Primitive Baptist?

[Dust and Ashes]

Hi, I'm looking for a bit of information. My paternal grandfather was a Primitive Baptist pastor and I know he believed in predestination but I'm not sure what else. This was in the rural South during the early-mid 20th century in case that makes a difference.

I was saved in a Missionary Baptist Church in 1992 and attended for several years so I am familiar with MB doctrines but have never attended a Primitive Baptist Church.

What do Primitive Baptists believe and how do they differ from Missionary Baptists? Thanks!

[HumbleMan]

Don't know much about PB's, although I've heard the term around some other forums.

Here's what Wiki says

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_Baptists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_Baptists)





Primitive Baptists are a group of Baptists that have an historical connection to the missionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionary) / anti-missionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit_Predestinarian_Baptists) controversy that divided Baptists of America in the early part of the 19th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_century). Those currently denominated Primitive Baptists consist of descendants of churches and ministers that opposed the Baptist Board of Foreign Missions (organized in 1814 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1814)), as well as other innovations such as seminaries and temperance societies. Early leaders include Joshua Lawrence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Lawrence), John Leland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Leland), Daniel Parker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Parker), and John Taylor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor_%281752-1833%29). Other names by which Primitive Baptists are known are Predestinarian Baptists, Old School Baptists, Regular Baptists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_Baptist), Particular Baptists and Hardshells. The word "Primitive" is sometimes taken by outsiders to mean "backward", but in context of this division among Baptists, it means "original". These churches attempt to retain and/or restore primitive (or original) patterns of the church, such as unsalaried ministers, a cappella (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_cappella) singing and feet washing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feet_washing).

The Primitive Baptists can be sub-divided into four main groups: (1) Absolute Predestinarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestinarian); (2) Limited Predestinarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Limited_Predestinarian&action=edit); (3) Progressive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive); and (4) Universalists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalist). This last group is the smallest and consists of 5 or 6 small associations in Appalachia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia) that adapted the theory of universal atonement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_atonement) to the doctrines of Primitive Baptists.

The Limited Predestinarians (also called Old Line, Conditionalists, etc.) are the largest group with around 50,000 members in about 1500 churches. While opposing the aforementioned "mission boards", this group is still very evangelistic, having constituted churches is such countries as the Philippines, India, and Africa.

The Absolute Predestinarians are similar to the Limited Predestinarians, but hold to the absolute predestination of all things. They number about 350 churches.

The Progressive Primitive Baptists separated from the main body around the turn of the 20th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_century), and have adopted such practices as Sunday School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_School), instrumental music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_music), homes for the aged (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homes_for_the_aged&action=edit), and various auxiliaries to the church. They have about 8000 members in over 100 churches.

In addition to these predominantly white Primitive Baptist groups, there are at least two types of Colored Primitive Baptists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colored_Primitive_Baptists) - Old School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_School) & National Primitive Baptist Convention of the U.S.A. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Primitive_Baptist_Convention_of_the_U.S.A.). The Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit_Predestinarian_Baptists) and Old Regular Baptists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Regular_Baptist) departed from the Primitive Baptists in the latter part of the 19th century.

The division of "Primitive Baptists" and "Missionary Baptists" cannot be recognized as occurring at one particular time. The Baptists of the early 19th century were separated by distance and lack of communication. In addition to this, each congregation was independent and autonomous. Though some confusion still existed as late as the 1840s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1840s), the declaration now known as the Black Rock Address clearly defined the issues and marked the separation of the two different philosophies. Representatives convened at Black Rock, Maryland (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_Rock%2C_Maryland&action=edit) on September 28 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_28), 1832 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1832) and set forth the "Primitive" position on tract societies (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tract_society&action=edit), Sunday schools (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_school), Bible societies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Society), missions, theological schools, and protracted meetings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revival_meeting) (revivals).

[Dust and Ashes]

Thank you! :thumbsup:

[Jim47]

Heres what The Bible says :preach:


Ro 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified