If you became incapacitated...

[Lutherrunner]

maybe a stroke or something.....and you couldn't talk and maybe were in a wheelchair.....and a family member or caretaker started taking you to a different church....with a theology that you really don't agree with....but your mind was alert and you had to listen to it and couldn't tell them......wouldn't that be frustrating?

I suppose it's weird that I even thought about this, but I did and now it bothers me......it could happen you know......wonder if you can put that in a court order?

[Jim47]

maybe a stroke or something.....and you couldn't talk and maybe were in a wheelchair.....and a family member or caretaker started taking you to a different church....with a theology that you really don't agree with....but your mind was alert and you had to listen to it and couldn't tell them......wouldn't that be frustrating?

I suppose it's weird that I even thought about this, but I did and now it bothers me......it could happen you know......wonder if you can put that in a court order?


That would be enough to give me a second stroke and send me to Heaven then and here. :D

[Flipper]

Hmmmm, makes me wonder if language to that effect should be added to my living will?

[RedneckAnglican]

all I saw in the title was incapacitated...I thought we were talking about New Year's Eve...

[RayJGentry]

Well, you'd for sure have a lot of time to analyze your beliefs and compare and contrast them with the church you were attending. However it would grow increasingly difficult to not be able to study scripture and go back and forth. I think eventually it would take it's toll on me also. Although at least I would still be hearing the Word and be in a church, so i think I'd probably survive nonetheless.

[SPALATIN]

Put it in a living will that whoever takes you to church takes you to your church. Usually a church will work out something to get you to and from church or the Pastor can make housecalls on a weekly basis to the shut-ins. There are ways.

[C.F.W. Walther]

I've allways been of the opinion that I could find Jesus no matter where I attend but in this case..........hmm. Might be challenging because of my condition. Guess it all depends on how firm a foundation has been built.

[Lutherrunner]

I've allways been of the opinion that I could find Jesus no matter where I attend but in this case..........hmm. Might be challenging because of my condition. Guess it all depends on how firm a foundation has been built.

how 'bout if they had drums, guitars, multimedia screens, mindless praise music, hands in the air and altar calls?...(oh, and no "eucharist" )

[ctay]

aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh no Eucharist??? Got to have that somehow someway....

[C.F.W. Walther]

been there, done that for years and it made me want to finally to come back to the Lutheran church. "Name it and claim it" and "miraculous healing" ministries wre very agitating. Actually the situation made me more steadfast than ever to stay in the Luth church.

'Course if it was a forced situation then I would probably leave info for the power of attorney to not allow attendance at any other church, among other things, like a living will to.

[SPALATIN]

how 'bout if they had drums, guitars, multimedia screens, mindless praise music, hands in the air and altar calls?...(oh, and no "eucharist" )

Then I would pray that God take me now, this is more than I can take. ;)

[ChiRho]

maybe a stroke or something.....and you couldn't talk and maybe were in a wheelchair.....and a family member or caretaker started taking you to a different church....with a theology that you really don't agree with....but your mind was alert and you had to listen to it and couldn't tell them......wouldn't that be frustrating?

I suppose it's weird that I even thought about this, but I did and now it bothers me......it could happen you know......wonder if you can put that in a court order?

If I was in a wheelchair, I'd fight 'em. Beat 'em down and then wheel my crippled body to my church.

If I truly wasn't able to do that, my family knows where to drop me off and where to pick me up at. If I have to, I'll flop like a fish to the altar.

[SPALATIN]

If I was in a wheelchair, I'd fight 'em. Beat 'em down and then wheel my crippled body to my church.

If I truly wasn't able to do that, my family knows where to drop me off and where to pick me up at. If I have to, I'll flop like a fish to the altar.

I would flop with you myself. Hopefully by that time they will have GPS with automatic memory put on wheelchairs I will just have my coordinates put in and let the chair take me there.

[LilLamb219]

If I have to, I'll flop like a fish to the altar.

Oh no! Not for an altar call I hope ;)

Were you talking about communion?

[Edial]

maybe a stroke or something.....and you couldn't talk and maybe were in a wheelchair.....and a family member or caretaker started taking you to a different church....with a theology that you really don't agree with....but your mind was alert and you had to listen to it and couldn't tell them......wouldn't that be frustrating?

I suppose it's weird that I even thought about this, but I did and now it bothers me......it could happen you know......wonder if you can put that in a court order?
Fascinating question.

Outside of my surprise at a stereotype that the Lutherans in this thread consistently appear to have concerning the "outside world", I would like to add this. Peace of God what counts. The inner peace.

Apostle Peter appears to have had similar concerns.
He had a "fear of losing control over his faith" - not his faith, but control over it.

And Jesus did tell him a rather startling news concerning his old age.
JN 21:17 The third time he said to him, "Simon son of John, do you love me?"Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, "Do you love me?" He said, "Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you."Jesus said, "Feed my sheep. 18 I tell you the truth, when you were younger you dressed yourself and went where you wanted; but when you are old you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go." 19 Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God. Then he said to him, "Follow me!"

Peter will glorify him by having an inner peace by being taken where he did not want to.

Dear Lutherrunner, when there is inner peace even the Baptists are OK. :)

Thanks,
Ed

[Edial]

all I saw in the title was incapacitated...I thought we were talking about New Year's Eve...
:D . I also thought that.

Ed

[Flipper]

:D . I also thought that.

Ed

Yea - pass out after drinking a tad too much brewsky Saturday night, wake up Sunday morning in an AOG church during the "speaking in tongues" part of the service. ^_^

[BigNorsk]

My grandmother was disabled for most of her life. She got polio when she was 16 and though she got around with leg braces and walkers, moving around in public was more of a wheelchair thing. Those were the days before handicap accessability was available very widely.

If she was in the congregation during Communion, the pastor always came down to her. If she didn't make it in for Communion he always made sure she received Communion in her home at least monthly.

I have always assumed the same would be done for me if necessary.

Do some of you have pastors that do not visit the shut-ins and not take Communion there for them? Seems wierd to me if true. After all what's a pastor for?

I assume that the case is just that some aren't aware of how shut-ins are ministered to.

Marv

[Flipper]

My grandmother was disabled for most of her life. She got polio when she was 16 and though she got around with leg braces and walkers, moving around in public was more of a wheelchair thing. Those were the days before handicap accessability was available very widely.

If she was in the congregation during Communion, the pastor always came down to her. If she didn't make it in for Communion he always made sure she received Communion in her home at least monthly.

I have always assumed the same would be done for me if necessary.

Do some of you have pastors that do not visit the shut-ins and not take Communion there for them? Seems wierd to me if true. After all what's a pastor for?

I assume that the case is just that some aren't aware of how shut-ins are ministered to.

Marv

When my grandmother was incapacitated and bedridden due to advanced emphasema, her parish priest came to the house, said mass, and gave her communion every Sunday. I know for Catholics, there are ways to get every Catholic who wants it, communion at home, at the hospital, or in the nursing home or hospice - it might not be the parish priest, but a priest, as I think they all take turns. I'm sure there is a way for Lutherans as well, especially if you live in areas with a larger Lutheran population (which I thankfully do), and your pastor can't do it for whatever reason.

[ByzantineDixie]

Fascinating question.

Outside of my surprise at a stereotype that the Lutherans in this thread consistently appear to have concerning the "outside world", I would like to add this. Peace of God what counts. The inner peace.

...

Dear Lutherrunner, when there is inner peace even the Baptists are OK. :)

Thanks,
Ed

Ed...I think what these Lutherans here are speaking about is living the sacramental life of the church. Our life in Christ is not a individual thing nor is it merely intellectual, nor is it merely emotional...it is truly a communion with each other in Christ.

[KEPLER]

Ed...I think what these Lutherans here are speaking about is living the sacramental life of the church. Our life in Christ is not a individual thing nor is it merely intellectual, nor is it merely emotional...it is truly a communion with each other in Christ.

Well said, Dixie. Amen.

[RedneckAnglican]

Yea - pass out after drinking a tad too much brewsky Saturday night, wake up Sunday morning in an AOG church during the "speaking in tongues" part of the service. ^_^

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!.....

I've had some nightmares like that before..;)

[Jim47]

I believe most Lutheran Pastors faithfully take care of their shut ins, but I also know when that day comes for me that I can no longer attend services it will be sad indeed.