Preparing for the Next Expulsion

[stone]

"The next expulsion is not far off," warned former Foreign and Defense Minister Moshe Arens warned at a meeting of local Yesha representatives held in Beit El earlier this week.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=95691

I don't know, this Sharon guy isn't makeing much sense. I would think that since attacks continue after the 1st withdrawal that they will continue after the next and after the next. I haven't seen much peace developing after the withdrawal.

I would threaten to retake the GAza strip if there was another attack. Then i would take it after they attacked, we all know that they are going to attack again and again.

Perhaps he is truely trying to obtain peace, but i think it should be obvious that this witdrawing strategy is not going to work. Time for plan B, whatever that is.

:prayer:

*keeping Israel in my prayers*

[HaNotsri]

The only true plan for peace is one that Rabbi Meir Kahane espoused and Rabbi Binyamin Elon is espousing. That is the transfer of the hostile Arab element out of Israel. Forcibly remove them and relocate them in any of the surrouding 22 Arab countries. While I don't agree with Rabbi Kahane's supposed racist tendencies, he made a lot of sense and was very aware of the direction all of these "peace processes" were going to go. Go to Israeli MK Rabbi Binyamin Elon's plan: http://www.therightroadtopeace.com/

Basically this is what should happen. The population exchange that was started in the War of Independence (whereby between 600-700,000 Arab refugees were created and the same for Jewish refugees from Arab countries) should be completed. The newly formed State of Israel took responsibility for all of the refugees that were created when the Arab nations kicked them out. The Arab world didn't do the same for the Palestinian refugees.

Instead of rehabilitating those refugees and making them citizens of their countries when they controlled Gaza and the West Bank, Egpyt and Jordan chose to use those people in war (several actually) against Israel. To the victor of war goes the spoils and Israel won (once again) in 1967 and took control of the entire Sinai (which they gave back in 1982), the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. And it's not like these were aggressive wars either. All of Israel's wars (other than the 1956 Suez War as some would argue, though I would argue differently) have been defensive in nature. We don't even need to mention the decades of terror that followed.

Israel should assert control over biblical Gaza, Judea, and Samaria. The Palestinian Authority should be eliminated and seen as an illegitimate entity. Jordan should become the only legitimate Palestinian entity as its population is already 60% Palestinian (according to the PA's website). The transfer of populations that begun in the War of Independence should be completed whereas Israel took in and responsibility for the Jewish refugees created, the Arab world should finally take responsibility for their refugees. Israel should provide assistance with the surrounding countries in rehabilitating and naturalizing these refugees into their new countries. Any Arab who wishes to live in a democracy with civil rights as a loyal citizen of the State of Israel should be allowed to. Though Israel should retain the right to deport any of those who become hostile to the security of the citizens of Israel.

I think we all feel for the plight of the Palestinian people. Their living conditions are deplorable. But it was the Arab world who instilled a false sense of nationalism and Jew hatred into their psyche. Not to mention the fact that they could have had their state (with Jerusalem I might add) numerous times, instead they resorted to violence. It really is upsetting that there are Palestinian Christians (who are fed the lies by their Moslem bretheren) are caught in the cross-fire. While I don't blame Israel for the creation of the Palestinian refugee problem. I do think Israel has had a responsibility since taking control of those areas to try and ease the Palestinian suffering with medical services and other necessities. But they have been backed into an area where they really can't trust the Arabs and so it makes it hard. The roadblocks, racial-profiling, and military maneuvers to scout out terrorists are all necessary and key to Israel's survival. I would hope none of us hate Palestinians, but I hope that all of us are realists as well.

Let us pray for a just and holy peace in the Land of Israel: for both Jew and Arab, brothers through Abraham, and children of God. May the sufferings of both come to an end speedily. May the hope of Jesus Christ come to all!

[stone]

but the attacks are comeing from outside of the Israeli borders currently. I'm sure there are going to be some sleeper cells within the borders, but the big problem i see is that attacks from outside the borders are not only comeing from Palestine.

[HaNotsri]

That's true, but attacks from Hizbullah in Lebanon and Syria are not hitting major population centers as they don't have the range. That's why giving up Gaza was such an error because now the Palestinians can attack some major population centers AND military bases. If you remove them from inside the borders, the fighting will continue. But the gen-pop will be safer for both Arab and Jew

[stone]

whose idea was it to withdraw from the gaza strip 1st anyway, that person should be fired.

[HaNotsri]

Interestingly enough, Ariel Sharon was elected Prime Minister on the platform that he would be tough on terror and had said that Israel would not give up any of the land. After all, he is the av hayishuvim (the father of the settlements), he is the one that pushed for the settlements of Sinai, Gaza, Judea and Samaria. In 2003, Amram Mitznah who was running for the leadership of the Labor list (a leftist party, Sharon was in Likud which is a rightist party) in Israel, he ran on a platform that if he were elected Prime Minister he would unilaterally withdraw from Gaza. He lost the leadership run.

Sharon was/is under world scrutiny for various reasons. He is seen as a hardliner, he's being looked into for war crimes as a result of the Christian Philangist paramilitaries murdering thousands of Palestinians in Lebanon (He was the Israeli Defense Minister at the time and Israeli troops were guarding the refugee camp that these Palestinians were in when the Christian Philangists came and murdered them. The Israeli soldiers did nothing. Many believe Sharon ordered the attack), and there was plenty of corruption in the circle of Israeli politics (campaign finance, etc). He has a lot on his plate and is trying save face...so what does he do? He tries to turn himself into a dove. He lifted Amram Mitznah's plan of unilateral disengagement and takes it for his own. He's trying to avoid prosecution by showing the world that he is an active partner for peace with the Palestinians. All that bull crap about security concerns and a two-state solution is all nonsense.

[Yovel]

I don't like what is going on in Israel as far as giving away land to the Palistinians. But this may be G-d's will.

Zep 2:4 For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation; they shall drive out Ashdod at noonday, and Ekron shall be rooted up.

One good thing about all this is that all the terrorists are in one place, they can all be wiped out very easily, all at once.

I read somewhere that 60% of the Jews in Israel want to be called Israeli not Jewish. Until Israel turns to G-d with their whole heart they will have nothing but trouble.

[stone]

if sharon is successful with more withdrawals, the Israeli's will also be concentrated.


what is that prophecy that some think armageddon will involve the death of more jews than that of ww2? I'm just kinda hopeing it's not a real prophecy or has already been fulfilled. It's no wonder orthodox jews do not accept the word of Y-shua if there is something like that to look forward to.

[talmidim]

I don't like what is going on in Israel as far as giving away land to the Palistinians. But this may be G-d's will.

Zep 2:4 For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation; they shall drive out Ashdod at noonday, and Ekron shall be rooted up.

One good thing about all this is that all the terrorists are in one place, they can all be wiped out very easily, all at once.

I read somewhere that 60% of the Jews in Israel want to be called Israeli not Jewish. Until Israel turns to G-d with their whole heart they will have nothing but trouble.Shalom Yovel,

Did you notice the verses in Zephaniah just previous?

Zep 2:1 Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired;
Zep 2:2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.
Zep 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.
This is a euphemistic referrence to the Day of the Lord, right? So this links the Day of the Lord to the forsaking of Gaza! Now look at this:

Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
The context of these verses are also about the Day of the Lord. The Israeli Supreme Court has declared that Judea-Sumeria (that is the West Bank including East Jerusalem and the Temple Mount) is not a part of Israel. The captivity of Judah and Jerusalem is coming with the next round of expulsions.

We know what the valley of Jehoshaphat is. It is the L-rd's wrath upon the heathen nations, but look at the stated CAUSE of His return: "and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land."

Isaiah is very clear how this "pleading" will occur...

Isa 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
"The day of the L-RD," according to scripture is tied to the "parting of the land" (giving away His inheritance) and a World War. But why does it happen at this juncture? To understand this, we must look at the prophetic blessings spoken over Jacob and Esau in Genesis 27.


Gen 27:27 And he came near, and kissed him: and he smelled the smell of his raiment, and blessed him, and said, See, the smell of my son is as the smell of a field which the LORD hath blessed:
Gen 27:28 Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine:
Gen 27:29 Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.
It took me the longest time to understand this. I understood that Jacob was now lord of the clan. What I didn’t get was that Esau and his children were PROTECTED UNDER JACOBS BLESSING AND COVENANT. But some thing in that relationship has changed recently! Do you know what it is? Let's look at the blessing of Esau:


Gen 27:39 And Isaac his father answered and said unto him, Behold, thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the earth, and of the dew of heaven from above;
Gen 27:40 (a) And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother;
We know the context of these scriptures is eretz Israel. "the fatness of the earth, and of the dew of heaven from above", is the idiom that was used to describe the inheritance of Jacob earlier in this chapter of Genesis, and we all know that the children of Jacob did indeed inherit Israel. And the second part of the blessing is about the brothers children contending over the land. Why? Well, never during his life did Esau serve Jacob, with or without the sword. This HAS to be a prophecy about their children, their nations…


Gen 27:40 (b) and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.
Since this never really happened as stated in the original blessing, I must assume this to be an end time prophecy too, because well, we are in the end times. In fact, their children constantly struggled with each other throughout history, but Esau, Edom, etc., never truly had dominion of any land in Israel.

Dominion is a legal term that means to rightfully own the land. We know that this has never happened because the L-rd gave it as an EVERLASTING inheritance to Israel. The only way for Esau to gain dominion is for all the children of Israel TO DIE (sound familiar?) or for them to GIVE or SELL it to Esau.

And what does the second part mean? The part about breaking the yoke off his neck? Yoke is a referrence to covenant in scripture (Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light). When the children of Esau (the Palestinians) gained dominion in the land (legal entitlement granted by Israel) they came out from under the covenant protection ("cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee") that was passed on to Jacob in the blessing made by Isaac.

I agree with you initial premise. This is the will of G-d!

[stone]

I do enjoy reading your post Talmidim.


I know it's the will of father, i'm just a bit concerned about what the end time prophecies are?

Is there a book about this somewhere? I guess i could look at ffoz.

[Yovel]

Shalom Talmidim,

Thanks for the incite on the Day of the L-rd.

[Mary_Magdalene]

I pray for the peace of Jerusalem knowing that peace will only come when Messiah comes.

come, Lord Jesus, come. :prayer:

[stone]

Under Pressure from Hezbollah Sharon Mulls Leaving Arab Village


Prime Minister Ariel Sharon will decide on Wednesday whether to authorize the IDF to implement another unilateral Israeli withdrawal from territory conquered in the 1967 Six Day War.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=95965


I heard on the news the other day that Sharon decided not to have any more withdrawals. ;)

[HaNotsri]

Sharon is a traitor and now it seems Bibi and the other Likudniks are (though I support more of his plans of withdrawal than Sharon). It now seems even the NRP is going sour. It seems all the idealists are fading away. It's sad. I really wanted to go see Chevron and some other places when I was in Israel in July, but was unable too do to health. Now it seems I'll never get the chance :( Because Israel won't be the same country next time I go. Oh wait, I could always visit the "democratic" state of Palestine...give me a break

[Mary_Magdalene]

Wierd how he pulled outta gaza and ended up in the hospital weeks later...

[stone]

Severe violence in Gush Etzion, as IDF forces tear-gassed a home they were about to destroy, pepper-sprayed protestors, & punched and dragged those who interfered. 12 children were hurt by tear gas.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=96449


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I pray that this will be the last time Israeli's are forced to leave their homes.
:prayer:

[GraceInHim]

who would rather see ,, I call him,,, Netanyahooooo ??

Love him :)

[HaNotsri]

Netanyahu and the Likudniks are going to uproot communities as well (at least they're planning on doing things unilaterally), though not as much.

The only lists that have any sense of sanity are National Union and Moledet (which is a part of the National Union. The NRP seems to be slipping away. The Haredim care only about money going to their school systems and Shas is worried about Sephardi treatment and is corrupt.