOPE that lady is not wearing mixed fiber clothes! :eek:This silly argument is getting old.
http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.showResource/CT/BQA/k/192

[blessedmomof5]

ok, now we need to wear certain fabrics?? :doh: :doh: :doh: sorry if i offend i am going back to my warm clothes which consist of pants and SWEATER.....don't really think i will be going to hell for that?:scratch:

[MrJim]

In the marine corps our drill instructors said men don't wear pants (when a recruit referred to them as such)

Women wear pants
Men wear trousers

Who's gonna argue with a Jarhead DI?

[Joykins]

This silly argument is getting old.
http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.showResource/CT/BQA/k/192

I agree, it is a silly argument.

It pales in silliness compared to the silly arguments on that site, though. And it is in exactly the same vein, too (although everything pales next to the mindboggling lameness of the bathroom door picture argument).

I dress modestly, by community standards. I understand why others would be convincted, personally, to dress to some other modest standard. But when you use the Old Testament standard of strict legalism to defend your clothing choices (and condemn others'), all other arguments of strict legalism (esp. in clothing choice) become valid--in other words, this is PICKING and CHOOSING from scripture to justify behavior, which accusation is often flung at liberals but really applies to nearly everyone ;)

[arunma]

Absolutely! That modesty thing goes for both Men and Women. No tight fitting jeans on Men. Dress slacks preferred. Sadly, in Some Churches, the Biased is against the Women and the Men Dress as they like. and trust me, it's not right. :thumbsup:

Well, I was referring more to modest dress than to formal dress. I am personally convicted that one need not wear formal attire to church. A good number of the college students at my church, including myself, usually wear jeans and a T-shirt.

Rather, I was referring to modest dress, both in and out of church. You are right to say that there is a bias against women. It exists to such an extent that if I were asked to define modest dress for a man, I would be unable to do so. Do you have any opinions on this?

[Razorbuck]

Who's gonna argue with a Jarhead DI?

Not me. (Not where he could hear me, anyway)

[TwinCrier]

I agree, it is a silly argument.

It pales in silliness compared to the silly arguments on that site, though. And it is in exactly the same vein, too (although everything pales next to the mindboggling lameness of the bathroom door picture argument).

I dress modestly, by community standards. I understand why others would be convincted, personally, to dress to some other modest standard. But when you use the Old Testament standard of strict legalism to defend your clothing choices (and condemn others'), all other arguments of strict legalism (esp. in clothing choice) become valid--in other words, this is PICKING and CHOOSING from scripture to justify behavior, which accusation is often flung at liberals but really applies to nearly everyone ;)No, it's just following scripture in context. Using your own sinful nature as final judgement over God's word usually meets our standards, not God's. It's not picking and choosing, it's applying the words in context. It's not a sin to buy and wear mixed fabric clothes, just an unwise use of resources. That's why we have people believing in the real presence but not a literal creation. Context is everything.

[Joykins]

No, it's just following scripture in context. Using your own sinful nature as final judgement over God's word usually meets our standards, not God's. It's not picking and choosing, it's applying the words in context. It's not a sin to buy and wear mixed fabric clothes, just an unwise use of resources.

Linsey-woolsey was often worn by colonial Americans because it was sturdy and strong, if not exactly *soft*.

In context, the verses have to do with mingling different things together (not planting or herding mixed batches of crops or animals, not wearing clothes made from different kinds of fibers).

It's probably from the same kind of reasoning behind (and is often mentioned in rabbinical commentary along with) the prohibition from serving milk and meat together (which according to rabbinical commentary, is something Jews do because God wants them to, not for any known reason). Although the underlying theme of "prohibited ways of mixing things" is also there.

That's why we have people believing in the real presence but not a literal creation. Context is everything.

What is the "context" of the creation story that demands a literal reading, and the "context" of the Last Supper story that forbids it? If it were so obvious from context, why is the whole CF population pretty evenly split on such issues?

[rosemerry]

I have been in debates where if a man lusts after a woman then it's the woman's fault and none of the responsibility falls on the man.

Now there are a few men I relate too and care about. Family, church friends, and my boyfriend. There were clothes that I owned that made my male friends uncomfortable around me when I wore them. So I stopped out of respect for them. Everyone else can blow it out there ear. :D

I wear jeans to work and to play paintball. So yes I wear jeans to church. And I would never wear a dress or skirt to play paintball. That would just be silly and immodest. I'm making my own clothes because I love ren wear (bosom covered) civil war, and the gay 90's (1890's) turn of the century as well.