Where may I learn more about the methodists?

[graysparrow]

I am specially interested in doctrine and daily church living.

[ClementofRome]

I am specially interested in doctrine and daily church living.

Here is the best place to start, keeping in mind that the UMC can be all over the place in both theology and practice depending on geography and size and locale:

http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=1&mid=519

[graysparrow]

thanks!

[ForeverSaved]

I am interested in learning about methodists too. Why do half of methodists not believe they are eternally saved at new birth? And why do the other half believe that God created people just for hell instead of giving them the choice to come to the cross freely?

[Artos]

Some good books:

1 Colin Williams "John Wesley's Theology" (more concise on Wesleyan teachings)
2 Albert Outler "John Wesley" (a lot of readings from primary sources. Good if you want to hear from the horse's mouth....opps...John Wesley's own writings)

[ForeverSaved]

That doesn't answer the question.

[herev]

I am interested in learning about methodists too. Why do half of methodists not believe they are eternally saved at new birth? And why do the other half believe that God created people just for hell instead of giving them the choice to come to the cross freely?
hmm, not sure how to answer--where did you get this information?

[Artos]

That doesn't answer the question.

I was replying to Grey Sparrow who started this thread...I am not seeking to answer ForeverSaved's question. I dont think the statement that ForeverSaved made is correct re Methodism.

[graysparrow]

Peace :)

[ForeverSaved]

I was replying to Grey Sparrow who started this thread...I am not seeking to answer ForeverSaved's question. I dont think the statement that ForeverSaved made is correct re Methodism.

Do you just self-declare this from your flesh or do you have a reason?

[ForeverSaved]

hmm, not sure how to answer--where did you get this information?

Is it not true Wesley was non-OSAS while the other half of methodists believe in the pride of thinking they were premade for salvation according to calvinism?

[ContraMundum]

Is it not true Wesley was non-OSAS while the other half of methodists believe in the pride of thinking they were premade for salvation according to calvinism?

The whole issue is rooted in the time that Methodism was founded. During that day, the Anglican Church of which Wesley was an ordained minister was divided somewhat on that issue. There were a lot of Calvinists in the clergy, and a few Arminians. However, the Articles of the Church of England were worded in such a way as to allow both to live peacably together.

To give an example of how it was, Wesley's colleague George Whitefield was a Calvinist, and the two worked towards the same evangelical goal but dissagreed on this matter. They were partners in ministry and members of the same society of clergy.

In the end, it could be said that the main view of the Church of England became predominantly Arminian, especially after the Oxford movement in the 19th century (which was "Catholic" in its flavour) but the Articles still hinted of Calvinism.

The Methodists in the US were planted chiefly by Wesley's ministers and thus the Wesleyan/Methodist/Holiness churches there are predominantly Arminian in their view and this has been historically reflected in their Articles of Faith.

Perhaps a Google search on the various churches and their articles of faith would be of some help. Often they are accompanied by some apology of their position with proof-texts and related articles.

[ForeverSaved]

The whole issue is rooted in the time that Methodism was founded. During that day, the Anglican Church of which Wesley was an ordained minister was divided somewhat on that issue. There were a lot of Calvinists in the clergy, and a few Arminians. However, the Articles of the Church of England were worded in such a way as to allow both to live peacably together.

To give an example of how it was, Wesley's colleague George Whitefield was a Calvinist, and the two worked towards the same evangelical goal but dissagreed on this matter. They were partners in ministry and members of the same society of clergy.

In the end, it could be said that the main view of the Church of England became predominantly Arminian, especially after the Oxford movement in the 19th century (which was "Catholic" in its flavour) but the Articles still hinted of Calvinism.

The Methodists in the US were planted chiefly by Wesley's ministers and thus the Wesleyan/Methodist/Holiness churches there are predominantly Arminian in their view and this has been historically reflected in their Articles of Faith.

Perhaps a Google search on the various churches and their articles of faith would be of some help. Often they are accompanied by some apology of their position with proof-texts and related articles.

Do you realize they were both wrong?

[ContraMundum]

Do you realize they were both wrong?

According to some, yes. There's lots of positions around on this topic, not just two. But I don't think this is the place for that discussion, considering neither you nor I have Methodist as our choice of icon and this isn't our forum.

[ForeverSaved]

According to some, yes. There's lots of positions around on this topic, not just two. But I don't think this is the place for that discussion, considering neither you nor I have Methodist as our choice of icon and this isn't our forum.

There is a truth to it. Have you touched that truth? Deliverance is beautiful, for methodists too. Let us say a few words and receive thanks.