True Birth Date of Christ?

[DiscipleOfIAm]

I recently heard in a sermon that the actual birth date of Christ is somewhere around September 23? This wasn't harped on, nor was it the theme of the sermon, it was just casually mentioned? Is this the date scholars believe to be the actual birth date of Christ? Why? I suppose I knew it wasn't December 25. I actually thought I heard somewhere as a kid that the date was closer to Easter.

Any thoughts?

God Bless!

[Flynmonkie]

Yes, I too have heard this. I also heard the explanation; it had something to do with the surrounding description and the timeframe those things would have happened. But you might google it.

[MrJim]

I've also heard the September timeframe. Don't know much more about it.

[Dmckay]

More than likely they are taking the date from the date of the Feast of Tabernacles at the time the message was prepared. John read in Greek, "and the Word became flesh and Tabernacled among us." since the Feast of Tabernacles celebrates and calls to remembrance G-d Tabernacling among His people during the Wilderness wandering What better time for the Birth of Christ? It normally falls in October most often.

[blessedmomof5]

that is a question that has been having me curious for yrs, now i believe with all my heart it was not dec 25th.... mostly i have heard sept.... and once i even heard sept 11th.... chills....but of course i would need some sort of proof.... then we get to the three wise men.... they in no way could have traveled that far in such short of a time as some claim......:scratch:

[daveleau]

Hey. Sept 23 is a good day. Very good day. ;) (My b-day.) :)

Interesting. I'd be interested to see the scholarship that went into that or any other date. I do know the history behind the 25 Dec date, but think celebrating it here is just fine regardless.

[Flynmonkie]

Hey. Sept 23 is a good day. Very good day. ;) (My b-day.) :)

Interesting. I'd be interested to see the scholarship that went into that or any other date. I do know the history behind the 25 Dec date, but think celebrating it here is just fine regardless.
My sons too! :thumbsup:

I will look it up.. it was very interesting. I didn't spend too much time on it- not important to my studies at the time.

[Gentileone]

Hello All

Hope you dont me posting in here,

I do hope this will shed some light on your Questions!

http://revival.org/sermon.jsp?id=788
http://revival.org/sermon.jsp?id=789

You will need read both, both sermons are in very depth and explains alot about the times of Succot.

If you dont want to read the sermons then Google Tammuz you find how far from the 25th Dec came about

Praise our Lord.
Gentileone

[Flynmonkie]

I knew it had something to do with the specifics of the time, description of what people were doing etc.. it seemed to "date" the time it took place. I also remember there are variations from September through October 4th. I believe Christmas was a Pagan Holiday. I have always thought it to be ironic how we can turn something "Pagan" into glorification for God. Here are some other links.

http://www.new-life.net/chrtms10.htm (easy read)

http://www.revneal.org/Writings/jesusbirth.htm (This link offers others but dates it at September 29th)

http://www.thetribulationforce.com/when_was_jesus_born.htm (Messanic Viewpoint?)

[Dmckay]

that is a question that has been having me curious for yrs, now i believe with all my heart it was not dec 25th.... mostly i have heard sept.... and once i even heard sept 11th.... chills....but of course i would need some sort of proof.... then we get to the three wise men.... they in no way could have traveled that far in such short of a time as some claim......:scratch:
A short time? By the time they showed up and inquired about the birth, Herod had children under two years of age killed, and Jesus was living in a house with His parents.

[blessedmomof5]

dmckay,
thats what i am saying, with certain faiths, they have a belief that the 3 wise men arrived in jan? that would surley be immpossible....and while i am at it, were there 3? there 3? could there have been more? we do know that there were 3 gifts but never anymention of "3" wisemen.. we asume they were 3 becuae they came with 3 gifts..... just a thought to ponder unless someone have scripture i have missed.....

[Rut]

The Bible don`t say the exacly day when Jesus was born but what the links show that have something to do with witch priesthood was in the tempel when Elisabeth was pregnant.

In December it`s to cold for shepheard to be outside in the nights too.

The Bible is always very exactly (I think) with dates and we know that Jesus was killed when he was 33,5 years old.

[Dmckay]

dmckay,
thats what i am saying, with certain faiths, they have a belief that the 3 wise men arrived in jan? that would surley be immpossible....and while i am at it, were there 3? there 3? could there have been more? we do know that there were 3 gifts but never anymention of "3" wisemen.. we asume they were 3 becuae they came with 3 gifts..... just a thought to ponder unless someone have scripture i have missed.....
You're correct, it is tradition, based on the three gifts that people assume that there were three wise men. The there is, however,in extra Biblical literature, accounts which give the names of three wisemen who supposedly are the one mentioned in the Gospels.

Did you know that the Magi (or wisemen) were from the same group of advisors that at one time had included Daniel and his three friends. It wasn't astrology that brought them to look for the Messiah, but rather the time table, given to Daniel, which indicated when the Messiah would come.

[blessedmomof5]

Dmckay,

please correct me if i am wrong, bc i know not that much, but did not the Magi see an angel and were told about the birth , which then they followed the star in the sky or am i now confusng 2 diffrent stories.... bu that was very intersting information you gave thank you!:) so wait thet have names?
Denise

[ZiSunka]

Some scholars believe it was in the spring of the year when sheep are being grazed in fields far from home and need to be watched by night to protect them from predators. Supposedly, sheep are grazed close to home in the winter so they can be put into sheds in bad weather and fed and watered indoors.

[mesue]

Dmckay,

please correct me if i am wrong, bc i know not that much, but did not the Magi see an angel and were told about the birth , which then they followed the star in the sky or am i now confusng 2 diffrent stories.... bu that was very intersting information you gave thank you!:) so wait thet have names?
Denise
The wise men we astrologers.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Matthew 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
Matthew 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

and they followed the star

Matthew 2:9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
Matthew 2:10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
Matthew 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.



I wish I had seen this thread earlier :)

[DawnLuvsTrolls]

I recently heard he was born around May 23rd, to add more fun to this conversation. ;)

[DeaconDean]

Funny this is brought up. I have some old, I mean old charts (1900"s era) which show what you are searching for. Around the early 1900's researchers sought out the same answer for the same question, here is what my information shows: Jesus was bron somewhere during the third week in the month of Nissan around 4 BC. Another point in which these researchers found was that Jesus was crucified sometime during the third week of Nissan in or around 28-33 AD. Now whether it is true or not is another point, but is kind of interesting.